Examples of Deltas

[jessica129]

I smile widely. Rachel Ray wouldn't be so bad if she'd chill the hell out.

[Suz]

I smile widely. Rachel Ray wouldn't be so bad if she'd chill the hell out.

I smile widely too. Not in the Rachel Ray way though.

OK i take back my statement about wide smiles. Everyone can smile widely but in different ways and for different reasons.

[Mattie]

I smile widely. Rachel Ray wouldn't be so bad if she'd chill the hell out.

Agreed. I say ship her to Alpha

[Suz]

There's no way Rachel Ray is ESE. More likely SLE.

Yeah, I could see SLE for her, true. . .

[Galen]

Rachel Ray looks and acts a lot like my neighbor back at home who I guess could be ESTp (Ep + Fe). Funny how female Beta STs can come across as super Fe.

[Suz]

Rachel Ray looks and acts a lot like my neighbor back at home who I guess could be ESTp (Ep + Fe). Funny how female Beta STs can come across as super Fe.

It must be the Fe-HA shining through.

[cwsparklingdazzy]

ENFp's don't value Fe. They love to laugh and are forthcoming with emotions, yes, but only when it serves Fi. Fi is ENFp's creative function. So Fe in service to the creative Fi may make ENFp more intermittent/reserved with their expressiveness than INFj even, I think. Wide smile tends to suggest Fe to me.

After further study, Introverted sensing is demonstrated in most of the pic I posted. Maybe that what I was "sensing" .
America ferrera, hilary swank, neve campbell might just be INFj. Being all these are pictures. They are in the way interacting with the cameraman. If introverted sensing was indeed what I was looking at then that would be their activation function.

SLE seems like the best choice for Rachel Ray. In the picture I posted she seems to be intiating interaction with the cameraman. I guessing that would make her suggestive function extraverted thinking. She is clearly in her head.

Oprah could just be ISFp. In the last pic of her, she is interacting with the cameraman but it seems more focus as if she is calculating her smile. This seems more demonstrative of introverted thinking. She thinking but still able to maintain smile unlike Rachel Ray. While in the last pic of Neve campbell she is more out of control or loose with her smile.
Thanks WorkaholicsAnon

[cwsparklingdazzy]

I smile widely. Rachel Ray wouldn't be so bad if she'd chill the hell out.

I agree she annoy me a bit. She is a bit forceful with her exuberance.

A lot of people, smile widely. To me, a wide smile uninhibited and from within. It like you gather everything from within your soul and shine it like a beacon. Outside influence can't bring that about as well. So a wide smile to me is indictative of Si. However, there are different ways that a person does so. I guess it depends on the person's other mannerisms while using this smile to really type a person.

[Suz]

After further study, Introverted sensing is demonstrated in most of the pic I posted. Maybe that what I was "sensing" .
America ferrera, hilary swank, neve campbell might just be INFj. Being all these are pictures. They are in the way interacting with the cameraman. If introverted sensing was indeed what I was looking at then that would be their activation function.

SLE seems like the best choice for Rachel Ray. In the picture I posted she seems to be intiating interaction with the cameraman. I guessing that would make her suggestive function extraverted thinking. She is clearly in her head.

Oprah could just be ISFp. In the last pic of her, she is interacting with the cameraman but it seems more focus as if she is calculating her smile. This seems more demonstrative of introverted thinking. She thinking but still able to maintain smile unlike Rachel Ray. While in the last pic of Neve campbell she is more out of control or loose with her smile.
Thanks WorkaholicsAnon

I agree she annoy me a bit. She is a bit forceful with her exuberance.

A lot of people, smile widely. To me, a wide smile uninhibited and from within. It like you gather everything from within your soul and shine it like a beacon. Outside influence can't bring that about as well. So a wide smile to me is indictative of Si. However, there are different ways that a person does so. I guess it depends on the person's other mannerisms while using this smile to really type a person.

