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    Thanks Subterranean.

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    Dichotomic descriptions of types page 1

    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Starting another marathon project on the types, functions & states.

    This is a thread for working, contributions welcome.

    Is there something in particular that you would like me to add/correct to the descriptions?

    The material is not meant to be read at once. It seeks to be reference material, a sort of encyclopedia of important information on the types.


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Accepting Si (acc-si) = ISTp/ISFp

    Perceiving function:
    It relates to a natural state of things, observation of events such as they are. It doesn't involve agreements, ethics or sociality, it doesn't involve purpose. It's just things as they are.
    It requires judging functions to supply it with purpose and humanity and it supports judging functions by turning their hopes, beliefs and decisions into reality. By its actions changes the focus of a situation from the 'aristocratic' to the 'democratic' ie. enables one to concentrate on the situation that is instead of a principle, communal agreement or prevailing idea.

    Sensory function:
    It involves concrete details, concrete actions as opposed to abstractions. It can solve a certain number of problems effectively but it requires the support of intuition to point out where to direct its efforts. Sensory function can solve a problem but it's not useful in identifying the problem as a problem. By its actions a sensory function changes a 'thinking' situation into 'feeling'. This means that the obvious known and concrete characteristics of a situation have been redefined by concrete sensory action and that the new situation requires acceptance, relaxation and understanding. Using sensory functions also increases the possibilities of interaction in a situation as the acting person's actions are easy to identify. This creates new communal interests.

    Introvert function:
    It is a systematic function, interested in cause and effect, understanding the rules of the things to which it is used. It is interested more in the questions of how and why rather than who and what. It is information about fields, graphs, maps rather than particular objects. By the actions of this function a questioning, erratic, case by case 'taciturn' action turns into an ordered, uninterrupted flow of 'narrative' information. Introvert functions require the support of extravert ones to yield them raw material for the perfection of their inner models, a base to which the model can be grounded and which it can serve.

    Acc-si: In relation to sensory information this system of knowledge is often called technical skill or body control but in fact it handles all information that can be thought of as immediate and concrete by the person using the function.

    Accepting function:
    This what one does without thinking. This is the function through which one focuses actions towards a single goal. This is not the same as being a focussed function by itself. This function turns the various interests of the 'result' group into the 'process' group and the 'process' group is the one that is focussed. The importance of this function is rather that it accepts a multitude of base resources, ideas and tasks. It is mobile and can be used in many situations which contrasts the creative functions that can only be used for very particular tasks. This does NOT mean that one is automatically weaker than the other as succesfull use of creative functions tends to create groundbreaking breakthroughs which are very important despite their relative rarity. The accepting functions are balanced rather than supported by the creating functions.

    Limiting function:
    It is a function that reduces your field of interest, it pushes you away from frivolous, dangerous, off-limits interests towards the things that you need to focus in. It changes the 'positivism' cathegory into 'negativism'. It is not a subdued function despite this. Rather, it signifies seeking your limits and finally finding them, testing what you wish is true. When it finds its own limits it helps others cross theirs and thus supports the 'empowering' functions.

    Acc-Si: Sheer personal effort when applied everywhere according to a particular system does not work in everything. One person's skill is never enough. The more effort you put in your work the more you notice the things that are beyond your control.

    Strategic function:
    It focuses on the bottom line, the thing you want. By it's action it separates the worthy from the unworthy, talented from untalented, the succesful from the unsuccesful. Without a goal, it's useless. It's point is to establish direction. By it's action it turns the 'construct-creating' into the 'emotion-creating'. By this action it turns the focus from the old, the known, into the new, the surprising and starts a new cycle. This is the function that casts off the creations that anchor you and sends you to the unknown. 'Strategic' functions require the support of 'Tactical' functions. A goal will not be reached unless someone does the actual work to get there.

    Acc-Si: The goal, the quality appraised, the value sought for is typically something of worth to a personal system of concrete living. This is typically called comfort, but it can apply to many other things.

    Carefree function:
    It is inclined to immediate decisions through immediately available information. Personal risk is seen as small in relation to the profit gained by action. It feels a lack of useful resources and thus that it has little to lose. By its action it changes the 'obstinate' dichotomy into the 'compliant' dichotomy. This function regards the existing motivations and purposes either as already perfected, boring or irrelevant and turns a person's focus towards the resources needed to keep up the system. It is inclined to feel it has seen everything and wants more. A carefree function is balanced by 'calculating' functions.

    Acc-si also changes the person's style of communication from 'cold' to 'sincere'.

    Judicious function:
    It is intensely personal, even narcisstic. It's interest lies only in its own chosen environment which it guards from disturbances. By its action it turns the 'objective and grave' into the 'subjective and merry'. It establishes a special environment that is free from a number of usual limitations and is able to support specialized abilities, technologies and ideas that would not work in general use. It changes the quadra spirit of the environment and changes the focus from bonds of mutual loyalty to general playfulness.

    Dynamic function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which the environment is in flow and people act according to its rules in whatever way they are able to.

    Irrational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which people establish general rules only when they are found necessary.

    Cold function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which goals are personal.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: This kind of sensing is rather passive, it focuses on getting as more pleasant feelings as possible, on reduction of quantity of unnecessary motions, on the quality and functionality of work. People with this function as dominant do not like to argue (if they began – it means that something VERY serious happened). They are often efficient at work that requires attention to small details, monotonous chores etc. They like intellectuals, like new ideas, because these ideas make their life more diverse, but also ridicule intellectuals for their “impractical approach”.

    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: Peace is achieved through the senses. Anything that goes against the natural flow of events is sharply received. He rejects any activity that goes against social norms, does not abide primal instincts. He is squeamish. He is thoughtful and shows respect to relatives and loved ones. If he sees a weak man it is in his nature to come to his aid. He is sensitive and will never take joy in the pain of others. The possibilities of sensations are well understood. He is often and enthusiast of the out doors and enjoys earthy activities, camping, fishing and primitive listing being some of the many things he enjoys. He does not force his moods on to others, if he is bored it is not spoken, if he is restless he will not say. He is easily wounded but will not say when his spirit has been broken. In order to survive he knows how to abide by rules and follow social stereotypes.

    Concrete form:
    Gulenko: Sensorika of the sensations Men of customary pleasures and simple everyday happiness. Greatly it is considered habits and conveniences in those surrounding. Does not disrupt strange rest. It always worries about the health and a good health its and its close ones. It surrounds itself by pleasant trifles. It dresses simply and with the taste. It rejects extremes in the exterior view. He tries to be held in the shadow, it is not separated neither to the side of the good nor to the side the laggards. It will get along with all, since it knows how to engage the position of the golden mean. The peace of things is studied. It loves to take object in the hands, to touch it, to perceive its physical qualities. It for a long time memorizes sensations. It easily manipulates by objects, seeking out that which to it is usual.

    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Acc-Si is strategic and carefree, it cares only about what it wants and it goes after it immediately. Cre-Si is tactical and calculating, it sees itself as doing an important job requiring care and attention and does not want disturbances. Acc-Si will happily trample over the systems of Cre-Si unless Cre-Si establishes control over it, which it will quite possibly do.

    Dual: Acc-Si supports Acc-Ne by establishing mutual goals and turning Acc-Ne abstract ideas into concrete reality.

    Activity: Cre-Ne and Acc-Si share the strategic drive for goals, but one has abstract and one has concrete goals. They can share the idea of this intensely personal quest and even offer some help to each other. The goals that Acc-Si pursues are concrete but not necessarily well defined. The goals Cre-Ne pursues are abstract but in a sense, more strict and binding. Abstract version of this activity partnership is generally more satisfying than the concrete one.

    Super-ego:
    Acc-Si and Acc-Ni share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Si and Cre-Ni share the air of the self-confident goal-driven person, but beyond this they have little in common. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Si person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary
    Acc-Si and Acc-Se are united in their drive for reaching a concrete goal but where the Acc-Si will directly go for what he wants, the Acc-Se is carefully analyzing the goals of various people to find the optimal personal goal. Acc-Se finds Acc-Si inconveniently forceful and causing Acc-Se additional difficulties. From the outside it is often difficult to differentiate these two. Quadra spirit will generally be the easiest way.

    Quasi-identical
    Acc-Si and Cre-Se, relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. They are united in their 'carefree' concrete action but where Acc-Si is out to reach a goal himself, Cre-Se is attempting to do his best and be rewarded. Both believe the other is taking the easy way.

    Other issues:
    Acc-Si is characterized by the 'caretaking' style of sexuality.


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Accepting Ne (acc-ne) = ENFp/ENTp

    Perceiving function:
    It relates to a natural state of things, observation of events such as they are. It doesn't involve agreements, ethics or sociality, it doesn't involve purpose. It's just things as they are.
    It requires judging functions to supply it with purpose and humanity and it supports judging functions by turning their hopes, beliefs and decisions into reality. By its actions changes the focus of a situation from the 'aristocratic' to the 'democratic' ie. enables one to concentrate on the situation that is instead of a principle, communal agreement or prevailing idea.

    Intuitive function:
    It involves abstraction, generalities, guesswork, approximation, sketching rather than concrete details. It looks for general, rather than specific usability, universally useful tools rather than tools for specific effect. It creates ideas and finds paths but is unwilling to do the legwork to walk the walk. By its actions an intuitive function changes a 'feeling' situation into a 'thinking' one. This means that the idea of what details of a situation matter and should be concentrated on, is born. Using intuitive functions generates enables one to find the relevant among the details, it creates focus and lessens the need to interact with the environment. Intuitive functions are supported by sensory ones and vice versa since the intuitive function guides the sensory function in its actions and the sensory function allows the actualization of the intuitive ideas.

    Extrovert function:
    It involves individual objects rather than systems and rules. It is interested more in the questions of who and what than in the questions of how and why. Its fixation on particular objects allows it to examine them thoroughly, from many point of view and to find new characteristics in them. By the actions of this function an ordered flow of 'narrative' information turns into a disassembled, erratic, questioning 'taciturn' discussion, or playing with concepts. Extrovert functions are supported by the introvert ones by letting them avoid repeating mistakes and guiding their actions.

    Acc-Ne: In relation to intuition, this interest in objects is the interest and fascination with the strange, the unexpected, the unclear. This fascination with hidden things can mean a wish to find things of value that are your very own and nobody else's or it may become a showy personal ability to see things in ways that others don't.

    Accepting function:
    This what one does without thinking. This is the function through which one focuses actions towards a single goal. This is not the same as being a focussed function by itself. This function turns the various interests of the 'result' group into the 'process' group and the 'process' group is the one that is focussed. The importance of this function is rather that it accepts a multitude of base resources, ideas and tasks. It is mobile and can be used in many situations which contrasts the creative functions that can only be used for very particular tasks. This does NOT mean that one is automatically weaker than the other as succesfull use of creative functions tends to create groundbreaking breakthroughs which are very important despite their relative rarity. The accepting functions are balanced rather than supported by the creating functions.

    Empowering function:
    It is a function that widens your area of interest, it's use creates great confidence in a person's ability. It changes the 'negativism' dichotomy' into 'positivism'. It signifies the crossing of personal limits, embarking on a personal adventure, looking for and finding self-confidence. It supports the limiting functions by taking responsibility away from them, making limits elsewhere easier to accept.

    Tactical function:
    It focuses on what it's doing. Methods are chosen according to personal interest, skill and relevance to task. The outcome is whatever is possible under circumstances and should be accepted as such. Can possess an unattached, mercenary or professional worker attitude. Importance given on talent and skill. By its action it turns the 'emotion-creating' into the 'construct-creating'. By this action it finds a personal sense of accomplishment, reaches a sense of finding it's place in the world which starts the conservative instinct.

    Carefree function:
    It is inclined to immediate decisions through immediately available information. Personal risk is seen as small in relation to the profit gained by action. It feels a lack of useful resources and thus that it has little to lose. By its action it changes the 'obstinate' dichotomy into the 'compliant' dichotomy. This function regards the existing motivations and purposes either as already perfected, boring or irrelevant and turns a person's focus towards the resources needed to keep up the system. It is inclined to feel it has seen everything and wants more. A carefree function is balanced by 'calculating' functions.

    Acc-ne also changes the person's style of communication from 'passionate' to 'business-like'.

    Judicious function:
    It is intensely personal, even narcisstic. It's interest lies only in its own chosen environment which it guards from disturbances. By its action it turns the 'objective and grave' into the 'subjective and merry'. It establishes a special environment that is free from a number of usual limitations and is able to support specialized abilities, technologies and ideas that would not work in general use. It changes the quadra spirit of the environment and changes the focus from bonds of mutual loyalty to general playfulness.

    Static funtion:
    It relates to a system of though in which the environment does not change by itself but it is the people who interact with it that set the rules of what happens.

    Irrational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which people establish general rules only when they are found necessary.

    Hot function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which there are important goals that are common to all people.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: Bearers of this function are usually curious, full of ideas; they gladly look for new ideas in books, or make new interesting acquaintances. Usually they are not aggressive, and even being talented, often have troubles with getting a “reward”, recognition of their ingenuity. They usually see a lot of positive possibilities in other people. However, when their ideas are offended, they can be very persistent. A negative trait: when they promise, it usually does not mean “I will certainly do”, often it means “I wish it would happen when somebody helps”.

    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: the intuition of the possibilities It possesses excellent intuition to the people. On the separate phrases, the intonation, the mimicry, the special features of behavior it sees the internal motivation of man. Easily it surmises, what that attains. Rapidly it is trained, since it knows how to grip the essence of problem. In it the fantasy is well developed: it devises histories, are constructed means, entertaining subjects. It is pulled to the talented and uncommon personalities. It knows how to encourage and to inspire people, making with them compliments, describing iridescent prospects. It proposes the different versions of the solution of one and the same problem. To it be occupied to intolerably by monotonous work. Its generating boredom repetition strongly suppresses.


    Concrete form:
    Gulenko: the intuition of the possibilities The prospect of new ideas and projects sees well. It is interested by all in the hope of in a row finding anything unique. Rapidly it rejects those ideas, which proved to be hopeless, and it is thrown to something new. It has diverse interests. Frequently its enthusiasm are in no way connected with the basic work. It is attempted to gather all discoveries and innovations on it the problem interesting. It generates daring, alternative ideas on any question, with which for it it only is necessary to contend, it does not transfer rutins also of the fetters of traditions. If the matter, by which it is forced to be occupied, it does not carry along, will give to it completely new revolution. It can propose the large number of applications to invention or to discovery. It is persistent and expansive in the propagation of its own developments. In order to catch fire by idea, it must make its "its".


    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Acc-Ne is tactical and carefree, it cares only about what it wants to be doing and starts doing it immediately. Cre-Ne is strategic and calculating, feels that Acc-Ne is hasty and flighty and is misusing its great talents. It feels that Acc-Ne will confuse issues unless Cre-Ne establishes control over it which it will quite possibly do. Acc-Ne will appreciate it's mirrors accomplishments, experience and opinions but feels its slowness dragging it down.

    Dual: Acc-Ne supports Acc-Si by providing worthy ideas and pointing out objects of interest that are worthy of being sought for.

    Activity: Acc-Ne and Cre-Si share the appreciation of personal tactical skills but one has concrete skills while the other has abstract talent. One utilizes great care in its efforts while the other will quickly proceed with whatever is at hand. These two are the greatest gurus and primadonnas of the work place and as such they can earn the respect of each other in ways no other type does. Concrete version of this activity partnership is generally more satisfying than the concrete one.

    Superego:
    Acc-Ne and Acc-Se share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Ne and Cre-Se share the air of confident action-orientedness but beyond this they have little in common. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Ne person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Acc-Ne and Acc-Ni are united in their drive to master the art of abstract thinking but where Acc-Ne will directly quickly suppose that his actions are correct though he might later return to redo his activities and again suppose the same thing, Acc-Ni will collect information doubting itself until it has the whole picture and constantly doubt itself. Acc-Ne will not appreciate Acc-Ni doubting it and feels this as insulting. From the outside it is often difficult to differentiate these two. Quadra spirit will generally be the easiest way.

    Quasi-identical
    Acc-Ne and Cre-Ni, relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. They are united in their 'carefree' abstract action but where Acc-Ne is out to show-off his talents Cre-Ni is out to solve an important-seeming problem. Both believe the other is getting undue credit, Cre-Ni presenting dull and uninteresting solutions and Acc-Ne producing only frivolities.

    Other issues:
    Acc-Ne is characterized by the 'childish' style of sexuality.


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Accepting Se (acc-se) = ESTp/ESFp

    Perceiving function:
    It relates to a natural state of things, observation of events such as they are. It doesn't involve agreements, ethics or sociality, it doesn't involve purpose. It's just things as they are.
    It requires judging functions to supply it with purpose and humanity and it supports judging functions by turning their hopes, beliefs and decisions into reality. By its actions changes the focus of a situation from the 'aristocratic' to the 'democratic' ie. enables one to concentrate on the situation that is instead of a principle, communal agreement or prevailing idea.

    Sensory function:
    It involves concrete details, concrete actions as opposed to abstractions. It can solve a certain number of problems effectively but it requires the support of intuition to point out where to direct its efforts. Sensory function can solve a problem but it's not useful in identifying the problem as a problem. By its actions a sensory function changes a 'thinking' situation into 'feeling'. This means that the obvious known and concrete characteristics of a situation have been redefined by concrete sensory action and that the new situation requires acceptance, relaxation and understanding. Using sensory functions also increases the possibilities of interaction in a situation as the acting person's actions are easy to identify. This creates new communal interests.

    Extrovert function:
    It involves individual objects rather than systems and rules. It is interested more in the questions of who and what than in the questions of how and why. Its fixation on particular objects allows it to examine them thoroughly, from many point of view and to find new characteristics in them. By the actions of this function an ordered flow of 'narrative' information turns into a disassembled, erratic, questioning 'taciturn' discussion, or playing with concepts. Extrovert functions are supported by the introvert ones by letting them avoid repeating mistakes and guiding their actions.

    Accepting function:
    This what one does without thinking. This is the function through which one focuses actions towards a single goal. This is not the same as being a focussed function by itself. This function turns the various interests of the 'result' group into the 'process' group and the 'process' group is the one that is focussed. The importance of this function is rather that it accepts a multitude of base resources, ideas and tasks. It is mobile and can be used in many situations which contrasts the creative functions that can only be used for very particular tasks. This does NOT mean that one is automatically weaker than the other as succesfull use of creative functions tends to create groundbreaking breakthroughs which are very important despite their relative rarity. The accepting functions are balanced rather than supported by the creating functions.

    Empowering function:
    It is a function that widens your area of interest, it's use creates great confidence in a person's ability. It changes the 'negativism' dichotomy' into 'positivism'. It signifies the crossing of personal limits, embarking on a personal adventure, looking for and finding self-confidence. It supports the limiting functions by taking responsibility away from them, making limits elsewhere easier to accept.

    Strategic function:
    It focuses on the bottom line, the thing you want. By it's action it separates the worthy from the unworthy, talented from untalented, the succesful from the unsuccesful. Without a goal, it's useless. It's point is to establish direction. By it's action it turns the 'construct-creating' into the 'emotion-creating'. By this action it turns the focus from the old, the known, into the new, the surprising and starts a new cycle. This is the function that casts off the creations that anchor you and sends you to the unknown. 'Strategic' functions require the support of 'Tactical' functions. A goal will not be reached unless someone does the actual work to get there.

    Calculating function:
    It is inclined to search for additional information, prepare in advance and not be swayed from its planned path by changes in the environment, for the plan must already be prepared for this contingency. By its action it changes the 'compliant' dichotomy to the 'obstinate' dichotomy. The use of this function creates a feeling of being prepared for anything, being able to take on great tasks and possessing a surplus of resources. A calculating function is balanced by 'carefree' functions.

    Acc-Se also changes the person's communication from 'business-like' to passionate.

    Resolute function:
    It is able to adapt and to make-do with whatever the environment offers. Finds success by taking and using everything and anything that's available. Willing to sacrifice but wants a high pay-off for it. Inclined to communal action and conformism. Focus on the needs of the situation rather than personal needs. By its actions turns the 'subjective and merry' into the 'objective and grave'. By its actions it decides the rules of the rat race and creates the normal society.

    Static funtion:
    It relates to a system of though in which the environment does not change by itself but it is the people who interact with it that set the rules of what happens.

    Irrational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which people establish general rules only when they are found necessary.

    Hot function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which there are important goals that are common to all people.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: This sensing function directs to occupation of space. People with this strong function are usually demanding people, which like when other people fulfill their wishes and demands. Sometimes they become managers, and sometimes – good sellers that can sell even unnecessary things. They often (but not always) have athletic, somewhat roundish figure, quick and demanding eyes. They are very persistent in the life: "If I want, then it should be achieved”, and they often gladly help other people – those who accept their leadership. Their outbursts of anger may fear some people, but in fact they are short-term – in several minutes they become calm again and restore their good mood.

    Abstract:
    Gulenko: program function: power sensorika Decisive person, capable of showing power pressure, if that situation requires. It is disposed to the victory by any price. The more the obstacles meets on the way, the more brave becomes and the more actively it begins. It is confident in its rightness, doubts and fluctuations are alien to it. It is categorical in the estimations. Last word leaves after itself. Vystavlyaet the ultimatum: once you me selected, then now be subordinated. It knows how to find the weakest place in enemy. If the straight attack of success does not bring, begins circuit from the side or from the rear. Frequently it acts through the third persons.

    Concrete:
    Gulenko: power sensorika It feels well the arrangement of forces. Rapidly it recovers, who is strong, and who is weak, on whom it is possible to press, but it is better not to touch whom. It gropes the weak places of people, with which it is close by sign. Influencing on the painful points, changes their behavior to the side advantageous for itself. Itself is not subordinated to attempts at the straight pressure. Deftly it uvorachivayetsya. It knows how for itself to postoyat'. It reacts violently, when they limit it in the selection. He commands those, who are less decisive and is less confident in itself. With the stronger partner it associates on the equal. Will always find method, as to focus on itself attention.

    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Acc-Se is strategic and calculating. It takes great care to have the correct goal in each situation ie. seek only what is available. Cre-Se is tactical and carefree. It seeks to melt into the situation unseen and take whatever becomes available through appropriate action. Cre-Se feels that Acc-Se is reaching for too much and going about it in a clumsy way. Acc-Se feels that Cre-Se is complacent and possibly stupid for not taking what's available in front of him. Yet Acc-Se tends to acquiesce and work around Cre-Se rather than confront it. They interact easily enough and respect each other's easily seen abilities.

    Dual: Acc-Se supports Acc-Ni by taking up challenges and targets that Acc-Ni suggests are worthwhile.

    Activity: Acc-Se and Cre-Ni share the appreciation of strategic direct approach and ability to see the most crucial and valuable things in the environment but one seeks to understand and nurture it while the other seeks to capture and guard it. These two are the most likely leaders of a major group, with Acc-Se being better able to capture leadership and Cre-Ni better able to use it when he manages to get it. The activity partnership is more satisfactory in its concrete than its abstract version.

    Superego:
    Acc-Se and Acc-Ne share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Se and Cre-Ne share the air of calculating choice of strategic goals but beyond this they have little in common. One is actually looking for something generally perfect that would in some strange way suit all its purposes while one is looking for something that is available and easy to get. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Se person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Acc-Se and Acc-Si are united in their drive to reach concrete goals by the most direct of means but where Acc-Se goals are common and carefully chosen, Acc-Si will try to reach outlandish and eccentric goals whenever they happen to suit its tastes. Acc-Se will not appreciate Acc-Si embarking on what it considers fool's errands and will often be disappointed by the results of cooperation. From the outside it is often difficult to differentiate these two. Quadra spirit will generally be the easiest way.

    Quasi-identical
    Acc-Se and Cre-Si, relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. They are united in their 'calculating' concrete action but where Cre-Si is a show-off, Acc-Se is trying to get the prize. Both believe the other is not as talented as they are and is getting undue praise.

    Other issues:
    Acc-Se is characterized by the 'aggressive' style of sexuality.


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Accepting Ni (acc-ni) = INFp/INTp

    Perceiving function:
    It relates to a natural state of things, observation of events such as they are. It doesn't involve agreements, ethics or sociality, it doesn't involve purpose. It's just things as they are.
    It requires judging functions to supply it with purpose and humanity and it supports judging functions by turning their hopes, beliefs and decisions into reality. By its actions changes the focus of a situation from the 'aristocratic' to the 'democratic' ie. enables one to concentrate on the situation that is instead of a principle, communal agreement or prevailing idea.

    Intuitive function:
    It involves abstraction, generalities, guesswork, approximation, sketching rather than concrete details. It looks for general, rather than specific usability, universally useful tools rather than tools for specific effect. It creates ideas and finds paths but is unwilling to do the legwork to walk the walk. By its actions an intuitive function changes a 'feeling' situation into a 'thinking' one. This means that the idea of what details of a situation matter and should be concentrated on, is born. Using intuitive functions generates enables one to find the relevant among the details, it creates focus and lessens the need to interact with the environment. Intuitive functions are supported by sensory ones and vice versa since the intuitive function guides the sensory function in its actions and the sensory function allows the actualization of the intuitive ideas.

    Introvert function:
    It is a systematic function, interested in cause and effect, understanding the rules of the things to which it is used. It is interested more in the questions of how and why rather than who and what. It is information about fields, graphs, maps rather than particular objects. By the actions of this function a questioning, erratic, case by case 'taciturn' action turns into an ordered, uninterrupted flow of 'narrative' information. Introvert functions require the support of extravert ones to yield them raw material for the perfection of their inner models, a base to which the model can be grounded and which it can serve.

