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    márquez is a colombian novelist who is sufficiently notable so that my spanish literature class wasted some time studying his works. he is famous for his style of magical realism, for integrating elements of latin american culture into his works, and for inserting many themes reflecting political issues into his works, satirizing the problematic effects of such problems as class differences, oppression, exploitation, globalization, and the loss of traditional cultural elements.

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    i have seen ILI thrown around as his type. this topic exists because i have a different type in mind which i see fitting better in certain areas.

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    I once skimmed through one of his works. It all felt rather foreign and utterly fascinating. I thought the presence of Ne and Si was strong, while Se was highly disregarded. That's as far as I got. And with that, I can see ISFp/ISTp/INTj/ENFp/ESFj...pretty much alpha or delta. I didn't know some circles were typing him as ILI.

    Gabriel García Márquez uses the technique of magical realism in his novels as well as his short stories. Marquez uses magical realism to blend reality and fantasy so that the distinction between the two erases. An example of this technique comes from the story "A Very Old Man with Enormous Wings" where an angel falls to the Earth because of a violent rainstorm. When the angel is found by Pelayo and Elisenda, they are shocked to see an angel, and yet they never question its existence. The reality of the situation is never mistrusted; however, the angel itself is an astounding manifestation. Even the neighbor lady is not shocked:

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    interesting... what of his did you read?

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    awww I clicked on this hoping to see pics of some hot latino woman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    awww I clicked on this hoping to see pics of some hot latino woman
    wtflol

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    lolz

    It starts on page 3 I checked out this collected work a few months ago. It appeared like the inspiration came from Si-gathered-info. But I only skimmed.

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    V.I.s as INTp based on the criteria purported by Vilinus socionists(it's very important, for an accurate conclusion, to recognize the differences in each socionics groups V.I. criteria). Vilinius V.I.'s criteria seems to use the system of 'hey he looks like (Identified XXXx).' I think Gabriel is an INTp. He addresses social issues very simply and creativity, but he spends his details on creative links rather than the social issue. ah well-- good author.
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    I don't think he has Fe PoLR. IEI or SEI, I think.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    i believe márquez is IEI.

    i can see lots of Ni in his work, for many of the same reasons that he is said to be ILI. the abstract representations of his worlds are definitely significant in his point but so often his stories are left open-ended and without a definite conclusion. el señor viejo con alas enormes is an excellent example of this; there are very clear themes being criticized in the story, including exploitation, organized religion, and mass culture, but at the end of the story no actual conclusion is reached; the angel just gets up one day and flies away like nothing ever happened. very Ni. it was also interesting how my SEI spanish teacher kept subtly criticizing this aspect of márquez's work while generally praising his insight.

    however, i don't see Te in márquez's writings or actions at all. a lot of his stories seem to be focused, in addition to such Ni-related themes as the whole deal with magical realism, towards expressions of mood and general dispositions of characters. in el ahogado más hermoso del mundo, for example, the whole story is centered on how the town reacts and changes based on their feelings towards the newcomer. i think that many of márquez stories betray an Fe perspective. i think the fact that márquez didn't, for the most part, write love stories contributed partially to the misconception of ILI.

    in addition to that, márquez himself seems to lack the sardonic, negativist attitude of ILIs; even though this attitude is portrayed in some of his works, it is not a general rule and takes a back seat to the Ni-oriented themes.

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    He has very strong ideological political views, like support for Castro and "revolutionaries" in general. I'd say he's a Ti quadra type.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    Actually, now that I think back to reading Chronicle of a Death Foretold, I think he would have to be .
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    i believe márquez is IEI.

    i can see lots of Ni in his work, for many of the same reasons that he is said to be ILI. the abstract representations of his worlds are definitely significant in his point but so often his stories are left open-ended and without a definite conclusion. el señor viejo con alas enormes is an excellent example of this; there are very clear themes being criticized in the story, including exploitation, organized religion, and mass culture, but at the end of the story no actual conclusion is reached; the angel just gets up one day and flies away like nothing ever happened. very Ni.
    That kind of non-resolution resolution is very aggravating. In my mind, such a use of magic invalidates the prior themes he's been touching on. But it is a fictional work and, based on my aggravation, I clearly have no idea what the author was doing. lol I tend to have an immediate uncomfortable reaction towards magic or any kind of paranormal perspective/explanation. The way i see it, he is disregarding down to earth insights for out-of-this-world explanations. Marquez I'm sure has a different take on it/message. I wonder what it is...shoulda kept reading his stuff.

    it was also interesting how my SEI spanish teacher kept subtly criticizing this aspect of márquez's work while generally praising his insight.
    I also find myself subtly criticizing that aspect of his work and might consequently go on to criticize his insight.

