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    What do ESTps think of this? if i've edited anything incorrectly please inform me!

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    SLE – ESTp - Zhukov

    Installation of the leading bloc, within the SLE, is represented by their direct force on the world, and its purpose consists of correctly designing a balance of forces and organizing them in the direction necessary for their realization: thus things are made possible to conquer.


    Descriptions of the activity of the strong functions:

    Se – program function. Basic qualities exemplified by SLE: volitional pressure, the uncontrollable desire for activity, sporting tone and resoluteness. They are people of activity; contemplation, as a way of life, is absolutely alien to them. They will attempt, by any means, to achieve their goals, their means of achievement are not hampered by ceremonial(i.e. bureaucratic) regulations.

    In their struggles SLE will never yield initiative. If necessary they will wait for the proper moment to act and will never forsake the opportunity at hand. Their influence is governed by their power, often they don’t think, to themselves of other [strange] ways to solve problems. Acting with pressure they do not submit themselves to the success of a common cause but rather are capable of entirely taking the responsibility of leadership amongst themselves. They are inflexible and rigid in conducting other people towards the execution of activities/problems. Decisively they manifest their interest in work and are not tormented or distracted by pangs in their consciousness, even if, for the achievement of their goals, they must pinch, punish or offend someone. When that, which they desire, is impossible to reach quickly and directly, they seek alternate routes and without fail tend to attain one.

    As a rule they are the innate leaders, organizers of work on any scale. Even in a new environment, or new spectrum of activity, previously alien to them, it remains possible to be confident that, sooner or later, they will prove capable of taking control. True, sometimes they emanate excessive pressure, in a volitional sense: everywhere where, in SLE’s opinion, something is under-fulfilled, or lacks completion, further work will be managed with their personal interference. Being energetic and ambitious, SLE assumes that the significance of an individual is determined by their situation in society, by the ability of the individual to attain their place in life; therefore they can prove to be, at times, intolerant, even rough, in terms of respect, with those with of lower status. They may consider another to be measly if that individual failed to reach a fitting place in the social hierarchy. On the other hand, those, whom possess authority in society, are worthy of respect.

    SLE will never resign, never allow themselves to be conquered. If forced to suffer humiliation they will gather the necessary force needed to take vengeance; they do not pardon offenses directed against them.

    Ti – the function of the implementation of the program. In order for them to emerge victorious in their struggles it is necessary for them to be able to select a principal direction, in which to orient themselves, to, in time, recognize the key links that connect different situations. The SLE is the most sober realist of all the psycho-types: their sensory recognition, combined with logical analysis reliant on a complete set of information, allows them to precisely reproduce a realistic picture of the world in their minds.

    SLE logically, and sensibly, interprets the situation, checking for far reaching aftereffects of various events. Nothing is assumed upon blind faith. Beginning work, they fixedly consider all possibilities, collect all the necessary information about all aspects of the task at hand, and examine the opinions of all those surrounding, but always make the final decision themselves.

    Wonderfully understand how best to organize work and the inability of others to act on such an optimal level. Thus the SLE will take upon themselves, not only their own responsibilities, but also the affairs of the surrounding people, to which SLE relates with sympathy and respect. Even if their (sometimes nitpicking) supervision begins to irritate another, that person will nevertheless take comfort in the possibility of feeling protected next to SLE, “the immovable wall.”

    In every area of activity a rapid and perceptible return is paramount. They wish to see the result of their work, as far as possible, in a concrete-material sense: the constructed building, the launched rocket, the earned strategic success, the appreciation of a gift, the acquisition of an apartment, the completion of a machine…


    Descriptions of the activity of the weak functions:

    Ne. When any situations deals with the ability to “catch” moods in others, the tones of attitudes, which present themselves in people, amongst each other, and towards SLE, SLE suffers an internal feeling of nervousness. They are apt to understand the business concerns within a person, but not how to emotionally comfort someone in tears, whom asks for empathy. In such cases SLE may, in an authoritative tone, give logical instructions, “Act immediately! Make this so, and this thus, and I will help you.” They thereby use their strong functions where they don’t successfully operate; in the sphere the SLE’s weak ethics of relations. Here it’s appropriate to consider their personal emotional struggle. Following stormy periods of activity they may find themselves victim to a certain (sometimes very powerful) bout of depression. Their direct activity combined with assumed responsibilities, not only for their own work but that of others as well, can lead to a state of temporary exhaustion and decline of motivation. As a consequence of this depression they are attacked by dark moods. Their fitness for work sharply declines in such periods. However, SLE tries to hide this state from other people; thus providing the impression of being always emotionally guarded, “chained into their armour.” Their “working” tone is also not constant: sometimes when they run into obstacles, concrete or social, they are subjected to flashes of unbridled anger. SLE is characteristic in formal business activity deprived of the emotional heat that irritates their sensitivities.

    The SLE, whom appears to others, often seems to be in such good shape that those close to them believe this psycho-type has no need of simple sympathy. However, this is an illusion. Being badly oriented, in regards to the emotional manifestations of people, and constrained by their own feelings, SLE can only externally fabricates the mask of “iron man”, which internally does not exist. Women of this type, particularly, suffer from the fact that close ones fail to develop concern and participation in their lives. With bitterness, SLE yields consciously to the fact that through their independence, resoluteness, hardiness, and by their own will, they will create about themselves the impression of a person, to whom warm sympathy, from others, is not generally necessary.

    Fi – normative function. SLE ineptly examines the concealed possibilities of people and phenomena. Therefore, utilizing supplementary sources, they, in every way possible, will find out more about those with whom it is necessary to relate.

    Understanding their weakness in this area, SLE prefers not to guess, but to utilize concretely available information, moreover to logically evaluate others (i.e. according to their strong function). Therefore they are inclined to judge a person by the practical characteristics of his/her behaviour rather than on the bases of sincere observation. Hence their judgments of others are sometimes two-dimensional.

    But in the end SLE wishes to provide, to others, the impression of a penetrating person, capable of instantly dismantling the chaos of a difficult situation. This is what naturally propels them towards the role of leader.


    SLE at work and in the house:

    The SLE’s abilities, as leader, have already been noted. As a rule all the results of their actions are seemingly connected, compressed into a collective, and aimed towards the execution of a stated solution. Being sensually oriented they’re also magnificently able to develop tactics, which allow them to maneuver flexibly under instable conditions. Their talents are successfully realized within the sphere of business.

    In contrast to those that work systematically at a task, SLE calls to mind the broad-range processes of a task, capably able to multi-task amongst multiple operations. They create the impression that they immediately champion the interests of their group rather than merely their personal interests. When operating in a group SLE considers themselves responsible, as a personal duty, to create a condition in which the workers under their command are materially secure. Simultaneously they precisely track the coordination of work within the whole structure of production through the smaller parts; thus if an employee frequently falls behind in their duties SLE will make sure his/her incompetence has minimal influence on the collective’s effort. They take pride in the group subordinate to their power and quickly dismiss any selfish individuals that pose harm to their collective.

    SLE – an excellent organizer, not only in production, but in the family as well. They know how to manage the economy of a home, know where, and which, object to buy, can magnificently select the cheapest, highest quality products necessary in daily life. They don’t waste time securing what is needed at any given moment.

    Home, as with work, is solidly located within their sphere of control. Thus SLE may appear to be intolerant to others in the home when their interests conflict with his/her own. When SLE gives orders/chores to others in their home it is expected that they be immediately executed. Those that refuse risk an immediate conflict. At the same time, however, SLE often will take upon themselves the duties/obligations of their close ones. If someone, within their household, faces a crisis situation, SLE will do all that is possible, and sometimes even the impossible, in order to help their close one out of the difficult situation.


    Summary of Functions:
    1. Se: Basic qualities include volitional pressure, the uncontrollable desire for activity, a competitive demeanor and resoluteness. For an SLE victory is paramount. Know how to create comfort, to make any object convenient in their private life. Possess a good taste in the selection of clothing.
    2. Ti: Know how to precisely organize the forces disposable to them, to differentiate between primary and secondary objectives. Splendid organizers of any scale. In work focuses on the “large-scale”, not interested in fine details.
    3. Ne: Easily able to associate with anyone at a close psychological distance, however, finds it difficult to feel the nuances/moods between people in its relations. Tries to hide personal emotions, thus seems, to others, to be “dressed in armour.” Not adept in understanding the manifestation of own emotions and moods: may shout and not take into consideration the fact they offended their target.
    4. Fi: Find it difficult to see something new, does not note new possibilities, prefers the path proven by practice. Rejects all that is irrational. Irrationality leads to guessing whereas SLE prefers to stick to ideas that can be undoubtedly counted upon.