    Limiting function:
    It is a function that reduces your field of interest, it pushes you away from frivolous, dangerous, off-limits interests towards the things that you need to focus in. It changes the 'positivism' cathegory into 'negativism'. It is not a subdued function despite this. Rather, it signifies seeking your limits and finally finding them, testing what you wish is true. When it finds its own limits it helps others cross theirs and thus supports the 'empowering' functions.

    Tactical function:
    It focuses on what it's doing. Methods are chosen according to personal interest, skill and relevance to task. The outcome is whatever is possible under circumstances and should be accepted as such. Can possess an unattached, mercenary or professional worker attitude. Importance given on talent and skill. By its action it turns the 'emotion-creating' into the 'construct-creating'. By this action it finds a personal sense of accomplishment, reaches a sense of finding it's place in the world which starts the conservative instinct.

    Calculating function:
    It is inclined to search for additional information, prepare in advance and not be swayed from its planned path by changes in the environment, for the plan must already be prepared for this contingency. By its action it changes the 'compliant' dichotomy to the 'obstinate' dichotomy. The use of this function creates a feeling of being prepared for anything, being able to take on great tasks and possessing a surplus of resources. A calculating function is balanced by 'carefree' functions.

    Acc-Ni also changes the person's communication from 'sincere' to cold.

    Resolute function:
    It is able to adapt and to make-do with whatever the environment offers. Finds success by taking and using everything and anything that's available. Willing to sacrifice but wants a high pay-off for it. Inclined to communal action and conformism. Focus on the needs of the situation rather than personal needs. By its actions turns the 'subjective and merry' into the 'objective and grave'. By its actions it decides the rules of the rat race and creates the normal society.

    Dynamic function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which the environment is in flow and people act according to its rules in whatever way they are able to.

    Irrational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which people establish general rules only when they are found necessary.

    Cold function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which goals are personal.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: This function, instead of lots of possibilities, considers people and the world as if flowing in a big and insuperable stream of time. What does people's potential mean when it cannot be realized? Fate rules the world. Their usual condition is something like meditation. However, in spite of such “Buddhist” vital philosophy, they are very smart in adaptation to different crises that happen in life, and stoically tolerate even somebody else's petty tyranny. They are intellectuals, but they do not often want to demonstrate their ideas, preferring that other people would pay attention to them, and for this reason often seem to be “passive”. In fact, they do not think they are “passive” – the “wait for the good moment”.


    Abstract:
    Gulenko: the intuition of the time In its behavior it is guided by intuitive presentiments. Because of this quality it is capable to survive in most difficult situation, since rapidly are distinguished artificiality, falsity, hypocrisy, degradation. It freely manages both its and strange time. It always acts in the manner that as if he has reserve of time. It puts aside much for tomorrow. Large dreamer and lyric nature. The pictures, which to it sketches the imagination, bright and bright, are much more attractive than everyday life. It believes in good future. It calms down people, moving in them hope by phrases about the fast changes to the best. Does not concentrate its attention in the errors of the past.

    Concrete:
    Gulenko: the intuition of the time Keenly observes after the flow of life. It thinly notices details and hardly the planned tendencies. It explains, what reasons led to the existing consequences. It is submerged in the past, the repetitive phenomena are studied. Because of the associatively organized memory and the love for the knowledge he is frequently scholar. Contradictions and actual errors in positions and opinions are revealed well. Possessing a philosophical turn of mind, it knows how to produce the impression of wise and man of vision. It is careful in decision making. It proceeds from the fact that it is necessary to slightly anticipate events. The safe version of actions is always selected.

    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Acc-Ni is tactical and calculating. It takes great pride in being able to always point out something smart and possessing a large base of knowledge on which to base its suggestions. It's opinions and positions on things are carefully crafted. It hates to be wrong about anything. Cre-Ni is carefree and strategic is inclined to believe it has natural ability to look at any given situation and find the best position to take. It will change it's opinion when and only when new information becomes available. Cre-Ni will generally have greater ease in explaining his ideas and this often causes situations in which he appears in a superior position to Acc-Ni. Cre-Ni is quick to take a position and Acc-Ni has to work around it.

    Dual: Acc-Se supports Acc-Ni by taking up challenges and targets that Acc-Ni suggests are worthwhile.

    Activity:
    Acc-Ni and Cre-Se share the interest in skillful action that lets them constantly be in the center of things without being singled out for errors and embarrassed. They tend to appear very proper, honored members of society but more likely to gain honor than concrete rewards. One partner serves as the society's hands, quickly doing whatever seems to be expected of him and the other serves as society's conscience and common sense, staying steadfast in all kinds of chaos. The activity partnership is more satisfactory in its abstract than its concrete form.

    Super-ego:
    Acc-Si and Acc-Ni share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Ni and Cre-Si share the air of avoiding failure like the plague, doing whatever it takes to perfect their skills, being prepared to succeed in whatever circumstances appear but beyond this they have little in common. Cre-Si is a show-off that requires much support to work at its best. Acc-Ni will rather hide its skills unless insulted or specifically called for. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Ni person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Acc-Ne and Acc-Ni are united in their drive to master the art of abstract thinking but where Acc-Ne will directly quickly suppose that his actions are correct though he might later return to redo his activities and again suppose the same thing, Acc-Ni will collect information doubting itself until it has the whole picture and constantly doubt itself. Acc-Ne will not appreciate Acc-Ni doubting it and feels this as insulting. From the outside it is often difficult to differentiate these two. Quadra spirit will generally be the easiest way.

    Quasi-identical:
    Acc-Ni and Cre-Ne, relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. They are united in their calculating abstract character but where Acc-Ni is out to just prove it's correctness once again, Cre-Ne is seeking the one perfect idea that will thereafter solve everything. Both believe the other is producing nothing of importance and getting undue credit, Acc-Ni quite willing to prove that Cre-Ne has failed in reaching its goal and Cre-Ne dismissing Acc-Ni for creating nothing of importance.

    Other issues:
    Acc-Ni is characterized by the 'victim' style of sexuality.
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    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Jonathan wrote:

    This is great stuff, thanks for posting it.
    I haven't had time to look in detail, but one thing catches my eye:

    Smilingeyes wrote:

    Acc-Si and Cre-Ni share the air of the self-confident goal-driven person



    From other posts, descriptions, etc., "the air of the self-confident goal-driven person" isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think of what's usually said about SEI. But that may be a problem with the description and posts, rather than what SEIs are truly like (?). They're often described as staying the background, a little shy, easy-going peacemakers, maybe even not sticking up for themselves as much as they should.

    I think your Gamma thread post also described them as wanting to tell their stories to others to feel better about things...didn't sound very self-confident and goal-oriented either.

    But maybe they're also self-confident and goal-driven too, and the descriptions and common perceptions about them are wrong. I could definitely see it that way too.



    Excellent of you to notice this!
    The difference with the Acc-Si and Cre-Ni is great. Cre-Ni is easily seen as a goal-driven person in the standard sense. Acc-Si is not. The reason is that Acc-Si has very concrete very personal goals. This goal is often called by people 'personal comfort' but it does not have to be. Think how acts a person who is very determined to reach the goal of getting to sit in a comfy chair and drink good wine. Why should he want something more? The goal is easily within his reach so the word 'driven' does not easily come to mind from this person but that's the way the motivation is built. He is certainly not task-driven. He'll do whatever he needs to to get the comfy chair and the wine but why should he do anything more? Why should he exert himself for anything else but reaching the goal?

    If the personal goal happens to be something big, yet reachable by the concrete efforts of a single person, you'll see the drivenness better, but even then the goal is personal and generally of little importance to other people. Therefore, Acc-Si people are infact driven but tremendously difficult to motivate and hence from the outside, it's often just easier to think that they're a bunch of lazy slobs.

    Edit: Self-confidence is quite apparent in the other types but you're correct about SiFe. It's the Creative Fe talking. Can't help that. Maybe I should change that part of the description somehow. I'll think about this...

    Edit2: Changed the part about self-confidence to point towards their confidence in the appraisal of goals, which is more correct.


    Smilingeyes wrote:


    Creating Se (cre-se) = ISTj/ISFj

    Perceiving function:
    It relates to a natural state of things, observation of events such as they are. It doesn't involve agreements, ethics or sociality, it doesn't involve purpose. It's just things as they are.
    It requires judging functions to supply it with purpose and humanity and it supports judging functions by turning their hopes, beliefs and decisions into reality. By its actions changes the focus of a situation from the 'aristocratic' to the 'democratic' ie. enables one to concentrate on the situation that is instead of a principle, communal agreement or prevailing idea.

    Sensory function:
    It involves concrete details, concrete actions as opposed to abstractions. It can solve a certain number of problems effectively but it requires the support of intuition to point out where to direct its efforts. Sensory function can solve a problem but it's not useful in identifying the problem as a problem. By its actions a sensory function changes a 'thinking' situation into 'feeling'. This means that the obvious known and concrete characteristics of a situation have been redefined by concrete sensory action and that the new situation requires acceptance, relaxation and understanding. Using sensory functions also increases the possibilities of interaction in a situation as the acting person's actions are easy to identify. This creates new communal interests.

    Extrovert function:
    It involves individual objects rather than systems and rules. It is interested more in the questions of who and what than in the questions of how and why. Its fixation on particular objects allows it to examine them thoroughly, from many point of view and to find new characteristics in them. By the actions of this function an ordered flow of 'narrative' information turns into a disassembled, erratic, questioning 'taciturn' discussion, or playing with concepts. Extrovert functions are supported by the introvert ones by letting them avoid repeating mistakes and guiding their actions.

    Creating function:
    This is what you concentrate on and are impressed by. This is a mile-stone, a worthy goal, a personal horizon and limit. Through success in the use of this function a great set of new personal possibilities arise. This function turns the focused action of the 'process' group into the multi-tasking hassle that is the 'result' group. The importance of this function is that it often reflects a person's greatest accomplishments, the result of all his efforts. It is generally concentrated for long periods on very particular tasks. The creating functions are balanced rather than supported by the accepting ones.

    Limiting function:
    It is a function that reduces your field of interest, it pushes you away from frivolous, dangerous, off-limits interests towards the things that you need to focus in. It changes the 'positivism' cathegory into 'negativism'. It is not a subdued function despite this. Rather, it signifies seeking your limits and finally finding them, testing what you wish is true. When it finds its own limits it helps others cross theirs and thus supports the 'empowering' functions.

    Tactical function:
    It focuses on what it's doing. Methods are chosen according to personal interest, skill and relevance to task. The outcome is whatever is possible under circumstances and should be accepted as such. Can possess an unattached, mercenary or professional worker attitude. Importance given on talent and skill. By its action it turns the 'emotion-creating' into the 'construct-creating'. By this action it finds a personal sense of accomplishment, reaches a sense of finding it's place in the world which starts the conservative instinct.

    Calculating function:
    It is inclined to search for additional information, prepare in advance and not be swayed from its planned path by changes in the environment, for the plan must already be prepared for this contingency. By its action it changes the 'compliant' dichotomy to the 'obstinate' dichotomy. The use of this function creates a feeling of being prepared for anything, being able to take on great tasks and possessing a surplus of resources. A calculating function is balanced by 'carefree' functions.

    Cre-Se also changes the person's communication from 'cold' to 'sincere'.

    Resolute function:
    It is able to adapt and to make-do with whatever the environment offers. Finds success by taking and using everything and anything that's available. Willing to sacrifice but wants a high pay-off for it. Inclined to communal action and conformism. Focus on the needs of the situation rather than personal needs. By its actions turns the 'subjective and merry' into the 'objective and grave'. By its actions it decides the rules of the rat race and creates the normal society.

    Static funtion:
    It relates to a system of though in which the environment does not change by itself but it is the people who interact with it that set the rules of what happens.

    Rational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which rules are created as a tool and followed until it's proven they need to be discarded.

    Cold function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which goals are personal.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: They may be misperceived for the quasi-identical types (Craftsman and Mediator with the dominant introverted sensing) for their very accurate manner of clothing, for the order that reigns in their apartments, at their workplaces, for their thrifty manner of life. However, they are internally mobilized, as if waiting for a war or an emergency situation, they tend to split the mankind into “our people” and the rest, they are much conservative in their views. And communicating with them at close distance, you will quickly understand that they do not tolerate objections, even though they look so calm and moderate. Stalin, Brezhnev, Richard Nixon, Boris Gryzlov (head of the Russian Parliament), Donald Rumsfeld are good examples of this type of politicians. Women of this type are usually beautiful and calm, but very much demanding, examples are Michelle Pfeiffer, Glenn Close, Celine Dion, Jacqueline Kennedy etc.

    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: power sensorika Sober realist: only as a feasible goals are set for itself, therefore in the majority of the cases it attains them, even not immediately. If explanations and warnings do not help, are included the pressure and other power methods of control. It knows how to press home enemy, forcing him into the angle. The stoic, who knows how to hold himself in the hands. It transfers any adversities. It forces itself to make that which is uninteresting, but it is necessary. It helps those, who is weak, defenseless. It is a guardian old and patients. He is imperceptible champion- lone person for the validity.

    Concrete form:
    Gulenko: power sensorika Skillfully is designed the force of action for man. It is not adapted to the partner, but it ties to it its line of behavior. It holds itself in the hands, until critical point begins. It is capable to defend for itself and its close ones. It does not transfer coercion, unreasonable application of force. Its rebuff is always matching the degree of the manifestation of aggression. It knows how to punish offender, consecutively increasing force of pressure on it. It will not be quieted until confusion and drop in the combat spirit of rival feels. Moral victory for it is more important than the physical. Never will make it possible to be turned with itself unceremonious, to tie its opinion. It cannot be intimidated or provoked.

    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Acc-Se is strategic and calculating. It takes great care to have the correct goal in each situation ie. seek only what is available. Cre-Se is tactical and carefree. It seeks to melt into the situation unseen and take whatever becomes available through appropriate action. Cre-Se feels that Acc-Se is reaching for too much and going about it in a clumsy way. Acc-Se feels that Cre-Se is complacent and possibly stupid for not taking what's available in front of him. Yet Acc-Se tends to acquiesce and work around Cre-Se rather than confront it. They interact easily enough and respect each other's easily seen abilities.

    Dual: Cre-Se supports Cre-Ni by prospering and cooperating in the reaching for the difficult but highly profitable objectives that Cre-Ni finds.

    Activity:
    Acc-Ni and Cre-Se share the interest in skillful action that lets them constantly be in the center of things without being singled out for errors and embarrassed. They tend to appear very proper, honored members of society but more likely to gain honor than concrete rewards. One partner serves as the society's hands, quickly doing whatever seems to be expected of him and the other serves as society's conscience and common sense, staying steadfast in all kinds of chaos. The activity partnership is more satisfactory in its abstract than its concrete form.

    Super-ego:
    Cre-Se and Cre-Ne share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Ne and Cre-Se share the air of confident action-orientedness but beyond this they have little in common. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Ne person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Cre-Si and Cre-Se are united in their drive to master concrete tasks in their environment but where Cre-Se will just assume the way he does things is correct unless someone complains, Cre-Si will try to do his work in such a way that nobody in their right mind will complain. Cre-Si is much more of a specialist, Cre-Se is mostly just an excellent worker. From the outside it is often difficult to differentiate these two. Quadra spirit will generally be the easiest way.

    Quasi-identical
    Acc-Si and Cre-Se, relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. They are united in their 'carefree' concrete action but where Acc-Si is out to reach a goal himself, Cre-Se is attempting to do his best and be rewarded. Both believe the other is taking the easy way.

    Other issues:
    Cre-Se is characterized by the 'aggressive' style of sexuality.


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Creating Ni (cre-ni) = ENFj/ENTj

    Perceiving function:
    It relates to a natural state of things, observation of events such as they are. It doesn't involve agreements, ethics or sociality, it doesn't involve purpose. It's just things as they are.
    It requires judging functions to supply it with purpose and humanity and it supports judging functions by turning their hopes, beliefs and decisions into reality. By its actions changes the focus of a situation from the 'aristocratic' to the 'democratic' ie. enables one to concentrate on the situation that is instead of a principle, communal agreement or prevailing idea.

    Intuitive function:
    It involves abstraction, generalities, guesswork, approximation, sketching rather than concrete details. It looks for general, rather than specific usability, universally useful tools rather than tools for specific effect. It creates ideas and finds paths but is unwilling to do the legwork to walk the walk. By its actions an intuitive function changes a 'feeling' situation into a 'thinking' one. This means that the idea of what details of a situation matter and should be concentrated on, is born. Using intuitive functions generates enables one to find the relevant among the details, it creates focus and lessens the need to interact with the environment. Intuitive functions are supported by sensory ones and vice versa since the intuitive function guides the sensory function in its actions and the sensory function allows the actualization of the intuitive ideas.

    Introvert function:
    It is a systematic function, interested in cause and effect, understanding the rules of the things to which it is used. It is interested more in the questions of how and why rather than who and what. It is information about fields, graphs, maps rather than particular objects. By the actions of this function a questioning, erratic, case by case 'taciturn' action turns into an ordered, uninterrupted flow of 'narrative' information. Introvert functions require the support of extravert ones to yield them raw material for the perfection of their inner models, a base to which the model can be grounded and which it can serve.

    Creating function:
    This is what you concentrate on and are impressed by. This is a mile-stone, a worthy goal, a personal horizon and limit. Through success in the use of this function a great set of new personal possibilities arise. This function turns the focused action of the 'process' group into the multi-tasking hassle that is the 'result' group. The importance of this function is that it often reflects a person's greatest accomplishments, the result of all his efforts. It is generally concentrated for long periods on very particular tasks. The creating functions are balanced rather than supported by the accepting ones.

    Empowering function:
    It is a function that widens your area of interest, it's use creates great confidence in a person's ability. It changes the 'negativism' dichotomy' into 'positivism'. It signifies the crossing of personal limits, embarking on a personal adventure, looking for and finding self-confidence. It supports the limiting functions by taking responsibility away from them, making limits elsewhere easier to accept.

    Strategic function:
    It focuses on the bottom line, the thing you want. By it's action it separates the worthy from the unworthy, talented from untalented, the succesful from the unsuccesful. Without a goal, it's useless. It's point is to establish direction. By it's action it turns the 'construct-creating' into the 'emotion-creating'. By this action it turns the focus from the old, the known, into the new, the surprising and starts a new cycle. This is the function that casts off the creations that anchor you and sends you to the unknown. 'Strategic' functions require the support of 'Tactical' functions. A goal will not be reached unless someone does the actual work to get there.

    Carefree function:
    It is inclined to immediate decisions through immediately available information. Personal risk is seen as small in relation to the profit gained by action. It feels a lack of useful resources and thus that it has little to lose. By its action it changes the 'obstinate' dichotomy into the 'compliant' dichotomy. This function regards the existing motivations and purposes either as already perfected, boring or irrelevant and turns a person's focus towards the resources needed to keep up the system. It is inclined to feel it has seen everything and wants more. A carefree function is balanced by 'calculating' functions.

    Cre-Ni also changes the person's style of communication from 'passionate' to 'business-like'.


    Resolute function:
    It is able to adapt and to make-do with whatever the environment offers. Finds success by taking and using everything and anything that's available. Willing to sacrifice but wants a high pay-off for it. Inclined to communal action and conformism. Focus on the needs of the situation rather than personal needs. By its actions turns the 'subjective and merry' into the 'objective and grave'. By its actions it decides the rules of the rat race and creates the normal society.

    Dynamic function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which the environment is in flow and people act according to its rules in whatever way they are able to.

    Rational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which rules are created as a tool and followed until it's proven they need to be discarded.

    Hot function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which there are important goals that are common to all people.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: They may be misperceived for the quasi-identical types (Seeker and Psychologist with the dominant extraverted intuition) for their intellectualism and ingenuity, for the abstract manner of explaining their views, for speaking a lot about “possibilities” and future perspectives, for having a lot of ideas concerning how thing should go on correctly. To understand the difference, let us consider a row of people representing the types Enterpriser and Mentor, i.e. with introverted intuition as the secondary function. This function entails certain kind of “prophet-like” or “preacher-like” behavior. Such people believe in magnificent perspectives, and they try to transfer their belief to other people, even when the situation is really bad and gloomy. Hitler, Reagan, Martin Luther King, Ceausescu, Trotsky, Goebbels, John F. Kennedy, Boris Yeltsin, Tony Blair, Che Guevara – some of these politicians had bad reputation, some are adored and admired, but they all had something important, a common trait that united them all – their “prophet-like” behavior, their capability to “infect” people with belief in the future, even when several minutes ago people were much dissatisfied of them.



    Abstract form:
    Gulenko:He has a good understanding the the development of situation in time. Sensing danger ---gotovigsya to it previously - thinks over the fallback positions. He warns people about the danger threatening to them. Men constantly koleblyushchiysya and being doubted. To it it is to not easy accept decision of major importance. However, after decision is made, no longer it will think over and will not turn back. Its world view in the course of time can be changed for diametrically contrary. It is internally very contradictory. Recovers falsity and nonconformity between the words and the real behavior of people. It is usually interested in the themes, connected with the fate and other mysterious phenomena. It loves to seclude and to reflect about the sense of life, the past and the future. All problems are examined from a global, philosophical point of view. ---

    Concrete form:
    Gulenko: the intuition of the time It intuitively recovers the basic tendencies of time. It does not fear to go to the risk, relying on its intuition. It always works on the lead, since he knows that it will be tomorrow late. One of the first beret to the armament new technologies and organizational forms. In the thoughts constantly it is turned to the past, analyzing the past events and extracting of them lessons to the future. Analyzing time, it attempts to find basic laws governing the fate. Uncommon, mysterious phenomena interest it. Attempts to verify them, to find by it logical substantiation.

    Relation to other functions:

    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Acc-Ni is tactical and calculating. It takes great pride in being able to always point out something smart and possessing a large base of knowledge on which to base its suggestions. It's opinions and positions on things are carefully crafted. It hates to be wrong about anything. Cre-Ni is carefree and strategic is inclined to believe it has natural ability to look at any given situation and find the best position to take. It will change it's opinion when and only when new information becomes available. Cre-Ni will generally have greater ease in explaining his ideas and this often causes situations in which he appears in a superior position to Acc-Ni. Cre-Ni is quick to take a position and Acc-Ni has to work around it.

    Dual: Cre-Se supports Cre-Ni by prospering and cooperating in the reaching for the difficult but highly profitable objectives that Cre-Ni finds.

    Activity: Acc-Se and Cre-Ni share the appreciation of strategic direct approach and ability to see the most crucial and valuable things in the environment but one seeks to understand and nurture it while the other seeks to capture and guard it. These two are the most likely leaders of a major group, with Acc-Se being better able to capture leadership and Cre-Ni better able to use it when he manages to get it. The activity partnership is more satisfactory in its concrete than its abstract version.

    Superego:
    Cre-Si and Cre-Ni share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Si and Cre-Ni share the air of the goal-driven person, with supreme ability to appraise the value of something but beyond this they have little in common. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Si person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Cre-Ne and Cre-Ni are united in their drive to reach an abstract ideal goal but where Cre-Ne will carefully identify the personally suitable goal, perfect goal and thereafter believe in it, Cre-Ni will pick a goal only for the time that is seems to work and change goals according to the situation, seeking united purpose with the environment. Cre-Ni will not appreciate the strict requirements of vision that Cre-Ne pushes on it and feels his company as constricting. From the outside it is often difficult to differentiate these two. Quadra spirit will generally be the easiest way.

    Quasi-identical
    Acc-Ne and Cre-Ni, relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. They are united in their 'carefree' abstract action but where Acc-Ne is out to show-off his talents Cre-Ni is out to solve an important-seeming problem. Both believe the other is getting undue credit, Cre-Ni presenting dull and uninteresting solutions and Acc-Ne producing only frivolities.

    Other issues:
    Cre-Ni is characterized by the 'victim' style of sexuality


    Smilingeyes wrote:

    Creating Fi (cre-fi) ESFp/ENFp

    Judging function:
    It relates to an artificial state of things, observation of the way things could be and how they should be. It consists of agreed upon and decided information, ethics, norms, sociality, purpose, infrastructure, social bonds, honor, beliefs, plans, abstractions and hierarchies. It's what we make of the world, it's our humanity. It requires perceiving functions to anchor it into what's actually happening around it and to enable it to create something with its intentions. By its actions it turns 'democratic' into 'aristocratic' ie. it institutionalizes information and structurizes human activity, creates social roles and groups out of individuals that used to interact with an environment out of their own interests.

    Feeling function:
    It involves feelings, ethics, hopes and everything that is human but can not be explained by logic or even fully described in words. It looks for generally applicable ways to make contact and interact with people. It is a personal vision gained from social interaction with people. By its actions it changes a 'sensory' situation into an 'intuitive' one. It softens a person's viewpoint and turns him towards generalities from the concrete specifics of a situation. Feeling functions support thinking ones by being able to accept their creations and emphatise with them and thinking functions support feeling ones by giving them structure and protecting them. Using a feeling function enables one to make a personal connection with something, create new value, create something out of nothing.

    Introvert function:
    It is a systematic function, interested in cause and effect, understanding the rules of the things to which it is used. It is interested more in the questions of how and why rather than who and what. It is information about fields, graphs, maps rather than particular objects. By the actions of this function a questioning, erratic, case by case 'taciturn' action turns into an ordered, uninterrupted flow of 'narrative' information. Introvert functions require the support of extravert ones to yield them raw material for the perfection of their inner models, a base to which the model can be grounded and which it can serve.

