Examples of possible famous/celebrity SEEs-ESFps

[liveandletlive]

how come very unlikely?

[Expat]

It's very hard to see her as dominant.

[liveandletlive]

really? look how she died tho and all the men she had, and "diamonds are a girl's best friend"

[implied]

lohan could be ESFj.
elvis - i tend to think of him as ESFp, yesss.

around these parts people seem to see monroe as INFj or INFp. she was very charming, though.

i like this quote by her. "it's far better to be unhappy alone than unhappy with someone — so far." also "dogs never bite me. just humans." maybe sig-line worthy.

[Expat]

really? look how she died tho and all the men she had, and "diamonds are a girl's best friend"

A song is hardly evidence of anyone's type.

As for the others, they might be an indication of as quadra, not of dominance.

I mean, compare her to Madonna, especially in interviews (there are videos). Madonna's a Se type, Monroe wasn't imo.

[1981slater]

Diego Armando Maradona: he's a God in Argentina, a druggie in Cuba and a football (soccer) player in the rest of the world



The Englishmen see him as the embodiment of evil, whereas he called that "the hand of God"








More ESFps:

Ronaldinho, Brazilian soccer player



Roberto Carlos, Brazilian soccer player

[tereg]

Drew Rosenhaus, sports agent

[Jarno]

I want hone my Vi Skills I have already gone the the VI section and test you VI skills at socionics.com.

are you a male or female?

[Marie84]

There's a Famous SEE thread here, though of course like everything here not everyone agrees with everyone on who is actually (in this case) an SEE

[Jarno]

oke for esfp females focus on these things:

I've added the odds in brackets, the number is how often you see it among ESFP women. Just an estimate to give you an idea.

lowered mouth corners (50%)
big hook nose (80%)
often very something bling bling, large silver earrings, bling watch, bling necklace. (50%)
They can dress extravagant or popular (60%)

If you are looking at a dating site, try to look for typical words and phrases:
romantic, honesty, happy, appreciating the little things in life.

The professions they have (which are also sometimes noted on dating sites)
Child care (40%)
Hairdresser (10%)
Massage or fysiotherapy (10%)

Happy hunting!

[Jarno]

Good Grief it works lol

not always, but you will have higher probabilities of finding one.

You'll see what I mean precisely, when you've encountered some ESFP women. Then you know how to interpret what is meant with a hook nose and lowered mouth corners etc.

I can find on average 1 certain SEE when I go out. Ofcourse I encounter more, but they aren't stereotypical enough, or I just haven't met all subtypes there are of them so don't know what to look for.

Though I'm not really looking for them anymore, all this knowledge is left over from my dual hunting days :-)

[krieger]

The guy in your avatar (Family Guy's Peter) is a candidate ESFp, imo (although also called ENTp a lot).

[krieger]

ISTp without a doubt.

[Jarno]

Do you think any of the two I found were SEE's ?

The bling girl probably not, though she has the right amount of bling indeed :-d

The asian girl is a potential candidate to be SEE. Especially the things she wrote in 'about me' section. I like to have fun and have new experiences is a typical phrase for SEE.

She could be about 3 or 4 types of which one is SEE, so let's say 25% to 33% possible that she is SEE. That's above average, since if you date randomly, you only encounter 7% SEE.

This way you narrow things down.

Usually when talking on MSN or something you get a feel for which type she could be. Once you start recognizing the pattern.

[Jarno]

Have we forgotten about posting celebrity SEE's ?
Come on get crackin'

I only know some males.

Elvis Presley
Mohammed Ali
Sylvester Stallone

[Jarno]

What about Mika Tan.

could be. I'm not good at typing asians, but she has most traits of an SEE.

[Beautiful sky]

There's a Famous SEE thread here, though of course like everything here not everyone agrees with everyone on who is actually (in this case) an SEE

Do you know that You Tereg and Minde like to guide people to threads?
You guys make great guides...
That's not one of my behaviors as an EII.

[Beautiful sky]

Which are ?

SEE-Actresses

Mariah Carey, Jennifer
Lopez, Michele Pfeiffer,
Lisa Kudrow, Madonna,
Liza Minnelli, Meg
Ryan, Shakira, Sharon
Stone, Shania Twain,
Renee Zellweger, Nicole
Kidman, Faith Hill,
Kate Winslet, Maria
Sharapova, Paula Abdul,
Amy Adams, Joey
Lauren, Christina
Aguilera, Pamela
Anderson, Jennifer
Aniston, Diora Baird,
Kate Beckinsale, Mariah
Carey, Cameron Diaz,
Janice Dickenson,
Gwyneth Paltrow, Cher,
Leslie Mann, Ellen
Barkin