    I found his ease with words fascinating. But the direction I felt him moving towards was rather foreign. But I'd be interested in reading some of his non-fiction works. See what his understandings are based on.

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    i'm not sure he wrote any non-fiction. if he did, it's certainly not as prominent as his short stories/novels.

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    I checked out one hundred years in solitude. I'm on page 40. The first character he describes is a great example of an ENTj. A scientist who gets excited about every new invention the gypsies bring. He builds a laboratory and discovers that the world is round. He gets the idea of using ice to build homes and create a sort of year-round-ice-city. How cozy. His wife sounds ISFj. She is constantly working to keep things productive. She criticizes a lot of his ideas and demands that he pay attention to his kids who are running around like donkeys. He takes her words literally and imagines that the gypsies have cast a spell on his kids.

    One character goes through this horrible mating experience. That character seemed ISTp/INTp. I also felt like...THAT was the character that mirrored Garcia's own experiences.

    Garcia has an awareness of people...and translates that awareness in a way that...reminds me of...heath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maze
    His wife sounds ISFj. She is constantly working to keep things productive. She criticizes a lot of his ideas and demands that he pay attention to his kids who are running around like donkeys. He takes her words literally and imagines that the gypsies have cast a spell on his kids.
    What a nice duality
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    Quote Originally Posted by maze
    demands that he pay attention to his kids who are running around like donkeys
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    Clearly none of you have read more than 2000 words by this guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Clearly none of you have read more than 2000 words by this guy.
    God why are you such a pretentious bitch
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    God why are you such a pretentious bitch
    You really the word "pretentious," don't you?

    I confess that I find your usage as it applies to me extremely perplexing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    This is obviously correct since no one dares contradict me:

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post914526
    Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

    I've never actually spoken to the man, but my boyfriend has (he's in Oaxaca quite a lot) and that's very much the impression I get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    You really the word "pretentious," don't you?

    I confess that I find your usage as it applies to me extremely perplexing.
    Much of what you say seems intended to cast your person in a particular light. We've been over this.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Much of what you say seems intended to cast your person in a particular light. We've been over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Much of what you say seems intended to cast your person in a particular light. We've been over this.
    Yeah, that's not what pretentious means. If anything I intentionally dumb myself down for this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Much of what you say seems intended to cast your person in a particular light. We've been over this.
    By the way Gilly (not that this has anything to do with Marquez or my astounding pretense), anything anyone says is (intentionally or not) casts their "person in particular light."

    You -- for example -- usually come off as an arrogant, ignorant, asshole. I don't know what your problem is with me. If you find me intimidating or "pretentious" or any number of fun adjectives. I'm not going to play myself down anymore than I already am just so you feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    By the way Gilly (not that this has anything to do with Marquez or my astounding pretense), anything anyone says is (intentionally or not) casts their "person in particular light."

    You -- for example -- usually come off as an arrogant, ignorant, asshole. I don't know what your problem is with me. If you find me intimidating or "pretentious" or any number of fun adjectives. I'm not going to play myself down anymore than I already am just so you feel better.
    Intimidated? Play yourself down more than you already are? Please, quit trying to make yourself feel better.

    I just notice that you, whether consciously or not, passively/implicitly promote yourself in a lot of what you say, to the point that it feels forced to just watch and not say something. If it pisses you off that badly that I think this about you, then put me on fucking ignore.

    Oh, and there's a difference between someone saying something that says something about them, and saying something that is supposed to say something about them. In your case, the things that the things you say are supposed to say about you, is what says the most.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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