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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    What doesn't sound Te-ego here is this "just trust me" which is very characteristic of Dio, that is, an unwillingness/inability to explain his conclusions.
    have you used this argument regarding other Te-ego claimants?
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    Who else claims to be a Te ego type and has a "just trust me" mentality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    have you used this argument regarding other Te-ego claimants?
    I don't recall. Do you mean someone in particular?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Who else claims to be a Te ego type and has a "just trust me" mentality?
    You.

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    I don't recall. Do you mean someone in particular?
    Joy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Who else claims to be a Te ego type and has a "just trust me" mentality?
    You.

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    I don't recall. Do you mean someone in particular?
    Joy.
    Quote me. When do I ever have a "just trust me" mentality? The only time I ever say or mean anything like that is when I'm warning someone about danger. If it's something I feel very strongly about, I'll say that... or anything else I need to... to get that person's attention. I only do that if it's important or urgent though.
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    Expat wrote: "What doesn't sound Te-ego here is this "just trust me" which is very characteristic of Dio, that is, an unwillingness/inability to explain his conclusions. "

    unwillingness/inability to explain his/her conclusions: i was thinking about Joy

    "just trust me" attitude: I was thinking about Phaedrus who seems to have this "i've spent hours studying this stuff, trust me" attitude



    For some reason i feel compelled to say more...to describe SOMEthing...but i don't know what that something is....
    Until I figure it out, I won't pursue this

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    unwillingness is the word... again though, "conclusions" is not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Who else claims to be a Te ego type and has a "just trust me" mentality?
    You.

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    I don't recall. Do you mean someone in particular?
    Joy.
    Quote me. When do I ever have a "just trust me" mentality? The only time I ever say or mean anything like that is when I'm warning someone about danger. If it's something I feel very strongly about, I'll say that... or anything else I need to... to get that person's attention. I only do that if it's important or urgent though.
    Bullshit. You're always unwilling to explain your position and say "people that get me will get me, otherwise who cares". That is equivalent to the just trust me mentality. Any denial from your side would be just laughable.
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    LMAO

    How the hell does "I don't say what I mean" equate to "just trust me"?

    And seriously... I want you to quote me... quote anything I've said anywhere that could possibly imply that I want others to agree with me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    LMAO

    How the hell does "I don't say what I mean" equate to "just trust me"?

    And seriously... I want you to quote me... quote anything I've said anywhere that could possibly imply that I want others to agree with me?
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    I'm sorry. You're incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I'm sorry. You're incorrect.
    and again
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    I'm sorry. You're incorrect.
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    you asked for us to quote anything you've said anywhere that could possibly imply that you want others to agree with you

    the two posts i quoted imply that you want us to agree with you that you don't write anything that implies that you want others to agree with you
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    I'm sorry. You're incorrect.

    lol, seriously though... I did anticipate that someone would post a quote of something I've said with the assumption that I want people to agree with what I'm saying. This however is simply not true.
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    "getting it" and agreeing are two different things. if you can't get it, it's probably your fault.


    this sounds hostile but its not.
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    actually... it's honestly not their fault... they only reason you get so much of what I post is because you know me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I'm sorry. You're incorrect.

    lol, seriously though... I did anticipate that someone would post a quote of something I've said with the assumption that I want people to agree with what I'm saying. This however is simply not true.
    you asked for something with an implication
    i gave it to you


    I know of two reasons why humans attempt to communicate:
    * self expression
    * or to somehow alter another person's thinking (even if temporarily)

    you attempt to suggest here that you're purpose is not to alter anyone's thinking, so that leaves self-expression


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    more than twice the amount of posts our owner has?
    and this doens't even include all the posts that got deleted!!!
    that's an awful LOT of self-expression without intent to communicate going on
    some might call this "mental masturbation"....or perhaps even "self expression masturbation"

    most people are on this forum to communicate information
    not to self express all over everyone else

    even phaedrus attempts to communicate information to others

    if you want nothing more than to self-express...go write poems or a journal,
    i'm sure many of us are tired of being unwilling parts of your "interactive diary"
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I'm sorry. You're incorrect.

    lol, seriously though... I did anticipate that someone would post a quote of something I've said with the assumption that I want people to agree with what I'm saying. This however is simply not true.
    you asked for something with an implication
    i gave it to you


    I know of two reasons why humans attempt to communicate:
    * self expression
    * or to somehow alter another person's thinking (even if temporarily)

    you attempt to suggest here that you're purpose is not to alter anyone's thinking, so that leaves self-expression