    Creating function:
    This is what you concentrate on and are impressed by. This is a mile-stone, a worthy goal, a personal horizon and limit. Through success in the use of this function a great set of new personal possibilities arise. This function turns the focused action of the 'process' group into the multi-tasking hassle that is the 'result' group. The importance of this function is that it often reflects a person's greatest accomplishments, the result of all his efforts. It is generally concentrated for long periods on very particular tasks. The creating functions are balanced rather than supported by the accepting ones.

    Limiting function:
    It is a function that reduces your field of interest, it pushes you away from frivolous, dangerous, off-limits interests towards the things that you need to focus in. It changes the 'positivism' cathegory into 'negativism'. It is not a subdued function despite this. Rather, it signifies seeking your limits and finally finding them, testing what you wish is true. When it finds its own limits it helps others cross theirs and thus supports the 'empowering' functions.

    Emotion-creating function:
    It focuses on finding new things, the need to learn, creating an accepting environment, working without preconceptions, checking things out by itself, giving its attention freely, openness. By it's action it changes the 'strategic' into the 'tactical'. It's as if it was looking for a path somewhere. The 'emotion-creating' functions are supported by the 'creation-creating' functions in that they offers ready-made solutions and models that the 'emotion-creating' can try out and in response it is willing to pay them what they ask for the service. Can become disarmed when taken seriously and asked for advice on issues it has yet to analyze.

    Obstinate function:
    It prefers to work with systems that are undiscussable, that are of subjective value rather than objective, purposes, morals, wishes and ideologies rather than tools. It will not care about opposition once it's selected something. By its actions it changes the 'calculating' into the 'carefree'. It gives of itself and uses all of its resources in behalf of what it believes in and when its all out and empty it looks for ways to do more. It is balanced rather than supported by its opposite, the 'compliant' functions.

    Cre-Fi also involves a 'passionate' style of communication.

    Objective/Grave function:
    It embodies the general way of society to do and see things. It's interests lie in upholding the society and being acceptable. It is formal and proper. By its action it changes the 'resolute' into the 'judicious', it finds the simple, easy, efficient path that gives you a surplus to spend. It is peaceful and subdued. Not good at noticing special requirements of people as society and the general correct way to act is supposed to provide and work for everyone.

    Static funtion:
    It relates to a system of though in which the environment does not change by itself but it is the people who interact with it that set the rules of what happens.

    Irrational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which people establish general rules only when they are found necessary.

    Hot function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which there are important goals that are common to all people.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: They may be misperceived for the quasi-identical types (Mentor and Bonvivant with the dominant extraverted ethic), because they are active, ever-smiling, often among people. However, their emotionality is quite different than that of rational extraverted ethic types. Both Psychologist and Politician do not like excessive emotions and try to negotiate rather than to awake excitement.

    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: the ethics of the relations Excellently it examines the system of the relations, which are added between the people. Knows how to say to man the fact that they want to hear from it. However, it does not hurry to carry out its promises, if he does not feel in this of special need. It balances between the interests of opposite camps, successfully conducting negotiations or dealing. If that its own interests require, easily it reconciles itself with the former enemies. He knows, as to fix relations. It is faster, it plays on the negative relations, the antipathies how positive connections very to break the been bored with relations difficultly. He tries to give to man to indirectly understand that it to it is not interesting. It does not love to allow to approach people to itself closely, since he feels, that this assigns on it the specific obligations. It easily starts acquaintances and more confident itself it feels in the large company, than in private and in the everyday situation.

    Concrete form:
    Gulenko: the ethics of the relations As no one by another examines the logic of human relations, especially to it are intelligible the reasons for complications and discords in the love and the friendship. To it to more easily preserve the fixed relations, than to restore torn. Sensitively it reacts on the antipathy. charming is sociable. It will know how to erect relation system with any man, provided it was to it interesting. He understands, with whom on what distance it is necessary to associate, although it is not always maintained. He knows that it is necessary to make in order to support the favorable psychological atmosphere in the association. It advises, as to associate with the man in order to become it necessary.

    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Cre-Fi is 'emotion-creating' and 'obstinate', it tries out ways of social interaction until it finally finds something that, for whatever reason, clicks and then it sticks with it. Acc-Fi is 'creation-creating' and 'compliant', it economically and carefully tends to what it is accustomed to. Cre-Fi will aggressively push itself on the territory of Acc-Fi and usually disappear as quickly and there's not that much that Acc-Fi can do about it. Acc-Fi tends to accept the interaction and hold on to another reality within himself.

    Dual: Cre-Fi supports Cre-Te by learning and sharing its ideology and working as its public face. Cre-Te supports Cre-Fi by creating a forceful, impressive environment and protecting it.

    Activity: Cre-Fi and Acc-Te share the willingness to test out anything that seems generally reasonable and be generally helpful. These are the generally most available people, most willing to cooperate and make things easier in their environment. Cre-Fi does this out of a vague but pressing sense that it should be done, Acc-Te sees it as an investment. Abstract version of this activity partnership is generally more satisfying than the concrete one.

    Super-ego:
    Cre-Fi and Cre-Ti share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Cre-Fi and Acc-Ti share the air of a true believer looking for a system to believe in but beyond this they have little in common. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Ti person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Cre-Fi and Cre-Fe are united in their ability to make friends quickly with any and all people but where Cre-Fi is looking for something to believe in, Cre-Fe is looking for something powerful and useful. Cre-Fi feels betrayed when he finds out the lack of values in Cre-Fe and feels their friendship as empty. From the outside it is often difficult to differentiate these two. Quadra spirit will generally be the easiest way.

    Quasi-identical:
    Cre-Fi and Acc-Fe, relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. They are united in their passionate ideals but where Cre-Fi pushes these ideals because he feels they're tested and true, Acc-Fe pushes his ideals because he can't help doing it, he's accustomed to them and they're all he's got. Both believe the other is tricking people.

    Other issues: cre-fi changes the style of person's sexuality from 'aggressive' to 'childish'


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Jonathan wrote:

    One other thing...do you take requests?



    Umm, yeah. If they're reasonable, I guess I do.

    Jonathan wrote:


    Since you're elaborating out each type in detail, along with information about relations, this is an excellent opportunity to specify the individualized super-ego and conflict dynamics of each of the various pairs, beyond the "standardized" explanation.



    I've been doing some individualization with conflict relations but not much. Superego relations don't lend themselves easily for such work, they're basically just opposite in every way the person can perceive, they're pretty much the same for everyone. Your superego partner is basically someone you understand perfectly but who fucks everything up it's pretty much the same way for everyone and the relation is so symmetric there's not much to say about it. It's basically the same reason I don't even bother to write an identity partner relation.

    Another thing is that the practical use of understanding the conflict and super-ego relations is generally low. The right thing to do when one is in a situation with either of these is simply to get the fuck out and fast (or at least to stay as far as possible).

    But yeah, ok, I hear you. When I get the basic version set up I'll see how much juice is left in my batteries and see what I can do.

    Jonathan wrote:


    More than anything, I'd love to see what you might come up with for these:

    accepting Ni
    accepting and creative Ti
    accepting and creative Ne


    I could do some extra work with a couple of functions, yeah. I just don't get what you mean with the above. I already wrote the acceptin Ni and both Ne descriptions. Or is this about relations? Would you like to see individualization in the conflict functions of these or what's this about?


    Jonathan wrote:
    Smilingeyes wrote:

    Or is this about relations? Would you like to see individualization in the conflict functions of these or what's this about?



    Exactly. Conflict, and especially super-ego if you'd be willing (although now I see that you had a specific reason not to individualize super ego). I like your general explanation just now of super-ego, although Expat's description of a super-ego relationship didn't sound quite like that.

    I seem to get along with ESIs very well; a lot of people think I'm LII, and sometimes I think I am (at least some of the time). But that would mean super ego here. I wonder if the fact that I'm a bit messy sometimes and ESIs like things so neat is an expression of "super ego relations," ....or if the fact that I may appear "angry" to them when concentrating very hard because I'm so expressionless might be.....but I don't know....these things are so mild and never really seem to be that big a problem. Mostly being with ESIs feels more like duality.

    I generally see SEIs as really nice people...can't see why I'd have any problems with them. They're always so sweet. But if I'm ILI, that means it's super-ego territory. I once had a roommate who was possibly SEI, and I couldn't stand the fact that he always had the T.V. on...and he couldn't stand the fact that I accidentally broke one of his dishes, and that for guests I played something modern instead of something relaxing. I was so glad when he moved out! So I wonder sometimes if that was super-ego. Anyhow, that person was a bit odd (although I'm sure I seemed very odd to him too), so the sense of conflict may have had nothing to do with type.

    It's hard to imagine how anyone could put up with someone who had to have the TV on all day and would be very mad with any suggestion of turning it off. Except that the guy I sublet from (who was cleary ILE) put up with him fine. I never figured out how he was able to live with him all year (I was just there for a summer).


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Dioklecian wrote:
    Razz Hi

    Cre-fi??


    Creating introvert ethics, you know, the function with which ESFps love

    Dioklecian wrote:
    As to the pm: I thought you might have some first hand knowledge. But even more, maybe you could streamline my own Te thinking, as it is not particularly well developed.


    Bah, Te doesn't know correct things to do with people, it creates them. Your Te should tell you to go to a girl, tell her that you are interested in getting to know her, and to get to know her better you need her name and phone number Smile Simple and practical does it. Problem's more that your Ni is telling you crap and it needs to shut the hell up. (only half joking)

    Dioklecian wrote:

    By the way, I still think of you as ENTJ, whatever that means.


    Thanks. At least one for ENTj. I get more of the 'I know you are ESFj, admit it!' people these days Razz Therefore, by averages, I must be ESTj! (again, only half joking)
    First eliminate every possible source of error. Thence success is inevitable.

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    FDG wrote:
    Smilingeyes wrote:


    Acc-Se: Hey, I want to do that and get that.
    Acc-Ni: Really? Why? If you go for that other thing instead you'd get 3x the payoff and it's be easier for you.

    Cre-Si tends to accept any goals that it can use its skills in. It tends to overapply those skills.
    Cre-Si: Look, if I did this and this I could turn this x into something really nice.
    Cre-Ne: That's fine but nobody wants you to do that. How about you do this other thing and I'd be real impressed.

    Any better?



    Very easy to understand, thanks Smile Gotcha!

    FDG wrote:


    Again, I'm not exactly sure what you want to know here. The text you quoted fundamentally meant only that a person with abstract acc-Se is an ESTp and works with Ti and a person with concrete acc-Se is an ESFp and works with Fi. Acc-Se by itself works fine with either and doesn't really care which it's working with.

    st = I do this and you'll have to accept it!
    sf = I could do this if that's okay with you?
    Is the ethical function a burden? In some circumstances yes, in others no.

    As to the duals
    nf = Oh, I sort of see what you are doing, that's very nice, have you thought about doing this as well?
    nt = I think you should do this instead.

    During the interaction of acc-Se and acc-Ni the sensory one progressively learns to trust more and more in the good guidance of the intuitive one and becomes more and more cooperative. The intuitive one assumes a more and more commanding role when s/he sees hir actions' effects on the behaviour of the sensory one.

    Did I answer your question?



    I probably misidentified "acceptance, relaxation and understanding" with feeling preference; looking back, it's clearly not necessarily the case.

    Smilingeyes wrote:


    Nicely noticed! Very Happy But in fact it doesn't. The rules of the rat race that I'm referring to are working rules: you pay the taxes, you go to work, you don't kill people and in your shop you have a sale after christmas. Beta sets the rules of competition, what you have to do not to become a broke homeless street-walker. Gamma institutionalizes these rules. There's no ethics, no communal agreement on the rat race. People try to change these rules constantly and break them constantly. Few people think they're unsocial or unethical or worthy of punishment for breaking these rules. Yet, still they suffer for it. If you break the rules and succeed, in ten months everyone is breaking the same rule and a new rule is established. These are the rules of how things just are.



    Gotcha Smile


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Creating Te (cre-te) = INTp/ISTp

    Judging function:
    It relates to an artificial state of things, observation of the way things could be and how they should be. It consists of agreed upon and decided information, ethics, norms, sociality, purpose, infrastructure, social bonds, honor, beliefs, plans, abstractions and hierarchies. It's what we make of the world, it's our humanity. It requires perceiving functions to anchor it into what's actually happening around it and to enable it to create something with its intentions. By its actions it turns 'democratic' into 'aristocratic' ie. it institutionalizes information and structurizes human activity, creates social roles and groups out of individuals that used to interact with an environment out of their own interests.

    Thinking function:
    It involves plans, hierarchies, structure, reductionism, dogmas, sophistry, arguments, power, authority and all attempts to force human experiences and ideas into strict forms and definitions. It looks for powerful structures with which to control and modulate the environment and force others to adapt to it. It hardens a person's viewpoint and turns him towards the specific applications of his ideas from their abstract roots. By taking such a firm standpoint, an idea becomes open to criticism but tends to refuse open contact with it. Thinking functions support feeling ones by protecting them and feeling functions support thinking ones by accepting them. Using a thinking function establishes a viewpoint, takes a stand, establishes a territory.

    Extrovert function:
    It involves individual objects rather than systems and rules. It is interested more in the questions of who and what than in the questions of how and why. Its fixation on particular objects allows it to examine them thoroughly, from many point of view and to find new characteristics in them. By the actions of this function an ordered flow of 'narrative' information turns into a disassembled, erratic, questioning 'taciturn' discussion, or playing with concepts. Extrovert functions are supported by the introvert ones by letting them avoid repeating mistakes and guiding their actions.

    Creating function:
    This is what you concentrate on and are impressed by. This is a mile-stone, a worthy goal, a personal horizon and limit. Through success in the use of this function a great set of new personal possibilities arise. This function turns the focused action of the 'process' group into the multi-tasking hassle that is the 'result' group. The importance of this function is that it often reflects a person's greatest accomplishments, the result of all his efforts. It is generally concentrated for long periods on very particular tasks. The creating functions are balanced rather than supported by the accepting ones.

    Empowering function:
    It is a function that widens your area of interest, it's use creates great confidence in a person's ability. It changes the 'negativism' dichotomy' into 'positivism'. It signifies the crossing of personal limits, embarking on a personal adventure, looking for and finding self-confidence. It supports the limiting functions by taking responsibility away from them, making limits elsewhere easier to accept.

    Creation-creating function:
    It focuses on what it already knows, is accustomed to, loves, feels bound by, being busy with little time for new things. It only accepts input that is in a familiar form. By its actions it changes the 'tactical' into the 'strategic'. It wears out ideas till they break and till he finally he gets tired of them. It is as if it was working towards a finish line. It takes routine to its natural conclusion. It can become unsettled and disarmed when forced to face something new, powerful and surprising. The 'emotion-creating' functions are supported by the 'creation-creating' functions in that they offers ready-made solutions and models that the 'emotion-creating' can try out and in response it is willing to pay them what they ask for the service.

    Obstinate function:
    It prefers to work with systems that are undiscussable, that are of subjective value rather than objective, purposes, morals, wishes and ideologies rather than tools. It will not care about opposition once it's selected something. By its actions it changes the 'calculating' into the 'carefree'. It gives of itself and uses all of its resources in behalf of what it believes in and when its all out and empty it looks for ways to do more. It is balanced rather than supported by its opposite, the 'compliant' functions.

    Cre-Te also involves a 'cold' style of communication.

    Objective/Grave function:
    It embodies the general way of society to do and see things. It's interests lie in upholding the society and being acceptable. It is formal and proper. By its action it changes the 'resolute' into the 'judicious', it finds the simple, easy, efficient path that gives you a surplus to spend. It is peaceful and subdued. Not good at noticing special requirements of people as society and the general correct way to act is supposed to provide and work for everyone.

    Dynamic function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which the environment is in flow and people act according to its rules in whatever way they are able to.

    Irrational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which people establish general rules only when they are found necessary.

    Cold function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which goals are personal.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: They may be misperceived for the quasi-identical types (Analyst and Inspector with the dominant introverted logic) for their calm logical emotionless manner of explaining their views, and for certain vital conservatism. However, the difference is, that they do not strive for being consistent and systematic in their thoughts – on the contrary, they strive for adaptation to ever-changing situation, and thus their sayings often look incomplete or vague. Carl Gustav Jung, although some typologists think he was an Analyst, not Critic, wrote in a very vague, ambiguous way, often left his ideas uncompleted, and even his typology was for him just a “by-product”. Often the facial expression of Critics and Craftsmen is skeptical, with a characteristic grin (Critic: Meg Ryan, Woody Allen; Craftsman: Meryl Streep, Harvey Keitel). They prefer not to present their own concepts but rather to criticize our people for imperfect, contradictory concepts. These two types may be also called “anti-enthusiasts” – they like to warn other people against insufficiently considered, unreasoned spontaneous actions, and hate very much excessive emotions.

    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: the business logic In the mind it checks the logic of actions and expenditure of resources, as if reducing the balance of useful and useless. The aim is to find the shortest and most advantageous way target. It is thrifty in the rotation with the money. It knows how to make reserves. Incomes constantly are checked. It searches for places and methods of advantageous financial investments. Before beginning work, thoroughly thinks over its technology, and also is gathered entire participating to the matter information at the current moment. It directs its business efforts to the creation of steady structures. Tracks state of affairs in it the region interesting and knows how with the benefit to use the accumulated information. It is oriented well in the changes on the market for goods and services. It starts card indexes, data bases, archives, collections.

    Concrete form:
    Gulenko: He works well with his hands. Things must prove to be absolutely unworkable before he will dismiss an idea. He has a very logical mind. The simplest most objective solutions are found for all problems. Before undertaking a matter, he thinks over several ways of reaching the desired result and stops on the most economical. He works in a way that is convenient for him without paying much attention to others. He takes note of people, that elude or loaf. He wants these people to either complete their tasks or to remove themselves. He does only what is necessary. He skillfully manages tools and technical adaptations. He strives to improve upon himself.

    Relation to other functions:

    Mirror:
    Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Cre-Te is 'creation-creating' and 'obstinate', it's nihilistic, knows everything for certain and is not willing to discuss any of it. Acc-Te is 'emotion-creating' and 'compliant' open to all new ideas but keeps them only if they prove useful in concrete ways. Cre-Te takes care of its own caring little for Acc-Te, Acc-Te is forced to try to find a way to work with it and often succeeds in working around the Cre-Te viewpoint.

    Dual: Cre-Fi supports Cre-Te by learning and sharing its ideology and working as its public face. Cre-Te supports Cre-Fi by creating a forceful, impressive environment and protecting it.

    Activity: Cre-Te and Acc-Fi share the unbudging upholding of personal systems. These are the respectable conservatives, who strictly enforce the traditions of the society. Acc-Fi does this because it's easy, natural and doesn't force him to let go of anything he holds dear. Cre-Te does this because it feels its the only proven and correct way to act and it would be wrong to act any different.

    Super-ego:
    Cre-Te and Cre-Fe share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Cre-Te and Acc-Fe share the air of the ideological fanatic, both projecting their personal systems around them, Cre-Te because it feels the system has been proven time and again everywhere around it, Acc-Fe because it feels this is a task that just personally belongs to him. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Fe person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Cre-Te and Cre-Ti are united in their ability to make others see things their way, but where Cre-Te does this because he believes he's right, Cre-Ti does this because he's protecting his interests. Cre-Ti will feel initial respect at a formidable opponent but after his attempts in friendly cooperation against other targets is likewise thrown in his face, Cre-Ti will feel disrespected and betrayed by an unreasonable person.

    Quasi-identical
    Cre-Te and Acc-Ti are united in their ability to coolly not budge in the face of opposing opinions and guard what they see important but where Acc-Ti is willing to test it's ability and face obstacles to prove it's correct which it tends to succeed in because it sets the rules for the test, Cre-Te just knows this a priori and feels challenges to it are something like a bad joke. Relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. Both believe the other is full of crap.

    Other issues: cre-te changes the style of person's sexuality from 'victim' to 'caretaking'


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Accepting Fi (acc-fi) ISFj/INFj

    Judging function:
    It relates to an artificial state of things, observation of the way things could be and how they should be. It consists of agreed upon and decided information, ethics, norms, sociality, purpose, infrastructure, social bonds, honor, beliefs, plans, abstractions and hierarchies. It's what we make of the world, it's our humanity. It requires perceiving functions to anchor it into what's actually happening around it and to enable it to create something with its intentions. By its actions it turns 'democratic' into 'aristocratic' ie. it institutionalizes information and structurizes human activity, creates social roles and groups out of individuals that used to interact with an environment out of their own interests.

    Feeling function:
    It involves feelings, ethics, hopes and everything that is human but can not be explained by logic or even fully described in words. It looks for generally applicable ways to make contact and interact with people. It is a personal vision gained from social interaction with people. By its actions it changes a 'sensory' situation into an 'intuitive' one. It softens a person's viewpoint and turns him towards generalities from the concrete specifics of a situation. Feeling functions support thinking ones by being able to accept their creations and emphatise with them and thinking functions support feeling ones by giving them structure and protecting them. Using a feeling function enables one to make a personal connection with something, create new value, create something out of nothing.

    Introvert function:
    It is a systematic function, interested in cause and effect, understanding the rules of the things to which it is used. It is interested more in the questions of how and why rather than who and what. It is information about fields, graphs, maps rather than particular objects. By the actions of this function a questioning, erratic, case by case 'taciturn' action turns into an ordered, uninterrupted flow of 'narrative' information. Introvert functions require the support of extravert ones to yield them raw material for the perfection of their inner models, a base to which the model can be grounded and which it can serve.

    Accepting function:
    This what one does without thinking. This is the function through which one focuses actions towards a single goal. This is not the same as being a focussed function by itself. This function turns the various interests of the 'result' group into the 'process' group and the 'process' group is the one that is focussed. The importance of this function is rather that it accepts a multitude of base resources, ideas and tasks. It is mobile and can be used in many situations which contrasts the creative functions that can only be used for very particular tasks. This does NOT mean that one is automatically weaker than the other as succesfull use of creative functions tends to create groundbreaking breakthroughs which are very important despite their relative rarity. The accepting functions are balanced rather than supported by the creating functions.

    Empowering function:
    It is a function that widens your area of interest, it's use creates great confidence in a person's ability. It changes the 'negativism' dichotomy' into 'positivism'. It signifies the crossing of personal limits, embarking on a personal adventure, looking for and finding self-confidence. It supports the limiting functions by taking responsibility away from them, making limits elsewhere easier to accept.

    Creation-creating function:
    It focuses on what it already knows, is accustomed to, loves, feels bound by, being busy with little time for new things. It only accepts input that is in a familiar form. By its actions it changes the 'tactical' into the 'strategic'. It wears out ideas till they break and till he finally he gets tired of them. It is as if it was working towards a finish line. It takes routine to its natural conclusion. It can become unsettled and disarmed when forced to face something new, powerful and surprising. The 'emotion-creating' functions are supported by the 'creation-creating' functions in that they offers ready-made solutions and models that the 'emotion-creating' can try out and in response it is willing to pay them what they ask for the service.

    Compliant function:
    It prefers to work with systems that are discussable, that are of generally accepted value, tools, resources, rather than purposes, morals, wishes and ideologies. It takes the opinions and actions of others seriously and has sort of triggers that will get a strong reaction out of it. It tries to collect as much of everything as it can so that it feels it has a firm base from which to act and deals away only what it knows will come back with interest. It is balanced rather than supported by its opposite, the 'obstinate' functions. By its actions it changes the 'carefree' into the 'calculating'.

    Acc-Fi also involves a 'sincere' style of communication.

    Objective/Grave function:
    It embodies the general way of society to do and see things. It's interests lie in upholding the society and being acceptable. It is formal and proper. By its action it changes the 'resolute' into the 'judicious', it finds the simple, easy, efficient path that gives you a surplus to spend. It is peaceful and subdued. Not good at noticing special requirements of people as society and the general correct way to act is supposed to provide and work for everyone.

    Static funtion:
    It relates to a system of though in which the environment does not change by itself but it is the people who interact with it that set the rules of what happens.

    Rational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which rules are created as a tool and followed until it's proven they need to be discarded.

    Cold function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which goals are personal.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: This function is inertial; many emotions are inside such a person, but they do not go outwards, and rather stay “conserved”. Such people are very passionate in evaluating other people, but from outside they seem to be “emotionless”, smiling just as much as etiquette requires. They are good spectators of relations: in a small collective, they very quickly feel who has which relations with whom. They can work with people – as lawyers, pedagogues, etc. However, being so attentive to people's relations, they do not like, even more, they are afraid of “intellectual initiative”, do not like arguing, because it can “break” or just significantly change relations with other people.

    Abstract form: He understands the complexities of human relations rather well. The behavior of those around him is judged critically, but he will only voice his opinion if ask. Upon first meeting he often divides people into two categories, the kindred and the strangers. He is very close to his family and friends; he feels a responsibility for them. He is accurate in his first impressions of others, and it is very hard to sway his first perception. With difficulty he compromises with strangers. He easily forgives, and over comes psychological distance.

    Concrete form: The ethics of relationships are well understood among all people. He is aware of who gets along and does not get along with whom. He is prone to superfluous trustfulness. He has a great trust in the honesty and decency of others around him. Treason and treachery are not easily forgiven. He differs in tones of courtesy and softness in debate. Humanitarianism often manifests itself in daily matters. He avoids declarations and beautiful words. He is most generous. He knows how to pardon even his enemies, if they have sincerely confessed. Democratic relationships are maintained with all he knows.