SEE-Actors

Brad Pitt, Elvis Presley,
Denzel Washington, Val
Kilmer, Tom Hanks,
Anthony Hopkins, Ben
Affleck, Jack Black,
Dean Cane, Jim Carrey,
Billy Crystal, Brendan
Fraser, Danny DeVito,
Kevin Spacey, Laurence
Fishburne, Frank
Sinatra, Woody
Harrelson, Ed Harris,
John Lequizamo, Philip
Seymour, Jon Voight,
Billy Crystal, James
Gandolfini, Jared Leto,
Sidney Poitier, Rob
Schneider, Christopher
Walken, Barry Watson

[Jarno]

SEE-Actresses

Madonna

madonna is estp

[Jarno]

Which are ?

popular
bling
challenging
openly sexual jokes (but hey she's a pornstar)
extravagant clothing
energetic

Though I must say, she could be another type, but SEE is a good contender. Whether or not she is SEE, she looks like one in her dressing and behaviour.

[jewels]

ISTp without a doubt.

I always thought Brian the dog was an ISTp! He's always been my favorite and the most reasonable seeming.

[krieger]

omg, she did not just type Christopher Walken as ESFp.......

you're a lunatic typing randomly.

Well said. I do wish you would apply some of this wisdom to yourself sometime.

[Quote Unquote]

Maritsa, why don't you worry more about spreading that virus?

[717495]

The guy in your avatar (Family Guy's Peter) is a candidate ESFp, imo (although also called ENTp a lot).

Definitely. Ti-PoLR is one of his obvious traits.

edit: Something noteworthy is his strong Se value shown in his humor, something I relate to doing from time to time (in the same sense that I get around to Se from time to time) and value and value those who understand, which to put if briefly, is finding humor in appearances. An Se valuer is more likely to laugh at something that sounds funny even if its not funny, like someone's name, for instance. It's a much more appearances--->imagination, Se---->Ni, built technique. A lot of Ne/Si types I find are a lot more serious in this regard, in that they typically don't attribute any thought to the surface appearance (Se) and what the surface appearance stands for underneath (Ni), but rather aim for the more guessing because clueless, open to various interpretations and possibilities, partly because they don't have introverted judgment paired with the sensory function, and partly because of the nature of Se valuing. A humor in simple appearance somewhat akin to something an idiot-savant type of humorist might appreciate, which has immature qualities, is less appealing to judicious types, from what I have seen. There are some self-typed Alphas in this community that come across much more like Beta (LSI) partly for this reason, and lack what Ne actually is.

[Galen]

May as well contribute.

Marko Saaresto: Se sub?


Kylie Minogue: Fi sub


Amy Yasbeck: Fi sub


Guy Fieri?: Fi sub?

[Galen]

It seems you tend to see everything the reverse than it is. Anyone told you this before?

You'd be the first, hot stuff~

[Galen]

Sure. Why does that sound so... improbable?

I couldn't say!

[krieger]

Another fictional ESFp, Henry VIII from The Tudors:

[Marie84]

Another fictional ESFp, Henry VIII from The Tudors:

YouTube - The Tudors: Season 2 Trailer

possibly, I think he's written to be slightly more of a sympathetic character in the show than the real Henry VIII whom I'm inclined to see as SLE

[krieger]

possibly, I think he's written to be slightly more of a sympathetic character in the show than the real Henry VIII whom I'm inclined to see as SLE

He repeatedly makes decisions that put his entire kingdom in peril just to satisfy some emotional urge of his. It's textbook Ti PoLR.

4. Less nagging and more living! His life may be poisoned by the demands of those close to him to think his actions through, to act “rationally”. This is too much for him to withstand, such demands only make him want to act more irrationally, and brush reason aside altogether to spite everyone. In fact, he acts cleverly and logically until someone starts to demand of him to do so, i.e. as long as he is “respected” and “reckoned with”. It is useless to dispute his logic: one can influence him only by challenging him to set aside his goals in favor of other ones, more noble and harder attainable.

My personal experience is also that ESTps are more controlled and calm than he is. They aren't as much of an unguided projectile as him.

3. A fine tactician. He quickly grasps the current situation and distribution of power, makes a decision and acts. He is capable of political maneuvering but never forgets his line. He possesses powerful logic function, but this kind of logic is determined and thus biased, its purpose isn’t philosophical speculations but the creative search for the shortcut to finding a solution. It is easier for him to concede his logic than his goal.

Contrast the vibes of those two statements... Henry is on the side of the former imo.

[krieger]

I also disagree that "sympathetic" necessarily describes ESFp better than ESTp. ESTps may not focus on relationships and social issues as much as ESFps, but when they do, the prefer to do it in the more dishonest but "nicer" way of Fe. An ESFp who has an emotional score to settle with someone, on the other hand, will drop all niceties and cut right to the chase, making no concessions to their opinion on the social issue in question.

ESTps are apt to speak in "covertly" hostile terms along the lines of "here's an offer you can't refuse", and the like.