I think you're on the right track, but Si in and of itself isn't what gives a wide smile. For example, an SLI might be relishing in the experience of pleasant sensations (which would fall under Si), but not necessarily convey that pleasure in a wide smile. SLI's with Fe-POLR can smile widely but it will usually not correspond too well with much of anything. If anything it's connected more to their experiencing Fi (SLIs please correct me if i'm wrong).

Also, ENFp's (IEE) have weak, handicapped Si (it's our dual-seeking function). But we value Si talents in others and need someone to take care of it for us. So if you're considering yourself to demonstrate Si, you're not ENFp (or INFj for that matter).

The other important point I want to make is, interacting with the cameraman is NOT indicative of sensing vs intuition. It's indicative of extroversion vs introversion. Excellent, perceptive observation though! that means you can easily spot extroverts vs introverts (something i'm not that good at).

For example, a characteristic SLI "look" is this (SMOKIN' HOT) lost-in-oneself bedroom eyes gaze (Jessica, you had it too on a picture in the old picture thread ). THAT is a glimpse of Si. And when they demonstrate it, they do not look like they are interacting with any cameraman and they dont usually have the wide smile at that time (ISFp's though may I think).


cwsparklingdazzy, I think you may be thinking MBTI terms. Socionics is WAY different. Same letters, but the approach and definitions are WAY WAY different, and there is no such thing as a way to convert MBTI type to socionics type. For example, I always test INFJ in MBTI, and spend my first 6 months in the world of socionics thinking I was INFp based on an erroneous concept of converting introverted MBTI types to socionics by switching the J to a p. Back then, I also thought in terms of the MBTI concept of introversion--being an introverted person in that sense made me not even consider any of the extravert sociotypes, until someone here explained socionically defined extraversion vs introversion. Socionics still worked and despite me trying to fit into the beta quadra, most of them didn't like me, the SLEs (INFp's dual) were like "wth, she doesn't feel like my dual!!" and the more I found out about the people in beta, the more confused I got because I felt like I behaved differently and had very little in common with them.

However, your verbalizing your thoughts is great so that we can explain the differences and the flaws in your understanding.

[UDP]

So a wide smile to me is indictative of Si.

I'd caution you against that. I don't always have wide smiles, and Si dominant SLIs may not either.

[cwsparklingdazzy]

Your right. I don't think Si will always be indicative of a wide smile. I just feel some types would more readily give a wide smile then. If Si is your dominant sense or function, you are more confident with it. SLI has Si as a dominant function but their demonstrative function (their id) isn't Fi but Ti. So like SLE who demonstrative function is Te but suggestive function is Ni.

SLE seems like the best choice for Rachel Ray. In the picture I posted she seems to be intiating interaction with the cameraman. I guessing that would make her suggestive function extraverted thinking. She is clearly in her head.

Here I made a mistake I mean her demonstrative function is Te. WorkaholicsAnon do you think that Rachel Ray is SLI.
To clarify what I was saying
In this image, she has a stillness about her while she is intiating interaction with the cameraman. If she is SLE, its not Se but Ni. It is like she using her demonstrative function Te to smile but she waiting for a cue from the cameraman. That stillness give her a quality of antenna, possibly Ne. if Ne she would be SLI not SLE. Which would make her activation Fi like WorkaholicsAnon suggested. The smile is there because the cue is "say cheese".
I think I have clarified that I just not be part of delta after all but possible ISFp. Leading function Si and demonstrative function Fi.

[Suz]

Your right. I don't think Si will always be indicative of a wide smile. I just feel some types would more readily give a wide smile then. If Si is your dominant sense or function, you are more confident with it. SLI has Si as a dominant function but their demonstrative function (their id) isn't Fi but Ti. So like SLE who demonstrative function is Te but suggestive function is Ni.


