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    I have a good INFj friend and she found she related well to this. What do any other INFjs think? To those on this forum that can't decide whether they are INFj or INFp all you have to do is compare Filatova's description, IMO, they are totally different.
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    EII – INFj – Dostoyevsky

    Installation of the consciousness of the leading bloc: The EII’s condition of normal life represents itself in the harmony of human relations, the observance of norms of ethics, morals, and the cautious storage of traditions. Therefore she finds it necessary to occupy herself with matters of moral refinement, to develop spirituality, and to seek true values in others.


    Descriptions of the activity of the strong functions:

    Fi – program function. Introverted ethics determines that the EII focuses her attention on judgments about good and evil, morals and depravity, decency and dihonourableness. She precisely senses the norms of behaviour, which govern different groups of people, and she tries to follow these norms in order not to insult the feelings and morality of those that surround her. When she first arrives amongst a group of people she holds herself back. Once she has established a degree of control in regards to the psychological atmosphere of occurences within the group, and only then, after she has soaked herself in the atmosphere, will she consider becoming a full-fledged member of the collective.

    EII often makes acquaintence with those that are weak or unhappy. These people serve to incite the desire to help, to support, and to comfort others, within her. To her others will frequently turn for help and she accepts them by examining their confessions for hours on end. She attempts to get accustomed to the psychological difficulties being experienced by the collocutor and she tries to take their side and support them.

    EII is often wounded and always emotional, however, she turns all her experiences inward; thus these qualities are not always observable from a distance. She sometimes appears as a steady, even cold person, but this impression is illusory. Every event, even those popularly deemed insignificant, leaves in her soul a deep track that survives for a long time. As a rule she represses in herself anger, irritation, and the desire to reproach. One of the EII’s characteristic manifestations of offense is the creation of a psychological barrier between themselves and the offender. In such cases she’ll assume a position emanating stressed, cold, politeness. She’ll answer all questions monosyllabically. This style of behaviour, characteristic of this psycho-type, is very difficult to deal with for some people; they’d prefer that the EII shouted or somehow otherwise expressed her indignation. It is not even easy for her to exist in such a state. However, if the offender asks for forgiveness and manifests the desire to change the situation than this state of offense may rapidly pass.

    High emotionalism, in combination with rationality, frequently leads the EII to replay their role in a past situation over and over. The center of excitation, in their consciousness, darkens all other aspect of life when this occurs. She finds it difficult to focus on anything different. Mentally, again and again, she returns to one and the same; she may speak about this lest it occur that others, around her, find it irritating.

    Ne – the function of the implementation of the program. The EII seeks true values in life and finds meaning in existence through harmony in her relations with other people. She particularly values high spirituality and high morals. As far back as youth the EII uses her imagination to form a certain moral ideal, which she then attempts to reach. At the foundation of this function frequently is found the development of a feeling of duty. Thus the smallest divergence in behaviour away from the ideal is dealt with severely, internally. This tendency towards self-perfection can itself become a tyrant. This tyranny of duty, in its extreme manifestations, can lead the EII to develop contempt for herself. It can also lead her to blame others when their behaviour fails to correspond with said representation of decency. This sort of maximization, which frequently characterizes itself in the EII’s youth can lead to confrontation with her contemporaries. Such confrontations are difficult tests, which weigh heavily upon her.

    Since the moral norms she considers compulsory tend to be extremely high and difficult to live up to she may often respond by gradually increasing the permanent feeling of guilt, which stems from all her misdeeds. With difficulty she deposits herself towards these laws. She considers every failure in her life to be punishment for her inadvertence. This sense of guilt can accompany the EII throughout their entire life.

    The accumulation of materials values and career success never supercede the EII’s goal of existence: to find their purpose, to make a life before it passes them by, to realize their talents. For their moral ideal they are willing to go to the “executioner’s bloc”. In the psychologically extreme situation they stick to their ideal. However, in ordinary situations EII prefers to leave states of conflict, assuming that kindness and decency are the best ways of deciding any misunderstandings.


    Descriptions of the activity of the weak functions:

    Se – the function of least resistance. Everything, which deals with violence, in any form, connects to the EII painfully. The effects of the development of this function make it difficult for the EII to watch physical fights and punishments and they harbour an immediate gut reaction in the case of murder, even if it presents itself merely as a representation on TV. Such spectacles incite, in them, the desire to stop everything. Their reaction can be even sharper should they suffer violent treatment personally in life, especially in regards to punishment as children.

    EII considers that each person should aim to raise him or herself higher, and that the strictness that remains unattainable, even for her, is nonetheless, like ordinariness, inadequate in real life. In this the vulnerability of her weak sense is developed. It should be noted that her reactions might not correspond with the circumstances: she can be both unjustifiably strong and too weak.

    The EII is very sensitive to overbearing tones that address her. Frequently she works haplessly at tasks under the force of an underdeveloped business logic. If forced to make or do something she interprets this as the underestimation of her zeal and may simply discontinue work, while simultaneously an appeal to her feeling of duty can for long periods hold her in the state of business stress.

    The tendency towards the ideal, constant work on herself, from one side, and the difficulty of emotional distress, from the other, lead to the fact that often she gets tired of herself. This often lends to a disorder in the EII’s nervous system. Contact with nature greatly assists her in her struggle to relax; instinctively they aim for the healthy mode of life.

    The EII’s orientation towards household problems tends to be inefficient. Something qualitative to buy, to adequately suture a piece of clothing, laundry… these problems, amongst others, are necessary to deal with. Yet the EII never ceases in spending too much time and energy on each task. She must maintain her sense of cleanliness for living in disorder threatens to weigh heavily upon her; also she considers it shameful to allow others to witness disorder in her living space. The periodic absence of money greatly suppresses her. She feels problems in her household very heavily and thus always attempts to save money “just in case.” Weakness, in the EII’s sense of sensation, is also developed in the fact that she finds it difficult to decide whether something will be needed in the future or not. Therefore she’s inclined to keep things for years, which most other people would have forsaken long ago.