    Professional possibilities:
    SLE is an excellent organizer/administrator of any scale in any area: science, art, medicine… They also realize their abilities in any primary structure, in the military service, in sales. Also has the qualities necessary to compete in sports.


    Relations:
    Potentially Favourable:
    IEI (INFp), ILI (INTp), SEI (ISFp), EIE (ENFj).
    Potentially Adverse:
    EII (INFj), ESI (ISFj), LII (INTj), SLI (ISTp)


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    Installation of the leading bloc THE SLE: by the world straightens force (CHS of — program function), and task consists of correctly designing of balance of forces and to organize the necessary direction of realization (BL of — the implementation of program): only so it is possible to conquer.

    Description of the activity of the functions of strong canals (leading bloc)

    CHS of — program function. Basic qualities THE SLE of — volitional pressure, the uncontrollable thirst of activity, sport tone and resoluteness. SLE of — precisely of men of activity; contemplation as the way of life to it is absolutely alien. It attempts to at any cost achieve the goal presented, considering that in the means of its achievement it is not necessary to stand upon ceremony.

    In the struggle it never will yield initiative. If it is necessary to wait for, — can temporarily harbor, but will not let go necessary moment for the impact. Its influence mainly is power; often it not at all thinks to itself other ways of the solution of its (and strange) problems. Acting with the pressure, it does not stint on itself for the success of common cause, it is capable to completely take upon itself leadership, it is inflexible and it is rigid to conduct people to the execution of stated problem. It deposits the interests of work very decisively, the pangs of its conscience especially do not torment, if for achievement goal it it was necessary someone to pinch, to punish or to offend. When that desired it is impossible to reach directly and rapidly, it seeks alternate routes and it without fail attains its.

    As a rule, it — the innate leader, the organizer of the work of any scale. Wherever it neither was located, no matter by what nor was occupied — it is possible to be by confident that sooner or later it will prove to be by chief. It, true, supplies sometimes too strong a pressure of its volitional sense: everywhere, where, in his opinion, something is underfulfilled or is not completed, work does not manage without its personal interference. Being man energetic and ambitious, SLE it assumes that the significance of each is determined by that situation in the society, which man knew how in the life to attain; therefore he can prove to be intolerant, and sometimes also rough with those, who cost with respect to it at the lower step of utility staircase. It can take in man by measly, if that did not reach the fitting place in the social hierarchy. On the contrary, those, who possess authority and weighing society, — are worthy respect.

    It never will resign itself to the situation of that conquered. If it they forced to suffer humiliation, it can harbor until it gathers force in order to take vengeance: it does not pardon offenses.

    BL of — the function of the implementation of program. In order to gain victory in the struggle, it is necessary to be able to select principal direction, to in time recognize key chain links. THE SLE of — the most sober realist of all psycho-types, since his sensory recognition, connected with the logical analysis, with because of completeness of information, it sufficiently precisely reproduces the real picture of the world.

    SLE logically sensibly is rated situation, it checks the far reaching aftereffects of various events. Nothing it assumes upon the faith. Beginning work, it fixedly considers all possibilities, information about all aspects of task are collected, the opinion of those surrounding examines, but final decision is left after itself.

    Wonderfully understanding, as it is best to organize work, and vidja the inability of others to act so optimally it is successful, as this can make it, SLE it loads to itself, besides its responsibilities, also the affairs of the surrounding people, to which it relates with the sympathy and the respect. Even if this (sometimes nitpicking) supervision of someone will begin to irritate, nevertheless next to this man it is possible to feel itself protected, to be which is named, “after the immovable wall”.