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    more than twice the amount of posts our owner has?
    and this doens't even include all the posts that got deleted!!!
    that's an awful LOT of self-expression without intent to communicate going on
    some might call this "mental masturbation"....or perhaps even "self expression masturbation"

    most people are on this forum to communicate information
    not to self express all over everyone else

    even phaedrus attempts to communicate information to others

    if you want nothing more than to self-express...go write poems or a journal,
    i'm sure many of us are tired of being unwilling parts of your "interactive diary"
    *claps his hands*
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    I never believed that being difficult would make me popular. *shrugs*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I never believed that being difficult would make me popular. *shrugs*
    being popular is perhaps different than being well known
    just because a person inserts themselves all over the place (*looks positively innocent*),
    posts the largest percentage of the forum,
    and turns at least half the threads into discussing themselves ((i hope i'm only at 1/4))
    doesn't necessarily mean that they are popular
    and what that has anything to do with the above posts i dunno



    anyways, Dio, sorry for the hijack

    Expat could you separate this into two threads? perhaps starting with my quoting you about the Te-ego thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I never believed that being difficult would make me popular. *shrugs*
    Popular is perhaps not the right word. I would say "notorious" or perhaps "famous". You are popular only among selected group of individuals but more notorious/famous than any other member of the board.

    Examples of popular people are e.g. msk (who is not very notorious).

    About the agreeing thing...I guess NTs and Gamma victims especially don't want people to agree with them (that's sheepish) instead they want people to independently come to same conclusions as they have (lol).

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I never believed that being difficult would make me popular. *shrugs*
    being popular is perhaps different than being well known
    just because a person inserts themselves all over the place (*looks positively innocent*),
    posts the largest percentage of the forum,
    and turns at least half the threads into discussing themselves ((i hope i'm only at 1/4))
    doesn't necessarily mean that they are popular
    and what that has anything to do with the above posts i dunno
    Can't disagree. Umm, however, many people share their experiences on this forum and discuss about themselves/ourselves. Don't we?
    I just don't get that line.
    Not a hostile question by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mea
    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I never believed that being difficult would make me popular. *shrugs*
    being popular is perhaps different than being well known
    just because a person inserts themselves all over the place (*looks positively innocent*),
    posts the largest percentage of the forum,
    and turns at least half the threads into discussing themselves ((i hope i'm only at 1/4))
    doesn't necessarily mean that they are popular
    and what that has anything to do with the above posts i dunno
    Can't disagree. Umm, however, many people share their experiences on this forum and discuss about themselves/ourselves. Don't we?
    I just don't get that line.
    Not a hostile question by the way.
    if i'm reading a thread and have an experience that relates to the discussion, i'll offer up that experience in case it helps clear up something in the discussion or in case it offers new insight or new alternatives, etc.
    I could be wrong, but this kind of thing doesn't offend more than maybe a handful of people

    but that is different than when someone reads a discussion and responds as if that discussion or that comment or that question was actually all about them in the first place, and then use that as an excuse to turn the topic towards talking about themselves.

    i do the first alot
    i also admit to most likely having done something along the lines of the second one, also
    i also admit to not yet learning to quote something and respond to it in a new thread instead of allowing/initiating a thread hijack
    but i believe that there is a difference in styles between the times I'm offering more information, and the times when I'm hijacking a thread

    the part you bolded is in reference to the second type
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    ugh

    I was saying that I'm NOT popular as a result of this behavior. I've got people saying I should leave the forum for crying out loud. I don't know how anyone could mistake that for popularity.

    btw, ann... do I explain things to you in our IM conversations? If someone wants me to explain something because they genuinely want to understand me or my idea, they'd be much better off PMing or IMing me. I've had private conversations with a lot of people... I'd like to know if there's anyone who believes that I do not explain my reasoning when they are talking to me one on one.
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    anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    What doesn't sound Te-ego here is this "just trust me" which is very characteristic of Dio, that is, an unwillingness/inability to explain his conclusions.
    have you used this argument regarding other Te-ego claimants?
    That could also be a learned behaviour, which I think is the case with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    What doesn't sound Te-ego here is this "just trust me" which is very characteristic of Dio, that is, an unwillingness/inability to explain his conclusions.
    have you used this argument regarding other Te-ego claimants?
    That could also be a learned behaviour, which I think is the case with me.
    Well, it could be. But I can't know that. Disagreeing with anndelise and FDG, I think Joy puts a lot more effort into elaborating and explaining her views than Dio does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    What doesn't sound Te-ego here is this "just trust me" which is very characteristic of Dio, that is, an unwillingness/inability to explain his conclusions.
    have you used this argument regarding other Te-ego claimants?
    That could also be a learned behaviour, which I think is the case with me.
    Well, it could be. But I can't know that. Disagreeing with anndelise and FDG, I think Joy puts a lot more effort into elaborating and explaining her views than Dio does.

    i agree wholeheartedly!
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