    Ti – normative function. The EII attempts to consider all its activities ahead of time. She determines concrete priorities for herself, which serve to shroud the main plan. Such an approach does not always succeed as emotionalism frequently pushes or pulls her from the original direction she planned to follow. Nevertheless she tries to organize her activity into a definite system, to organize order, and this requires vast efforts from her.

    Trying to work as conscientiously as possible, EII is not always capable of working effectively. Thus she spends much of her time in an unproductive fashion. She sometimes compensates for this by working from dawn to dawn. She finds it difficult to bind her workday with a reasonable framework: there always seems to be something that’s unfinished. As a consequence of her propensity to self-perfection she sometimes devotes herself to work, which contradicts her nature; the feeling of duty exceeds her other needs.


    EII at work and in the home:

    If the EII is put in charge, then they will accept not only the burden of their own responsibilities but that of their coworkers as well. They are deeply disturbed at the prospect of any gross error. They try to utilize the resources they have to complete the assigned work in the best way. Although they may conflict with inconsiderate subordinates or self-centered higher authorities, in the workplace, their sense of responsibility towards work forces them avoid heated situations.

    In relation with subordinates the EII prefers straightness and honesty: more often they will reject something rather than make an impracticable promise. For them the ideal situation would have their subordinates simultaneously be their adherents, with whom EII can work together towards a common cause. She evaluates people, not according to what post they occupy, but in what measure they satisfy her moral criteria.
    Warm relations, confidence, an atmosphere of love and mutual understanding. These are all pieces of an ideal environment the EII wishes to realize in regards to family, which occupies a very large part of their lives. Unfortunately, relations frequently prove to be distant from the ideal, and this circumstance is with difficulty dealt with by the EII.

    The EII is incapable of cheating on her spouse not because she fears being found out or conjectured but because it contradicts with her moral principles. Even if her relation is not in the best condition she will all the same try to support an atmosphere of benevolence and warmth; the EII will sacrifice themselves for the stability of their children.

    Summary of Functions:
    1. Fi – The main interest of EII is focused on the moral norms of behaviour, considers it necessary to listen to all whom require their sympathy and help. Very emotional but believes that one ought not to concentrate just on the bad things, but to seek the positive sides of life.
    2. Ne – Possesses an excellent eye for promising long-range opportunities; knows how to manipulate variants and select the most promising one. Prefers methodical activities, is frequently disturbed by the future.
    3. Se – Relates poorly to anything involving violence. While on one hand they resist external pressures, on the other they’re prone to tyrannize themselves internally. Find it difficult to efficiently complete household tasks, organize their budget, and purchase necessary things.
    4. Ti – Subordinate themselves to a system of order so long as not they’re not forced. Does not develop interest in theories of an abstract nature. Not always capable of organizing work efficiently, spends much time ineffectively spending resources, capable of overworking in order to make up for this.


    Professional Possibilities:
    Their abilities can be well applied within the spheres of spiritual knowledge, enlightenment and religion. Can also teach, the EII feels a particular propensity towards psychology. Many representatives of this psycho-type realize themselves in art, but only if not related to performing in front of a large audience; also can successfully teach humanities/art.


    Relations:
    Potentially Favourable:
    LSE (ESTj), LIE (ENTj), ESE (ESFj), SLI (ISTp)
    Potentially Adverse:
    SLE (ESTp), SEE (ESFp), ILE (ENTp), EIE (ENFj)







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    Installation of the consciousness of the leading bloc THE EII: the condition of normal life of — harmony of human relations, the observance of the norms of ethics, morals and morals, cautious storage of traditions (BE of — program function). Therefore it is necessary to be occupied by moral refinement, to bring up and to develop spirituality, to seek in the man the true values (CHI of — the implementation of program).

    Description of the activity of the functions of strong canals (leading bloc)

    BE of — program function. Introverted ethics in the first canal determines man, for whom the main thing in the life are the judgments about the good and the evil, the morals and the depravity, decency and dishonorableness. He very precisely feels those norms of the behavior, which are taken in one or other concrete society or another or group of people, and he tries to follow them in order not to insult a moral feeling of those surrounding. After reaching the unknown people, it initially harbors, it controls the psychological atmosphere of that occurring within this group and only then, after soaking into itself this atmosphere, it is solved to become the full-fledged member of collective.

    With the acquaintance with the weak or the unhappy in it the invincible desire to help, to support, to comfort appears (CHE). To it therefore frequently they turn for help, and it can for many hours examine confession. It attempts to get accustomed to, to [vchuvstvovatsja] into the psychological difficulties of collocutor, he tries to take its mode (CHI) and to support it.

    EII greatly we wound and it is emotional, but [introvertnost] turns all its experiences inward, so that this quality is not always noticeable from the side. It sometimes seems that it — steady and even cold man, but this illusory impression, since the, it would seem, insignificant event itself leaves in its soul a deep track and for long survives. As a rule, it suppresses in itself anger, irritation, desire to reproach. One of the characteristic manifestations of offense THE EII of — the creation of the psychological barrier between themselves and by offender. In such cases it becomes into the position of the stressed cold politeness, it answers all questions monosyllabically. This style of the behavior of this psycho-type is very painful for some people. Better EII it shouted, somehow otherwise expressed its indignation. To it very it is in such cases also not easy. However, if offender asks itself forgiveness, will manifest the desire to change the situation of — offense rapidly it passes.

    High emotionalism in combination with the rationality frequently they lead to the fact that EII for a long time “will be recycled” to some its travmirujushchej situation. In its consciousness the center of excitation, which darkens all other aspects of life, appears; in such cases to it it is difficult to be switched to something something different, it mentally again and again returns to one and the same, can always speak about one and the same, it occurs which with this begins to irritate those surrounding.

    CHI of — the function of the implementation of program. In order to reach harmony in relations with the people, what is for EII the meaning of existence, it seeks true values in the life. These values of — of in the world high spirituality and high morals. Even in the youth it forms in its imagination a certain moral ideal, which it attempts to reach. At the foundation of its program the education of a feeling of duty most frequently lies. It is capable to be occupied severe by samobichevaniem with the least divergence of its behavior from the ideal taken. In the tendency toward the self-perfection it can become tyrant itself. This tyranny of duty in its extreme manifestations can develop contempt to itself in it. It can also blame those surrounding, if their behavior does not correspond to its representation about the decency. This maximalism, is more frequent characteristic EII in the youth, it can lead it to the confrontation with the contemporaries, which survives by it it is extremely heavily and for it the greatest testing.

    Since those moral norms, which it considers for itself compulsory, usually are extremely high and to execute them is very difficult, there is so that in it gradually it increases the permanent feeling of guilt before all for its misdeeds. To it it is difficult to deposit itself, its laws. It considers that if something did not succeed, this — punishment for its inadvertence. This feeling of guilt can accompany entire its life.

    It little disturb career and accumulation of material values as the goal of existence (CHS BS of — weak functions), principal — to find their purpose, to make, so that the life is not past by, to realize its abilities. For the idea, which it confesses, it is capable “to go to the executioner s block”. In the psychologically extreme situations to it it is not so important, as it are rated others, because his own law court of — is quite unbleached. However, in the ordinary situations EII it prefers to go away from the conflicts, assuming that the kindness and decency are the best ways of deciding any misunderstandings.

    Description of the activity of the functions of the weak canals

    CHS of — the canal of the smallest resistor (KNS). Everything which with the violence in any form, EII connected takes in very painfully. This is developed, in particular, in the fact that it completely cannot see fights, physical punishments, but those more murders, even if this — of altogether only television representation. Such spectacles in it cause one desire of — immediately this to discontinue. Reaction can be even sharper, if similar occurs in the life, especially if to violence or punishment undergo children.

    EII considers that each man must himself bring up, and that strictness, with which he this makes above itself, is also inadequate ordinary, real life. In this the vulnerability of its weak sense is developed. Let us note again that not simply little itself it develops according to the weak function of men, but its reaction does not correspond to the circumstances: it can be both the unjustifiably strong and too weak.

    It is very sensory EII, also, to the overbearing tone in its address, since so frequently it works on the wear, in the force of the inadequacy of its business logic (MEMBERS). If in this case it still and additionally they force to make something, it takes in this as the underestimation of its zeal and can simply discontinue work, while request or appeal to its feeling of responsibility it can for long hold it in the state of business stress.

    Tendency toward the ideal, constant work on itself, from one side, and difficulty of emotional detente, with another, lead to the fact that often it gets tired from itself, and already this can it to give (and really frequently it brings) to the disorder of nervous system. In the damping and the relaxation the contact with nature greatly helps it; therefore EII instinctively the aim is the healthy mode of life.

    Badly succeeds EII the solution of household problems (BS). Something qualitative to buy, to suture the adequate clothing, to produce harvesting and laundry of — all this of the problems, which it is necessary to solve, spending too much energy and forces. You be its will, it never by these questions was occupied, whereas it makes only because to live in the disorder to it and very is heavy, yes even it is shameful before the people. The periodic absence of money greatly suppresses it, if the same occurs, since he feels itself in the household problems is very confidently and he tries so that the money always, “just in case”. The weakness of the sense of sensations is developed also in the fact that to it is difficult to comprehend, some thing will be needed in the future or not; therefore it is inclined “to [zakhlamljatsja]”, to store for years that the fact that others long ago would reject.

    BL of — normative function. All its activities EII it attempts to previously consider, after determining for itself concrete priorities, to secrete the main thing. This approach succeeds for it not always, frequently emotionalism takes away it from th direction e planned previously, interfere witing being concentrated on by something one. And nevertheless he tries to put its activity into the definite system, to organize order, which requires from it vast efforts.

    [Normativnost] of structured logic EII especially convincingly is developed also in [zakonoposlushnosti] of this psycho-type. It literally follows those officially taken norms, which are acknowledged in the society.

    Trying to work as conscientiously as possible, EII it is not always capable of working effectively; therefore it much time spends unproductively, he tries to compensate his inability by work from the dawn to the dawn (MEMBERS). To it it is difficult to bound its workday by the reasonable framework: always seems that something is not finished. Frequently it discovers the tendency to realize itself in the fact that in it badly is received. These are — also the consequence of a propensity to the self-perfection. Because of this sometimes it is and so that it devotes itself to the work, which contradicts its nature; a feeling of duty holds it in the vises of need.

    EII on the work and the house

    If EII he proves to be by chief, then burden responsibilities not only for themselves, but also for the coworkers and the assigned work prove to be for it very severe testing. It deeply survives any gross error, trying from all forces to execute the assigned work in the best way. The leading work, — perhaps, the sole sphere of activity, in which it is capable to go to the conflict either with the subordinates, if they are unconscientious, or with the authorities, if it considers that the interests of its collective incorrectly pinch. Both in the one and in the other the cases in the first place for it leaves not its own interest, but feeling of responsibility for work.

    In relations with the subordinates it prefers straightness and honesty: more often it will reject, than will promise impracticable. For it the ideal situation of — when the subordinates are simultaneously its also adherents, with whom it makes the together common cause. EII evaluates people not according to what post they they occupy, but in what measure they satisfy its moral criteria.

    Since heat of relations, confidence, atmosphere of love and mutual understanding of — the main thing in the program EII, the very large part of its life occupy the family, where, in the ideal, this program could realize. But, unfortunately, relations much more frequently prove to be distant from the ideal, and this circumstance is one of the most travmirujushchej for EII, very [ranimogo], from one side, but restrained outwardly - with another.

    To the treason it is not capable not because the partner can about this learn or be conjectured, but because this contradicts his moral principles. Even if relation not the best of — all the same EII tries to support the atmosphere of benevolence and heat; it occurs, which sacrifices itself for the stability of children.
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    EII – INFj – Dostoyevsky

    Installation of the consciousness of the leading bloc: The EII’s condition of normal life represents itself in the harmony of human relations, the observance of norms of ethics, morals, and the cautious storage of traditions. Therefore he finds it necessary to occupy himself with matters of moral refinement, to develop spirituality, and to seek true values in others.


    Descriptions of the activity of the strong functions:

    Fi – program function. Introverted ethics determines that the EII focuses his attention on judgments about good and evil, morals and depravity, decency and dihonourableness. He precisely senses the norms of behaviour, which govern different groups of people, and he tries to follow these norms in order not to insult the feelings and morality of those that surround him. When he first arrives amongst a group of people he holds himself back. Once he has established a degree of control in regards to the psychological atmosphere of occurences within the group, and only then, after he has soaked himself in the atmosphere, will he consider becoming a full-fledged member of the collective.

    EII often makes acquaintence with those that are weak or unhappy. These people serve to incite the desire to help, to support, and to comfort others, within him. To him, others will frequently turn for help and he accepts them by examining their confessions for hours on end. He attempts to get accustomed to the psychological difficulties being experienced by the collocutor, and he tries to take their side and support them.

    EII is often wounded and always emotional, however, he turns all her experiences inward; thus these qualities are not always observable from a distance. He sometimes appears as a steady, even cold person, but this impression is illusory. Every event, even those popularly deemed insignificant, leaves in his soul a deep track that survives for a long time. As a rule he represses in himself anger, irritation, and the desire to reproach. One of the EII’s characteristic manifestations of offense is the creation of a psychological barrier between themselves and the offender. In such cases he’ll assume a position emanating stressed, cold, politeness. He’ll answer all questions monosyllabically. This style of behaviour, characteristic of this psycho-type, is very difficult to deal with for some people; they’d prefer that the EII shouted or somehow otherwise expressed his indignation. It is not even easy for him to exist in such a state. However, if the offender asks for forgiveness and manifests the desire to change the situation than this state of offense may rapidly pass.

    High emotionalism, in combination with rationality, frequently leads the EII to replay their role in a past situation over and over. The center of excitation, in their consciousness, darkens all other aspect of life when this occurs. He finds it difficult to focus on anything different. Mentally, again and again, he returns to one and the same; he may speak about this lest it occur that others, around him, find it irritating.

    Ne – the function of the implementation of the program. The EII seeks true values in life and finds meaning in existence through harmony in her relations with other people. He particularly values high spirituality and high morals. As far back as youth the EII uses his imagination to form a certain moral ideal, which he then attempts to reach. At the foundation of this function frequently is found the development of a feeling of duty. Thus the smallest divergence in behaviour away from the ideal is dealt with severely, internally. This tendency towards self-perfection can itself become a tyrant. This tyranny of duty, in its extreme manifestations, can lead the EII to develop contempt for himself. It can also lead him to blame others when their behaviour fails to correspond with said representation of decency. This sort of maximization, which frequently characterizes itself in the EII’s youth can lead to confrontation with his contemporaries. Such confrontations are difficult tests, which weigh heavily upon him.

    Since the moral norms he considers compulsory tend to be extremely high and difficult to live up to he may often respond by gradually increasing the permanent feeling of guilt, which stems from all his misdeeds. With difficulty he deposits himself towards these laws. He considers every failure in his life to be punishment for his inadvertence. This sense of guilt can accompany the EII throughout their entire life.

    The accumulation of materials values and career success never supercede the EII’s goal of existence: to find their purpose, to make a life before it passes them by, to realize their talents. For their moral ideal they are willing to go to the “executioner’s bloc”. In the psychologically extreme situation they stick to their ideal. However, in ordinary situations EII prefers to leave states of conflict, assuming that kindness and decency are the best ways of deciding any misunderstandings.


    Descriptions of the activity of the weak functions:

    Ti – the function of least resistance. Everything, which deals with violence, in any form, connects to the EII painfully. The effects of the development of this function make it difficult for the EII to watch physical fights and punishments and they harbour an immediate gut reaction in the case of murder, even if it presents itself merely as a representation on TV. Such spectacles incite, in them, the desire to stop everything. Their reaction can be even sharper should they suffer violent treatment personally in life, especially in regards to punishment as children.

    EII considers that each person should aim to raise him or herself higher, and that the strictness that remains unattainable, even for her, is nonetheless, like ordinariness, inadequate in real life. In this the vulnerability of his weak sense is developed. It should be noted that his reactions might not correspond with the circumstances: he can be both unjustifiably strong and too weak.

    The EII is very sensitive to overbearing tones that address him. Frequently he works haplessly at tasks under the force of an underdeveloped business logic. If forced to make or do something he interprets this as the underestimation of his zeal and may simply discontinue work, while simultaneously an appeal to her feeling of duty can for long periods hold him in the state of business stress.

    The tendency towards the ideal, constant work on himself, from one side, and the difficulty of emotional distress, from the other, lead to the fact that often he gets tired of himself. This often lends to a disorder in the EII’s nervous system. Contact with nature greatly assists him in his struggle to relax; instinctively they aim for the healthy mode of life (<aim for, don't always achieve :wink: ).

    The EII’s orientation towards household problems tends to be inefficient. Something qualitative to buy, to adequately suture a piece of clothing, laundry… these problems, amongst others, are necessary to deal with. Yet the EII never ceases in spending too much time and energy on each task. He must maintain his sense of cleanliness for living in disorder threatens to weigh heavily upon him; also he considers it shameful to allow others to witness disorder in his living space (<not particualrly. I was a little embarrassed once when i was driving my grandparents, one of them's ISFj, somewhere and my car was a mess, but generally, for everyone else, i don't really care if they think im messy ). The periodic absence of money greatly suppresses him. He feels problems in his household very heavily and thus always attempts to save money “just in case.” Weakness, in the EII’s sense of sensation, is also developed in the fact that he finds it difficult to decide whether something will be needed in the future or not. Therefore he’s inclined to keep things for years, which most other people would have forsaken long ago.

    Se – normative function. The EII attempts to consider all its activities ahead of time. He determines concrete priorities for himself, which serve to shroud the main plan. Such an approach does not always succeed as emotionalism frequently pushes or pulls her from the original direction he planned to follow. Nevertheless he tries to organize his activity into a definite system, to organize order, and this requires vast efforts from him.

