Results 1 to 19 of 19

Thread: will power

  1. #1
    Joy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    TIM
    SEE-Se
    Posts
    24,501
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default will power

    What function, if any, would you relate will power to? Which types have the best willpower, and which types have a difficult time denying themselves something (or forcing themselves to do something)?
    SEE-Se, 852 sx/so

    Check out my Socionics group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/1546362349012193/

  2. #2
    implied's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    7,750
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    6w5 sx
    model Φ: -+0
    sloan - rcuei

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    TIM
    ILI
    Posts
    2,916
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: will power

    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    What function, if any, would you relate will power to? Which types have the best willpower,
    ? Or maybe ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    and which types have a difficult time denying themselves something (or forcing themselves to do something)?
    ?? maybe ??
    INTp
    sx/sp

  4. #4
    Blaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    5,725
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Se. No doubt.

    ILE

    those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often

  5. #5
    Hot Message FDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Freiburg im Breisgau
    TIM
    ENTj
    Posts
    15,632
    Mentioned
    157 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    creative have the most willpower IME.

    Followed by, Te-ExTjs and Fe-ENxjs.

    Followed by, Ji ESxps.

    Followed by, Je INxps.

    Followed by, Ji ENxps.

    dunno about the rest
    Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

  6. #6
    jessica129's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    10,122
    Mentioned
    68 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: will power

    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    which types have a difficult time denying themselves something (or forcing themselves to do something)?
    Me.

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    obviously Se

  8. #8
    Joy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    TIM
    SEE-Se
    Posts
    24,501
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    My ISTj mom has excellent will power. Peter does, too.

    I started this thread because of a conversation last night in which Peter criticized my lack of will power (though he didn't use those words exactly), not on doing something that I want to do, but on not doing something. It is true that I have next to no will power when it comes to denying myself something I want.
    SEE-Se, 852 sx/so

    Check out my Socionics group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/1546362349012193/

  9. #9
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Boo. This kind of shit promotes stereotypes.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  10. #10
    Blaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    5,725
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    @Joy, yeah creative function Se could also have pretty good willpower, including isfj's who have emotional will of steel.

    ILE

    those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often

  11. #11
    Joy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    TIM
    SEE-Se
    Posts
    24,501
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Boo. This kind of shit promotes stereotypes.
    Yeah, I agree. Typology and functions are bullshit. They just promote stereotypes.
    SEE-Se, 852 sx/so

    Check out my Socionics group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/1546362349012193/

  12. #12
    Joy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    TIM
    SEE-Se
    Posts
    24,501
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze8
    @Joy, yeah creative function Se could also have pretty good willpower, including isfj's who have emotional will of steel.
    I agree.
    SEE-Se, 852 sx/so

    Check out my Socionics group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/1546362349012193/

  13. #13
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Boo. This kind of shit promotes stereotypes.
    Yeah, I agree. Typology and functions are bullshit. They just promote stereotypes.
    You're an idiot. That's not even remotely the nature of what I was saying. Try reading.

    Connecting unrelated traits with psychological functions does promote negative stereotypes. There are people here still learning whom you will undoubtedly confuse and give false ideas about types by doing this kind of thing.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  14. #14
    detail's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    483
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Boo. This kind of shit promotes stereotypes.
    Yeah, I agree. Typology and functions are bullshit. They just promote stereotypes.


  15. #15
    Joy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    TIM
    SEE-Se
    Posts
    24,501
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I posted this thread last night right before I went to sleep, and upon waking and reading people's responses, something occurs to me...

    http://the16types.info/functions.php?function=Se

    Now tell me how will power is not function or type related and how discussing this functional trait is promoting incorrect stereotypes.
    SEE-Se, 852 sx/so

    Check out my Socionics group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/1546362349012193/

  16. #16

    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    M-H λ
    Posts
    2,609
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    classical Ji imo.

  17. #17
    Don't forget the the thehotelambush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    6,625
    Mentioned
    159 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by detail
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Boo. This kind of shit promotes stereotypes.
    Yeah, I agree. Typology and functions are bullshit. They just promote stereotypes.

    LOL.

    But seriously, I don't like these "which type is the most X" questions. They never lead to any interesting conclusions.

  18. #18
    snegledmaca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    1,900
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    INFp-s have insane will power. If they set their mind onto something, they will do it, no matter the bruising, the beating or the fact that they will most likely never accomplish the end goal. In my experience psychologically healthy people with good self esteem have strong will power, regardless of type.

    Also I think if anything it's related to individual functions and their area of expertise, like types will have the will power to push a vision, while types for instance will have the will power to accomplish something like a great feat, types to build a great system, to create a great system, to build a social order, to create a great social order, to accomplish a great vision and to realize/push a great accomplishment.

    To explain it on an example, a will paint a masterpiece but the process of painting itself is something they are persistent while a type will accomplish a great feat like conquering a nation but the greatness of the feet is what they are persistent with. The difference between them is that focuses on the process while on the result.

    It's the same with the other functions, the introvert ones focus on the process and their persistence lies there, in performing the process the desired way, while the extrovert ones focus on the result, their persist on having the desired result.

    Of course will power is the level of their persistence and in the end is determined by the psychological health of an individual.

  19. #19

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    52
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    …tell me how will power is not function or type related…
    By definition, will is the ego direction of psychic elements, to include functions.

    I believe that even given common meaning, and taking into account all variations of will presented and psychology, that cognition is not the actor in will, ego is.

    I believe what you mean is which function would give what you see as the expression of will on their environment. But, you are confusing that expression of will with will itself. Gilligan was attempting to address your point using the aforementioned psychological definition.

    Lastly, I would state, once again, that functions and behavior of the ego affected by functions are not the same thing at all. These types of threads are flawed because most people here don’t recognize that functions are cognition, and personality is not active cognition, active use of functions. Will is a product of the ego, and not related to functions or to type.
    INTj

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •