Gamma Quadra Movies and TV Shows

[Creepy-Cyclops]

It's actually what you described had more to do with the nature of American (cartoon) sitcoms. They are episodic with practically no (or little) story arches. The emphasis are on short, self-standing episodes that can be watched and picked up by any casual viewer.

Yeah, it's what happens, heh

(Friends presents a slightly different case in which there are story arches, but the focus is on the immediate, the present, and on mostly on stand-alone episodes with situational comedy.)

Possibly, it's a fair comment that could be perhaps viewed from different angle also.

The characters do stupid things, but they do not really suffer or feel the consequences for their actions, because by the end of the episode, everything returns to its original state.

They don't? Marge not talking to Homer till he fixes it, Peter in family guy (that's the dad, yeah?) getting the cold shoulder from his family till he *realises* he's done wrong then rectifies it so can be accepted again by his wife

This implies a far more fluid ethical system in which everything is quickly swept under the rug.

It's not swept under the rug, it's resolved, re the periodic elements of the cartoon, which I described, so we're not disagreeing, or are we

The characters themselves also do not generally think that they are guilty in their actions or transgressed some unwritten moral boundary, but they only care until they personally feel the fall out.

Sure, that's because the American Fi-gamma morals win out, the person doesn't realise their wrong at first, but then they do, and it's all corrected, the system is upheld.

The moral enforcement is also questionable, because the main characters (e.g. Homer, Peter, Fry) frequently get around their moral problem or solve it through equally questionable (and unconventional) ethical means.

Sure they try, but most often, almost always happens, is it fails. These characters are forced by their spouses, the moral code, to revert back to the correct way of doing it or they'll be permanently shunned. It's in a way, "forced" morals, which ties in with aggressor Fi quite well.

I'm concerned about the two of us speaking past each other, perhaps we've observed different things with the workings of Gamma SF in relationships.

Oh, who's Fry? (i'm not an avid fan of these cartoons, but I've seen quite a several times when channel hopping).

I'll grant that Friends could be more involved due to story line continuations, but i'm curious, what makes you say it's Beta? I see you write where the characters fall, what do you mean by this?


Oh, Southpark goes against the grain of the aboves, perhaps that's more Beta?

[Logos]

[quote=Cyclops;551491]Yeah, it's what happens, heh Possibly, it's a fair comment that could be perhaps viewed from different angle also.

They don't? Marge not talking to Homer till he fixes it, Peter in family guy (that's the dad, yeah?) getting the cold shoulder from his family till he *realises* he's done wrong then rectifies it so can be accepted again by his wife.

No, they really don't get it.

It's not swept under the rug, it's resolved, re the periodic elements of the cartoon, which I described, so we're not disagreeing, or are we

The action is wrapped up in the 20-25 minutes, but I would hardly call the repercussions of their actions or morals resolved. But the emotional fall out is quickly swept under the rug following the resolution of the conflict.

Sure, that's because the American Fi-gamma morals win out, the person doesn't realise their wrong at first, but then they do, and it's all corrected, the system is upheld. Sure they try, but most often, almost always happens, is it fails. These characters are forced by their spouses, the moral code, to revert back to the correct way of doing it or they'll be permanently shunned. It's in a way, "forced" morals, which ties in with aggressor Fi quite well.

But the primary problem is that this is not indicative of Fi-gamma-based morals.

I'm concerned about the two of us speaking past each other, perhaps we've observed different things with the workings of Gamma SF in relationships.

Your concern is noted.

Oh, who's Fry? (i'm not an avid fan of these cartoons, but I've seen quite a several times when channel hopping).

Protagonist of Futurama.

I'll grant that Friends could be more involved due to story line continuations, but i'm curious, what makes you say it's Beta? I see you write where the characters fall, what do you mean by this?

Most of the characters are Beta or adjacent (i.e. Monica, LSI; Chandler, EIE/LIE; Phoebe, IEI; Rachael, IEI; Joey, SEI; Ross, typed usually as either ILE or EII).

Oh, Southpark goes against the grain of the aboves, perhaps that's more Beta?