    Trying to work as conscientiously as possible, EII is not always capable of working effectively. Thus he spends much of his time in an unproductive fashion. He sometimes compensates for this by working from dawn to dawn. He finds it difficult to bind his workday with a reasonable framework: there always seems to be something that’s unfinished. As a consequence of his propensity to self-perfection he sometimes devotes himself to work, which contradicts his nature; the feeling of duty exceeds her other needs.


    EII at work and in the home:

    If the EII is put in charge, then they will accept not only the burden of their own responsibilities but that of their coworkers as well. They are deeply disturbed at the prospect of any gross error. They try to utilize the resources they have to complete the assigned work in the best way. Although they may conflict with inconsiderate subordinates or self-centered higher authorities, in the workplace, their sense of responsibility towards work forces them avoid heated situations.

    In relation with subordinates the EII prefers straightness and honesty: more often they will reject something rather than make an impracticable promise. For them the ideal situation would have their subordinates simultaneously be their adherents, with whom EII can work together towards a common cause. He evaluates people, not according to what post they occupy, but in what measure they satisfy his moral criteria.
    Warm relations, confidence, an atmosphere of love and mutual understanding. These are all pieces of an ideal environment the EII wishes to realize in regards to family, which occupies a very large part of their lives. Unfortunately, relations frequently prove to be distant from the ideal, and this circumstance is with difficulty dealt with by the EII.

    The EII is incapable of cheating on his spouse not because he fears being found out or conjectured but because it contradicts with his moral principles. Even if his relation is not in the best condition he will all the same try to support an atmosphere of benevolence and warmth; the EII will sacrifice themselves for the stability of their children (<i wouldn't stay in a marriage i didn't feel was working out / i wasn't happy, if thats what that means...).
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    out of curiousity was this a female description or just a general one?

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    ^^
    I probly should have figured that out before i went and changed all the her's to him's, etc.

    I think as a male, that last part doesn't describe me as well as a female INFj (the part that says the INFj 'would never cheat on their spouse'). I mean, it's very unlikely that i ever would, but i wouldn't go as far as never.
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    Quote Originally Posted by That Guy
    ^^
    I probly should have figured that out before i went and changed all the her's to him's, etc.

    I think as a male, that last part doesn't describe me as well as a female INFj (the part that says the INFj 'would never cheat on their spouse'). I mean, it's very unlikely that i ever would, but i wouldn't go as far as never.
    No don't worry all Filatova's descriptions that I edited seem to be unisex in nature. As you can see in the original machine translated version instead of he/she it uses "it" alot. I only used "she" in this one because I wanted my female INFj friend to read it.

    anyway did you find this was a better description than most others as I did? Having read the other descriptions by Filatova as well (the INFp and ESTp ones are posted in the Beta forum) I found that the types were very much differentiated from each other. I like how "politically incorrect" they appear next to mbti descriptions. By honestly presenting weaker aspects of a type he made it easier for me to distinguish what type someone is
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    ^^
    I found it quite good. I bold-ilated the bits that stood out.
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    I think you switched places for Ti and Se in the description.

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    I will put something in here on day soon lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca
    I think you switched places for Ti and Se in the description.
    thx fixed!
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    Can a mod stickie this before it get's lost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana

    Okay, I think I'm finally satisfied that IS(F)j is a better fit than IN(F)j, now that I've looked at lots of different pieces and they all point the same direction.
    happy i could help!
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    Default Re: INFj description (Filatova) edited!

    Just highlighted and underlined some things that described me very accurately.
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    EII – INFj – Dostoyevsky

    Installation of the consciousness of the leading bloc: The EII’s condition of normal life represents itself in the harmony of human relations, the observance of norms of ethics, morals, and the cautious storage of traditions. Therefore she finds it necessary to occupy herself with matters of moral refinement, to develop spirituality, and to seek true values in others.


    Descriptions of the activity of the strong functions:

    Fi – program function. Introverted ethics determines that the EII focuses her attention on judgments about good and evil, morals and depravity, decency and dihonourableness. She precisely senses the norms of behaviour, which govern different groups of people, and she tries to follow these norms in order not to insult the feelings and morality of those that surround her. When she first arrives amongst a group of people she holds herself back. Once she has established a degree of control in regards to the psychological atmosphere of occurences within the group, and only then, after she has soaked herself in the atmosphere, will she consider becoming a full-fledged member of the collective.

    EII often makes acquaintence with those that are weak or unhappy. These people serve to incite the desire to help, to support, and to comfort others, within her. To her others will frequently turn for help and she accepts them by examining their confessions for hours on end. She attempts to get accustomed to the psychological difficulties being experienced by the collocutor and she tries to take their side and support them.

    EII is often wounded and always emotional, however, she turns all her experiences inward; thus these qualities are not always observable from a distance. She sometimes appears as a steady, even cold person, but this impression is illusory. Every event, even those popularly deemed insignificant, leaves in her soul a deep track that survives for a long time. As a rule she represses in herself anger, irritation, and the desire to reproach. One of the EII’s characteristic manifestations of offense is the creation of a psychological barrier between themselves and the offender. In such cases she’ll assume a position emanating stressed, cold, politeness. She’ll answer all questions monosyllabically. This style of behaviour, characteristic of this psycho-type, is very difficult to deal with for some people; they’d prefer that the EII shouted or somehow otherwise expressed her indignation. It is not even easy for her to exist in such a state. However, if the offender asks for forgiveness and manifests the desire to change the situation than this state of offense may rapidly pass.

    High emotionalism, in combination with rationality, frequently leads the EII to replay their role in a past situation over and over. The center of excitation, in their consciousness, darkens all other aspect of life when this occurs. She finds it difficult to focus on anything different. Mentally, again and again, she returns to one and the same; she may speak about this lest it occur that others, around her, find it irritating.

