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    Uuuummmmm... Lemme see...





    This is how I picture time.

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    i don't picture it. the future, i mean. it's like a very vague general picture of what is ahead (maybe 2 days in advance, at the most, usually? but more like very short term. e.g. if this event occurs in the next few hours, then this could likely happen as well.) then i guess i modify whatever my next actions (and sometimes other people's, a little?) will be based on that.

    it's a bunch of little what-if's.


    i tend to connect it to personal things. like i was asked what day i got back into town the other night and it was connected to my last final exam date. so i remember that. i suppose it's like a weird web like that.

    it's really very loose? hrm. it's a little blob in the futre that i see step-by-step, nearly.


    i like your days-of-the-week thing, though. i suppose i could picture my days of the week in a similar way. it makes them more "real"?


    although one professor i knew really loved graphic/visual organizers. i think slava said something about this. like a picture-able version of time.


    it's also something bendy and malleable. like you can stretch a day out or speed it up according to how much you have to do. i remember hearing someone (god, was it kriistina?) talk about how finding things to fill the weekends and make them go away was nearly impossible.

    which is why i don't know how i feel about seeing it in a picture-format.
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    as a function of distance

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    flock of turkeys: god
    flock of turkeys: yeah
    flock of turkeys: most people view distance as a function of time
    flock of turkeys: for example d = vt
    implied: right
    flock of turkeys: but the inverse is also possible
    flock of turkeys: um
    flock of turkeys: mhmm
    flock of turkeys: how to explain
    flock of turkeys: if you view the universe in this way then
    flock of turkeys: time becomes an object?
    implied: right
    implied: that you can kind of play with?
    implied: somewhat
    flock of turkeys: and distance is the
    implied: or manipulate i guess
    flock of turkeys: yeah but ah
    flock of turkeys: i think we tend to view time as "unstoppable"?
    flock of turkeys: this isn't the case at all
    flock of turkeys: ?
    flock of turkeys: um
    flock of turkeys: it's like an Si version of Time?
    flock of turkeys: where physical states are teh preeminent
    flock of turkeys: they're interchangable concepts
    flock of turkeys: http://www.angelfire.com/ego/martial-arts/sunset.jpg
    flock of turkeys: isn't that
    flock of turkeys: ajodgr2
    flock of turkeys: vanilla sky
    implied: Si is sort of
    implied: yes
    implied: like
    implied: like the ESTj feeling like time is the enemy
    implied: sometimes i feel like that too haha
    implied: or the race-against-time vibe i get when i hang around Ne people too much
    flock of turkeys: but like
    flock of turkeys: Ni views
    flock of turkeys: objects as moving in time
    flock of turkeys: ?
    implied: right
    flock of turkeys: you can just as easily transpose it to
    implied: and Si
    implied: wants to stay still in time
    implied: i think?
    flock of turkeys: time moving about in space?
    implied: or wants time to stand still?
    flock of turkeys: like static physicality
    implied: or have i confused myself hah
    flock of turkeys: no i think you're right
    flock of turkeys: like
    flock of turkeys: physical objects with respect to a timeframe
    flock of turkeys: whereas Si is the inverse
    flock of turkeys: timeframes with respect to physical states
    implied: hah
    implied: can i paste this
    implied: names changed
    flock of turkeys: sure
    implied: into that thread
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    Time does not exist, it's simply a cause-and-effect path of natural laws connecting universes in the multiverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fever
    how do u picture time?

    this is how it appears to me...
    this is how i picture days of the week.

    this is how i picture months of the year.

    so how do u picture time? what do u see?

    post your pics, thoughts, and ideas!
    Why are your months arranged like that, eh?

    I don't picture months like that. It's more sort of the overall impression I get from each month. And some are cooler than others. October, for instance, rules. I have no idea why.

    Actually, it probably has to do more with memory. You know, the old games where the leaves on the ground are actually BLOBS OF LAVA TRYING TO INGEST YOUR SOUL, so you have to jump around, only hitting empty spaces of pavement (preferably not on lines). Even more fun when there are leaves in the ground and the air. That represents some of why I love October. Plus Halloween, with the costumes. And school is always kinda cool around then - you're used to the classes by then, but not overwhelmed yet. And the weather is pretty cool, by both meanings of the word.

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    At any given moment I am both 2 to 20 years in the future and 5 to 5000 years in the past... I wasn't able to find a pic that satisfactorily portrays how I see time, but I found some that sorta do.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Time does not exist, it's simply a cause-and-effect path of natural laws connecting universes in the multiverse.
    "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - Douglas Adams.

    Time also seems to be mostly internal, whereas space seems to be mostly external. Which seems really simple but really strange at the same time, at least to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Time does not exist, it's simply a cause-and-effect path of natural laws connecting universes in the multiverse.
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    Human construct or not, I picture time physically in 3d.