Yes, but it still largely focuses on similar patterns of episodic conflict-resolution.

[Warlord]

Happy Days
Knight Rider
McGyver: Early episodes, before it turned to delta
Blackadder: From 2nd season forwards
Married with Children: Kelly is a SeFi stereotype, her interaction with Bud is Gamma (however Bud is NiFe or something). But not the show entirely.
etc.

[Warlord]

* Family Guy: Alpha/Delta
* Simpsons: Delta

Also in both shows villianous people are Gamma stereotypes.

[717495]

I don't really care for older TV shows, and I barely watch TV. Is that gamma correlated?

As far as family guy, no I don't think its quadra related. Alpha shows like venture bros., sealab, robot chicken, etc. I find highly annoying. Most TV is annoying.

[Warlord]

I don't really care for older TV shows, and I barely watch TV. Is that gamma correlated?

Probably not, likely not be quadra value related at all. Maybe indirectly type related, but I don't think it's in your case (since I don't think you are one of those types where it could be indirectly type related). To clarify what I mean is, types that are less likely to stay at home, and that's why also less likely to watch tv.

[Jarno]

I like southpark. But who doesn't.

[Logos]

Also in both shows villianous people are Gamma stereotypes.

That too. Mr. Burns is perhaps one of the most infamous cartoon villains in animated television.

[717495]

Probably not, likely not be quadra value related at all. Maybe indirectly type related, but I don't think it's in your case (since I don't think you are one of those types where it could be indirectly type related). To clarify what I mean is, types that are less likely to stay at home, and that's why also less likely to watch tv.

Ah, well. I definitely stay at home a lot. If not, some safe "homey" atmosphere. I may have the TV on but not really watch it only when something surprising catches my attention.

Also in both shows villianous people are Gamma stereotypes.

I like the kind of villains who used to be good guys, and then catch everyone offguard. I can relate to that a lot.

[Marie84]

Bumping this to add

Traffic
Léon
Se7en
Amadeus
Memento

[strrrng]

I think SE7EN is beta > gamma, but definitely centered on the Ni/Se axis. Spacey's character was probably some IEI 4w5.

[Marie84]

hmm I don't remember there being any Fe focus on the actual story, I thought the two cops were probably Gamma SF (Brad Pitt's character SEE, maybe ESI for Freeman's)
But yah, I haven't seen the film in a few years so it's just based on memory

[them]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkQ_JxoWUP8]YouTube - HAPPINESS - Trailer ( 1998 )[/ame]

[717495]

Blow, Scarface, The Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction (maybe Beta?), Gladiator, Forrest Gump

This is actually very on the spot for me (though quality of movie depends if its something I would like and relate to or not, as well.)

Themes: money, family, isolation, personal acheivment, relationships between two individuals, revenge

Yes, all of these things. Relationships, family, revenge, struggle, personal achievement, a touching mix of misfortune and fortune, and a sense of internal passion and willpower. A movie that sticks out is The Count of Monte Cristo, even though I can probably think of something better.

Bumping this to add

Traffic
Léon
Se7en
Amadeus
Memento

I have not seen Traffic, Leon, or Se7en, but I liked Amadeus quite a lot, and don't have the judgment to call it Gamma. Memento on the other hand is one of the coolest movies I have seen and the way they made it was great, and I agree that it mainly has a Gamma feel.

But overall I think I will say that movies and movie themes that are liked are personal, and associations don't necessarily mean something to me, unless I can relate to liking it. In this sense, I see many movies that have more than one applicable type feel to it, which is what makes movies and art so great.

[implied]

YouTube - HAPPINESS - Trailer ( 1998 )

this is like one of my favorite movies of all time. also, i recommended it to mr. saturn and i think he hated me for about 24 hours afterwards. palindromes is really excellent, too.


i hope it's gamma. i kinda think todd solondz is some sort of nt at the least.

[Gilly]

"Happiness" seems definitely Te/Fi axis, maybe leaning Gamma, from what I remember.

[Ezra]

I happened to notice Gladiator and Scarface in the list.

WHAT THE FUCK.