    Ne – the function of the implementation of the program. The EII seeks true values in life and finds meaning in existence through harmony in her relations with other people. She particularly values high spirituality and high morals. As far back as youth the EII uses her imagination to form a certain moral ideal, which she then attempts to reach. At the foundation of this function frequently is found the development of a feeling of duty. Thus the smallest divergence in behaviour away from the ideal is dealt with severely, internally. This tendency towards self-perfection can itself become a tyrant. This tyranny of duty, in its extreme manifestations, can lead the EII to develop contempt for herself. It can also lead her to blame others when their behaviour fails to correspond with said representation of decency. This sort of maximization, which frequently characterizes itself in the EII’s youth can lead to confrontation with her contemporaries. Such confrontations are difficult tests, which weigh heavily upon her.

    Since the moral norms she considers compulsory tend to be extremely high and difficult to live up to she may often respond by gradually increasing the permanent feeling of guilt, which stems from all her misdeeds. With difficulty she deposits herself towards these laws. She considers every failure in her life to be punishment for her inadvertence. This sense of guilt can accompany the EII throughout their entire life.

    The accumulation of materials values and career success never supercede the EII’s goal of existence: to find their purpose, to make a life before it passes them by, to realize their talents. For their moral ideal they are willing to go to the “executioner’s bloc”. In the psychologically extreme situation they stick to their ideal. However, in ordinary situations EII prefers to leave states of conflict, assuming that kindness and decency are the best ways of deciding any misunderstandings.


    Descriptions of the activity of the weak functions:

    Se – the function of least resistance. Everything, which deals with violence, in any form, connects to the EII painfully. The effects of the development of this function make it difficult for the EII to watch physical fights and punishments and they harbour an immediate gut reaction in the case of murder, even if it presents itself merely as a representation on TV. Such spectacles incite, in them, the desire to stop everything. Their reaction can be even sharper should they suffer violent treatment personally in life, especially in regards to punishment as children.

    EII considers that each person should aim to raise him or herself higher, and that the strictness that remains unattainable, even for her, is nonetheless, like ordinariness, inadequate in real life. In this the vulnerability of her weak sense is developed. It should be noted that her reactions might not correspond with the circumstances: she can be both unjustifiably strong and too weak.

    The EII is very sensitive to overbearing tones that address her. Frequently she works haplessly at tasks under the force of an underdeveloped business logic. If forced to make or do something she interprets this as the underestimation of her zeal and may simply discontinue work, while simultaneously an appeal to her feeling of duty can for long periods hold her in the state of business stress.

    The tendency towards the ideal, constant work on herself, from one side, and the difficulty of emotional distress, from the other, lead to the fact that often she gets tired of herself. This often lends to a disorder in the EII’s nervous system. Contact with nature greatly assists her in her struggle to relax; instinctively they aim for the healthy mode of life.

    The EII’s orientation towards household problems tends to be inefficient. Something qualitative to buy, to adequately suture a piece of clothing, laundry… these problems, amongst others, are necessary to deal with. Yet the EII never ceases in spending too much time and energy on each task. She must maintain her sense of cleanliness for living in disorder threatens to weigh heavily upon her; also she considers it shameful to allow others to witness disorder in her living space. The periodic absence of money greatly suppresses her. She feels problems in her household very heavily and thus always attempts to save money “just in case.” Weakness, in the EII’s sense of sensation, is also developed in the fact that she finds it difficult to decide whether something will be needed in the future or not. Therefore she’s inclined to keep things for years, which most other people would have forsaken long ago.

    Ti – normative function. The EII attempts to consider all its activities ahead of time. She determines concrete priorities for herself, which serve to shroud the main plan. Such an approach does not always succeed as emotionalism frequently pushes or pulls her from the original direction she planned to follow. Nevertheless she tries to organize her activity into a definite system, to organize order, and this requires vast efforts from her.

    Trying to work as conscientiously as possible, EII is not always capable of working effectively. Thus she spends much of her time in an unproductive fashion. She sometimes compensates for this by working from dawn to dawn. She finds it difficult to bind her workday with a reasonable framework: there always seems to be something that’s unfinished. As a consequence of her propensity to self-perfection she sometimes devotes herself to work, which contradicts her nature; the feeling of duty exceeds her other needs.


    EII at work and in the home:

    If the EII is put in charge, then they will accept not only the burden of their own responsibilities but that of their coworkers as well. They are deeply disturbed at the prospect of any gross error. They try to utilize the resources they have to complete the assigned work in the best way. Although they may conflict with inconsiderate subordinates or self-centered higher authorities, in the workplace, their sense of responsibility towards work forces them avoid heated situations.

    In relation with subordinates the EII prefers straightness and honesty: more often they will reject something rather than make an impracticable promise. For them the ideal situation would have their subordinates simultaneously be their adherents, with whom EII can work together towards a common cause. She evaluates people, not according to what post they occupy, but in what measure they satisfy her moral criteria.
    Warm relations, confidence, an atmosphere of love and mutual understanding. These are all pieces of an ideal environment the EII wishes to realize in regards to family, which occupies a very large part of their lives. Unfortunately, relations frequently prove to be distant from the ideal, and this circumstance is with difficulty dealt with by the EII.

    The EII is incapable of cheating on her spouse not because she fears being found out or conjectured but because it contradicts with her moral principles. Even if her relation is not in the best condition she will all the same try to support an atmosphere of benevolence and warmth; the EII will sacrifice themselves for the stability of their children.

    Summary of Functions:
    1. Fi – The main interest of EII is focused on the moral norms of behaviour, considers it necessary to listen to all whom require their sympathy and help. Very emotional but believes that one ought not to concentrate just on the bad things, but to seek the positive sides of life.
    2. Ne – Possesses an excellent eye for promising long-range opportunities; knows how to manipulate variants and select the most promising one. Prefers methodical activities, is frequently disturbed by the future.
    3. Se – Relates poorly to anything involving violence. While on one hand they resist external pressures, on the other they’re prone to tyrannize themselves internally. Find it difficult to efficiently complete household tasks, organize their budget, and purchase necessary things.
    4. Ti – Subordinate themselves to a system of order so long as not they’re not forced. Does not develop interest in theories of an abstract nature. Not always capable of organizing work efficiently, spends much time ineffectively spending resources, capable of overworking in order to make up for this.
    INFj

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    I completely understand, from this description, how I can conflict with this wonderful type.