    The week is shaped in a straight line, but humped in the middle
    Sun: Yellow
    Mon: Red
    Tue: Blue
    Wed: Yellow/green
    Thur: Purple
    Fri: Brown
    Sat. Pink

    The year is circular
    Jan:Blue
    Feburple
    March:Red
    April:Red
    May:Red
    Junale yellow
    July:Yellow
    Augustrange/red
    Sept: Green
    Octrange
    Nov:Brown
    Dec:Teal
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    does not picture time. it transcends it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    does not picture time. it transcends it.
    exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    does not picture time. it transcends it.
    What does that even mean?

    BTW, mine is more similar to oyburger with some different colors.
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    I don't know if this is what niffweed had in mind, but "timelessness" is how I'd describe it. Time isn't as real to me as it is to most people.
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    How do I "picture" time...hmm...For some reason I have problems answering this question. I guess I just picture time as numbers. I don't remember visualising time in any other way. Generally I'm just naturally aware of time (or perhaps unware, lol). I just don't give it much thought. When I have to concentrate on it I think in numbers like now it is "3rd hour of 22nd day of 1st month of year 2007" and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    does not picture time. it transcends it.
    What does that even mean?
    nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyburger
    Human construct or not, I picture time physically in 3d.

    The week is shaped in a straight line, but humped in the middle
    Sun: Yellow
    Mon: Red
    Tue: Blue
    Wed: Yellow/green
    Thur: Purple
    Fri: Brown
    Sat. Pink

    The year is circular
    Jan:Blue
    Feburple
    March:Red
    April:Red
    May:Red
    Junale yellow
    July:Yellow
    Augustrange/red
    Sept: Green
    Octrange
    Nov:Brown
    Dec:Teal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Did you know that wed. is humpday? (according to Durex)
    Yeah I did. The week is like a rollercoaster, working it's way up until it reaches the peak of Wed. and then coasts down to Sat.
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    concentric circles that repeat to infinity... the largest one becoming the smallest as the pattern pusles outward in an unbroken chain. Each successive circle shifts imperceptively in hue such that by the time the largest becomes the smallest RBG have shifted... so the pattern repeats neverending yet it is different through each iteration in subtle ways. God becomes devil and rich becomes poor, a reversal of attitude and positions onward to infinity. Amungst the pattern are "singularities" which pull off portions of the pattern and shoot off into their own realities, seperate from the "main" pattern. "main" though is not the correct word here for none of the patterns can be said to be the original.

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    Eeek this Thread Bends my brain a little...

    I see it very much how XOX described it. One thing i have noticed lately is i have a very bad perception of when things happened in my past. For instance it someone said Hey can you remember when we went to the gold coast two years ago i really would have no idea at all. Logically i could work it out but even that would be a real challenge for me.

    I seem to just think of time Vaguely. I have to do something on the 26th of feb? Cool well thats a long time in the future.. hehe. If someone says "what did you do on tuesday?" i suppose i think ok that was two days ago but even then i sometimes struggle

    Im quite conscious of being late / missing times etc. If i have to go to an appointment or whatever i will prepare 30 mins before i have to go out then i cant really relax until i have gone.

    My ENTj friend however is extremely relaxed about time. To be honest i see it as a detriment to him. I will come over and we are going to see a movie for instance. He will still be playing a computer game. Wait 5 mins for him to finish that then he needs to get changed and put on a hat etc. Normally we get there right on time but it seems to be my pushing and stressing out that gets us there...
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    Like blocks where I place activities.
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    Basically, I see today as an extension of yesterday and I'm not very efficient with time in terms of dividing it into blocks where I place my activities.

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    I don't picture time. I don’t think in pictures, I mostly think through sound and feelings. I generally feel time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice
    Basically, I see today as an extension of yesterday and I'm not very efficient with time in terms of dividing it into blocks where I place my activities.
    Yeah that is the static IJ perception.
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    I basically divide up time into my waking and sleeping periods, with the waking segmented into time chunks labeled in my head as "responsibilities" and "free time."
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Umm.. time is time. I sleep for a period of TIME. Work, someTIMES. Slack, most of the TIME.
    And eat when I'm hungry, which is pretty much almost all the TIME.

    And I'm horrible with time. Someone can ask me out on monday 'hey let's meet this satuday'. And maybe by wednesday, I'd be thinking 'Do I have plans this saturday? Hmm..' Another person comes along and asks me out on saturday too. And I say yes. This is horrible. And I'd have to cancel and I feel bad. Eh. This does not happen often now though.

    And I'm not very punctual. Time seems to fly when without me knowing, and it doesn't seem to move when I want it to. And because I don't handle time THAT well, I sometimes find myself rushing to get things done at the last minute.
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    I often say things like, "We went out and did this on Wed.", and the person I'm talking too is like, "Today's Thursday, you mean you did it yesterday", and I say, "Yeah". "Yesterday" and "tommorow" are concepts I don't use much because I am always thinking about things I did in the way I planned them. If I have thought ahead and said, "I'm doing this on Wed.", then I will probably always think of that day as Wed., and never "yesterday" or "tommorow" or something like that.