Here I made a mistake I mean her demonstrative function is Te. WorkaholicsAnon do you think that Rachel Ray is SLI.
To clarify what I was saying
In this image, she has a stillness about her while she is intiating interaction with the cameraman. If she is SLE, its not Se but Ni. It is like she using her demonstrative function Te to smile but she waiting for a cue from the cameraman. That stillness give her a quality of antenna, possibly Ne. if Ne she would be SLI not SLE. Which would make her activation Fi like WorkaholicsAnon suggested. The smile is there because the cue is "say cheese".
I think I have clarified that I just not be part of delta after all but possible ISFp. Leading function Si and demonstrative function Fi.

Sorry I didn't mean to suggest that Rachel Ray is SLI, I just commented on SLI in general because you were misinterpreting Si (and Si is SLI's primary function) and I happen to know that type more in depth than some other types for reasons i will not talk about here.

Whoa, I did NOT suggest that her mobilizing function (what you are calling activation) is Fi. Where did I say that? I suggested she may have Fe mobilizing, which would be SLE or ILE.

And no, she looks nothing like SLI. And she doesn't act like SLI, by a long shot. The photo shows her being extraverted imo. And the smile being cued? Well I'm not just going by the photo. In general she tends to overdo the Fe a bit even on screen imo.

oh and the stillness thing in connection to Ne that you mentioned made no sense whatsoever. Ne =/= stillness.

What i am getting from this last post of yours especially is that you dont quite have the terminology down, nor what the functions in each position mean. Why dont you try reading wikisocion.com and socionics.us to get a better idea of the fundamentals first. Don't worry, be patient with yourself. Socionics is complex to get a handle on initially, and it's entirely possible to completely misunderstand the functions and think you know them when you dont (I am still unsure of my own understanding and it is a lot better than it was a couple months ago). So best to keep an open mind, like you seem to be doing.

p.s. i dont recommend you trying to type yourself by your demonstrative function--people usually aren't aware of their use of that function because, like I said before, it's not valued. I repeat--the Id functions, though strong, are not valued.

[cwsparklingdazzy]

Touche
Completely understand. You didn't really suggest her moblizing function was Fi literally. That why I asked if you thought she was SLI in which case it would be significant.
I know I don't have the lingo down quite well but I do think I'm right in regards to what I feel the functions mean. I just not quite sure how to express that in the terminology. Lol, "her stillness gives a quality of antenna." I can see why that is confusing or doesn't make sense. But it perfectly sound to me. However, I want to learn how to express the correct term. So tell me how you qualify her "stillness." ;]

[Suz]

Touche
Completely understand. You didn't really suggest her moblizing function was Fi literally. That why I asked if you thought she was SLI in which case it would be significant.
I know I don't have the lingo down quite well but I do think I'm right in regards to what I feel the functions mean. I just not quite sure how to express that in the terminology. Lol, "her stillness gives a quality of antenna." I can see why that is confusing or doesn't make sense. But it perfectly sound to me. However, I want to learn how to express the correct term. So tell me how you qualify her "stillness." ;]

That's what I mean. It's entirely possible to think you know what the functions mean, but be totally off the mark as far as what the definitions are meant to embody. I could have sworn I had the theory down a couple months ago, after six months of reading, reading, reading, and forum discussion, but the puzzle pieces just weren't fitting together. And turned out what I thought were Ni and Fi were actually Ne and Fe, what I thought were Se and Ti was actually Te, etc. So I went from swearing up and down that I was INFp (Ni Fe ego) to ENFp (Ne Fi ego). And my dual went from being SLE (Se Ti ego) to being SLI (Si Te). Since I arrived at these realizations, socionics has made a LOT more sense, as has our behavior.

So be careful about being too sure of your concept of the functions, when you're just starting out.

p.s. sorry i forgot to comment on the antenna/Ne business. again huh??? Firstly you are saying that her antenna-like stillness (whatever that is. . .) may embody Ne. . .which I could potentially make myself see though it doesn't say anything about Ne really. Then you go on to say that must make her SLI. . . But SLI's weakest function is Ne!! SLI's barely use Ne or not at all. They subconsiously look for Ne in their soulmates and admire it in people. That's what the dual-seeking (5th) function means. Hence the utter nonsense of that part of your post.