    Just some examples:

    She precisely senses the norms of behaviour, which govern different groups of people, and she tries to follow these norms in order not to insult the feelings and morality of those that surround her.
    I tend to insult the morality of people on purpose, because I feel like people should "wake up" and not be tied by moral systems. Not taking pride in this behaviour, just the way it is.

    High emotionalism, in combination with rationality, frequently leads the EII to replay their role in a past situation over and over. The center of excitation, in their consciousness, darkens all other aspect of life when this occurs. She finds it difficult to focus on anything different. Mentally, again and again, she returns to one and the same; she may speak about this lest it occur that others, around her, find it irritating.
    I never, ever give a thought about the past. The past - something that doesn't exist anymore. The future - the only thing that matters.

    She particularly values high spirituality and high morals. As far back as youth the EII uses her imagination to form a certain moral ideal, which she then attempts to reach. At the foundation of this function frequently is found the development of a feeling of duty. Thus the smallest divergence in behaviour away from the ideal is dealt with severely, internally. This tendency towards self-perfection can itself become a tyrant. This tyranny of duty, in its extreme manifestations, can lead the EII to develop contempt for herself. It can also lead her to blame others when their behaviour fails to correspond with said representation of decency. This sort of maximization, which frequently characterizes itself in the EII’s youth can lead to confrontation with her contemporaries. Such confrontations are difficult tests, which weigh heavily upon her
    Again, as above, I tend to purposefully make my behaviour the least decent possible. There is no reason for this, I just find decency repulsive. However this manifestation tends to be external. I rarely act in an undutiful way or cheat etc, however I always openly go against people that try to impose standards on others. This situation is probably even worse to deal with for an INFj than, say, if I was a moron both in external and internal behaviour.

    The accumulation of materials values and career success never supercede the EII’s goal of existence: to find their purpose, to make a life before it passes them by, to realize their talents.
    That's actually something I share with them.

    Everything, which deals with violence, in any form, connects to the EII painfully. The effects of the development of this function make it difficult for the EII to watch physical fights and punishments and they harbour an immediate gut reaction in the case of murder, even if it presents itself merely as a representation on TV.
    Ahah. I generally like this stuff. For no reason, just a personal liking.
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    Default Re: INFj description (Filatova) edited!

    Quote Originally Posted by misutii
    I have a good INFj friend and she found she related well to this. What do any other INFjs think? To those on this forum that can't decide whether they are INFj or INFp all you have to do is compare Filatova's description, IMO, they are totally different.
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    EII – INFj – Dostoyevsky

    Installation of the consciousness of the leading bloc: The EII’s condition of normal life represents itself in the harmony of human relations, the observance of norms of ethics, morals, and the cautious storage of traditions. Therefore she finds it necessary to occupy herself with matters of moral refinement, to develop spirituality, and to seek true values in others.


    Descriptions of the activity of the strong functions:

    Fi – program function. Introverted ethics determines that the EII focuses her attention on judgments about good and evil, morals and depravity, decency and dihonourableness. She precisely senses the norms of behaviour, which govern different groups of people, and she tries to follow these norms in order not to insult the feelings and morality of those that surround her. When she first arrives amongst a group of people she holds herself back. Once she has established a degree of control in regards to the psychological atmosphere of occurences within the group, and only then, after she has soaked herself in the atmosphere, will she consider becoming a full-fledged member of the collective.

    EII often makes acquaintence with those that are weak or unhappy. These people serve to incite the desire to help, to support, and to comfort others, within her. To her others will frequently turn for help and she accepts them by examining their confessions for hours on end. She attempts to get accustomed to the psychological difficulties being experienced by the collocutor and she tries to take their side and support them.

    EII is often wounded and always emotional, however, she turns all her experiences inward; thus these qualities are not always observable from a distance. She sometimes appears as a steady, even cold person, but this impression is illusory. Every event, even those popularly deemed insignificant, leaves in her soul a deep track that survives for a long time. As a rule she represses in herself anger, irritation, and the desire to reproach. One of the EII’s characteristic manifestations of offense is the creation of a psychological barrier between themselves and the offender. In such cases she’ll assume a position emanating stressed, cold, politeness. She’ll answer all questions monosyllabically. This style of behaviour, characteristic of this psycho-type, is very difficult to deal with for some people; they’d prefer that the EII shouted or somehow otherwise expressed her indignation. It is not even easy for her to exist in such a state. However, if the offender asks for forgiveness and manifests the desire to change the situation than this state of offense may rapidly pass.

    High emotionalism, in combination with rationality, frequently leads the EII to replay their role in a past situation over and over. The center of excitation, in their consciousness, darkens all other aspect of life when this occurs. She finds it difficult to focus on anything different. Mentally, again and again, she returns to one and the same; she may speak about this lest it occur that others, around her, find it irritating.

    Ne – the function of the implementation of the program. The EII seeks true values in life and finds meaning in existence through harmony in her relations with other people. She particularly values high spirituality and high morals. As far back as youth the EII uses her imagination to form a certain moral ideal, which she then attempts to reach. At the foundation of this function frequently is found the development of a feeling of duty. Thus the smallest divergence in behaviour away from the ideal is dealt with severely, internally. This tendency towards self-perfection can itself become a tyrant. This tyranny of duty, in its extreme manifestations, can lead the EII to develop contempt for herself. It can also lead her to blame others when their behaviour fails to correspond with said representation of decency. This sort of maximization, which frequently characterizes itself in the EII’s youth can lead to confrontation with her contemporaries. Such confrontations are difficult tests, which weigh heavily upon her.

    Since the moral norms she considers compulsory tend to be extremely high and difficult to live up to she may often respond by gradually increasing the permanent feeling of guilt, which stems from all her misdeeds. With difficulty she deposits herself towards these laws. She considers every failure in her life to be punishment for her inadvertence. This sense of guilt can accompany the EII throughout their entire life.