    Though the exception might be if it's that day or I'm in the motions of actually doing it.
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    It seems like Dynamic types see time as linear, or future\present\past oriented (depending on where they see their goal\roots of a stuation), whereas Static types see time as circular - e.g. they know the days of the week and the months of the year and the order they come in, and see themselves fixed at a point in time e.g. I know it's winter from the general temperture and early dusk etc. and I have a vague sense it's January - If I'm told something is going to happen tomorrow, I see it as similar to today, if it's in March, I remember what it's like in March from experience - 'bright', 'sunny' etc.

    so generally, for Dynamic types, time is continuous, and objects in the present pass them by, leaving only a trace remnant in the memory.
    for Static types, time is fixed to the present with a vague sense of the past\future from previous experience.

    The Static types are unable to read the context of objects in the present, and so time must be controlled by seeing it as repeatable to give the Static type a framework of security in which objects can be manipulated.

    The Dynamic types wait for objects to appear in the correct context, regardless of when this is, and so time does not need to controlled or fixed to a sequence of days\months and their associated weather etc. - they see time as before, during or after an event, rather than fixing it to the particular environment of the current moment, as with Statics.
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    the way i picture time... hmmm...
    i live mostly in the moment but lately have been counting down the time between now and that fateful day i meet those mellons.
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    You're meeting your girlfriend for the first time? How exciting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Whenever talking about something I did - it seems it's always "the other day" when it might have been yesterday, a week ago, or even 10 years ago that it happened. Ex: "So, the other day I was talking to my sister, and. . ." when really it should have been "Five years ago I was talking to my sister and. . ." Putting things in chronological order takes a lot of effort because that's not how I remember them, instead I remember them as how they are related to each other, not in the order they occurred.
    Mhh. I usually start by mentioning the chronological location of the event - "Before I even knew her, I had decided that...". Or, "Today I was talking to that teacher I mentioned last night...". Me and my INFp sister sometimes stop our casual chit-chat to figure out when the events really happened. It's a dynamics thing. I've noticed ISFps describing the situation before they say what really happened. An ISFp will tell you who were involved, why they are relevant to the situation, why they were in the room, why they even know them, etc. They really do tell you the exact situation from dynamics POV. They tell you how things led to the situation before they say what the situation is.

    Subterranean, great post.

    I picture time kinda like this:

    I just see it going from left to right, the lines can touch and affect each other, and each event affects the line. Inactivity may cause the line to disappear. Only one clear line exists for each thing. The "could happen" future versions barely affect anything until someone does an action to create a clear line. When looking at the end of one of the lines, the future of the line is unknown, but one can make an educated guess of the general direction. And at the same time the line (each line) has a very clear past, causality which led to the current situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Like blocks where I place activities.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    I basically divide up time into my waking and sleeping periods, with the waking segmented into time chunks labeled in my head as "responsibilities" and "free time."
    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean
    whereas Static types see time as circular - e.g. they know the days of the week and the months of the year and the order they come in, and see themselves fixed at a point in time e.g. I know it's winter from the general temperture and early dusk etc. and I have a vague sense it's January - If I'm told something is going to happen tomorrow, I see it as similar to today, if it's in March, I remember what it's like in March from experience - 'bright', 'sunny' etc.
    This is essentially how I view time. Another way I sometimes picture time is as a shuffle puzzle. Those are the puzzles where all the pieces are in a grid and you have to slide the pieces once at a time to rearrange the pieces in order to get it the puzzle to look right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    You're meeting your girlfriend for the first time? How exciting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mustachio
    the way i picture time... hmmm...
    i live mostly in the moment but lately have been counting down the time between now and that fateful day i meet those mellons.
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    Somehow it started to nother me, so I decided to come back and post something concerning the subject.

    I'll try to describe how I percieve time and how I think this is Ni.

    To the following exersice.:

    Time is moving. Go into some mall where there is lots of people. Lots of action. Where everything happens quickly and changes all the time. Find yourself a seat from where you can follow it all. Try to observe the movement. How nothing is still. How people walk, meat each-other, how the elevators go up or down. How someone passes someone by. How someone stops at the same time. Feel how people have diferent tempo. Feel how everything in the mall has its own tempo and is changing and moving. Stoping, passing by, slowing down, sudden voice of a commercial and so on. Try to obserb into the movement.

    This is Ni in my opinion.

    And the following is a Buddhist exersice to understand how there is nothing but emptiness. Things are real and aren't. They are real, because you percieve them. They aren't because they have their history and the future. Them being in here is nothing but a moment in their passing.
    Semiotical process

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    That's what I think is Si, to be honest.
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    i would actually characterize it as Ne.

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    Ok, I say Hy.
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