As for how I qualify her stillness?? First of all, I dont think she's very still to begin with. If you're trying to derive VI techniques let me just say that in most socionic experts' opinions and in my (albeit limited) experience, VI should only be used in context with the person's behavior to determine type. So in trying to type her, I am not relying solely on that photo. Sure, that photo is posed and cued, so you cant really use that photo much for typing anyway, other than saying she's an extravert and has at least a moderate ability to use Fe. On her shows, she's anything but still!! She's more hyper than a kindergartener on a sugar high!

[mikemex]

[Beautiful sky]

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[silke]

Stoya: EII-Fi sx/sp e4 - model, columnist, and porn actress.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imm0geiMfqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enUyggxF6WM



Carice van Houten: EII-Fi - actress, plays Melisandre in Game of Thrones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhkZTJS94ME



Holliday Grainger: EII-Ne - actress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKFzsYa-bs



John Green - EII-Ne sp/so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak8RTyRes3o

John Oliver - EII-Ne so/sx 6w5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y1ya-yF35g

Oliver Sacks - EII-Ne so/sx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHb_aqP4JgY

John Wozniak (on the left) - EII-Ne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9LRbOrU-bw

Jan Svankmajer - EII-Ne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykdk9tZiS8Q

Adrien Brody - EII-Fi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adofRpJckkc

James Orbinski - EII-Fi so/sp 1w9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry4eX697qbE

Chris Corner of IAMX - EII-Fi sp/sx 4w5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUIcdXXIR-c

and of course Morgan Freeman (not sure of his subtype)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkv685saieo

[silke]

a few more SLIs from my bookmarks


Leonard Cohen: SLI-Si sp/sx - singer-songwriter, musician, poet, and novelist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quQMY37xi4s



Vyacheslav Butusov: SLI-Si 9w8 - member of several russian rock groups.
in dual (second) marriage with Angelica Estova - http://i.imgur.com/cMC9mTL.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM8iXV-SUNk



Vladimir Vysotsky: SLI-Si 6w5 - Russian singer, songwriter, poet, and actor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vysotsky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zGf4hlzgY



Brandon Flowers: SLI-Te e6
interview - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjwsG36XTZ8



Mike Stud (Michael Francis Seander): SLI-Si sx/sp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRIHbwoaX64



Edward O. Wilson: SLI sp/so - biologist, researcher, naturalist and author.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kebv3kgImIM



Archie Cochrane: - SLI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Cochrane

[suedehead]

EII-Fi?

[Iris]

I watched about 3 minutes of the video. @Suedehead he seems unlike my EII friends. Even when they are passionate about something, there is a holding-back quality to their language. Wikisocion describes it as Ni demonstrative with Se-polr: a combination of a willingness to consider they might be wrong, and opposition to use of power, for lack of a better word. An EII friend told me that there might always be another possibility out there, so he never comes down forcefully when sharing a belief. They might have a firm internal stance on an issue for their own behavior, but don't value Fe or Se in selling their idea or making something important happen. They sort of radiate this unspoken strong desire, as opposed to persuasive language. He is much more exhorting with his points. Not sure of his type, but even just a still shot looks EP to me (at 2:36.)

[darya]

Even when they are passionate about something, there is a holding-back quality to their language. Wikisocion describes it as Ni demonstrative with Se-polr: a combination of a willingness to consider they might be wrong, and opposition to use of power, for lack of a better word.

God I find this so annoying in people

[Pookie]

God I find this so annoying in people

I think that means you're a horrible person.

[ashlesha]

^ now i'm wondering if my EII friend is actually IEE again. but i wouldn't say that describes maritsa either.