    The accumulation of materials values and career success never supercede the EII’s goal of existence: to find their purpose, to make a life before it passes them by, to realize their talents. For their moral ideal they are willing to go to the “executioner’s bloc”. In the psychologically extreme situation they stick to their ideal. However, in ordinary situations EII prefers to leave states of conflict, assuming that kindness and decency are the best ways of deciding any misunderstandings.

    Descriptions of the activity of the weak functions:

    Se – the function of least resistance. Everything, which deals with violence, in any form, connects to the EII painfully. The effects of the development of this function make it difficult for the EII to watch physical fights and punishments and they harbour an immediate gut reaction in the case of murder, even if it presents itself merely as a representation on TV. Such spectacles incite, in them, the desire to stop everything. Their reaction can be even sharper should they suffer violent treatment personally in life, especially in regards to punishment as children.

    EII considers that each person should aim to raise him or herself higher, and that the strictness that remains unattainable, even for her, is nonetheless, like ordinariness, inadequate in real life. In this the vulnerability of her weak sense is developed. It should be noted that her reactions might not correspond with the circumstances: she can be both unjustifiably strong and too weak.

    The EII is very sensitive to overbearing tones that address her. Frequently she works haplessly at tasks under the force of an underdeveloped business logic. If forced to make or do something she interprets this as the underestimation of her zeal and may simply discontinue work, while simultaneously an appeal to her feeling of duty can for long periods hold her in the state of business stress.

    The tendency towards the ideal, constant work on herself, from one side, and the difficulty of emotional distress, from the other, lead to the fact that often she gets tired of herself. This often lends to a disorder in the EII’s nervous system. Contact with nature greatly assists her in her struggle to relax; instinctively they aim for the healthy mode of life.

    The EII’s orientation towards household problems tends to be inefficient. Something qualitative to buy, to adequately suture a piece of clothing, laundry… these problems, amongst others, are necessary to deal with. Yet the EII never ceases in spending too much time and energy on each task. She must maintain her sense of cleanliness for living in disorder threatens to weigh heavily upon her; also she considers it shameful to allow others to witness disorder in her living space. The periodic absence of money greatly suppresses her. She feels problems in her household very heavily and thus always attempts to save money “just in case.” Weakness, in the EII’s sense of sensation, is also developed in the fact that she finds it difficult to decide whether something will be needed in the future or not. Therefore she’s inclined to keep things for years, which most other people would have forsaken long ago.

    Ti – normative function. The EII attempts to consider all its activities ahead of time. She determines concrete priorities for herself, which serve to shroud the main plan. Such an approach does not always succeed as emotionalism frequently pushes or pulls her from the original direction she planned to follow. Nevertheless she tries to organize her activity into a definite system, to organize order, and this requires vast efforts from her.

    Trying to work as conscientiously as possible, EII is not always capable of working effectively. Thus she spends much of her time in an unproductive fashion. She sometimes compensates for this by working from dawn to dawn. She finds it difficult to bind her workday with a reasonable framework: there always seems to be something that’s unfinished. As a consequence of her propensity to self-perfection she sometimes devotes herself to work, which contradicts her nature; the feeling of duty exceeds her other needs.


    EII at work and in the home:

    If the EII is put in charge, then they will accept not only the burden of their own responsibilities but that of their coworkers as well. They are deeply disturbed at the prospect of any gross error. They try to utilize the resources they have to complete the assigned work in the best way. Although they may conflict with inconsiderate subordinates or self-centered higher authorities, in the workplace, their sense of responsibility towards work forces them avoid heated situations.

    In relation with subordinates the EII prefers straightness and honesty: more often they will reject something rather than make an impracticable promise. For them the ideal situation would have their subordinates simultaneously be their adherents, with whom EII can work together towards a common cause. She evaluates people, not according to what post they occupy, but in what measure they satisfy her moral criteria.
    Warm relations, confidence, an atmosphere of love and mutual understanding. These are all pieces of an ideal environment the EII wishes to realize in regards to family, which occupies a very large part of their lives. Unfortunately, relations frequently prove to be distant from the ideal, and this circumstance is with difficulty dealt with by the EII.

    The EII is incapable of cheating on her spouse not because she fears being found out or conjectured but because it contradicts with her moral principles.
    Even if her relation is not in the best condition she will all the same try to support an atmosphere of benevolence and warmth; the EII will sacrifice themselves for the stability of their children.

    Summary of Functions:
    1. Fi – The main interest of EII is focused on the moral norms of behaviour, considers it necessary to listen to all whom require their sympathy and help. Very emotional but believes that one ought not to concentrate just on the bad things, but to seek the positive sides of life.
    2. Ne – Possesses an excellent eye for promising long-range opportunities; knows how to manipulate variants and select the most promising one. Prefers methodical activities, is frequently disturbed by the future.
    3. Se – Relates poorly to anything involving violence. While on one hand they resist external pressures, on the other they’re prone to tyrannize themselves internally. Find it difficult to efficiently complete household tasks, organize their budget, and purchase necessary things.
    4. Ti – Subordinate themselves to a system of order so long as not they’re not forced. Does not develop interest in theories of an abstract nature. Not always capable of organizing work efficiently, spends much time ineffectively spending resources, capable of overworking in order to make up for this.


    Professional Possibilities:
    Their abilities can be well applied within the spheres of spiritual knowledge, enlightenment and religion. Can also teach, the EII feels a particular propensity towards psychology. Many representatives of this psycho-type realize themselves in art, but only if not related to performing in front of a large audience; also can successfully teach humanities/art.


    Relations:
    Potentially Favourable:
    LSE (ESTj), LIE (ENTj), ESE (ESFj), SLI (ISTp)
    Potentially Adverse:
    SLE (ESTp), SEE (ESFp), ILE (ENTp), EIE (ENFj)

    As you can tell by the rampant boldings, I thought this description to be extremely uncanny.
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