    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Cre-Fi is 'emotion-creating' and 'obstinate', it tries out ways of social interaction until it finally finds something that, for whatever reason, clicks and then it sticks with it. Acc-Fi is 'creation-creating' and 'compliant', it economically and carefully tends to what it is accustomed to. Cre-Fi will aggressively push itself on the territory of Acc-Fi and usually disappear as quickly and there's not that much that Acc-Fi can do about it. Acc-Fi tends to accept the interaction and hold on to another reality within himself.

    Dual: Acc-Fi and Acc-Te cooperate in creating an easy and hospitable environment without nonsense. Acc-Fi provides the content, Acc-Te provides the public face for the system and protection.

    Activity: Cre-Te and Acc-Fi share the unbudging upholding of personal systems. These are the respectable conservatives, who strictly enforce the traditions of the society. Acc-Fi does this because it's easy, natural and doesn't force him to let go of anything he holds dear. Cre-Te does this because it feels its the only proven and correct way to act and it would be wrong to act any different.

    Super-ego:
    Acc-Ti and Acc-Fi share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Fi and Cre-Ti share the air of a watchgul guardian of personal resources and territory, Cre-Ti tries to enlarge his territory directly by forcing others to cede control, Acc-Fi enlargens its territory by becoming accustomed to circumstances and considering as its own wealth the success of people around it, it rules by surrogates. Cre-Ti considers that everything that he can get is his. Acc-Fi considers that everything that he is allowed to have is his. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Fi person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Acc-Fi and Acc-Fe are united in their unlimited, untouchable supply of faith faith, but where Acc-Fe tries to push his faith aggressively to others, Acc-Fi keeps his as a personal reserve of power, because despite its magnitude, Acc-Fi does not trust its faith and will not show it to others. Acc-Fe tries to motivate Acc-Fi into taking a leap of faith and taking a stand for his beliefs but he will be disappointed, not understanding that standing back in humility is the Acc-Fi version of a leap of faith.

    Quasi-identical:
    Acc-Fi and Cre-Fe are united in their ability to keep up and support people that are important to them and work through these surrogates but where Acc-Fi does this because he feels its the correct way that he must use, Cre-Fe does it for fun. Relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. Both believe the other is a bad influence on people.

    Other issues: Acc-Fi changes the style of person's sexuality from 'aggressive' to 'childish'.


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Accepting Te (acc-te) = ENTj/ESTj

    Judging function:
    It relates to an artificial state of things, observation of the way things could be and how they should be. It consists of agreed upon and decided information, ethics, norms, sociality, purpose, infrastructure, social bonds, honor, beliefs, plans, abstractions and hierarchies. It's what we make of the world, it's our humanity. It requires perceiving functions to anchor it into what's actually happening around it and to enable it to create something with its intentions. By its actions it turns 'democratic' into 'aristocratic' ie. it institutionalizes information and structurizes human activity, creates social roles and groups out of individuals that used to interact with an environment out of their own interests.

    Thinking function:
    It involves plans, hierarchies, structure, reductionism, dogmas, sophistry, arguments, power, authority and all attempts to force human experiences and ideas into strict forms and definitions. It looks for powerful structures with which to control and modulate the environment and force others to adapt to it. It hardens a person's viewpoint and turns him towards the specific applications of his ideas from their abstract roots. By taking such a firm standpoint, an idea becomes open to criticism but tends to refuse open contact with it. Thinking functions support feeling ones by protecting them and feeling functions support thinking ones by accepting them. Using a thinking function establishes a viewpoint, takes a stand, establishes a territory.

    Extrovert function:
    It involves individual objects rather than systems and rules. It is interested more in the questions of who and what than in the questions of how and why. Its fixation on particular objects allows it to examine them thoroughly, from many point of view and to find new characteristics in them. By the actions of this function an ordered flow of 'narrative' information turns into a disassembled, erratic, questioning 'taciturn' discussion, or playing with concepts. Extrovert functions are supported by the introvert ones by letting them avoid repeating mistakes and guiding their actions.

    Accepting function:
    This what one does without thinking. This is the function through which one focuses actions towards a single goal. This is not the same as being a focussed function by itself. This function turns the various interests of the 'result' group into the 'process' group and the 'process' group is the one that is focussed. The importance of this function is rather that it accepts a multitude of base resources, ideas and tasks. It is mobile and can be used in many situations which contrasts the creative functions that can only be used for very particular tasks. This does NOT mean that one is automatically weaker than the other as succesfull use of creative functions tends to create groundbreaking breakthroughs which are very important despite their relative rarity. The accepting functions are balanced rather than supported by the creating functions.

    Limiting function:
    It is a function that reduces your field of interest, it pushes you away from frivolous, dangerous, off-limits interests towards the things that you need to focus in. It changes the 'positivism' cathegory into 'negativism'. It is not a subdued function despite this. Rather, it signifies seeking your limits and finally finding them, testing what you wish is true. When it finds its own limits it helps others cross theirs and thus supports the 'empowering' functions.

    Emotion-creating function:
    It focuses on finding new things, the need to learn, creating an accepting environment, working without preconceptions, checking things out by itself, giving its attention freely, openness. By it's action it changes the 'strategic' into the 'tactical'. It's as if it was looking for a path somewhere. The 'emotion-creating' functions are supported by the 'creation-creating' functions in that they offers ready-made solutions and models that the 'emotion-creating' can try out and in response it is willing to pay them what they ask for the service. Can become disarmed when taken seriously and asked for advice on issues it has yet to analyze.

    Compliant function:
    It prefers to work with systems that are discussable, that are of generally accepted value, tools, resources, rather than purposes, morals, wishes and ideologies. It takes the opinions and actions of others seriously and has sort of triggers that will get a strong reaction out of it. It tries to collect as much of everything as it can so that it feels it has a firm base from which to act and deals away only what it knows will come back with interest. It is balanced rather than supported by its opposite, the 'obstinate' functions. By its actions it changes the 'carefree' into the 'calculating'.

    Acc-Te also involves a 'business-like' style of communication.

    Objective/Grave function:
    It embodies the general way of society to do and see things. It's interests lie in upholding the society and being acceptable. It is formal and proper. By its action it changes the 'resolute' into the 'judicious', it finds the simple, easy, efficient path that gives you a surplus to spend. It is peaceful and subdued. Not good at noticing special requirements of people as society and the general correct way to act is supposed to provide and work for everyone.


    Dynamic function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which the environment is in flow and people act according to its rules in whatever way they are able to.

    Rational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which rules are created as a tool and followed until it's proven they need to be discarded.

    Hot function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which there are important goals that are common to all people.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov:
    It estimates everything in terms of efficiency: not abstract analysis, but "how to make it work?", and not systems, but methods. They are energetic, active, and mobile. As scientists, they are strong in improvement of methods, but often they choose a business career. However, people who work together with them, often blame these types of being "too dry, cold-hearted", even in spite of their high emotionality. In general, this type of thinking may be called “algorithmic”.

    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: the business logic It sees well the possibilities of the new matters. He knows, as to turn the matter so that it would bring the perceptible benefit. It criticizes those, who deal, from its point of view, with useless theories. It is enterprising and light to the lift. He frequently is fascinated by the dynamic forms of sport - marches, by tourism, mountain climbing, run and the like it does not fear missions and passages but new places. It boldly advances business initiative and persistently attains its realization. If the possibilities of project are exhausted, rapidly it is thrown to new direction. It knows how to be turned with the finances. It attempts to hold its cash resources in turnover, playing on the difference of prices. The basic levers of material interest are concentrated in its hands.

    Concrete form:
    Gulenko: He is an energetic and operational person. It is said that he can work more in an hour then less efficient people can work in a day. He is a champion for the quality, the reliability and the productivity of labor. He is interested in daring, nonstandard technological solutions. He must rationalize every activity. He is zealous and economical. He has the urge to provide well for himself and his family. He skillfully exploits technology. He possesses an exceptionally practical turn of mind. Everything is evaluated from the point of view of expediency and usefulness. He teaches people how to use their minds effectively.


    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror:
    Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Cre-Te is 'creation-creating' and 'obstinate', it's nihilistic, knows everything for certain and is not willing to discuss any of it. Acc-Te is 'emotion-creating' and 'compliant' open to all new ideas but keeps them only if they prove useful in concrete ways. Cre-Te takes care of its own caring little for Acc-Te, Acc-Te is forced to try to find a way to work with it and often succeeds in working around the Cre-Te viewpoint.

    Dual: Acc-Fi and Acc-Te cooperate in creating an easy and hospitable environment without nonsense. Acc-Fi provides the content, Acc-Te provides the public face for the system and protection.

    Activity: Cre-Fi and Acc-Te share the willingness to test out anything that seems generally reasonable and be generally helpful. These are the generally most available people, most willing to cooperate and make things easier in their environment. Cre-Fi does this out of a vague but pressing sense that it should be done, Acc-Te sees it as an investment. Abstract version of this activity partnership is generally more satisfying than the concrete one.

    Superego:
    Acc-Te and Acc-Fe share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Te and Cre-Fe share the air of a person who cultivates people, Cre-Fe picks strong, powerful people who it tries to tame and be tamed by, Acc-Te picks weak, subdued people who it tries to support, enhance and be employed by. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Te person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Acc-Te and Acc-Ti are united in their willingness to test intellectual structures and theories, but where Acc-Ti makes his choice of theories on intensely personal criteria of what he knows must be true, Acc-Te tests if the theory has some use in his environment. Acc-Te tends to apply models directly whereas Acc-Ti tends to situationally adapt them. When a model fails, Acc-Te tends to be the one that suffers the consequences and bitter if the origin of the model was the Acc-Ti.

    Quasi-identical:
    Acc-Te and Cre-Ti are united in their business-like dealing with people, considering them as recources, but where Acc-Te is willing to look for where the profit from each relationship could come from, Cre-Ti tends to force every relationship under the same rules that have worked for him before. Relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Both think the methods of the other are risky and that the other is lucky when he's succesful.

    Other issues: acc-te changes the style of person's sexuality from 'victim' to 'caretaking'


    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Creating Fe (cre-fe) = ISFp/INFp

    Judging function:
    It relates to an artificial state of things, observation of the way things could be and how they should be. It consists of agreed upon and decided information, ethics, norms, sociality, purpose, infrastructure, social bonds, honor, beliefs, plans, abstractions and hierarchies. It's what we make of the world, it's our humanity. It requires perceiving functions to anchor it into what's actually happening around it and to enable it to create something with its intentions. By its actions it turns 'democratic' into 'aristocratic' ie. it institutionalizes information and structurizes human activity, creates social roles and groups out of individuals that used to interact with an environment out of their own interests.

    Feeling function:
    It involves feelings, ethics, hopes and everything that is human but can not be explained by logic or even fully described in words. It looks for generally applicable ways to make contact and interact with people. It is a personal vision gained from social interaction with people. By its actions it changes a 'sensory' situation into an 'intuitive' one. It softens a person's viewpoint and turns him towards generalities from the concrete specifics of a situation. Feeling functions support thinking ones by being able to accept their creations and emphatise with them and thinking functions support feeling ones by giving them structure and protecting them. Using a feeling function enables one to make a personal connection with something, create new value, create something out of nothing.

    Extrovert function:
    It involves individual objects rather than systems and rules. It is interested more in the questions of who and what than in the questions of how and why. Its fixation on particular objects allows it to examine them thoroughly, from many point of view and to find new characteristics in them. By the actions of this function an ordered flow of 'narrative' information turns into a disassembled, erratic, questioning 'taciturn' discussion, or playing with concepts. Extrovert functions are supported by the introvert ones by letting them avoid repeating mistakes and guiding their actions.

    Creating function:
    This is what you concentrate on and are impressed by. This is a mile-stone, a worthy goal, a personal horizon and limit. Through success in the use of this function a great set of new personal possibilities arise. This function turns the focused action of the 'process' group into the multi-tasking hassle that is the 'result' group. The importance of this function is that it often reflects a person's greatest accomplishments, the result of all his efforts. It is generally concentrated for long periods on very particular tasks. The creating functions are balanced rather than supported by the accepting ones.

    Empowering function:
    It is a function that widens your area of interest, it's use creates great confidence in a person's ability. It changes the 'negativism' dichotomy' into 'positivism'. It signifies the crossing of personal limits, embarking on a personal adventure, looking for and finding self-confidence. It supports the limiting functions by taking responsibility away from them, making limits elsewhere easier to accept.

    Emotion-creating function:
    It focuses on finding new things, the need to learn, creating an accepting environment, working without preconceptions, checking things out by itself, giving its attention freely, openness. By it's action it changes the 'strategic' into the 'tactical'. It's as if it was looking for a path somewhere. The 'emotion-creating' functions are supported by the 'creation-creating' functions in that they offers ready-made solutions and models that the 'emotion-creating' can try out and in response it is willing to pay them what they ask for the service. Can become disarmed when taken seriously and asked for advice on issues it has yet to analyze.


    Compliant function:
    It prefers to work with systems that are discussable, that are of generally accepted value, tools, resources, rather than purposes, morals, wishes and ideologies. It takes the opinions and actions of others seriously and has sort of triggers that will get a strong reaction out of it. It tries to collect as much of everything as it can so that it feels it has a firm base from which to act and deals away only what it knows will come back with interest. It is balanced rather than supported by its opposite, the 'obstinate' functions. By its actions it changes the 'carefree' into the 'calculating'.

    Cre-Fe also involves a 'sincere' style of communication.

    Subjective/Merry function:
    It embodies a view of the world derived from intensely personal experiences. It's interests lie in turning this personal vision into something universally accepted. It is radical and contrarian. By its action it changes the 'judicious' into the 'resolute'. It seeks the ignored options, seeks to revolutionize things, it picks the path with many obstacles. It makes situational and personalized choices and is willing to adapt. It seeks niche-markets, it creates powerful bonds of mutual loyalty.

    Dynamic function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which the environment is in flow and people act according to its rules in whatever way they are able to.

    Irrational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which people establish general rules only when they are found necessary.

    Cold function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which goals are personal.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: They may be misperceived for the quasi-identical types (Humanist and Conservator with the dominant introverted ethic) for their strive for good relations with other people, very mild and comfortable manner of communication. However, there is a difference: both Lyricist and Mediator are emotionally active and even often try to awake emotions in other people. By contrast, Humanist and Conservator rather strive to suppress excessive emotions, to release other people from redundant, unnecessary emotions.

    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: the ethics of the emotions The reasons for human emotions are understood. He knows, as to cheer up or to anger one or other person or another. In the contact of nonformal nature it is invariably friendly, demonstrates optimism. It loves to be enjoyed in the close to the circle of friends. It attempts to cheer up those surrounding by jokes, hints, drawings. Its thoughts are directed toward the methods of obtaining the positive emotions. In the disputes, the differences, the explanations of relations it does not interfere, since with all he wants to live in the world. From the center of conflict it is held on the safe distance. It gathers and shares with familiar different rumors, gossips, sensational and simply curious information. It is always in the course of the secular chronicle of its circle.

    Constract form:
    Gulenko: the ethics of the emotions Well it examines laws governing the emotional life of people. It knows how at the necessary moment, when man is situated in a good arrangement of spirit, to be handled request, so that to him is difficult to refuse. Thinly it reacts to the ridiculous in the life. Humor loves. It jokes, it durachitsya, it pulls at close people, causing they have positive emotions by different methods. It is peaceful, it does not transfer the quarrels between the close people. Easily it goes to the reconciliation, with the readiness sacrificing itself for the pay-off of conflict. It is internally anxious. Much survives, but hides agitation and poor mood after the soft smile.

    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror:

    Dual:

    Activity:

    Super-ego:
    Cre-Te and Cre-Fe share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Te and Cre-Fe share the air of a person who cultivates people, Cre-Fe picks strong, powerful people who it tries to tame and be tamed by, Acc-Te picks weak, subdued people who it tries to support, enhance and be employed by. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Te person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Cre-Fi and Cre-Fe are united in their ability to make friends quickly with any and all people but where Cre-Fi is looking for something to believe in, Cre-Fe is looking for something powerful and useful. Cre-Fi feels betrayed when he finds out the lack of values in Cre-Fe and feels their friendship as empty. From the outside it is often difficult to differentiate these two. Quadra spirit will generally be the easiest way.

    Quasi-identical:
    Acc-Fi and Cre-Fe are united in their ability to keep up and support people that are important to them and work through these surrogates but where Acc-Fi does this because he feels its the correct way that he must use, Cre-Fe does it for fun. Relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. Both believe the other is a bad influence on people.

    Other issues: Cre-Fe changes the style of person's sexuality from 'care-taking' to 'victim'.
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    Creating Ti (cre-ti) = ENTp/ESTp

    Judging function:
    It relates to an artificial state of things, observation of the way things could be and how they should be. It consists of agreed upon and decided information, ethics, norms, sociality, purpose, infrastructure, social bonds, honor, beliefs, plans, abstractions and hierarchies. It's what we make of the world, it's our humanity. It requires perceiving functions to anchor it into what's actually happening around it and to enable it to create something with its intentions. By its actions it turns 'democratic' into 'aristocratic' ie. it institutionalizes information and structurizes human activity, creates social roles and groups out of individuals that used to interact with an environment out of their own interests.

    Thinking function:
    It involves plans, hierarchies, structure, reductionism, dogmas, sophistry, arguments, power, authority and all attempts to force human experiences and ideas into strict forms and definitions. It looks for powerful structures with which to control and modulate the environment and force others to adapt to it. It hardens a person's viewpoint and turns him towards the specific applications of his ideas from their abstract roots. By taking such a firm standpoint, an idea becomes open to criticism but tends to refuse open contact with it. Thinking functions support feeling ones by protecting them and feeling functions support thinking ones by accepting them. Using a thinking function establishes a viewpoint, takes a stand, establishes a territory.

    Introvert function:
    It is a systematic function, interested in cause and effect, understanding the rules of the things to which it is used. It is interested more in the questions of how and why rather than who and what. It is information about fields, graphs, maps rather than particular objects. By the actions of this function a questioning, erratic, case by case 'taciturn' action turns into an ordered, uninterrupted flow of 'narrative' information. Introvert functions require the support of extravert ones to yield them raw material for the perfection of their inner models, a base to which the model can be grounded and which it can serve.

    Creating function:
    This is what you concentrate on and are impressed by. This is a mile-stone, a worthy goal, a personal horizon and limit. Through success in the use of this function a great set of new personal possibilities arise. This function turns the focused action of the 'process' group into the multi-tasking hassle that is the 'result' group. The importance of this function is that it often reflects a person's greatest accomplishments, the result of all his efforts. It is generally concentrated for long periods on very particular tasks. The creating functions are balanced rather than supported by the accepting ones.

    Limiting function:
    It is a function that reduces your field of interest, it pushes you away from frivolous, dangerous, off-limits interests towards the things that you need to focus in. It changes the 'positivism' cathegory into 'negativism'. It is not a subdued function despite this. Rather, it signifies seeking your limits and finally finding them, testing what you wish is true. When it finds its own limits it helps others cross theirs and thus supports the 'empowering' functions.

    Creation-creating function:
    It focuses on what it already knows, is accustomed to, loves, feels bound by, being busy with little time for new things. It only accepts input that is in a familiar form. By its actions it changes the 'tactical' into the 'strategic'. It wears out ideas till they break and till he finally he gets tired of them. It is as if it was working towards a finish line. It takes routine to its natural conclusion. It can become unsettled and disarmed when forced to face something new, powerful and surprising. The 'emotion-creating' functions are supported by the 'creation-creating' functions in that they offers ready-made solutions and models that the 'emotion-creating' can try out and in response it is willing to pay them what they ask for the service.

    Compliant function:
    It prefers to work with systems that are discussable, that are of generally accepted value, tools, resources, rather than purposes, morals, wishes and ideologies. It takes the opinions and actions of others seriously and has sort of triggers that will get a strong reaction out of it. It tries to collect as much of everything as it can so that it feels it has a firm base from which to act and deals away only what it knows will come back with interest. It is balanced rather than supported by its opposite, the 'obstinate' functions. By its actions it changes the 'carefree' into the 'calculating'.

    Cre-Fi also involves a 'business-like' style of communication.

    Subjective/Merry function:
    It embodies a view of the world derived from intensely personal experiences. It's interests lie in turning this personal vision into something universally accepted. It is radical and contrarian. By its action it changes the 'judicious' into the 'resolute'. It seeks the ignored options, seeks to revolutionize things, it picks the path with many obstacles. It makes situational and personalized choices and is willing to adapt. It seeks niche-markets, it creates powerful bonds of mutual loyalty.

    Static funtion:
    It relates to a system of though in which the environment does not change by itself but it is the people who interact with it that set the rules of what happens.

    Irrational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which people establish general rules only when they are found necessary.

    Hot function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which there are important goals that are common to all people.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: They may be misperceived for the quasi-identical types (Enterpriser and Administrator with the dominant extraverted logic) for their activity and logical way of thinking. The difference is, that both Seeker and Commander are spontaneous types, who do not like to adapt to procedures. Their thinking is conceptual, not methodological; often they can even contradict to what they just have said, but they do not accept such reproaches: “What happened, I just considered the situation from different viewpoints!” Commanders (sensory) often are good as crisis managers, military commanders, heads of the state in crisis situations (Churchill, Lenin, Napoleon Bonaparte), but quickly get bored of complicated procedures that exist in peaceful democratic states. They often like “cat-and-mouse” logical discussion, where important is not to find the truth but to win, to “kill” the opponent with arguments. Seekers (intuitive) often become scientists and specialists who present interesting concepts, but very rarely (and often with somebody else's help) they succeed to transform their concepts into working technologies and methods. Their activity is not even: sometimes they are super-active, sometimes fall into periods of depression.

    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: the structural logic It attempts to study and to explain complex objects or phenomena, on which there does not exist single-valued concepts or logical theories. The interrelation of different diagrams or structures explains. It compares different systems between themselves. If idea not "sits down itself" into the comprised by it resulting diagram, then it is capable to change and its tax then so that it nevertheless would be entered in the necessary framework. Any problem it analyzes complexly, from several sides. It explains, in what cases works that or by something different its aspect. Is gathered its structure as in the designer, from the finished component parts. Interesting observations or considerations it connects with its own theory. It attempts to find the united explanation to different events. To it it is important to find the cause-effect connections between the quotient and the general.

    Concrete form:
    Gulenko: creative function: the structural logic In the mind it checks well different plans of actions, ostanavlivayas' on most logical for this situation. It manages the tasks to the keenness. It knows how to group people around itself under the specific goal. To each is assigned clear place in its command. It confidently coordinates combined actions. Only nodal points are checked, without investigating in the detail. It interests result, but not process. Tries everything simply and accessibly to explain, giving obvious cases. It recovers well the logic of the actions of other people; therefore win in it it can only the one who it constantly changes. In the nonstandard, illogical situations it is lost.

    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Cre-Ti is 'creation-creating' and 'compliant', it protects it's personal way forcefully because it suits him to do so. Acc-Ti is 'emotion-creating' and 'obstinate', it tries to find a personally perfect way to do things. Both are accepting of faults in their systems as long as they suit the situation. Cre-Ti is generally in a more advantaged position than Acc-Ti, his methods are already established and working.

    Dual: Cre-Fe supports Cre-Ti by accepting and being loyal to it, Cre-Ti supports Cre-Fe by acting as its muscle.

    Activity: Cre-Ti and Acc-Fe share the view-point of the person who's had enough, who's tired of giving up everything and wants something for itself, is willing to fight for his system. Cre-Ti does this because keeping a tight hold of one's resources gives it power, Acc-Fe does this because he feels he's right and others are wrong. Abstract version of this activity partnership is generally more satisfying than the concrete one.

    Super-ego:
    Cre-Fi and Cre-Ti share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Acc-Fi and Cre-Ti share the air of a watchgul guardian of personal resources and territory, Cre-Ti tries to enlarge his territory directly by forcing others to cede control, Acc-Fi enlargens its territory by becoming accustomed to circumstances and considering as its own wealth the success of people around it, it rules by surrogates. Cre-Ti considers that everything that he can get is his. Acc-Fi considers that everything that he is allowed to have is his. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Fi person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Cre-Te and Cre-Ti are united in their ability to make others see things their way, but where Cre-Te does this because he believes he's right, Cre-Ti does this because he's protecting his interests. Cre-Ti will feel initial respect at a formidable opponent but after his attempts in friendly cooperation against other targets is likewise thrown in his face, Cre-Ti will feel disrespected and betrayed by an unreasonable person.

    Quasi-identical:
    Acc-Te and Cre-Ti are united in their business-like dealing with people, considering them as recources, but where Acc-Te is willing to look for where the profit from each relationship could come from, Cre-Ti tends to force every relationship under the same rules that have worked for him before. Relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Both think the methods of the other are risky and that the other is lucky when he's succesful.


    Other issues: cre-fi changes the style of person's sexuality from 'childish' to 'aggressive'
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    Accepting Ti (acc-ti) = INTj/ISTj

    Judging function:
    It relates to an artificial state of things, observation of the way things could be and how they should be. It consists of agreed upon and decided information, ethics, norms, sociality, purpose, infrastructure, social bonds, honor, beliefs, plans, abstractions and hierarchies. It's what we make of the world, it's our humanity. It requires perceiving functions to anchor it into what's actually happening around it and to enable it to create something with its intentions. By its actions it turns 'democratic' into 'aristocratic' ie. it institutionalizes information and structurizes human activity, creates social roles and groups out of individuals that used to interact with an environment out of their own interests.

    Thinking function:
    It involves plans, hierarchies, structure, reductionism, dogmas, sophistry, arguments, power, authority and all attempts to force human experiences and ideas into strict forms and definitions. It looks for powerful structures with which to control and modulate the environment and force others to adapt to it. It hardens a person's viewpoint and turns him towards the specific applications of his ideas from their abstract roots. By taking such a firm standpoint, an idea becomes open to criticism but tends to refuse open contact with it. Thinking functions support feeling ones by protecting them and feeling functions support thinking ones by accepting them. Using a thinking function establishes a viewpoint, takes a stand, establishes a territory.

    Introvert function:
    It is a systematic function, interested in cause and effect, understanding the rules of the things to which it is used. It is interested more in the questions of how and why rather than who and what. It is information about fields, graphs, maps rather than particular objects. By the actions of this function a questioning, erratic, case by case 'taciturn' action turns into an ordered, uninterrupted flow of 'narrative' information. Introvert functions require the support of extravert ones to yield them raw material for the perfection of their inner models, a base to which the model can be grounded and which it can serve.

    Accepting function:
    This what one does without thinking. This is the function through which one focuses actions towards a single goal. This is not the same as being a focussed function by itself. This function turns the various interests of the 'result' group into the 'process' group and the 'process' group is the one that is focussed. The importance of this function is rather that it accepts a multitude of base resources, ideas and tasks. It is mobile and can be used in many situations which contrasts the creative functions that can only be used for very particular tasks. This does NOT mean that one is automatically weaker than the other as succesfull use of creative functions tends to create groundbreaking breakthroughs which are very important despite their relative rarity. The accepting functions are balanced rather than supported by the creating functions.

    Empowering function:
    It is a function that widens your area of interest, it's use creates great confidence in a person's ability. It changes the 'negativism' dichotomy' into 'positivism'. It signifies the crossing of personal limits, embarking on a personal adventure, looking for and finding self-confidence. It supports the limiting functions by taking responsibility away from them, making limits elsewhere easier to accept.

    Emotion-creating function:
    It focuses on finding new things, the need to learn, creating an accepting environment, working without preconceptions, checking things out by itself, giving its attention freely, openness. By it's action it changes the 'strategic' into the 'tactical'. It's as if it was looking for a path somewhere. The 'emotion-creating' functions are supported by the 'creation-creating' functions in that they offers ready-made solutions and models that the 'emotion-creating' can try out and in response it is willing to pay them what they ask for the service. Can become disarmed when taken seriously and asked for advice on issues it has yet to analyze.

    Obstinate function:
    It prefers to work with systems that are undiscussable, that are of subjective value rather than objective, purposes, morals, wishes and ideologies rather than tools. It will not care about opposition once it's selected something. By its actions it changes the 'calculating' into the 'carefree'. It gives of itself and uses all of its resources in behalf of what it believes in and when its all out and empty it looks for ways to do more. It is balanced rather than supported by its opposite, the 'compliant' functions.

    Acc-Ti also involves the 'cold' style of communication.

    Subjective/Merry function:
    It embodies a view of the world derived from intensely personal experiences. It's interests lie in turning this personal vision into something universally accepted. It is radical and contrarian. By its action it changes the 'judicious' into the 'resolute'. It seeks the ignored options, seeks to revolutionize things, it picks the path with many obstacles. It makes situational and personalized choices and is willing to adapt. It seeks niche-markets, it creates powerful bonds of mutual loyalty.

    Static funtion:
    It relates to a system of though in which the environment does not change by itself but it is the people who interact with it that set the rules of what happens.

    Rational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which rules are created as a tool and followed until it's proven they need to be discarded.

    Cold function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which goals are personal.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: This type of logic is inertial. Instead of “making things work”, it rather focuses on elimination of contradictions, on systematization, or in more general meaning – on “justice” (if it only exists). The types for which this function is dominant are often not too energetic, they are rather stable-mooded, work without noticeable “falls” and “rises”, logical and reticent in their sayings and deeds. On the one hand, other people respect them for being “just”, for their cold and sober analysis of situations; on the other, they do not “feel people” well.

    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: the structural logic It knows how to logically and convincingly present its thoughts. Are constructed diagrams and concepts, it is clearly separated the main thing from the secondary. After developing general system, it defines concretely it, draws near practice. Clean theoretization, philosophizing, the torn from the life reasonings - not for it. The correctness of system is determined on its internal logical consistency. It easily modifies the formal framework of system. It prefers the compact, maximally compressed information, although it can unroll it to the necessary volume. It sees well the possibilities of systems, formal models and concepts. It gives objective, frequently impartial evaluation to their potential. Detail knows how to connect with whole.

    concrete form:
    Gulenko: the structural logic Thoroughly it investigates the matter, by which it is occupied. Information obstinate and persistently is gathered in order to completely manage situation. Collector or bibliophile, him especially interests reference literature. Supporter of a strict order and fixed system. Everything, which is not entered in it, rejects as illogical. In it the matter interesting regularly it checks and checks its motion. Itself is balanced and operating, the same it requires from others. It respects subordination. It does not take into consideration of the personal sympathies, when the discussion deals with the matter. It spreads objects on the strictly diverted places. It does not suffer, when someone beret without to demand or shifts its things.

    Relation to other functions:

    Relation to other functions:
    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Cre-Ti is 'creation-creating' and 'compliant', it protects it's personal way forcefully because it suits him to do so. Acc-Ti is 'emotion-creating' and 'obstinate', it tries to find a personally perfect way to do things. Both are accepting of faults in their systems as long as they suit the situation. Cre-Ti is generally in a more advantaged position than Acc-Ti, his methods are already established and working.

    dual: Acc-Ti is impressed by the passion with which Acc-Fe shouts his message and helps in structurizing it, simultaneously using the message in finding his own path.

    Activity: Cre-Fe and Acc-Ti share the view-point of the independent thinker, willing to check out the most unconventional ideas and plans for items that would happen to suit their personal plans. Acc-To does this because his needs are unconvetional, Cre-Fe does this because he feels he can't rule out the worth of things, but will take anything he gets. Concrete version of this activity partnership is generally more satisfying than the abstract one.

    Super-ego:
    Acc-Ti and Acc-Fi share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Cre-Fi and Acc-Ti share the air of a true believer looking for a system to believe in but beyond this they have little in common. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Ti person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Acc-Te and Acc-Ti are united in their willingness to test intellectual structures and theories, but where Acc-Ti makes his choice of theories on intensely personal criteria of what he knows must be true, Acc-Te tests if the theory has some use in his environment. Acc-Te tends to apply models directly whereas Acc-Ti tends to situationally adapt them. When a model fails, Acc-Te tends to be the one that suffers the consequences and bitter if the origin of the model was the Acc-Ti.

    Quasi-identical
    Cre-Te and Acc-Ti are united in their ability to coolly not budge in the face of opposing opinions and guard what they see important but where Acc-Ti is willing to test it's ability and face obstacles to prove it's correct which it tends to succeed in because it sets the rules for the test, Cre-Te just knows this a priori and feels challenges to it are something like a bad joke. Relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. Both believe the other is full of crap.

    Other issues: Acc-ti changes the style of person's sexuality from 'childish' to 'aggressive'
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    Accepting Fe (acc-fe) = ESFj/ENFj

    Judging function:
    It relates to an artificial state of things, observation of the way things could be and how they should be. It consists of agreed upon and decided information, ethics, norms, sociality, purpose, infrastructure, social bonds, honor, beliefs, plans, abstractions and hierarchies. It's what we make of the world, it's our humanity. It requires perceiving functions to anchor it into what's actually happening around it and to enable it to create something with its intentions. By its actions it turns 'democratic' into 'aristocratic' ie. it institutionalizes information and structurizes human activity, creates social roles and groups out of individuals that used to interact with an environment out of their own interests.

    Feeling function:
    It involves feelings, ethics, hopes and everything that is human but can not be explained by logic or even fully described in words. It looks for generally applicable ways to make contact and interact with people. It is a personal vision gained from social interaction with people. By its actions it changes a 'sensory' situation into an 'intuitive' one. It softens a person's viewpoint and turns him towards generalities from the concrete specifics of a situation. Feeling functions support thinking ones by being able to accept their creations and emphatise with them and thinking functions support feeling ones by giving them structure and protecting them. Using a feeling function enables one to make a personal connection with something, create new value, create something out of nothing.

    Extrovert function:
    It involves individual objects rather than systems and rules. It is interested more in the questions of who and what than in the questions of how and why. Its fixation on particular objects allows it to examine them thoroughly, from many point of view and to find new characteristics in them. By the actions of this function an ordered flow of 'narrative' information turns into a disassembled, erratic, questioning 'taciturn' discussion, or playing with concepts. Extrovert functions are supported by the introvert ones by letting them avoid repeating mistakes and guiding their actions.

    Accepting function:
    This what one does without thinking. This is the function through which one focuses actions towards a single goal. This is not the same as being a focussed function by itself. This function turns the various interests of the 'result' group into the 'process' group and the 'process' group is the one that is focussed. The importance of this function is rather that it accepts a multitude of base resources, ideas and tasks. It is mobile and can be used in many situations which contrasts the creative functions that can only be used for very particular tasks. This does NOT mean that one is automatically weaker than the other as succesfull use of creative functions tends to create groundbreaking breakthroughs which are very important despite their relative rarity. The accepting functions are balanced rather than supported by the creating functions.

    Limiting function:
    It is a function that reduces your field of interest, it pushes you away from frivolous, dangerous, off-limits interests towards the things that you need to focus in. It changes the 'positivism' cathegory into 'negativism'. It is not a subdued function despite this. Rather, it signifies seeking your limits and finally finding them, testing what you wish is true. When it finds its own limits it helps others cross theirs and thus supports the 'empowering' functions.

    Creation-creating function:
    It focuses on what it already knows, is accustomed to, loves, feels bound by, being busy with little time for new things. It only accepts input that is in a familiar form. By its actions it changes the 'tactical' into the 'strategic'. It wears out ideas till they break and till he finally he gets tired of them. It is as if it was working towards a finish line. It takes routine to its natural conclusion. It can become unsettled and disarmed when forced to face something new, powerful and surprising. The 'emotion-creating' functions are supported by the 'creation-creating' functions in that they offers ready-made solutions and models that the 'emotion-creating' can try out and in response it is willing to pay them what they ask for the service.

    Obstinate function:
    It prefers to work with systems that are undiscussable, that are of subjective value rather than objective, purposes, morals, wishes and ideologies rather than tools. It will not care about opposition once it's selected something. By its actions it changes the 'calculating' into the 'carefree'. It gives of itself and uses all of its resources in behalf of what it believes in and when its all out and empty it looks for ways to do more. It is balanced rather than supported by its opposite, the 'compliant' functions.

    Acc-Fe also involves a 'passionate' style of communication.

    Subjective/Merry function:
    It embodies a view of the world derived from intensely personal experiences. It's interests lie in turning this personal vision into something universally accepted. It is radical and contrarian. By its action it changes the 'judicious' into the 'resolute'. It seeks the ignored options, seeks to revolutionize things, it picks the path with many obstacles. It makes situational and personalized choices and is willing to adapt. It seeks niche-markets, it creates powerful bonds of mutual loyalty.

    Dynamic function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which the environment is in flow and people act according to its rules in whatever way they are able to.

    Rational function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which rules are created as a tool and followed until it's proven they need to be discarded.

    Hot function:
    It relates to a system of thought in which there are important goals that are common to all people.

    Type-spotting:
    Lytov: This function reflects person's own emotions, his/her emotional, highly personal and passionate reaction to what is going on around. Types with this dominant functions are eloquent, often smiling, artistic, charming (but somewhat “fussy” and “too artistic”), can speak and persuade others, but they perceive situations too emotionally, too personally, and sometimes they “sink” in their own emotions, cannot calm down for long time.


    Abstract form:
    Gulenko: the ethics of emotions. Its strong side - emotional action on the people. Manifesting stormy, sharp emotions, it can attain much. Surrounding it is not easy to maintain its emotional pressure. It distinguishes well, in what mood the collocutor is situated. It knows how to raise mood to itself and by others. Optimist, the faith in the success attempts to move by his close one. It is very sociable, easily it goes to the contact. With the pleasure he tells about his connections, familiar, relatives. Although the aim is high social status, it can to them endow into the name of family. Good organizer of leisure and solemn measures in its to circle. It follows so that all it would be interestingly, it implicates those invited into the general conversation. It does not love skeptics and isolating.

    Concrete form:
    Gulenko: He has a good understanding the the development of situation in time. Sensing danger ---gotovigsya to it previously - thinks over the fallback positions. He warns people about the danger threatening to them. Men constantly koleblyushchiysya and being doubted. To it it is to not easy accept decision of major importance. However, after decision is made, no longer it will think over and will not turn back. Its world view in the course of time can be changed for diametrically contrary. It is internally very contradictory. Recovers falsity and nonconformity between the words and the real behavior of people. It is usually interested in the themes, connected with the fate and other mysterious phenomena. It loves to seclude and to reflect about the sense of life, the past and the future. All problems are examined from a global, philosophical point of view.

    Relation to other functions:

    Mirror: Ganin: "What one partner considers solid and final appears incomplete and changeable for the other partner." Cre-Fe is 'emotion-creating' and 'compliant', it showes people emotions that it hopes will make people like it. Acc-Fe is 'creation-creatin' and 'obstinate', it tries to convince people to like what it likes. Cre-Fe will establish social groups in which Acc-Fe has to act on the rules of Cre-Fe.

    Dual: Acc-Ti is impressed by the passion with which Acc-Fe shouts his message and helps in structurizing it, simultaneously using the message in finding his own path.

    Activity: Cre-Ti and Acc-Fe share the view-point of the person who's had enough, who's tired of giving up everything and wants something for itself, is willing to fight for his system. Cre-Ti does this because keeping a tight hold of one's resources gives it power, Acc-Fe does this because he feels he's right and others are wrong. Abstract version of this activity partnership is generally more satisfying than the concrete one.

    Super-ego:
    Acc-Te and Acc-Fe share a point of view but fight for power. Each feels the other's methods are misplaced. The results of their actions are in many ways directly opposite and thus the actions of the other seem to only make worse what the other perceives to be the problem.

    Conflict:
    Cre-Te and Acc-Fe share the air of the ideological fanatic, both projecting their personal systems around them, Cre-Te because it feels the system has been proven time and again everywhere around it, Acc-Fe because it feels this is a task that just personally belongs to him. They will constantly find themselves in cross purposes with the Acc-Fe person often being in a slightly advantageous and more commanding position.

    Contrary:
    Acc-Fi and Acc-Fe are united in their unlimited, untouchable supply of faith faith, but where Acc-Fe tries to push his faith aggressively to others, Acc-Fi keeps his as a personal reserve of power, because despite its magnitude, Acc-Fi does not trust its faith and will not show it to others. Acc-Fe tries to motivate Acc-Fi into taking a leap of faith and taking a stand for his beliefs but he will be disappointed, not understanding that standing back in humility is the Acc-Fi version of a leap of faith.

    Quasi-identical:
    Cre-Fi and Acc-Fe, relation of mutual misunderstanding and often disrespect. Unwillingness to engage in dialog. They are united in their passionate ideals but where Cre-Fi pushes these ideals because he feels they're tested and true, Acc-Fe pushes his ideals because he can't help doing it, he's accustomed to them and they're all he's got. Both believe the other is tricking people.

    Other issues: Acc-Fe changes the style of person's sexuality from 'care-taking' to 'victim'
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    At the moment I'm quite tired. I've been simultaneously doing this and an actual important work project three days, is it three days? I don't even know. Anyway, three days straight, you know, doing that 19 hrs shit. And I'm doing a bit of travelling next week as well. And what with the functions this version being ready and all that, it's going to probably be a short while before I start doing the types. I don't even know how I want to do them yet. Anyhow, please suggest ways to make this better.

    And suggest ways to handle the types as well. What do you want included?

    Hmm, I wonder if I should add an introduction, some nice pictures for people to look at and publish it
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    add lots of disparaging comments to all of the ethical types that unfairly criticize their intelligence and refer to neurological errors that poorly programmed their nervous systems. also add lots of false, redundant, and pointless information and add pictures of microscopic organisms for VI purposes.
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    Smilingeyes wrote:
    At the moment I'm quite tired. I've been simultaneously doing this and an actual important work project three days, is it three days? I don't even know. Anyway, three days straight, you know, doing that 19 hrs shit. And I'm doing a bit of travelling next week as well. And what with the functions this version being ready and all that, it's going to probably be a short while before I start doing the types. I don't even know how I want to do them yet. Anyhow, please suggest ways to make this better.

    And suggest ways to handle the types as well. What do you want included?

    Hmm, I wonder if I should add an introduction, some nice pictures for people to look at and publish it



    Thanks for being open to suggestions.

    Well, I keep bringing it up , but to me the thing that I crave is anything that helps me recognize how the theoretical concepts are apt to play out in each combination of types. That's why I like so much what you've done so far, and also why I always crave more individualization even for those things that seem to be similar for each type.

    If you're thinking of making a bigger thing out of this, consider seeing if they can give you space on the domain to create the thing in HTML so that any of the boiler plate portions (explanations that don't change) are done as hyperlinks. With HTML, you could make it easy to find stuff and really make this a useful tool. I'd really like if the stuff that's common to all descriptions is set off as a hyperlink so I can focus on what's unique or different.

    Anyhow, just my 2 cents.
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    And suggest ways to handle the types as well. What do you want included?


    add lots of disparaging comments to all of the ethical types that unfairly criticize their intelligence and refer to neurological errors that poorly programmed their nervous systems. also add lots of false, redundant, and pointless information and add pictures of microscopic organisms for VI purposes.


    I don't get this. Why would adding such create any added value? What purpose would this serve?

    @Jonathan

    Yes, you do, and I guess that's good, because if you didn't I'd do less of it.

    (the book idea was a joke, though the idea itself is sort of doable)

    I've considered the hyperlinks and the web page thing previously. I think it is something worth doing, yes. Nevertheless I'm still probably still not going to do it. I've had my days playing web master and didn't like it. If someone else wants to help me and other people out by being the webmaster for a smilexian encyclopedia, I'm game. This is going to be a very useful tool when its finished. I care primarily about its private use in my own life but I don't see why other people wouldn't want to use it as well. If this doesn't happen, this stuff will remain only as a thread on this board and my private collection and be inevitably forgotten and buried under trash messages wondering what colour socks do ISTps wear. I don't really know why I should care one way or the other.

    (incidentally, the answer is grey)

    (only joking)
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    Smilex this is cool man. I have read a lot of it and its great! I agree with Blaze i couldn't Digest it but im really not rain man. I have found a lot of significance here to my own life. Making some type of basic website would be a good idea i think

    Sorry for the easy question, but what do you mean by this and vice versa?
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    meatburger wrote:
    Smilex this is cool man. I have read a lot of it and its great! I agree with Blaze i couldn't Digest it but im really not rain man. I have found a lot of significance here to my own life. Making some type of basic website would be a good idea i think

    Sorry for the easy question, but what do you mean by this and vice versa?
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    Yo, thanks. It's the ENFp comments that ultimately keep me writing this here for some reason, so keep the praises coming.

    (Also thanks to FDG who sort of pushed me to make up my mind in starting the project)

    As for the website, want to volunteer?

    The activity partnership...
    It has to do with positivity/negativity. For all functions, either the abstract or concrete version of the function is positive and the other is negative.
    Activity partners along a given functional axis always have the same ordering of this dichotomy, therefore there are 'negative' and 'positive' activity partnerships.

    The 'negativity' dichotomy is not synonymous with unhappiness but it is somehow connected to it. I believe the best definition for it would be 'restricted by the environment' and 'positivity' would be 'empowered by the environment'. A given social relationship enforces a social role and activity & dual partnerships seem to be particularly powerful in this (personal experience somewhat supported by theory). Dual partnerships sort of balance the mood effect you get from the empowerment or limitation as you are simultaneously happy for the support you give and get to and from your partner. Activity partnerships don't support you, they push you, make your goals seem important and make you strive more. So both versions of this partnership work, but people who empower each other are generally happier than people who limit and control each other. Strategywise there's no distinction but given a choice, most people would pick being in a 'positive' activity partnership.
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    Dual or Activity i would love to try either of these for a relationship.
    Smilingeyes wrote:

    As for the website, want to volunteer?


    I know myself too well. I have made a few websites in my time. I used to have www.meatburger.com until some guys stole the domain. For the first week you would be thinking holy cow check out meatburger he is whpping this up really well, then a day later you will ask how its going and i would say well at the moment im busy eating an icecream and reading about iboga psychoactive drugs and earthquakes in china.

    Now i feel guilty considering how much work you have obviously done on this. I suggest making a simple non fancy one with frontpage.
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    Smilingeyes wrote:


    add lots of disparaging comments to all of the ethical types that unfairly criticize their intelligence and refer to neurological errors that poorly programmed their nervous systems. also add lots of false, redundant, and pointless information and add pictures of microscopic organisms for VI purposes.


    I don't get this. Why would adding such create any added value? What purpose would this serve?


    it was a joke
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    it was a joke


    Ah, I see.
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    empty form
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    Type:

    Club:

    Quadra:

    Analysis of strategy cycle:

    Analysis of calculative cycle:

    Temperament analysis:

    Aristocratic/democratic type:

    Negative/positive type:

    Result/process type:

    Taciturn/narrator type:

    Type spotting:

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged:

    Creating subtype:
    Meged:

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Dual:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Activity:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Super-ego:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Contrary:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Conflict:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Quasi-identical:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Look-alike:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Comparative:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Illusionary:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Semi-dual:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Superviser:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Supervisee:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Benefactor:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Beneficee:
    Physical interaction:
    Ideological interaction:

    Other issues:
    In contact: way of talking
    Sexually:
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    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Trying to figure out what to write about types.
    Creating an empty form at first.
    What would you like to be added?


    Type-spotting and [EDIT: quasi-identity] differentials are among the most important things. I know you've already done some of that so far.

    If you really want to get ambitious, take a look at http://socioniko.net/en/1.3.rels/dual.html and do something like what they've done except for relations other than dual. Dmitri's site is really good, but I doubt if they'll update it with other relations any time soon. (Okay, I know I'm sounding like a broken record. )

    Highest on the overall priority list, I'd think, would be conflict, followed by super-ego. Here's why: The conflict relationship is supposed to be *bad*, yet for people who aren't sure of their type or other people's type, it can appear a lot like the dual type at first.

    For example, to an INTx, both ESFx types seem like people who could help with dealing with social relations and getting practical things done. Similarly, to ESFx, both INTx types appear like very smart, academically strong people who can help them with understanding how stuff works and provide advice in areas where they're weak. And so on....

    Most discussions of the Conflict relation are of two forms: 1) a tautological theoretical discussion of how the legos (functions) don't fit together, sometimes thinly disguised with an experiential component. 2) An experience-based story about someone who's obviously demented or has some sort of serious mental illness that the person assumes is his/her conflict type.

    Super ego would be important for much the same reason. There was an article in Russian that claimed that super ego types have "the strongest possible attraction for each other at first," or something like that. Again, seeing how the super ego dynamic actually plays out in different types would be highly educational.

    I also mention this as, like you, I believe in type travel...which means that one may have a mix of more than one kind of relationship with an individual person; thus, recognizing when these various dynamics are at play is quite helpful.

    Thanks again for being so kind to ask for input.

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    I've been thinking about your interest in the supergo and conflict relations and you do have a point. It would be useful for people to understand these two better, but I get the feel that people dont understand them in a general sense any better than in the specific. Maybe I should write a separate section of chapters about relations, hmm. Still playing with ideas.

    The text by Meged on Lytov's site is indeed impressive and very correct as well. I have only the highest respect for Meged's work. Unfortunately I can't give such concrete examples of daily life between partners as she does. I prefer to write about things that are not based on type-spotting as I'm far better with the theory than spotting. I'm trying to avoid including too many errors, you see. So I simply can't do the same style of work that Meged does. But I can go to that direction, certainly. We'll see what happens.

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    What's your interest in the look-a-likes?


    It was a typo. Look-alikes are pretty easy to tell apart, especially when one is N and the other S. I meant quasi-identity. You've already done that to an extent with the type-spotting quotes. Basically, the quasi-identity problem is the flip-side of the dual-vs.-conflict problem.

    Although on the surface, quasi-identicals should be very easy to tell apart, many of the surprises or conflicts regarding historical typing occur with quasi-identity.

    Some people are surprised that Richard Feynman was typed LIE and not ILE. Same with L. Ron Hubbard (not to put them in the same league, just that Hubbard with his rather wacky but charming ideas and high creativity sounds so ILE to some people.)

    There's also a debate sometimes as to whether Jung was LII or ILI. Sometimes people ask the same about Socrates.

    And so on...
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    i would say that the more reinin dichotomies you can discuss per type the better. i'm not sure if you intend to keep doing the descriptions as you did the functions, but if they're going to be individually written, giving as many examples as possible about how types act according to the reinin dichotomies would be useful, although probably extraordinarily time consuming.
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    Type: TeSi - ESTj - LSE
    aka Arthur Conan Doyle aka Leonardo da Vinci aka Administrator aka Director

    Club: Pragmatic (ST)
    The type's thoughts and actions are both external in the sense that it is easy to make sense of them, easy to see what is doing and easy to accept or discard. It takes a concrete stand in both thought and action. It is bold, practical, active. It interacts on the level of the body, but not at the level of the mind.