These are two of the most beta films ever.

[Destroypuppy]

Hi there,

I used to be sure I was IEE so I watched Shrek(LSI) for Donkey(IEE).
But now people type me as a SEE, so I want to know if there are movies with a SEE main character, or with a Gamma quadra crew.

Also, type me! http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...g-Destroypuppy

Thanks

[Radio]

Shrek is (unfortunately) Si-ESTj 8w9 sp/so.
Donkey is Ne-ENTp 7w6 sx/sp.

Also, this might interest you: http://forum.socionix.com/topic/1020-gamma-movies/

[ashlesha]

more:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...t=gamma+movies

[Aquagraph]

Calamari Union.

Calamari Union is an allegorical movie that tells the story of sixteen men all of whom are called Frank apart from a single confrere, Pekka. Collectively the Franks and Pekka are unhappy with the perceived oppression they face in their district of Helsinki, Kallio, and decide to move to another, Eira, imagining it to be an unspoiled place where people can live lives of dignity. The journey is an ironic one given that both districts are not so far apart and much like each other. In this spirit, their journey across the city takes on epic proportions with each of the travellers gradually falling by the wayside due to such travails as marriage, work, and death. In its entirety the film is a wry discussion of humanity within a system that regards humans as subservient components.

Watch it.

[Absurd]

Garden full of flies is a good gamma film.

[JWC3]

Rocky is as SEE as it gets

[Amber]

Django

Alphaville : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzHThoav6hs

McCabe and Mrs Miller ? (great anti-Western by Altman) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GMczznlYH0
(the female protagonist is Gamma-like and the conventional Western roles and hierarchies are nicely twisted)

I tend to think Citizen Kane is more of a "EIE after power " movie than Gamma ...but I'm not set on it.

....

[Amber]

Barbara : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l3VRf3enx8
(this is one of my favorite and it got a nice award at the Berlinale) - Her : ESI-Se; him : ESI-Fi imo

[Skepsis]

I don't know if it's gamma, but The Killing is a dark and moody tv series that takes place in Seattle, WA. It was pretty depressing; I like it.

[JWC3]

True Detective

Rust Chole

ILI Archtype

[Radio]

i know i've typed this show delta before but:

Boy Meets World


left to right: shawn, topanga, cory, eric

Cory - ESI
Shawn - SEE
Topanga - LIE
Mr. Feeney - ILI
Eric - IEE
Jack - SLI
Mom & Dad & Morgan - irrelevant

i think i was confusing Fi/Te values for delta. regardless, this.

[suedehead]

[Anglas]

stay (2005)

[ideae]

I am getting gamma vibes from the legend of korra. It's all very serious, political and businesslike, familial bonds and relationships are very important, and the heroes deal with and fix problems caused by beta groups and individuals.

[ideae]

le bump

[suedehead]

[suedehead]

[Amber]

[strrrng]

themes: moral fallenness, breaches of personal trust/faith, the meaning of innocence in modern society, and the endurance of integrity in the face of ethical hypocrisy. hoffman plays an LIE-Ni.

[Contra]

I was pretty much bored through out that entire movie, but once it was over I decided I couldn't dislike it because of the overall message and just how thoughtful the movie was. It's kind of immaculate. Definitely Gamma. I had a similar experience with There Will Be Blood (though that's not necessarily gamma).

[Contra]

Inside Man


The Tourist- Johnny Depp plays possibly the most Gamma NT-like character I've ever seen.


Chronicle- Characters seem to be a group of Gammas as far as I can tell. It also deals with very Gamma themes of power and morality.


Thank You for Smoking

[Contra]

The Kingdom


Lawless- Less sure about this one. More of a feeling I get.


Dark Knight Rises- Bane seems Gamma NT to me.

[strrrng]

I wasn't sure about The Dark Knight Rises (beta/gamma axis, though leaning gamma based on the style of corruption and how the characters are chronicled), but my tentative typing for Bane was Se-LSI, though I suppose I could see arguments for LIE (hard for me to see his 'rule' as that of an irrational type, let alone an IP).