[Iris]

@Suedehead. I have been trying to find some EII videos for you - of people who are similar to my own EII friends. It is hard because so many videos are of performers who have been trained how to communicate and be persuasive, their speeches aren't natural. But I liked this one. Rebecca Hall is slightly more physically expressive and confident in her speech, but has that holding back reserve in her voice that I was looking for, she is not trying to persuade. Her posture is upright, but she is not solidly built, there is a certain fragility that I associate more with intuitives. Her movements are precise. There is no IP slouchiness or leisure in her posture. She is, however, fairly fidgety in this video and I have noticed that in other videos as well. That is not a common trait among my EII friends, they are fairly still.



At around 7:00 ish she starts talking about working with Johnny Depp, and her enthusiasm is so unique and understated.

[aisa]

@Suedehead. I have been trying to find some EII videos for you - of people who are similar to my own EII friends. It is hard because so many videos are of performers who have been trained how to communicate and be persuasive, their speeches aren't natural. But I liked this one. Rebecca Hall is slightly more physically expressive and confident in her speech, but has that holding back reserve in her voice that I was looking for, she is not trying to persuade. Her posture is upright, but she is not solidly built, there is a certain fragility that I associate more with intuitives. Her movements are precise. There is no IP slouchiness or leisure in her posture. She is, however, fairly fidgety in this video and I have noticed that in other videos as well. That is not a common trait among my EII friends, they are fairly still.



At around 7:00 ish she starts talking about working with Johnny Depp, and her enthusiasm is so unique and understated.

thanks for posting this
I showed it to my husband and asked him to tell me whether it's how I come across. When he turned on the video he burst out laughing and said "yes, that's actually exactly how you act!". (He didn't watch the whole thing, it's a success I got him to watch a bit, lol ). Then upon my questioning him he turned it on once more and analysed saying things like "yes, now you think", "then you scratch your face or take hair some hair away", "then you start talking and move like this", "now you look away", "then you..." etc. He said that watching the first 30 seconds to a minute of this video is like watching me speak with all the mannerisms...

I've seen her typed EII-Ne before I think?

[Reficulris]

thanks for posting this
I showed it to my husband and asked him to tell me whether it's how I come across. When he turned on the video he burst out laughing and said "yes, that's actually exactly how you act!". (He didn't watch the whole thing, it's a success I got him to watch a bit, lol ). Then upon my questioning him he turned it on once more and analysed saying things like "yes, now you think", "then you scratch your face or take hair some hair away", "then you start talking and move like this", "now you look away", "then you..." etc. He said that watching the first 30 seconds to a minute of this video is like watching me speak with all the mannerisms...

I've seen her typed EII-Ne before I think?

From what i've seen from you even expression and facial structure are similar! (seems like a good fit for you )

Edit: say, this isn't YOU right?!?!? cuz having a celebrity on the socionics team would do SOOOO much for our credibility! look what scientology got out of that Tom Cruise deal!!!


wait...

[aisa]

From what i've seen from you even expression and facial structure are similar! (seems like a good fit for you )

Edit: say, this isn't YOU right?!?!? cuz having a celebrity on the socionics team would do SOOOO much for our credibility! look what scientology got out of that Tom Cruise deal!!!


wait...

hahaha, yeah, that's it, I guess it's time to admit it's me Rebecca
as we speak we're typing my husband (well, future one, first I need to untangle him from this Ti beast's arms) in this thread, lol

[jessica129]

Why do all the sli videos consist of some boring guy explaining how something works or how to put something together? Why can't it ever be someone just being normal and not as boring as a rock? I've never had the urge to put car parts together. I'll post a video of myself.


No I won't.

[Reficulris]

Why do all the sli videos consist of some boring guy explaining how something works or how to put something together? Why can't it ever be someone just being normal and not as boring as a rock? I've never had the urge to put car parts together. I'll post a video of myself.


No I won't.