    Quadra: Delta
    Acceptance of communal, objective morals, but only in a calcified, ritual, mechanical way. Seeking personal applications for them. Twisting rules to see how far they bend. Gathering personal resources, creating personally effective/comfortable havens. Peasant or working class ethics. A sense of tiredness/boredom. A calm and peaceful mind. "Society exists to protect deltas from betas". Covering one's own interests in a generally acceptable way. The voice of experience. Avoidance of risk. Perfectly, personally optimized systems.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Emotion-creating->Tactics
    After having spent a lot of time trying new things, it's chosen a path that it's decided to walk, at least for the moment. It is not certain of it's way but it doesn't want to just hang around all the time, it wants to get somewhere, so it decides to trust it's experience and try what it knows in practice. It's quite ready to go back and choose another path, but it would like to become an expert in its chosen methods.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Compliant->Calculative
    It thinks it has sufficient resources and knowledge to spread its wings and try to push a bit, make some personal choices, deviate slightly from the most careful path, throw its weight around. It begins investing what it's collected.

    Temperament analysis: EJ (Hot, dynamic, rational)
    It relates to a system of thought in which you first analyze the environment's concrete needs and dangers and make a theory of how to correctly interact with it, and then test this theory by interaction. Uses energy for things that it doesn't directly need to. Is highly responsive to stimuli. Tries to turn theories into practice.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Aristocratic
    It is inclined to test theories and systems of morality in action, and thereby twist them until they break. By its actions it changes the 'judging' to the 'perceiving'. It tends to understand rules, theories, systems, feelings and social relations in a definite, binding way and do what they make it do. But the activity that it is pushed to, makes it question the original idea that made it act.

    Negative/positive type: Negative
    It is inclined to accept a restricted sense of identity, 'retreat from the world', 'hide itself', inclined to talk mostly about negatives and restrictions, concentrates on problems and solving them. By its actions it turns the 'limiting' into the 'empowering'. 'Once all the work is done, what remains is free time', 'once all the enemies are done with, what remains is friends', 'once I get rid of my chains, I'm free'. Inclined to make the atmosphere more negative, wary.

    Result/process type: Process
    It is determined, focused, single-minded in action. It is a change-agent. It tries to bring its resources together to succeed in a single task at a time. By its actions it turns the 'accepting' into the creating'. It takes the base for its actions as granted and natural and tries to reach a conclusion.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Taciturn
    Has no complete, total system to guide it's life, but a number of selected items and ideas that it tries to fit together as best as it can. It tries to make sense of things, tries to solve inconsistencies. By its actions it turns 'extrovert' into 'introvert', something that is well defined into implications. It's speculative.

    Analysis of the subtype-wheel:
    a) concrete: judging-accepting-limiting-extrovert
    Is concentrated on the concrete ideological restraints that he feels subjected to. This is natural and simple for the person. The rules of the ideology can be self-contradictory and force difficult choices. The rules are felt as a sort of safety belt... though they limit, they are a benefit. Thus, abandoning the rules is an option, but doing this would require an incentive, as its not a reasonable goal by itself. It is not necessary to understand the rules, only to strictly obey.

    b) ->abstract: perceptive-creating-empowering-introvert
    Seeking a correct system of action, seeking implicit mastery of a task. Approaches this subject as if it were a great and important task. This task is of great worth and thus allows some freedom in the interpretation. Efficiency and acting in the heat of the moment allow to forget the ideological restrictions as one becomes their concrete tool. Making rash decisions, being constantly on the move is a way out.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1. Rapid, clear, sober mind. He knows how to act in an intelligent and logical way. His bearing is sporty, facial traits are sharp and coarse, as if carved from granite, and by this all – covert nervousness, high internal emotionality. His motto sounds: force, integrity and a sense of duty. He is a born scout – he collects information using all available channels until he achieves an absolutely clear picture that provides him with indemnity to act for sure.
    2. "All I do is done well". One more quotation: "There is a gift which is always characteristic of great baseball players and teams. This is onslaught. This is the capability to run more rapidly then one is required to, to move more quickly than one is required to, to be more impertinent than one is required to” (Ph.Brooks). Initiative is habitual to him; he is decisive, likes to be the center of attention. He defends his ideas with guts and fervor. In front of his superiors he is not shy, even becomes aggressive. He knows that business only then goes perfectly if the necessary tempo is set from the very beginning. He does not tolerate procrastination, is an ardent struggler for quality and thoroughness in all work. A good army officer. Like Thomas Edison, a representative of this type is capable of working 19.5 hours a day.
    3. "Rage is a mighty god of the strong". He tends to take other people out of the condition of complacency. He does not speak much about what is good, considers it self-evident. With his grumbling emotions he strives to extinguish emotions of others. He believes that redundant emotions tire people, and this is absolutely true if applied to his dual (The Humanist). During a conversation he pressures his interlocutor, even tries to intimidate him, but if people do not fear him, he becomes courteous and polite. Fury is his line of defense in a situation of emergency in which he feels otherwise helpless. The aim of his fury is to mobilize his partner, and when this is achieved, he calms down.
    4. Belief in playing fair. He considers obedience to rules to be a strength trait. He does not tolerate slyness and deviousness, hates cheaters and dodgy folks. "Political maneuvers may produce a quick effect, but a truly lasting and tangible results can be reached only through hard work" (Kim Philby). He likes order. Having bought a new thing, he will for sure read the manual and only then will switch it on. The famous traveler Roald Amundsen managed to avoid extreme situations all his life. "Victory awaits those who keep things orderly”, he used to say, “and this is what we call good fortune". A believer in honest labour. "If everything seems to be easy, this is an infallible evidence that the worker is far from being skilled and that the work is above his competence" (Leonardo Da Vinci).
    5. "A reserved force characteristic for military officers". He looks well built, has a straight bearing even if he has never served in the army. He dresses well and elegantly, but does not like to dress to demonstratively. He wears his clothes very long, and it always looks permanently fresh, as if unaffected by time. He never buys uncomfortable shoes, and makes others dress very neatly. An aesthete. '

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Logical subtype is efficient, dry in the contact, it is correct, has a strict form, it is unapproachable. It is not inclined to the jokes, it is serious, restrained. It is usually laconic, but if it flares up, it is difficult to stop it. It is straight-line in the behavior and the conversation. It can manifest sharpness in the judgments, because of what it has many ethical problems. There is another extreme - can keep silent, and then, kopya of offence, it will for long avoid contact.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Sensory subtype is characterized by stability and fitness for work. It is very energetic, it cannot sit without the matter and it does not love to in vain lose time. It is interested in new technologies in its professional region and knows how to adapt them for its needs. It is impulsive, energetic, it knows how hotly to convince. It is exacting and strict, but sometimes it yields to the persuasions. It possesses a feeling of humor. Speech - is jerky, emotional. Frequently it is possible to note that locating, only the stretched smile. Are sometimes the attempts to draw together distance in the contact cordial, friendly gestures - embraces, by clappings, by light touchs to the collocutor. Behaves sufficiently raskovanno and unconstrainedly. It lively conducts conversation, it jokes. Epicure and aesthete. It loves expensive, qualitative and beautiful things, original dishes. It knows how to remove stress, after sitting at the table with the friends. But for long to rest for itself it does not make possible. Usually has the rounded shapes of body or tendency toward the completeness. Motions are irregular, are sharp, are rapid and are impulsive. It is sufficiently restless.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: ISTp
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Te

    Dual: INFj
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Fi

    Activity: ENFp
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Fi

    Super-ego: ENFj
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Fe

    Conflict: INFp
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Fe

    Contrary: ISTj
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Ti

    Quasi-identical: ESTp
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Ti

    Look-alike: ESFj
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Fe

    Comparative: ENTj
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Te

    Illusionary: INTj
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Ti

    Semi-dual: ISFj
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Fi

    Superviser: INTp
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Te
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Ni

    Supervisee: ISFp
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Fe

    Benefactor: ESFp
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Fi

    Beneficee: ENTp
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Ti

    Other issues:
    In contact: Business-like talking
    Sexually: Caretaker
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    Type: FiNe - INFj - EII
    aka Humanist aka Martyr aka Dostoyevsky aka Nicholas II

    Club: Humanitarians
    The type's thoughts and actions are both internal in the sense that it is difficult for others to make sense of them, see what's going on, decide what kind of a position to take towards them. It avoids making a stand either in action or in thought. It interacts on the level of the mind but not of the body. It is peaceful, open-minded, passive.

    Quadra: Delta
    Acceptance of communal, objective morals, but only in a calcified, ritual, mechanical way. Seeking personal applications for them. Twisting rules to see how far they bend. Gathering personal resources, creating personally effective/comfortable havens. Peasant or working class ethics. A sense of tiredness/boredom. A calm and peaceful mind. "Society exists to protect deltas from betas". Covering one's own interests in a generally acceptable way. The voice of experience. Avoidance of risk. Perfectly, personally optimized systems.

    Analysis of strategy cycle:Creation-creating->Strategy
    After spent a lot of time with the old, the known, the comfortable, the safe, it's wondering what is it all for, anyway. The glitter and the meaning is gone. It starts to feel that it wants out of the system, it wants to find something for itself. It still respects its commitments and ideologies, but its gotten tired and cynical and it could really do with a motivational push.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Compliant->Calculative
    It thinks it has sufficient resources and knowledge to spread its wings and try to push a bit, make some personal choices, deviate slightly from the most careful path, throw its weight around. It begins investing what it's collected.

    Temperament analysis: IJ (Cold, Static, Rational)
    It relates to a system in which you first analyze your personal willigness to change the world, then you go and do it. Uses energy only for things that it needs to. Has low responsiveness to stimuli. Tries to turn theories into practice.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Aristocratic
    It is inclined to test theories and systems of morality in action, and thereby twist them until they break. By its actions it changes the 'judging' to the 'perceiving'. It tends to understand rules, theories, systems, feelings and social relations in a definite, binding way and do what they make it do. But the activity that it is pushed to, makes it question the original idea that made it act.

    Negative/positive type: Positive
    It is inclined to scoff at limits, 'make itself known to the world', 'show itself', inclined to talk mostly about positives and possibilities, concentrates on what it thinks could, should and will happen. By its actions it turns the 'empowering' to the 'limiting'. 'I have the power to do whatever I want', I act of my free choice', 'I'm acting in my own interests'. Being empowered by the environment means being limited only by one's own viewpoint, creativity and motivation.

    Result/process type: Process
    It is determined, focused, single-minded in action. It is a change-agent. It tries to bring its resources together to succeed in a single task at a time. By its actions it turns the 'accepting' into the creating'. It takes the base for its actions as granted and natural and tries to reach a conclusion.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Narrator
    Has integrated his life into a sensible whole which it adapts into varying circumstances. It's collected and establishes a personal presence. Is willing to create seeming contradictions as long as they make sense to it personally. By its actions it turns 'introvert' into 'extrovert', something that has many possible effects and outcomes.

    Analysis of the subtype-wheel:
    a) concrete: judging-accepting-empowering-introvert
    Naturally adapts to the surrounding ideology, activity and social atmosphere without compromising oneself. Is willing to do plenty as long as it's not of personal initiative or personal responsibility and doesn't change anything. He's humbly along for the ride but his person is not touched by what is happening around him.

    b) ->abstract: perceptive-creating-limiting-extrovert
    Trying to look for but not necessarily willing to find what he's looking for, because it's ever so much more liberating to be powerless, without the ability to find something. Playing hide and seek with oneself. Turning things around to find new meanings. Testing one's imagination. A wary approachment. Testing possibilities.

    Seeking a correct system of action, seeking implicit mastery of a task. Approaches this subject as if it were a great and important task. This task is of great worth and thus allows some freedom in the interpretation. Efficiency and acting in the heat of the moment allow to forget the ideological restrictions as one becomes their concrete tool. Making rash decisions, being constantly on the move is a way out.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko: 1. Bearer of quiet introspection, hidden sea of feelings. The world of his feelings is so fine and rich that he does not need verbal reassurances of someone’s love for him. Even without words he observes, who loves whom and how, who needs or doesn’t need whom. His most important capability is his ability to adapt to his partner’s emotions, to empathize, release emotional tension, to calm down.
    2. He is usually a quiet, amicable man. Being in groups, he prefers to keep silence and watch, but among his close friends his behavior switches to the opposite – then one cannot call him too shy, because he remarks perfectly, how other people treat him, and knows how to improve their relation to him. Strives to submit other people to his own understanding of ethical and non-ethical. He never imposes his own emotions on others, but accompanies, empathizes emotions of his partner. He demonstrates specific emotional standstill. He is sure that other people need him to be quiet, calm, tranquil. He strives to be something like a "compress" other people can apply to their wounds.
    3. Cannot refuse if asked to do something. This is why people often exploit him. He needs such a partner, submitting to whom, he can shield himself from excessive chores. In relations with people his interests are narrowed to a certain group, but in the objective world he is interested by absolutely everything: his intellect and skills are really omnivorous. He is scarcely capable of evaluating the quality of his work and time spent to accomplish it. Often he cannot distinguish between a triviality and what is really important. He knows what he can do but does not know what he needs to do. He cannot stay aside when other people are working, and keeps on working when other people already finished. He dislikes very much being ordered to do something new while some other things have not been yet done.
    4. Critical towards his own beauty (handsomeness), will, energy. He feels much pain when criticized for these aspects. Compliments on these aspects are not accepted as ambiguous only when they are expressed face-to-face, in a mild tone, without emphasis. He needs silent or not emphasized recognition. He cannot afford being untidy.
    5. Deed is the best care. His partner can provide pleasant emotions he needs from time to time through intelligence, logic, demands, and ability to protect. One needs to show up for the rendezvous on time, fulfill promises, be polite, thoughtful, and there is no need in more proofs of love or further conversations. If the smartest interlocutor explains his opinion in the form of speculations, instead of short and resolute formulations, then Dostoyevsky feels permanently dissatisfied and unhappy of being together with him. And his main requirement to his partner is: faithfulness. He does not forgive infidelity.

    Accepting subtype:
    Ethical subtype is polite and tactful, restrained and impassive. Usually it soblyudayet a certain distance in the contact, it now and then seems strict, cold, bezemotsional'nym. Gradually this impression is scattered, since in the process of contact sincere sympathy is manifested and desire soak by the matter. It is usually serious, calm and benevolent. It is very penetrating, but it is reserved. Rarely it shares its observations. It is punctilious and very tactful. It does not know how to joke, it fears to say excess. It departs silently from the disputes, without resorting to diplomacy. It is very industrious, tedious, patient and assiduous. It does not transfer injustice and violence. It is sequential and solid in its principles. It knows how to create comfort, to decorate house with distributions. Much it knows how to make with its hands. View is alerted, rarely it smiles. It follows the figure, it is always accurate, pulled. It is modest, but it is dressed with the taste, if means are allowed - izyskanno is elegant. Motions are smooth, although are stopped up stop up. Gait is sufficiently rapid, is light, frequently semenyashchaya, a little forged forge. It sits directly, rarely it gesticulates.

    Creating subtype:
    Intuitive subtype is with restraint emotional, strict. To those, to whom it sympathizes with, manifests cordiality, benevolence and affability. Sometimes it loves to joke. He tries not to tell people unpleasant things, but always it cannot be held in order not to express its disagreement or disturbance, about which then greatly it will regret. It is serious and punctilious. Converging with the man, he tries to be to it anything useful. It is acted unsure of itself, it is touchy even we wound, although it attempts to hide this. Has a good descriptive thinking and creative abilities. It knows how to interpret different symbols, dreams, mystical means. It loves to advise, to bring up, to add, but only in the narrow to circle. It is held modestly and unnoticeably. It dresses simply, adhering to classical style, is frequently conservative. Mimicry and gesticulation is not very expressed. Speech is emotional, but not flattened, tone it frequently edifying. It has frequently disproportionate figure, are somewhat thickset or with the tendency toward the completeness. Gait is a little clumsy, only waddle.

    Relations:
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    Mirror: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Fi

    Dual: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Te

    Activity: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Te

    Super-ego: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Ti

    Contrary: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Fe

    Conflict: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Ti

    Quasi-identical: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-N
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Fe

    Look-alike: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Ti

    Comparative: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Fi

    Illusionary: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Fe

    Semi-dual: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Te

    Superviser: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Fi

    Supervisee: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Ti

    Benefactor: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Te

    Beneficee: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Fe

    Other issues:
    In contact: Sincere talking
    Sexually: Childish
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    Wow!

    We should keep this stuff like stickied at the top of the appropriate quadra when you're all done.

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    Type: NeFi - ENFp - IEE
    aka Psychologist aka Reporter aka Sawyer (Mark Twain) aka Huxley

    Club: Humanitarians
    The type's thoughts and actions are both internal in the sense that it is difficult for others to make sense of them, see what's going on, decide what kind of a position to take towards them. It avoids making a stand either in action or in thought. It interacts on the level of the mind but not of the body. It is peaceful, open-minded, passive.

    Quadra: Delta
    Acceptance of communal, objective morals, but only in a calcified, ritual, mechanical way. Seeking personal applications for them. Twisting rules to see how far they bend. Gathering personal resources, creating personally effective/comfortable havens. Peasant or working class ethics. A sense of tiredness/boredom. A calm and peaceful mind. "Society exists to protect deltas from betas". Covering one's own interests in a generally acceptable way. The voice of experience. Avoidance of risk. Perfectly, personally optimized systems.

    So you're a delta-humanist as opposed to a beta-humanist. What's that then? Well, your humanist ideals tend to be less focused and less pushy than those of the betas. You tend more toward being virtuous all by yourself rather than going around pushing your morals to people. Your humanism can take a multitude of forms in action but at the same time it's more balanced and consistent, its outcome more controlled.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Emotion-creating->Tactics
    After having spent a lot of time trying new things, it's chosen a path that it's decided to walk, at least for the moment. It is not certain of it's way but it doesn't want to just hang around all the time, it wants to get somewhere, so it decides to trust it's experience and try what it knows in practice. It's quite ready to go back and choose another path, but it would like to become an expert in its chosen methods.

    So what's tactical humanism then? A pattern of thought that should be adhered to no matter the outcome? Perhaps. What's emotion-creating humanism? Trying to be nice in new and unexpected ways? Spontaneous seeking of ways to be a good person despite acknowledging that sometimes it backfires? So what's the difference with INFps then? INFps are more particular about the form of ethics and less so about the content. You try to fit your own ideas about being good, they more like try not to get caught being bad (since they're trying to fit an extrovert definition of ethics).

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Obstinate->Carefree
    Its been going all out for a long time and now its getting weary. Its slowly starting to doubt the stability of the things it believed in and is willing to try some personal maneuvers to gain resources to either support the idea or prepare for its downfall.

    So you've agreed to a general sense of humanism, one that would be collectively beneficial, and you're noticing that it's not something you can keep up indefinitely? So... Why the surprise? Don't people see that you're one of the few nice ones? Why don't they help you more? Is it any wonder that you're a delta and that you reserve a part of yourself to a close circle of friends who don't suck you dry. You'd like to learn a way to help everyone but people can't seem to agree on what you should do. It would feel natural and simple to just let go, but the times that you do see that your intentions and actions made a difference, they feel great, they make it worth it.

    Temperament analysis: EP (Hot, Static, Irrational)
    It relates to a system in which you first check what everyone finds important in the environment. Then you create a system by which you have plenty of it. Uses energy for things that it doesn't necessarily need to. Has high responsiveness to stimuli. Tries to turn practice into theories.

    So, you're the person who tries to monopolize being good in your neighbourhood.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Aristocratic
    It is inclined to test theories and systems of morality in action, and thereby twist them until they break. By its actions it changes the 'judging' to the 'perceiving'. It tends to understand rules, theories, systems, feelings and social relations in a definite, binding way and do what they make it do. But the activity that it is pushed to, makes it question the original idea that made it act.

    You'd prefer to keep a hold of the morals, but it's difficult.

    Negative/positive type: Negative
    It is inclined to accept a restricted sense of identity, 'retreat from the world', 'hide itself', inclined to talk mostly about negatives and restrictions, concentrates on problems and solving them. By its actions it turns the 'limiting' into the 'empowering'. 'Once all the work is done, what remains is free time', 'once all the enemies are done with, what remains is friends', 'once I get rid of my chains, I'm free'. Inclined to make the atmosphere more negative, wary.

    What sort of sucks is that you can't be virtuous in a vacuum. You have to more or less accept other people's definitions of what's good in their case or the public opinion or something. You can't just make it up. Yet you have a general ideal of your own as well. So you have to accept a certain amount of limit on your ability to be virtuous. You can only be nice to people who allow you to be nice to them. Within those limits you're quite free to be creative.

    Result/process type: Result
    It is unfocused, open, multi-tasking in action. It tries to maintain status quo. It spends its resources in anything that seems worthwhile at the moment. By its actions it turns 'creating' into 'accepting'. It takes the base of its actions as situational, labile and tries to make the best of whatever's available.

    Together with being one of the tactical types, this creates an interesting situation in which you're constantly trying to do something, anything, but you have little interest in actually getting anything done. You're happy when some outside force confirms you that your results are satisfactory.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Narrator
    Has integrated his life into a sensible whole which it adapts into varying circumstances. It's collected and establishes a personal presence. Is willing to create seeming contradictions as long as they make sense to it personally. By its actions it turns 'introvert' into 'extrovert', something that has many possible effects and outcomes.

    a) concrete: judging-creating-limiting-introvert
    Seeking to find a sort of inner grasp on an ethical and acceptable way of doing things. Finds this is not simple and easy and that he is severely restrained by this pursuit. Yet within these parameters he can act freely and with a clear conscience. The ethics are a form of self-expression and he is continuously willing to learn more about himself and his relation to his environment. Wants to be shown a place in the world to call his own.

    b) ->abstract: perceptive-accepting-empowering-extrovert
    Expecting that he was screwed when he chose his part, that others are not worthy of the morals he's shown towards them, he's willing to test if there's something else for him in the world. He's setting of on his own, escaping, taking anything that he encounters. Yet he feels he's doing wrong, taking the easy way out and would prefer it if the world didn't force him away but just treated him better.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko: 1. An ardent enthusiast. He is a highly spiritual, artistic individual. The Psychologist quickly resolves any personal problems, always relying upon his talent for immediate improvisation instead of preparing the work in advance. He loves situations when new and exciting undertakings come up, when it is possible to demonstrate his own and others’ talents; when one can still expect the most unusual development of events.
    2. A Don Juan. He gauges various virtues and talents in the people he meets and cannot hold back from reporting his observations to them with great enthusiasm. Often other people mistake his dramatic display of emotions for his real feelings, which earns him the reputation of a Don Juan. In fact, he is quite conservative in his feelings, attached to a close circle of his friends, whose opinions hold great weight for him and totally determine his mood, behavior, and knowledge. If he really is a playboy, he does not hide it.
    3. Sensitive. His speech is often romantic, his smiles are enticing, but very often that’s as far as it goes. His motto is ‘emotional power over all and sexual freedom from all’.
    4. "Modest". As a rule, he is not ambitious, because he can enjoy the circle of his friends and the anticipation of something interesting. Unlike The Politician, who likes to be an obvious ruler of the situation, he prefers to be its covert ruler. And his influence is directed first of all towards making other people reveal their skills and talents.
    5. A scientist. He is sensitive about how others evaluate his mental skills. Often he strives to get a degree in higher learning, achieve scientific recognition and awards: this gives him the opportunity to work with a clear conscience (without having to doubt his qualifications). He is touchy when other people criticize ideas that he holds dear, or deny him and his friends’ talents. This is why he prefers the company of those who share his beliefs.
    6. A person of mood. His mood determines everything: plans for the future, self-estimation, and ideas about the world. Ambitious plans can change to disappointment and sadness; but interesting news, praise, or an unexpected interesting opportunity immediately lifts his spirits. Boredom can even make him ill.
    7. Altruistic. He is ready to help other people in solving their personal problems. The greatest pleasure for him is to find a way out from the situation that others consider hopeless. He is capable of demonstrating friendliness and benevolence to all. However, he saves his real efforts for about whom he is serious, and in this case he does much more than people ever expect from him and more than he himself promises.

    Personal commentary: 1. emotion-creating and obstinate
    2. delta narrator
    3. humanist
    4. hot delta humanist
    5. emotion-creating tactical
    6. negative humanist
    7. delta obstinate humanist

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged:
    Intuitive subtype produces the impression of person, a little torn from the reality, internally concentrated and at the same time scattered. It is inclined to the unexpected contrasts of the behavior: shyness and apathy can be changed into by emotional lift, determination and activity, the melancholy expression of face - to voodushevlennoye or glad. Thoughtful and impulsive, optimistic and depressed, shy and energetic, it produces diverse impression. Internally contradictory, touchy and ranimyy, it hides its problems under the mask of lightheartedness. He tries to be affable with all, it attempts each to understand, to give presents by smile. It is attentive, soft and tactful, it locates to the confidence. Willingly it investigates the problems of others, he tries to find way out of the difficult situation, to give advice. It protects its views emotionally, it can show psychological pressure on the opponent. Motions are badly coordinated, impulsive, a little angular. Gait is rapid, somewhat clumsy. Chin is frequently sharpened, the view attentive, interrogative or astonished, penetrating.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: The ethical subtype of artistichen, is impatient, a little extravagant. It is not predicted in its actions and statements. It loves to astonish or to entertain those surrounding, even insignificant events it can present as sensation. He frequently becomes the soul of the company: it is confident in itself, with a good feeling of humor, it is natural and it is very impulsive. It is characterized by sincerity and directness of child, who does not hide his feelings. It can create the almost domestic situation of contact even with the unfamiliar people. Willingly he speaks compliments, is enraptured by those surrounding. It is optimistic and friendly. Obayatelen is coquettish, but it is too straight-line and rash in statements and behavior. This produces the impression of the apparent accessibility or theatricality. At times it is energetic, by periods concentrated. It looks directly, attentively, without blinking. The motions are sharp, are decisive. The gait is swift, is confident, although it is a little angular. Frequently has rounded face, loves originally, also, with the taste to dress, to produce impression, to be pleased by that surrounding.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Fi
    A relationship of revising discussions. You dominate the ethicality discussion, your mirror dominates the methodology discussion. You try to enlist him with ideas that are too demanding and too avant-garde for him and he tries to push you suggestions that seem too careful and self-serving. Your interest is to be more virtuous than he is. His interest is to get on with his life and find something for himself despite being virtuous.

    Dual: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Te

    Activity: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Te

    Super-ego: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Ti

    Contrary: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Fe

    Conflict: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne -Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Ti

    Quasi-identical: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Fe

    Look-alike: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Fi

    Comparative: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Ti

    Illusionary: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Ti

    Semi-dual: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Fe

    Superviser: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Ti

    Supervisee: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Fi

    Benefactor: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Fe

    Beneficee: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Te

    Other issues:
    In contact: Passionate way of talking
    Sexually: Childish
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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
    Slacker Mom wrote:
    Wow!

    We should keep this stuff like stickied at the top of the appropriate quadra when you're all done.

    <3


    I've been thinking myself that an article section version would be best, wouldn't have to separate it into sections.
    One guide to type them all, one guide to find them,
    One guide to bring them all, and in socionics bind them.

    And look, there's your type as well, up there. Smile
    I'd been feeling neglectful of ISTps so I've been trying to start with them and people relating in this thread. Fair play and all.
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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
    Type: SiFe - ISFp - SEI
    aka Dumas sr aka Johnny Depp aka Mediator aka Peacemaker

    Club: Socials
    The type's thoughts are internal in the sense that it is difficult for others to make sense of them, see what's going on, but the type's actions are not, it's active in a concrete physical way and it creates trust by its actions. It interacts both on the level of the mind and of the body and is in this way fully open to people.

    Quadra: Alpha
    Makes its own morals as it wills. Does what is possible, needed and allowed in its personal life and is not always happy to change its habits for the public, though is quite capable to do so. Great capability of adaptation. Possesses only very personal needs and thus has resources to spend. 'Hippie or Nobility ethics.' Unexpected and original talents and skills. Succeeding in 'impossible' things. Distorted sense of normality. Alternate point of view. Carnivale.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Strategy->Emotion-creating
    Having found an appropriate goal, it is lacking a way to get there (for a goal is not a goal when its reached). It is lost and needing to try new things. It can not easily discard ideas, suggestions or expertise because it does not know what is the thing that will help it to its coal, hence it's a student of everythin, an open ear for anyone who has something to say.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Carefree->Compliant
    It's greatly interested in increasing its resources. Its not necessarily particular to how or what, but it wants more, because it needs to be secure. It feels it's taken on a task that is greater than its means and any new resource, be it information, people or a better-paying job might be the thing it needs to succeed.

    Temperament analysis: IP (Cold, dynamic, irrational)
    It relates to a system of thought in which you first do what you want and then find rules to get around any obstacles that turn up. Uses energy only for things it directly needs to. Is highly responsive to stimuli. Tries to turn practice into theories.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Democratic
    It is inclined to bring together concrete issues, materials and people that all tend to find things in common with each other and create new ideas, theories, social bonds, duties, agreements and such. It turns concrete wealth into social resources. By itself it's weak, it tries to increase the interdependence of people.

    Negative/positive type: Negative
    It is inclined to accept a restricted sense of identity, 'retreat from the world', 'hide itself', inclined to talk mostly about negatives and restrictions, concentrates on problems and solving them. By its actions it turns the 'limiting' into the 'empowering'. 'Once all the work is done, what remains is free time', 'once all the enemies are done with, what remains is friends', 'once I get rid of my chains, I'm free'. Inclined to make the atmosphere more negative, wary.

    Result/process type: Process
    It is determined, focused, single-minded in action. It is a change-agent. It tries to bring its resources together to succeed in a single task at a time. By its actions it turns the 'accepting' into the creating'. It takes the base for its actions as granted and natural and tries to reach a conclusion.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Narrator
    Has integrated his life into a sensible whole which it adapts into varying circumstances. It's collected and establishes a personal presence. Is willing to create seeming contradictions as long as they make sense to it personally. By its actions it turns 'introvert' into 'extrovert', something that has many possible effects and outcomes.

    Analysis of the subtype-wheel:
    a) concrete: perceptive-accepting-limiting-introvert
    Being himself and 'just' himself. Knowing the most natural and comfortable way, is willing to try the alternatives. Staving off boredom and curious about anything that could make a change. Can share of its complete stability and does this even automatically.

    b) ->abstract: judging-creating-empowering-extrovert
    Uncertain of his connection to his surroundings, will try anything to create a connection. Wants to directly capture the audience or the idea, to puff itself up through its associations. Tries to rather possess a theory than master it. A sort of desperate greed for anything life offers.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko: 1. He is amicable, always appears optimistic and in a good spirits. He does not impose his will on others, hiding his real feelings. He is always equally warm, caring, smiling. He does not like to ask and moreover to demand favors, and strives to satisfy his needs through his own efforts.
    2. He appreciates all the facets of life, finely experiences nature and the arts. He is capable of remembering and reproducing emotions once experienced. Ayvazovsky painted his seascapes in a room with dark red walls and windows looking out in the opposite direction of the sea. He loves pleasures and knows how to bestow them – an artist in loving.
    3. Attentive and considerate. Tries not to infringe on others’ comfort. His very quick and consciously controlled emotional reactions aim to test or alter the emotions of the others. This results in many jokes – if they are out of turn he immediately takes them back. He is permanently in the process of emotional creativity, searching for the most effective ways to activate his partner. With exceptional ardor he manipulates the moods of his friends and relatives.
    4. Peacemaker. He dislikes to quarrel, say “no”, break undesired acquaintances – this is why he avoids sticky people. He needs a partner, who under certain circumstances will also not quarrel, but just slam the door and leave. This is just how his dual, Don Quixote, will act. It’s noteworthy that Alexander Dumas (the great French novelist) picked Ida Ferrier out of the many of his mistresses, because she kept him at a longer leash than the others.
    5. Who needs what? He remarks people’s needs, what motivates them, enjoys persuading everyone and winning them over to his side. But he needs his dual in order to know, whom he must convince and of what, because his dual possesses insights into potential capabilities of people, ideas, and undertakings.
    6. He does not like to make people aware of his existence while there is no need of him. He strives neither to stand out as an advanced man nor to lag too far behind. He does not like to compete, shows initiative only on his own “territory”. He prefers that in his family initiative and responsibility belong to his partner, even if he is the one to carry everything out. An interesting fact: before Alexander Dumas The Father began writing "The Three Musketeers", "The Count of Monte-Cristo" and many other books, his secret co-author Max wrote their drafts.
    7. "A tender calf is nursed by two cows." When he feels lousy, he is compelled to hide somewhere and recuperate. His mood is spoiled making him incapable of manipulating people, without this communication seems meaningless to him.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Sensory subtype seems calm and soft in the contact of people. Loves rest and comfort. Khozyaystvenen is practical. He tries to do everything with the refined taste. It is frequently occupied as the hobby by any artistic distributions. It is benevolent, tactful and nenavyazchiv, by its presence it pacifies others. He tries to sympathize, soak by council. It loves to speak about its sensations, it attentively questions collocutor about his matters. It is sluggish in the behavior and it is leisurely in the conversation, it slightly extends words, with difficulty it sometimes formulates thoughts. Even if it suffers tongue twister, it does not hurry with the end of conversation. It can for long and thoroughly speak about one and the same. Constantly confidence it smiles, it nods by head into the sign of support. It has lazy, smooth motions, refined, elegant gestures. It walks only waddle, or by "duck" gait. Nedemonstrativen, but its clothing and accessories sometimes attract attention of those surrounding.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Ethical subtype - living, emotional and free in the contact of people. Easily draws together distance in the contact, willingly the beret of collocutor for the hand, he speaks compliments. Its freedom bears the nuance of familiarity. Shyness can be changed by observations in the witty form. Irony and "podkalyvaniya" easily pass in the serious and valid tone. Frequently it jokes and it speaks even unpleasant things with smile in order not to offend man. Predupreditelen is thoughtful.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Fe

    Dual: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Ti

    Activity: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Ti

    Super-ego: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Te

    Contrary: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Fi

    Conflict: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Te

    Quasi-identical: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Fi

    Look-a-like: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Fe

    Comparative: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Te

    Illusionary: Se-Ti
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Ti

    Semi-dual: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Fi

    Superviser: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Te

    Supervisee: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Fe

    Benefactor: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Fi

    Beneficee: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Si - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Ti

    Other issues:
    In contact: Sincere way of talking
    Sexually: Caretaking
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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
    Type: NeTi - ENTp - ILE
    aka Ayn Rand aka Steven Spielberg aka Seeker aka Inventor

    Club: Rationals
    The type's actions are internal but its thoughts external in the sense that it has definite opinions but it will rarely do concrete actions according to them by itself. It is difficult to analyze its actions because it tends to passivity. It doesn't interact at the level of the body and it doesn't interact at the level of the mind. It stands apart of others, analyzes, suggests, plans, readies itself and its environment.

    Quadra: Alpha
    Makes its own morals as it wills. Does what is possible, needed and allowed in its personal life and is not always happy to change its habits for the public, though is quite capable to do so. Great capability of adaptation. Possesses only very personal needs and thus has resources to spend. 'Hippie or Nobility ethics.' Unexpected and original talents and skills. Succeeding in 'impossible' things. Distorted sense of normality. Alternate point of view. Carnivale.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Tactics->Creation-creating
    Having practiced and perfected a certain style of action it feels it's shown it's skills and no longer needs to listen to others. It's will confidently show others the correct way and will not listen to the advice of others. It is not by any means complacent about its skills and expertise, it furiously seeks to perfect its systems and methods but it is only any longer looking for very specific information and rarely finds a missing piece to increase its knowledge. It seeks to turn its knowledge into an institution.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Carefree->Compliant
    It's greatly interested in increasing its resources. Its not necessarily particular to how or what, but it wants more, because it needs to be secure. It feels it's taken on a task that is greater than its means and any new resource, be it information, people or a better-paying job might be the thing it needs to succeed.

    Temperament analysis: EP (Hot, Static, Irrational)
    It relates to a system in which you first check what everyone finds important in the environment. Then you create a system by which you have plenty of it. Uses energy for things that it doesn't necessarily need to. Has high responsiveness to stimuli. Tries to turn practice into theories.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Democratic
    It is inclined to bring together concrete issues, materials and people that all tend to find things in common with each other and create new ideas, theories, social bonds, duties, agreements and such. It turns concrete wealth into social resources. By itself it's weak, it tries to increase the interdependence of people.

    Negative/positive type: Positive
    It is inclined to scoff at limits, 'make itself known to the world', 'show itself', inclined to talk mostly about positives and possibilities, concentrates on what it thinks could, should and will happen. By its actions it turns the 'empowering' to the 'limiting'. 'I have the power to do whatever I want', I act of my free choice', 'I'm acting in my own interests'. Being empowered by the environment means being limited only by one's own viewpoint, creativity and motivation.

    Result/process type: Process
    It is determined, focused, single-minded in action. It is a change-agent. It tries to bring its resources together to succeed in a single task at a time. By its actions it turns the 'accepting' into the creating'. It takes the base for its actions as granted and natural and tries to reach a conclusion.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Taciturn
    Has no complete, total system to guide it's life, but a number of selected items and ideas that it tries to fit together as best as it can. It tries to make sense of things, tries to solve inconsistencies. By its actions it turns 'extrovert' into 'introvert', something that is well defined into implications. It's speculative.

    a) concrete: perceptive-accepting-empowering-extrovert
    Being liberated by one's creativity. Naturally finding new points of view, interesting and promising divergent pieces in anything. Like a kid in a candy store. Participates without being involved. Gives opinions that are not necessarily his. An ease of picking up new theories, speculating without prior experience.

    b) ->abstract: judging-creating-limiting-introvert
    Snobbish expertise. Considers himself possessing a treasure of important knowledge and mastery. Extraordinary pride, pomposity and belittlement of others. Prefers to debate only with interesting people with great aptitude. Uses only the best methods, accepts only the best point of view. Must prove himself to be better than others and greatly affected by flattery.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1. Two birds in the bush [he often chooses this option instead of one in his hand]. He is a genius at finding new opportunities and possibilities. What he has completed always seems to him less important compared to the dawning perspectives which are irresistible an inexhaustible. Scientists of this type tend to procrastinate with the publishing of the results of their research, thinking that the greatest discoveries are still ahead. He lives for the future; meanwhile being not acknowledged does not intimidate him. He chooses to do what is interesting rather than what is lucrative.
    2. Recharge. He needs to feel emotional enthusiasm and ardor, and thus needs permanent sensory and emotional "recharge". He is unable to supply it himself, so he depends a lot on his surrounding. If nobody feeds him with impressions and positive emotions (nobody can do it as well as his dual The Mediator) – he mopes about life, loses ability to work and taste for life. To compensate for the absence of his dual he begins to mix with a lot of friends, becomes active in social projects, starts up clubs or scientific schools (Sigmund Freud, a representative of this type, invented the concept of sublimation to explain this fact).
    3. A leader. He is a good organizer because he remarks potential possibilities in people and situations. If he is to wield power, he needs justification for it: why he must take that position, e.g. a critical situation that nobody else can deal with, assignment from the top. When he takes power, he begins to analyze the needs of his subordinates, tries to provide them with everything and only then makes the necessary demands on them.
    4. A servant. His dependence on the emotional ambiance of others produces an effect of extreme compliance in minor and routine things. Having freed himself thus from having to pay attention to such unpleasant things, he switches for his favorite activity – figuring out the essence of things and phenomena. He does not differentiate people into “us” and “them”, tries to be equally polite to everybody.
    5. Undifferentiated feeling. He believes that all people in their essence are kind and love one another. Therefore he looks funny enough when the situation requires initiative in expressing feelings – they are not his line at all.
    6. Danger. Critical situations pep him up as much as good others’ emotions. The more emotions and panic there is around him, the more active and assertive he becomes. It is impossible to intimidate him – an attempt to do so produces just the opposite outcome. He willingly takes responsibility in critical situations; however, in peaceful and quiet conditions he starts to doubt his right to occupy a responsible position, gets frustrated by the competition and leaves.
    7. Liberty of communication. He likes familiarity in communication, however, does not show initiative in this, but awaits it from others.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Intuitive subtype can produce the impression suspended, flying in the clouds, childlishly naive person. It is sociable, easily it enters into the conversation. Much reads, it is very inquisitive and it willingly discusses the obtained information with those surrounding, it is interested in their opinion. Its apparent shyness and shyness are combined with the imperturbability and the obstinacy, when it starts to defend its point of view. It loves to discuss, but rarely it leads to dispute would ending by conflict. It frequently smiles at those surrounding, even if they do not give to this of occasion. With the identical smile he tells about the ridiculous and about the serious. He tries to be amiable with all and is not offended to the observations. In its occupations it is patient and, in spite of a certain sparseness and forgetfulness, then that greatly it interests it, it leads to the end. Gestures and speech either are retarded or they are accelerated. Poses are unconstrained, view scattered, defocused. Gait and motions are weakened, they seem acted unsure or weakwilled.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Logical subtype tries to produce the impression of serious person. It can be sharp, at times even unceremonious. It is confident in itself, he says rapidly, usually in categorical tone. It is superfluously categorical in its judgments, it has a tendency to tie by others its opinion. It sometimes seems energetic and self-confident. It is impatient and always it cannot listen collocutor to the end. He frequently is fascinated by something new, attempts to find to it practical embodiment. It actively and energetically defends its interests. In this case it can flare up and offend man, but, after noting this, he tries to correct position. It is very proud and it can be insulted because of the trifle, talk roughnesses, and it will be again affable and benevolent after a certain time. It is not predicted and contrasting in its behavior. View - first scattered, then testing, tenacious. The gait and the gestures sweeping, confident, but are badly coordinated. Poses free, flattened. It easily draws together distance, it can embrace, kiss collocutor.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Ti

    Dual: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Fe

    Activity: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Fe

    Super-ego: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Fi

    Contrary: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Te

    Conflict: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Fi

    Quasi-identical: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Te

    Look-alike: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Ti

    Comparative: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Fi

    Illusionary: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Fi

    Semi-dual: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Te

    Superviser: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Fi

    Supervisee: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Ti

    Benefactor: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Te

    Beneficee: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ne - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Fe

    Other issues:
    In contact: Business-like way of talking
    Sexually: Childish
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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:02 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
    Type: FeSi - ESFj - ESE
    aka Bon vivant aka Enthusiast aka George W Bush aka Tom Cruise

    Club: Socials
    The type's thoughts are internal in the sense that it is difficult for others to make sense of them, see what's going on, but the type's actions are not, it's active in a concrete physical way and it creates trust by its actions. It interacts both on the level of the mind and of the body and is in this way fully open to people.

    Quadra: Alpha
    Makes its own morals as it wills. Does what is possible, needed and allowed in its personal life and is not always happy to change its habits for the public, though is quite capable to do so. Great capability of adaptation. Possesses only very personal needs and thus has resources to spend. 'Hippie or Nobility ethics.' Unexpected and original talents and skills. Succeeding in 'impossible' things. Distorted sense of normality. Alternate point of view. Carnivale.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Tactics->Creation-creating
    Having practiced and perfected a certain style of action it feels it's shown it's skills and no longer needs to listen to others. It's will confidently show others the correct way and will not listen to the advice of others. It is not by any means complacent about its skills and expertise, it furiously seeks to perfect its systems and methods but it is only any longer looking for very specific information and rarely finds a missing piece to increase its knowledge. It seeks to turn its knowledge into an institution.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Calculating->Obstinate
    It's inclined to go all out, to show all it has. It tries to be true to itself and give generously of itself. It is living the life it has prepared for for a long time. It is willing to sacrifice greatly of what it has. It's time to show it's true nature, courageously do what it's out to do. This is his moment and nobody can take it away.

    Temperament analysis: EJ (Hot, dynamic, rational)
    It relates to a system of thought in which you first analyze the environment's concrete needs and dangers and make a theory of how to correctly interact with it, and then test this theory by interaction. Uses energy for things that it doesn't directly need to. Is highly responsive to stimuli. Tries to turn theories into practice.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Democratic
    It is inclined to bring together concrete issues, materials and people that all tend to find things in common with each other and create new ideas, theories, social bonds, duties, agreements and such. It turns concrete wealth into social resources. By itself it's weak, it tries to increase the interdependence of people.

    Negative/positive type: Positive
    It is inclined to scoff at limits, 'make itself known to the world', 'show itself', inclined to talk mostly about positives and possibilities, concentrates on what it thinks could, should and will happen. By its actions it turns the 'empowering' to the 'limiting'. 'I have the power to do whatever I want', I act of my free choice', 'I'm acting in my own interests'. Being empowered by the environment means being limited only by one's own viewpoint, creativity and motivation.

    Result/process type: Result
    It is unfocused, open, multi-tasking in action. It tries to maintain status quo. It spends its resources in anything that seems worthwhile at the moment. By its actions it turns 'creating' into 'accepting'. It takes the base of its actions as situational, labile and tries to make the best of whatever's available.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Narrator
    Has integrated his life into a sensible whole which it adapts into varying circumstances. It's collected and establishes a personal presence. Is willing to create seeming contradictions as long as they make sense to it personally. By its actions it turns 'introvert' into 'extrovert', something that has many possible effects and outcomes.

    a) concrete: perceptive-creating-empowering-introvert
    Feels as if were able to do his job blinded, one hand tied behind back in a hurricane. And might prefer to do it that way for some variation and challenge. Willingly shares his skills with others and pushes for a chance to try them at a challenge. Frenetic, desperate for something to do. Shows off to get more credit and often ends up with less for it. Dazzles.

    b) ->abstract: judging-accepting-limiting-extrovert
    Inclined to throw everything it has to the accomplishment of some personal purpose. Naturally generous and bursting with emotions. Will not stop at a task once it's selected one. Adds a personal touch and flair to anything. Being fully vulnerable and out in the open prefers to not let others have the opportunity to critique it. It's self-confidence can usually take it, but it prefers not having it's style cramped.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:1. Ardent. He has a wide spectrum of powerful emotions. He is capable of staying true to the vision of his youth throughout his whole life (Henry Schliemann still in his childhood decided to excavate the city of Troy; to achieve his dream he had to get an education, in spite of his poverty, and to get rich). An admirer of the arts as a source of pleasure. He creates his mood by himself and knows how to make it contagious for others. Emotionally fine, kind, compassionate.
    2 Untiring. Always active, he is ever mixing with people, rushing to and from. He can easily switch from one task to another. He works very diligently. He does not prefer one errand to another, all should be accomplished whether interesting or not. This is not something to be discussed or analyzed; simply the work must be completed. He appears very self-assured and self-satisfied, as if succeeding without effort in all endeavors. It seems like he acts promptly and gets good results. However, he himself might not see it that way, so he greatly appreciates sincere compliments for his work.
    3. My home is your home. Hugo is a pleasant interlocutor and a very attentive listener. He can pick the right key to any person. He joys himself in making others happy. Revels in table talks and all sorts of merriment. All his considerate attention is for his guest. He is capable of understanding other people, admire them, approve of their deeds, and express compassion. He trusts people, is distant from envy taking pleasure in the successes of others. He accurately detects their flaws and makes fun of them, without any intent to insult the person.
    4. Traditionalist. He does not seek or like new solutions preferring older, time-tested methods. To solve the most intricate problems it is necessary for him to work alone, he gives too much attention to people and would be distracted if someone is around. When working among others he makes a lot of unnecessary movements, as if to disguise what he is really doing. In this way he draws to work his dual (The Analyst), which does not tolerate a commanding tone. He loves when people trust his word and do not demand for him to substantiate what he is saying. He is not aggressive, but he defends himself very actively. He won’t even let his superiors offend him.
    5. Adherent of order. He loves to dress up and takes good care of his appearance. He can’t tolerate any disorder or uncertainty in everything from his appearance to his garage and cubbyhole. He does not wish to adapt to the tastes of others. Compliments on his appearance are in vain – he believes he knows better how he looks. He takes not of not just spiritual qualities of his partner, but physical as well.
    6. Relationships in his life. People around him usually respect his opinion, but try not to communicate with him for too long, it is not easy to withstand his emotional charge. For the same reason he hasn’t too many close friends. He reaches his goals through his own hard work and does not hope for the assistance of others. What he values most in his life is his family. If he had to choose between love and a degree, he would choose the first, considering it a priority, while viewing science as a self-indulgence, a pleasurable avocation.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Ethical subtype is amiable and courteous, but it is obstinate and intractable in the questions significant for it. Because of this it can manifest superfluous persistence. It is inclined to lead everything to the end. To it it is difficult to in time stop, about which subsequently it can be sorry. He tries to be serious, restrained and polite in the contact, but it can render prolonged emotional pressing on those, who enter, from his point of view, it is incorrect. It loves to take collocutor for the hand, to touch his clothing. It knows how to prepare and to assume guests, but makes this not frequently, since more greatly it is absorbed by social activities. It loves to make gifts close one and knows how to find the suitable occasions for this. It dresses with the taste, but it is relatively modest. Gait is rapid, only jumping. More frequently it is thin, a little angular. Face can express dissatisfaction and disturbance, that are changed by radiant smile.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Sensory subtype is energetic, efficient and practical. It is emotional and sufficiently straight-line, but it is responsive and benevolent to the people it knows how to correct impression from its sharp statements. It is confident in itself, it is daring and skillful in the skill to be pleased. It is coquettish and pleasant, the intimate atmosphere in the contact is created. It is affectionate, frequently it embraces and forces against itself those, who to it are likable. It is attentive to the people is very thoughtful and obliging, but it can easily poskandalit', if something does not please itself it. In it sharp uvula, after the word into the pocket does not climb. The speech, as a rule, rapid, emotional, it willingly makes compliments, sometimes with the quip. It is fussy and restless, but it knows how interesting and gaily to rest. Epicure, knows how to tastefully prepare, gostepriimen. Mimicry is living, motion rapid and elegant. Somewhat rounded shapes of body frequently has. Dresses izyskanno, also, with charm, it loves expensive things, it occurs wasteful.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Fe

    Dual: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Ti

    Activity: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Ti

    Super-ego: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Te

    Contrary: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Fi

    Conflict: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Te

    Quasi-identical: Se-Fi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Fi

    Look-alike: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Te

    Comparative: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Fe

    Illusionary: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Fi

    Semi-dual: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Ti

    Superviser: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Fe

    Supervisee: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Fe

    Benefactor: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Ti

    Beneficee: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Si - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Fi

    Other issues:
    In contact: Passionate way of talking
    Sexually: Caretaking
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    - The best player destroys the game.

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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
    Type: TiNe - INTj - LII
    aka Descartes aka Robespierre aka Analyst

    Club: Rationals
    The type's actions are internal but its thoughts external in the sense that it has definite opinions but it will rarely do concrete actions according to them by itself. It is difficult to analyze its actions because it tends to passivity. It doesn't interact at the level of the body and it doesn't interact at the level of the mind. It stands apart of others, analyzes, suggests, plans, readies itself and its environment.