[Marie84]

He repeatedly makes decisions that put his entire kingdom in peril just to satisfy some emotional urge of his. It's textbook Ti PoLR.

Basing things on your own self-interest doesn't equate to emotions, or logic, necessarily. In Henry's case, he tended to overlook the humanity in his decisions, ruling by laws instead of human interest, which I saw Jane Seymour (IEI maybe) as the one to warn him of the consequences of not keeping the interests of his people in mind when making decisions. In that way, she dealt with the Fi issues, filtered through her Ni

My personal experience is also that ESTps are more controlled and calm than he is. They aren't as much of an unguided projectile as him.

I have to disagree. I have not experienced SLE's to be calm and composed when dealing with opposition, in which they can quickly go into defense mode to defeat their, believed, opponent. Not that I don't believe SEE's and other Se's are much different in this regard, it's just usually SLE's are less likely to care of the affect it has on the individual (PoLR Fi)

idk if he was really misguided as much as he was spoiled and self-centered, wanting whatever he liked regardless of of what it cost.
But than again, this was the cost of fostering absolutist monarchy; building someone-up with that kind of ego and than handing them that kind of power...that's not a safe combination...

A fine tactician. He quickly grasps the current situation and distribution of power, makes a decision and acts. He is capable of political maneuvering but never forgets his line. He possesses powerful logic function, but this kind of logic is determined and thus biased, its purpose isn’t philosophical speculations but the creative search for the shortcut to finding a solution. It is easier for him to concede his logic than his goal.

Contrast the vibes of those two statements... Henry is on the side of the former imo.

I don't see that being out of character with Henry, though. He was a great tactician, he knew how to run and defend a country, actualize strategy and to ignore individual plights over the greater cause (i.e. Pilgrimage of Grace).
The general complaints about Henry's rule are more directed at his lack of humanity and his cruelty with how he dealt with those whom he saw as getting in the way of his greater goals

[xerx]

Michael, the boss from the office is an ethical extrovert from an Se valuing quadra. He might be SEE or EIE, depending on how you want to interpret his actions. If he acts that way to attract attention to himself and his emotions, then I'd say EIE. If he just "does" it, then SEE.

I recall that he got promoted to boss due to being an excellent salesman, because he was able to relate very well with his customers and to use his friendliness to his advantage.

Jim and Pam are a pretty good example of ILE - SEI duality. Dwight is ILI and Janet is ESI. IMO.

[krieger]

I have not experienced SLE's to be calm and composed when dealing with opposition

If that's the case, then you're missing something important about them, imo. ESTps have an unmistakable calm about them, almost as a rule. Look at the following examples, Rutger Hauer and Clancy Brown. Both are naturally calm and inert, even though they equally well capable of springing to action when the situation calls for it. It's what defines the ESTp; the ability to jump to action from an initial state of calmness:





Even when manifesting their anger they maintain calmness and control:


Calm and "fake" sympathetic:

Michael, the boss from the office is an ethical extrovert from an Se valuing quadra. He might be SEE or EIE, depending on how you want to interpret his actions. If he acts that way to attract attention to himself and his emotions, then I'd say EIE. If he just "does" it, then SEE.

His overwhelmingly stereotypical P behavior is really impossible to overlook, imo. ESFp is not the worst suggestion. I just find it much easier to interpret his behavior as quirky originality with a high experimentation factor than as effective, impactful action.

Jim and Pam are a pretty good example of ILE - SEI duality.

Pam is ISFp, yes (maybe, maybe ISTp though). About Jim, it's tempting to say they are duals but other than that I see few real reasons to call him ENTp. His personality is rather efface as a whole, which makes him difficult to type. Maybe some Delta irrational.

[redbaron]

Nicole Kidman is not SEE.

and David Lee Roth is SEE.

and I agree with labcoat on the calm thing w/SLEs.

[Nexus]

Sylvester Stallone

I think Stallone is LIE

[thePirate]

I think Stallone is LIE

no one gives a damn what you think you pompous asshole

[Nexus]

no one gives a damn what you think you pompous asshole

ur such a troll; I'm glad that you finally discovered your quadra and it isn't mine, fairy

[Exodus]

Gene Simmons

[jouziou]

[quote=labcoat;649400]

I have not experienced SLE's to be calm and composed when dealing with opposition

If that's the case, then you're missing something important about them, imo. ESTps have an unmistakable calm about them, almost as a rule. Look at the following examples, Rutger Hauer and Clancy Brown. Both are naturally calm and inert, even though they equally well capable of springing to action when the situation calls for it. It's what defines the ESTp; the ability to jump to action from an initial state of calmness:





Even when manifesting their anger they maintain calmness and control:


Calm and "fake" sympathetic:
QUOTE]

i agree almost with everything you said about SLE's and rutger hauer typing as SLE, but clancy brown is possibly EIE