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    Thanks for asking.
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    wow you actually posted your own answer to one of your little questions... good job!

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    What I'm wondering actually is if the way he jokes is a sensory subtype thing or a thing with males... because I know of a handful of ESFp males who do that.
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    I was about to start a thread on this, but did a search and figured i'd just continue the conversation here.

    Rocky Balboa actually came across to me as an LSE. Why?

    His emphasis in his platonic and romantic relationships was on caregiving (too many examples to list). He was sort of the gentle giant who only fought when he absolutely HAD to and needed to be coaxed into fighting (contrast to Mr. T's character in Rocky III who was pushing Rocky's buttons to prompt a fight)He was also very Fe-lacking. I almost thought Fe-POLR for him, but he's not quite there. The house-buying discussion I think reflected more his caregiving impulse as opposed to Te-HA as someone with Te-HA i think would hesitate buying a house without having enough info. And his wife wondering about the taxes and the copper pipes and everything else I thought was more Te-dual seeking.

    His gf then wife, Adrian, did sort of come across maybe ILI initially just because she was sooo shy and straight faced. But as the movies went on, she actually showed herself to be very adept with Fi imo, and she was sort of the quiet advisor to Rocky on those issues. Also that scene where she was hesitant to go into Adrian's apartment during their first date made me think delta NF, being afraid of what possibly might happen, the possible Fi implications, etc. She also was devoid of Fe for the most part, but when she did demonstrate some, it was very natural and Fi-generating when it did happen. She also reacted very poorly to her brother's Se and in general seemed Se-POLR to me. So I type Adrian EII.

    Adrian's brother i think was beta ST. Maybe ISTj?
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    One more vote for ESFp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    One more vote for ESFp.
    but... WHY???

    He didn't come across aggressor-like in the least...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    Haven't watched the film, but the quotes alone exemplify an attitude of drive and determination which is most characteristic of Se leading. Fighting, life's a battle, keep on pushing...and such themes. I can believe it.
    Aixel, see the movie, then tell me.

    it wasn't quite like that. I'd say the training and determination was more Ne-focused--realizing one's full potential. Once it was over it was like, "leave me alone, i just want to live a normal life with my wife"

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    Ok it appears I was mistaken. On further discussion and rewatching some key scenes, I must concede--Rocky Balboa is SEE. And Adrian ILI.
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    ya WorkaholicsAnon, I think that the Se from a ESFp can appear "softer" somehow than from an ESTp. I'm not sure why. But I really like ESFps, so the aggressor thing never bothered me as much. Though they are most definitely aggressors! I think their Fi softens the Se, so it might come across as caregiving.
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    Stallone comes across as SEE in virtually every role he plays.

    Admittedly tho I haven't seen much of him IRL, so can't really comment on that.

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    Rocky - SEE (ESFp)
    Adrian - ILI (INTp)

    "I dunno, she's got gaps, I got gaps, together we fill gaps." -- An advertisement for duality if ever I saw one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    I was about to start a thread on this, but did a search and figured i'd just continue the conversation here.

    Rocky Balboa actually came across to me as an LSE. Why?

    His emphasis in his platonic and romantic relationships was on caregiving (too many examples to list). He was sort of the gentle giant who only fought when he absolutely HAD to and needed to be coaxed into fighting (contrast to Mr. T's character in Rocky III who was pushing Rocky's buttons to prompt a fight)He was also very Fe-lacking. I almost thought Fe-POLR for him, but he's not quite there. The house-buying discussion I think reflected more his caregiving impulse as opposed to Te-HA as someone with Te-HA i think would hesitate buying a house without having enough info. And his wife wondering about the taxes and the copper pipes and everything else I thought was more Te-dual seeking.

    His gf then wife, Adrian, did sort of come across maybe ILI initially just because she was sooo shy and straight faced. But as the movies went on, she actually showed herself to be very adept with Fi imo, and she was sort of the quiet advisor to Rocky on those issues. Also that scene where she was hesitant to go into Adrian's apartment during their first date made me think delta NF, being afraid of what possibly might happen, the possible Fi implications, etc. She also was devoid of Fe for the most part, but when she did demonstrate some, it was very natural and Fi-generating when it did happen. She also reacted very poorly to her brother's Se and in general seemed Se-POLR to me. So I type Adrian EII.
    I actually totally agree with this. Adrian takes care of animals for a living. What kind of NT profession is that?

    I think Stallone is a real life ESTj. He wanted to make an Edgar Allan Poe movie with him as the star. Who is more EII than Poe? (Cue IEI arguments in 3..2..1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    I actually totally agree with this. Adrian takes care of animals for a living. What kind of NT profession is that?

    I think Stallone is a real life ESTj. He wanted to make an Edgar Allan Poe movie with him as the star. Who is more EII than Poe? (Cue IEI arguments in 3..2..1)
    well, thanks for reinforcing my initial gut impressions... i had sort of conceded to the SEE/ILI typings since everyone seemed so unanimous, but I have always liked LSE/EII better for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    i had sort of conceded to the SEE/ILI typings since everyone seemed so unanimous, but I have always liked LSE/EII better for them.
    don't just follow the consensus. Trust yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    don't just follow the consensus. Trust yourself.
    Well in this game, i never can be sure that my typing isn't off, so if people are unanimous about something, it's probably that i'm wrong...but thanks to you the unanimity has been broken
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    He is a fictional character. He wants to be SEE. But their are distortions. He is an IEI and SEE together.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    well, thanks for reinforcing my initial gut impressions... i had sort of conceded to the SEE/ILI typings since everyone seemed so unanimous, but I have always liked LSE/EII better for them.
    I do see some of what you're talking about, but overall I just can't see him as a logical type. He's very Fi focused, and I don't see strong Te or Ti. He reminds me a bit of an IEE friend of mine though... Very random and funny, and more Si focused than an SEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    He is a fictional character. He wants to be SEE. But their are distortions. He is an IEI and SEE together.
    Do you think he's IEI and SEE together because his Te and Ti are just that absent? Or does it have something to do with Se dual seeking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Well in this game, i never can be sure that my typing isn't off, so if people are unanimous about something, it's probably that i'm wrong...but thanks to you the unanimity has been broken
    Internal value judgments (Fi) are just as important as external consensus (Te). I've known IEEs who've followed their hearts and were leaps ahead of us logical types, fumbling with our tallies and axioms.

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    What do you guys think about Apollo?

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    I think I need to see the first movie again! Apollo strikes me as Ne/Si from my recollection, but pretty much the only thing I remember is him talking Rocky into letting him be his coach.
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    The way that Rocky just nonstop talks throughout the first movie is totally Se base.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    Internal value judgments (Fi) are just as important as external consensus (Te). I've known IEEs who've followed their hearts and were leaps ahead of us logical types, fumbling with our tallies and axioms.

    NeFi gets at the essences of people. There is a reason why IEEs are called "the psychologist". Trust your insight. It's your gift.
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