    In any area of activity for it the rapid and perceptible return is important. He wishes to see the result of work, as far as possible, in the concrete- material embodiment: the constructed plant, the launched rocket, the earned strategic bridgehead, giving, apartment, machine…

    Description of the activity of the functions of the weak canals

    BE of — the canal of the smallest resistor. When the discussion deals with the ability to catch moods, the hues of the attitudes of people to each other and toward it, SLE it feels itself neuverenno. To it to more easily manifest the business concern about the man, if we in that of difficulty, than pour above it tears. In such cases it can in the order tone, which does not suffer objections, give the indications: “Act immediately! Make this so, and this thus, and I to you help”. So he naturally uses his strong functions, where it does not operate its weak ethics of relations. It will appropriately speak here, also, about emotions (CHE). After the stormy periods of activity SLE it is subjected to a certain (sometimes by completely strong) depression. Its direct active voltage and responsibility for the set of works both their, and strangers, can lead it to the temporary exhaustion and the decline of forces, and as the consequence of — to the depressed, sometimes [gnetushche]- dark mood. The fitness for work sharply falls into such periods. However, he tries to hide this its state from those surrounding also from the side it seems as if chained into the armor. His “working” tone is not also even: sometimes, if it runs into whose- that intractability, it is subjected to the flashes of unbridled anger. In other respects SLE is characteristic the bright business activity, deprived any emotional heat and all the more sensitivity.

    Certainly, this in better shape does not have effect on the ratio to it of those surrounding: many consider that man of this psycho-type does not require even the simple sympathy. However, this not thus. Being badly orientated in the emotional manifestations of people and being constrained our own feelings, it only slips over itself the mask “iron man”. SLE (especially woman) frequently they suffer from the fact that the close ones do not develop to them participation and concern. Much bitterness SLE yields the consciousness of the fact that by its independence, by resoluteness, by hardness and by will it creates about itself impression as about the man, to whom the warm participation is not generally necessary.

    CHI of — normative function. SLE badly it examines the concealed possibilities of people and phenomena. Therefore he in every way possible tries to find out a little more about those, with whom it is necessary to deal, from the supplementary sources.

    Understanding its weakness in this area, SLE it prefers not to guess, but to rate the concretely available to it information, moreover to evaluate logically (i.e. according to its strong function). Therefore about the man it rather is inclined to judge by his behavior and by its utility characteristics, than it is not surprising on the basis of the sincere of qual. that the judgments SLE about the people sometimes are sufficient- after all they are rectilinear.

    But invariably SLE it wishes to produce the impression of man of penetrating, capable of instantly being dismantled at the difficult situation. This requires its role of leader.

    SLE on the work and the house

    We already noted the abilities revealed THE SLE of — of chief. As a rule, the result of its activity becomes well united, seemingly compressed into the uniform dog collective, aimed at the execution of stated problems. Being sensorily oriented, it magnificently develops also qualities tactics, flexibly it maneuvers under instability conditions, successfully it can manifest itself in the business.

    In contrast to those, who systematically and systematically work, SLE calls to mind the broad-range mechanism of — it draws simultaneously the set of works. Such impression is created, that it leads entire collective immediately, without allotting in it individual man. However, being important chief, it considers itself responsible for those, who work in its collective, it considers as its duty to create such conditions that its workers would be materially secured. At the same time SLE it tracks the precise coordination of the work of entire structure, and if someone of it “fell” — of this it will not suffer also for the work it will not stop before the power pressure and even dismissal of that, who not “was entered” into the collective.

    SLE of — excellent organizer not only in the production, but also in the family. It knows how to adjust economy, he knows, where which to buy, magnificently can select the cheapest and qualitative articles of daily life. It does not feel sorry time and forces in order to find that which to it is necessary precisely.

    Houses, as on the work, solidly is conducted its line of behavior. It can prove to be intolerant, if they contradict it. If it gave the commission of — to deposit cannot, necessary to throw its immediately works and to execute its indications, is otherwise feasible the scandal. Simultaneously SLE it aims to take upon itself the works of its close ones. If arises the crisis situation of — it will do entire possible, and sometimes also impossible, in order to help out from the difficult situation of that, who fell into the misfortune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misutii
    Being energetic and ambitious, SLE assumes that the significance of an individual is determined by their situation in society, by the ability of the individual to attain their place in life; therefore they can prove to be, at times, intolerant, even rough, in terms of respect, with those with of lower status. They may consider another to be measly if that individual failed to reach a fitting place in the social hierarchy. On the other hand, those, whom possess authority in society, are worthy of respect.
    Disagree. Individuals must be evaluated by their personal qualities, not by how they fulfill societal demands. Indeed, every individual that plays the game of fulfilling societal demands in order to gain other's respect I going to be considered by me completely unworthy of attention.