Well, if it doesn't involve you putting stuff together or explaining how something works, you'll be delegated to Alpha in no time

[Iris]

thanks for posting this
I showed it to my husband and asked him to tell me whether it's how I come across. When he turned on the video he burst out laughing and said "yes, that's actually exactly how you act!". (He didn't watch the whole thing, it's a success I got him to watch a bit, lol ). Then upon my questioning him he turned it on once more and analysed saying things like "yes, now you think", "then you scratch your face or take hair some hair away", "then you start talking and move like this", "now you look away", "then you..." etc. He said that watching the first 30 seconds to a minute of this video is like watching me speak with all the mannerisms...

I've seen her typed EII-Ne before I think?

I just reread the EII subtype descriptions http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=EII_subtypes.

I will take a guess, and say that my friends are probably the Fi subtype, they are not as animated as her, and more likely to gaze into your eyes seriously, and not move around as much. She is seriously fidgety. I just haven't studied subtypes much at all. Her eyes seem to be drifting away a lot, and maybe that could be Ne. Her movements almost led me to think IEE. But in the end I would still say EII because of her posture, among a few other things. The main important thing I wanted to convey with the video was the voice, the holding back quality.

[aisa]

@Iris yeah, i.e. the moment 00:29-00:35 is so familiar...

[Iris]

One of my SLI friends died and I went to his funeral on Monday. He was such a rare person. Slow to speak, careful, deliberate, shunning of any attention on himself. People like my friend don't go out to make videos or want to be in anyone's video, so they are hard to find.

I have looked for hours trying to find an example of someone like him. I have a few videos of Chris Cooper that come the closest to demonstrating the slow, non-Fe speech, the IP body movements, even an interest in economical behavior. Some might say Cooper is LSE, but he seems less uptight and more perceiving. I haven't researched his type carefully, his manner is what I want to show. Here are 2 interviews. In the second one he speaks of what it is like to have the unusual experience of "exploding."





The most revealing part is after 3:13.

[Iris]

Why do all the sli videos consist of some boring guy explaining how something works or how to put something together? Why can't it ever be someone just being normal and not as boring as a rock? I've never had the urge to put car parts together. I'll post a video of myself.

They are boring to you because they are wrong. That gun guy^ is my LSI dual, dang it, not your identical. He has none of the mysterious reserve that makes me want to leap across the table and drag words out of the mouths of IPs. So attractive, and yet so annoying.

No I won't.

[aisa]

@Iris I'm sorry for your loss...

[Iris]

Thanks, @aisa. I will miss him so much. He loved his family and took good care of them. Interestingly, his wife and children were all EP temperament. He was the rock and their household ran smoothly due in part because of his quiet influence. He loved the occasional EP shenanigans.

I can't express to you what a simple and quiet man he was. And yet there were probably 200+ people at his funeral. (He would have hated that large crowd!)

I am going to post a video of Sam Neill because my SLI friend was so like him. Every now and then something about Neill makes me think Alpha, so I am not totally sure. He is more animated than my friend, but the warmth and expressions are very similar.

[aisa]

@Iris it sounds like he was a really good person. I'm sure he will be missed... and in time remembered bringing warmth to people's hearts when they think of him...

[Radio]

EII-Fi?

IJ temperament, not ISTj. most likely INFj, although i think Iris' example is an INFj as well.

[Suz]

That sounds pretty much true.

that certainly rings true for me as well.

[darya]

@aisa, Rebecca Hall seems super EII to me

Please don't take it the wrong way, but she seems like a person with whom I would have a conflict irl. She would be seriously annoyed by me and I in return wouldn't like her That was always my impression on her, since I first saw her in a movie.

[aisa]

@aisa, Rebecca Hall seems super EII to me

Please don't take it the wrong way, but she seems like a person with whom I would have a conflict irl. She would be seriously annoyed by me and I in return wouldn't like her That was always my impression on her, since I first saw her in a movie.

oh come on, I thought you me? It's ok, I wouldn't go as far as saying I wouldn't like you irl though (I know you were talking about Rebecca ). We're so much more than just a type, otherwise every 16th person in the world would be the same. Tbh Idk if we'd annoy each other irl - maybe we would, maybe we wouldn't...