    SLE will never resign, never allow themselves to be conquered. If forced to suffer humiliation they will gather the necessary force needed to take vengeance; they do not pardon offenses directed against them.
    I have a blacklist of people that have severedly wronged me, and I plan on exacting revenge when I will get some power.








    Following stormy periods of activity they may find themselves victim to a certain (sometimes very powerful) bout of depression.
    Yadda. Hate this stuff. Don't know how to counter it. It's not exactly depression, just a loss of energy.


    The SLE, whom appears to others, often seems to be in such good shape that those close to them believe this psycho-type has no need of simple sympathy. However, this is an illusion. Being badly oriented, in regards to the emotional manifestations of people, and constrained by their own feelings, SLE can only externally fabricates the mask of “iron man”, which internally does not exist.
    Tru. Kinda dislike this part of myself too, but can't help doing it.


    In contrast to those that work systematically at a task, SLE calls to mind the broad-range processes of a task, capably able to multi-task amongst multiple operations. They create the impression that they immediately champion the interests of their group rather than merely their personal interests. When operating in a group SLE considers themselves responsible, as a personal duty, to create a condition in which the workers under their command are materially secure. Simultaneously they precisely track the coordination of work within the whole structure of production through the smaller parts; thus if an employee frequently falls behind in their duties SLE will make sure his/her incompetence has minimal influence on the collective’s effort. They take pride in the group subordinate to their power and quickly dismiss any selfish individuals that pose harm to their collective.
    Sounds a bit too collectivistic. I don't like "groups", but I do tend to take the lead many times.





    Summary of Functions:
    1. Se: Basic qualities include volitional pressure, the uncontrollable desire for activity, a competitive demeanor and resoluteness. For an SLE victory is paramount. Know how to create comfort, to make any object convenient in their private life. Possess a good taste in the selection of clothing.
    2. Ti: Know how to precisely organize the forces disposable to them, to differentiate between primary and secondary objectives. Splendid organizers of any scale. In work focuses on the “large-scale”, not interested in fine details.
    3. Ne: Easily able to associate with anyone at a close psychological distance, however, finds it difficult to feel the nuances/moods between people in its relations. Tries to hide personal emotions, thus seems, to others, to be “dressed in armour.” Not adept in understanding the manifestation of own emotions and moods: may shout and not take into consideration the fact they offended their target.
    4. Fi: Find it difficult to see something new, does not note new possibilities, prefers the path proven by practice. Rejects all that is irrational. Irrationality leads to guessing whereas SLE prefers to stick to ideas that can be undoubtedly counted upon.


    Professional possibilities:
    SLE is an excellent organizer/administrator of any scale in any area: science, art, medicine… They also realize their abilities in any primary structure, in the military service, in sales. Also has the qualities necessary to compete in sports.


    Relations:
    Potentially Favourable:
    IEI (INFp), ILI (INTp), SEI (ISFp), EIE (ENFj).
    Potentially Adverse:
    EII (INFj), ESI (ISFj), LII (INTj), SLI (ISTp)

    Your edit is very good by the way

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    3. Ne: Easily able to associate with anyone at a close psychological distance, however, finds it difficult to feel the nuances/moods between people in its relations. Tries to hide personal emotions, thus seems, to others, to be “dressed in armour.” Not adept in understanding the manifestation of own emotions and moods: may shout and not take into consideration the fact they offended their target.
    4. Fi: Find it difficult to see something new, does not note new possibilities, prefers the path proven by practice. Rejects all that is irrational. Irrationality leads to guessing whereas SLE prefers to stick to ideas that can be undoubtedly counted upon.
    The functions for that are wrong, correct?

    The top one should be Fi
    The bottom one should be... Ne?
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

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