    Quadra: Alpha
    Makes its own morals as it wills. Does what is possible, needed and allowed in its personal life and is not always happy to change its habits for the public, though is quite capable to do so. Great capability of adaptation. Possesses only very personal needs and thus has resources to spend. 'Hippie or Nobility ethics.' Unexpected and original talents and skills. Succeeding in 'impossible' things. Distorted sense of normality. Alternate point of view. Carnivale.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Strategy->Emotion-creating
    Having found an appropriate goal, it is lacking a way to get there (for a goal is not a goal when its reached). It is lost and needing to try new things. It can not easily discard ideas, suggestions or expertise because it does not know what is the thing that will help it to its coal, hence it's a student of everythin, an open ear for anyone who has something to say.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Calculating->Obstinate
    It's inclined to go all out, to show all it has. It tries to be true to itself and give generously of itself. It is living the life it has prepared for for a long time. It is willing to sacrifice greatly of what it has. It's time to show it's true nature, courageously do what it's out to do. This is his moment and nobody can take
    First eliminate every possible source of error. Thence success is inevitable.

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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
    Type: TiNe - INTj - LII
    aka Descartes aka Robespierre aka Analyst

    Club: Rationals
    The type's actions are internal but its thoughts external in the sense that it has definite opinions but it will rarely do concrete actions according to them by itself. It is difficult to analyze its actions because it tends to passivity. It doesn't interact at the level of the body and it doesn't interact at the level of the mind. It stands apart of others, analyzes, suggests, plans, readies itself and its environment.

    Quadra: Alpha
    Makes its own morals as it wills. Does what is possible, needed and allowed in its personal life and is not always happy to change its habits for the public, though is quite capable to do so. Great capability of adaptation. Possesses only very personal needs and thus has resources to spend. 'Hippie or Nobility ethics.' Unexpected and original talents and skills. Succeeding in 'impossible' things. Distorted sense of normality. Alternate point of view. Carnivale.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Strategy->Emotion-creating
    Having found an appropriate goal, it is lacking a way to get there (for a goal is not a goal when its reached). It is lost and needing to try new things. It can not easily discard ideas, suggestions or expertise because it does not know what is the thing that will help it to its coal, hence it's a student of everythin, an open ear for anyone who has something to say.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Calculating->Obstinate
    It's inclined to go all out, to show all it has. It tries to be true to itself and give generously of itself. It is living the life it has prepared for for a long time. It is willing to sacrifice greatly of what it has. It's time to show it's true nature, courageously do what it's out to do. This is his moment and nobody can take it away.

    Temperament analysis: IJ (Cold, Static, Rational)
    It relates to a system in which you first analyze your personal willigness to change the world, then you go and do it. Uses energy only for things that it needs to. Has low responsiveness to stimuli. Tries to turn theories into practice.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Democratic
    It is inclined to bring together concrete issues, materials and people that all tend to find things in common with each other and create new ideas, theories, social bonds, duties, agreements and such. It turns concrete wealth into social resources. By itself it's weak, it tries to increase the interdependence of people.

    Negative/positive type: Negative
    It is inclined to accept a restricted sense of identity, 'retreat from the world', 'hide itself', inclined to talk mostly about negatives and restrictions, concentrates on problems and solving them. By its actions it turns the 'limiting' into the 'empowering'. 'Once all the work is done, what remains is free time', 'once all the enemies are done with, what remains is friends', 'once I get rid of my chains, I'm free'. Inclined to make the atmosphere more negative, wary.

    Result/process type: Result
    It is unfocused, open, multi-tasking in action. It tries to maintain status quo. It spends its resources in anything that seems worthwhile at the moment. By its actions it turns 'creating' into 'accepting'. It takes the base of its actions as situational, labile and tries to make the best of whatever's available.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Taciturn
    Has no complete, total system to guide it's life, but a number of selected items and ideas that it tries to fit together as best as it can. It tries to make sense of things, tries to solve inconsistencies. By its actions it turns 'extrovert' into 'introvert', something that is well defined into implications. It's speculative.

    a) concrete: perceptive-creating-limiting-extrovert
    Has found an empty spot of knowledge that has to be filled. An important matter to be clarified, but with much information around it. A great, personally defining task. Self-concious about the hole in his knowledge, tries to fill it in the most direct way possible, wants to affirm himself and others that the solution and the answer exists and he can find it if he just tries enough. Intensely truthful and vulnerable, possesses great motivation to make oneself better. Will take the role of the teacher and is inclined to turn down help but maintains the seeming of one who is asking for it, one who is lost. Intensely curious but cares about informational content only as far as it relates to his personal interest. Will quickly discard things it doesn't want.

    b) ->abstract: judging-accepting-empowering-introvert
    Tries to armor himself with self-defined logic. Will use any material to support his chosen matters. A natural inclination to correct things so they are in line with his point of view. Tries to find the path to connect the dots in a favourable way. Can obsess to find a way around opposing viewpoints or information that doesn't seem to fit and will accept any given reason to discard such. Creator of entirely new ideas.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1. "I think therefore I am". He is a man of developed logical faculty, a strong capability for analysis. He knows how to dig to the essence of things, to reveal their internal structure. A representative of this personality type, Carl Gustav Jung, drew the underlying basics of the functional typology used in Socionics. "Providence has created myself for quiet study work, to which it dedicated all the rapture of my soul", – said Thomas Jefferson, during whose presidency the territory of the US has grown nearly double. He considers all situations of life from the logical viewpoint.
    2. "Justice is my trade". This is a type of a revolutionary or a political conspirator. In a conflict situation he usually organizes a committee to punish the offender. He believes that everything in the world must be logical and consequently just. He is capable of neglecting his own profit and safety when defending the offended. He sets for himself very high requirements. Unless somebody else takes care of him, he can easily drive himself to starvation. Garibaldi, Robespierre, Dzierzhynski, Jefferson are revolutionaries who devoted themselves to an idea.
    3. Ascetic. He appears extremely uncompromising, often looks down with a piercing look from under his philosopher’s forehead. He toughens himself, training for the cold, starvation, losses and disapproval of others. The only aspect where he willingly concedes to his partner is the issue of dressing, taste and routine chores. The necessity to be responsible for these things irritates him. Usually he even does not notice the quality of his clothing. He does not tolerate orders. His dual The Bonvivant, as if being aware of that, involves him into work not by direct orders but begins to fuss about, to make a lot of unnecessary movements – then The Analyst gets involved, and the work goes rapidly, logically and soundly. He himself does not show much initiative, is reclusive and silent.
    4. Somewhat tender and capricious. His self-sacrifice in defending justice becomes especially mind-boggling, if one knows that he feels irritated by everything that disturbs silence and the measured way of his life. He is very concerned about living healthy. Thusly Rene Descartes "considered health as the principal of mortal goods second to the Truth". In his youth he often tends to a cheerful lifestyle with many friends, games of chance, booze. Later he comes to the conclusion that all those things are something other than what he really needs. He is not very ambitious but he does not tolerate when others get ahead of him in their career, out of the same feeling of justice. He finds himself in an especially hard situation when having to obey a boss whom he does not respect.
    5. "He led a happy life who sheltered himself well". He is very secretive, dislikes uninvited visitors. He sharply reacts to reprimands, but sometimes hides his irritation under an artificial smile.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Logical subtype is usually calm, serious and restrained. It is sufficiently categorical, obstinate and even categorical in the judgments. When the theme of its conversation does not interest, it is taciturn and severe, it looks sullenly into the support at the collocutor. Its cold penetrating view is difficult to maintain. If collocutor behaves is very validly, it can place him on the place. It knows how clearly and laconically, without the excess emotions to express its thought, does not love long discussions. Much time conducts in the reflections, analyzing and comparing different phenomena, numbers and facts. The impression of volitional person is produced. Lips are tightly compressed, the speech clear, jerky, but voice is not rich in nuances. Is held exactly, correctly, bezemotsional'no. However, the mimicry of face, which usually thickened, reflects internal emotions by the unexpected impulsive motions of muscles.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Intuitive subtype appears somewhat uncertain and even soft in the contact of people. It is not always categorical in the statements, but is sufficiently obstinate beskompromissen in its behavior. It can keep silent and restrain from the discussion, but its opinion it will not change. Its concealed emotionalism is manifested at the moment of extreme nervous tension in the intonations of voice and the impulsive gestures. In the conversation it is restrained, attentive, he tries to arrange to itself collocutor, giving advice and impressing by his knowledge and conclusions. In such cases its serious view softens, in the voice the benevolence appears. It can draw together distance in the contact; however, to the known limit. The gait is calm, is synchronous, is noticeable zazhatost' in the arms. Motions, on the contrary, are a little retarded and neuverenny. Poses forged, gestures - meager and restrained, rarely unconsciously impulsive, badly coordinated.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Ti

    Dual: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Fe

    Activity: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Fe

    Super-ego: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Fi

    Contrary: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Te

    Conflict: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Fi

    Quasi-identical: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Te

    Look-alike: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Fi

    Comparative: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Ti

    Illusionary: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Te

    Semi-dual: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Fe

    Superviser: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Ti

    Supervisee: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Fi

    Benefactor: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Fe

    Beneficee: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ne - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Te

    Other issues:
    In contact: Cold (as in harsh) way of talking
    Sexually: Childish
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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
    Type: FeNi - ENFj - EIE
    aka Hamlet aka Trotsky aka Mentor aka Leader

    Club: Humanitarians
    The type's thoughts and actions are both internal in the sense that it is difficult for others to make sense of them, see what's going on, decide what kind of a position to take towards them. It avoids making a stand either in action or in thought. It interacts on the level of the mind but not of the body. It is peaceful, open-minded, passive.

    Quadra: Beta
    Cares about the moral opinions of a selected group of close people in a very strong way. Seeks to enforce these systems and values and their results to all people. Creating conflict for gaining a greater part of available resources. Adventurer or gang ethics. A sense of passion and danger. "Society is the enemy and the prize." Willingness to take up great tasks and endure great hardship, to face impossible odds. Constant readiness. Exposing a group, theory or idea to great stress to see how far it can go.

    Analysis of strategy cycle:Creation-creating->Strategy
    After spent a lot of time with the old, the known, the comfortable, the safe, it's wondering what is it all for, anyway. The glitter and the meaning is gone. It starts to feel that it wants out of the system, it wants to find something for itself. It still respects its commitments and ideologies, but its gotten tired and cynical and it could really do with a motivational push.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Obstinate->Carefree
    Its been going all out for a long time and now its getting weary. Its slowly starting to doubt the stability of the things it believed in and is willing to try some personal maneuvers to gain resources to either support the idea or prepare for its downfall.

    Temperament analysis: EJ (Hot, dynamic, rational)
    It relates to a system of thought in which you first analyze the environment's concrete needs and dangers and make a theory of how to correctly interact with it, and then test this theory by interaction. Uses energy for things that it doesn't directly need to. Is highly responsive to stimuli. Tries to turn theories into practice.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Aristocratic
    It is inclined to test theories and systems of morality in action, and thereby twist them until they break. By its actions it changes the 'judging' to the 'perceiving'. It tends to understand rules, theories, systems, feelings and social relations in a definite, binding way and do what they make it do. But the activity that it is pushed to, makes it question the original idea that made it act.

    Negative/positive type: Negative
    It is inclined to accept a restricted sense of identity, 'retreat from the world', 'hide itself', inclined to talk mostly about negatives and restrictions, concentrates on problems and solving them. By its actions it turns the 'limiting' into the 'empowering'. 'Once all the work is done, what remains is free time', 'once all the enemies are done with, what remains is friends', 'once I get rid of my chains, I'm free'. Inclined to make the atmosphere more negative, wary.

    Result/process type: Process
    It is determined, focused, single-minded in action. It is a change-agent. It tries to bring its resources together to succeed in a single task at a time. By its actions it turns the 'accepting' into the creating'. It takes the base for its actions as granted and natural and tries to reach a conclusion.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Taciturn
    Has no complete, total system to guide it's life, but a number of selected items and ideas that it tries to fit together as best as it can. It tries to make sense of things, tries to solve inconsistencies. By its actions it turns 'extrovert' into 'introvert', something that is well defined into implications. It's speculative.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1. To be or not to be? A serious person focused on global problems. Sees the world in dramatic, even tragic colors. Expects all kinds of trouble. Beethoven’s four notes – the theme of fate – sound like the theme of his life. He takes personal problems and addresses them on a global scale. Meanwhile he often also strives to give something back to mankind.
    2. Romantic. Tends to permanent doubts and wavering. Sometimes seems to people around him to be an irritable, easily excitable individual. For example any unnecessary movements put him off, because the world as it is already seems to him too dynamic. Does not like to take initiative. He values feelings above cold-minded analysis.
    3. Strategist. Knows how to time his efforts. Bravely enters a situation once he had carefully studied it and prepared everything ahead of time. He waits for the right time to make a move, makes arrangements for any possible turn of events, anticipates and plans against any problems, and then acts assertively, without taking a chance. He does not take his job lightly, feels responsible to complete the project he undertakes. Struggles for victory at any cost – it is easier for him to suffer defeat than settle for a compromise. In emergency situations his redundant caution disappears without any trace.
    4. Good vs. evil. He never does things he considers as evil, and is very intolerable to evil in others. However, his ethical theory is based on his own principles, without consideration for customs and authority. Sometimes his views on problems of good and evil are very original. In any case he consequently acts on them and insistently defends them.
    5. Attentive to people. He is sometimes even imposing and demanding, sympathizes with them, tries to rescue them during hard times. It is not so easy to get along with him, since he is not lighthearted in his attitude towards life. More likely he is a good family man/woman. He expresses his feelings for his partner not so much through material care, as with dramatic narratives and warnings against possible dangers. The latter quality is quite important for his dual (The Inspector) who is not very capable of forecasting future events. You may call him late at night; to your question "Did I wake you up?" he will reply cheerfully "You did!" (The Humanist, who also tends to empathize, will nevertheless reply "Not at all" in a tone of voice that will make you feel ashamed).
    6. Unaesthetic in routine. He does not like to take care of routine chores in presence of others as a rule, in general unable to work while being watched. If he can, he will send everyone away to run an errand. He is very fearful that his movements would seem clumsy, unaesthetic.
    7. "Proud". He has a characteristic seemingly arrogant way of carrying himself. People may get an impression that he is acting, beefing up his own importance. He is a good leader.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged:
    Ethical subtype tries to behave according to the rules of a good tone. This is - internally emotional, but usually modest and restrained in the expression of his feelings person. It is touchy even we wound, in the soul it frequently survives dramatic emotions, but with the strangers it is held in control and does not give to them will. To it it is difficult properly to be weakened, it is internally stressed, we wound and it is sufficiently proud. It has many complexes, from which it frequently suffers, but in this case outwardly it is proud and inaccessible. It is usually reserved, careful, it thinks over everything in advance. Are somewhat acted unsure of itself, but it is patient and persistent, it knows how to attain its purposes. It is very exacting to that so that the surrounding soblyudali ethical standards of behavior, and frequently it cannot be held from the observations and the councils, if it sees that people enter, from its point of view, it is incorrect. The rapid change of mood is characteristic of it. First is cold- haughty, obstinate and demanding, then soft, sincere, courteous and even defenseless. Motions smooth, are sometimes emphasized demonstrative. It dresses modestly, also, with the taste, and if it wants, it can appear very effectively.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Intuitive subtype - original creative personality, extravagant and not predicted. It is very inquisitive and talkative. It is sufficiently emotional, we wound vpechatlitelen. It is internally stressed, frequent doubts and fluctuations are experienced, because of what it is sufficiently variable in its solutions. It occurs quick tempered and cuttings. Very artistichen, is emotional raskreposhchen, easily and freely are expressed its feelings. The mood of others feels well and it skillfully it governs. He speaks with a feeling and enthusiasm, even with the enthusiasm. It is very ironic, critical, it is sometimes caustic and haughty. In a good mood it can become the center of attention to any company. It is sufficiently practical, although to it confidence does not be sufficient in itself. The impression of business, active and sociable person is produced. It dresses sometimes uncommonly and extravagantly, and sometimes simply it is modest. The motions are irregular, are impulsive, but not flattened, but stopped up.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Fe

    Dual: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Ni

    Activity: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Ti

    Super-ego: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Te

    Contrary: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Fi

    Conflict: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Te

    Quasi-identical: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Fi

    Look-alike: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Te

    Comparative: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Fe

    Illusionary: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Fi

    Semi-dual: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Acc-Ti

    Superviser: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Fe

    Supervisee: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Te

    Benefactor: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Ti

    Beneficee: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fe - Cre-Fi

    Other issues:
    In contact: Passionate way of talking
    Sexually: Victim
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    Smilingeyes wrote:

    Quadra: Alpha
    Makes its own morals as it wills. Does what is possible, needed and allowed in its personal life and is not always happy to change its habits for the public, though is quite capable to do so. Great capability of adaptation. Possesses only very personal needs and thus has resources to spend. 'Hippie or Nobility ethics.' Unexpected and original talents and skills. Succeeding in 'impossible' things. Distorted sense of normality. Alternate point of view. Carnivale.


    Hope you don't mind me asking questions in the middle. Smile
    Perhaps sometime you could explain why this applies to all Alphas...

    "Unexpected and original talents and skills. Succeeding in 'impossible' things. Distorted sense of normality. Alternate point of view."

    ...I see these applying to NTs (Alphas and otherwise). Why do they apply to SF Alphas?
    ...Aren't S types good at having a stable sense of normality (rather than a distorted one)? Isn't succeeding at "impossible" things kind of the obsession of NTs, not so much, say ESFjs?

    "Makes its own morals as it wills."
    ...Does this apply to ESFjs as much as it applies to INTjs? Aren't ESFjs supposed to be somewhat conservative, with a strong sense of what's socially acceptable?

    "Great capability of adaptation."
    ...Would this apply as much to ESFjs and INTjs as it does to ENTps and ISFps? In what sense, for example, would an ESFj have a greater capability of adaptation than, say, an ESFp or INTp?

    So, I still have trouble seeing this as describing all Alpha types...but perhaps you could convince me otherwise. :-)
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    Jonathan wrote:

    Hope you don't mind me asking questions in the middle. Smile
    Perhaps sometime you could explain why this applies to all Alphas...

    So, I still have trouble seeing this as describing all Alpha types...but perhaps you could convince me otherwise. :-)


    Hi, s'okay to ask. I'm not sure I can answer this any better though...
    What I'm doing here is deriving things straight from the dichotomies. So, the answer is pretty much already there, right in front of you. I can try to say it in other words but I'm not sure it'll make any more sense that way.

    The definition of what's alpha hangs on the dichotomies of subjective vs. objective and judicious vs. resolute.


    Jonathan wrote:

    "Unexpected and original talents and skills. Succeeding in 'impossible' things. Distorted sense of normality. Alternate point of view."

    ...I see these applying to NTs (Alphas and otherwise). Why do they apply to SF Alphas?



    You read the answer I gave to FDG about the 'rules of the rat race'? That's Se Ni. Gamma are about turning these commonly accepted rules into ideas and social bonds and such. That's why they're so square. Si Ne is the opposite of that, it's a 'comfortable' selected very personal reality. It's the bloody social galapagos islands. Everyone caring only about what suits themselves. So Alphas are people who start from these intensely personal circumstances that are vital to themselves but completely different from the reality everyone else knows. Think it on these terms. Your living room is not normal. It's not a standard that everyone knows. Neither is your work place. Neither are your personal friends. If you focus on what's close to you personally, and stop reading newspapers, stop being interested about politics, stock markets, community matters, the opinions of colleagues etc. you get a personal view of normality that has nothing to do with the general view of normality. General view of normality is of course an abstract and absurd thing, but it's what keeps the society going. And this is why people who are centered only on their own matters tend to seem 'special'.

    You specifically ask about Si alphas... Think about the concept of a favourite chair or a favourite wine. Do these intensely personal things have some objectively measurable commonly known special properties that are significant in the grand scale of things? No. Check how an alpha SF reacts when you take it away from him. Guarantee you'll get a reaction. This is the personal touch that creates a 'distortion' from the 'normal'. Is it wrong or abnormal to possess favourite things? No. But the specific abnormality you have is still always an abnormality. There's no common favourite chair, it's a favourite chair from your personal abnormal point of view. If you're alpha, you're more likely to care about the personally useful than the generally useful. If you're gamma, you tend to give additional value to things that are generally useful.

    As for skills, why the FUCK would an ISFp be less skilled than an ENTp?!#

    Jonathan wrote:

    ...Aren't S types good at having a stable sense of normality (rather than a distorted one)?


    It can be stable and still distorted. Say you're a 7feet tall ISFp, sensory ISFp. As far as you care, it's correct to be 7 feet tall, you feel ok with it. It's normal and functional. People still think you and your viewpoint are abnormal. And in this case I'm using normal to point to the general view of things, the common paradigm.

    Jonathan wrote:

    Isn't succeeding at "impossible" things kind of the obsession of NTs, not so much, say ESFjs?


    Eh, why would it be?
    Let's put this into more familiar and generally acceptable terms. Think about an ESFj and let's say that this particular ESFj thinks he'll be able to do three jobs, be a stay at home dad and keep up a cocaine habit without causing himself trouble. The general reaction is that this is impossible. Most people wouldn't try. Yet an ESFj might try and succeed.

    Jonathan wrote:

    "Makes its own morals as it wills."
    ...Does this apply to ESFjs as much as it applies to INTjs? Aren't ESFjs supposed to be somewhat conservative, with a strong sense of what's socially acceptable?


    That's a very strange idea concerning ESFjs. ESFj fun is as likely to include prostitutes as choir singing. There's hardly anything an ESFj won't try for kicks.


    Jonathan wrote:

    "Great capability of adaptation."
    ...Would this apply as much to ESFjs and INTjs as it does to ENTps and ISFps? In what sense, for example, would an ESFj have a greater capability of adaptation than, say, an ESFp or INTp?


    Because of one person's viewpoint on normality being faster to change than collective humanity's viewpoint. Alphas are only responsible for the one. There's less contradictions.


    EDIT:
    The above is not meant to say that all alphas are identical in the way that the alpha dichotomy manifests in them. Each type certainly has differences and so do their subtypes. But a variation of a theme is still a part of the theme.

    EDIT2:
    About ESFjs. ESFjs are far more likely to try these nonconservative things if they're along with people who are themselves nonconservative. But seriously, have you seen an ENTp-ESFj activity partnership in action. Wild.
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    I'm sorry to barge in but I only have one question.

    Smilingeyes wrote:
    He does not like to ask and moreover to demand favors, and strives to satisfy his needs through his own efforts.


    Is this sentence related to a particular function or is it more of a general nature?


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    Smilingeyes wrote:


    Hi, s'okay to ask. I'm not sure I can answer this any better though...


    Thanks for putting up with all my questioning. Smile You've obviously thought a lot about this.

    Quote:
    You read the answer I gave to FDG about the 'rules of the rat race'? That's Se Ni. Gamma are about turning these commonly accepted rules into ideas and social bonds and such. That's why they're so square. Si Ne is the opposite of that, it's a 'comfortable' selected very personal reality. It's the bloody social galapagos islands.


    A very good argument for me not being Gamma and possibly Alpha instead. Your description suggests that Gammas are the social insiders, the people who like and live by the "rat race." It's interesting because some of the famous people who have been considered Introverted IntutionExtraverted Thinking don't seem to represent that way of thinking...for example, Socrates, Woody Allen, and Dmitri Shostakovitch. Socrates challenged the rat race. Woody Allen representing himself as being clueless about the rat race. Shostakovitch's deeply personal music seems far removed from the rat race.

    Of course, perhaps you disagree that those people are ILI (or I may misunderstand your point).

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    As for skills, why the ... would an ISFp be less skilled than an ENTp?!#


    I obviously was sloppy in what I said; I certainly didn't mean to imply that one type is less skilled than another, but I understand why it sounded as if I did. However, if one interprets the description in question that way, then that would imply that non-Alphas are less skilled than Alphas.

    Also, I tend to think that certain types do what is practical and possible, and not because they're less skilled...and I thought that S types were more likely to be like that, but I may be wrong about that, and I can see why it wouldn't necessarily be the case. You may find it interesting, though, to read Expat's recent contribution to the Te type descriptions thread you started in the Gamma section. He suggests that INFps are inclined to do passionately set themselves to work on infeasible goals. I'm not sure this is so, but I do think that Gammas and Betas may try to do the "impossible" just as much as Alphas and Deltas.

    Quote:

    It can be stable and still distorted.


    I see your point, coming from Jung's definition of introverted sensing, which is described in quite different terms as Si in Socionics.

    Quote:
    That's a very strange idea concerning ESFjs. ESFj fun is as likely to include prostitutes as choir singing. There's hardly anything an ESFj won't try for kicks.


    You got me there! The reason why I said what I said was that every MBTI and Keirsey description of ESFJs describes them as socially conservative and believing in lots of "shoulds" and "shouldn'ts," and that's quite removed from my actual experience with ESFJs. You're absolutely right here.

    Quote:
    Because of one person's viewpoint on normality being faster to change than collective humanity's viewpoint. Alphas are only responsible for the one. There's less contradictions.


    Are you implying that Gammas always care about what "other people think"? Perhaps the Socionists who typed Richard Feynman as ENTj were wrong...?

    As to my experiences with people I consider Gamma or possibly Gamma...some definitely want behavior to conform to social norms; some don't seem to care, or don't even feel comfortable in knowing what the norms are (e.g., the Woody Allen type).

    I suppose my image of INTjs would be more likely to blatantly ignore social norms than someone who is merely ignorant of or uncomfortable with them though...
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    Winterpark wrote:
    I'm sorry to barge in but I only have one question.

    Smilingeyes wrote:
    He does not like to ask and moreover to demand favors, and strives to satisfy his needs through his own efforts.


    Is this sentence related to a particular function or is it more of a general nature?


    (PS. Great work, thanks for putting this up.)


    Hiyah Winterpark...
    That phrase is by Gulenko and I don't really consider my responsible for what he writes, I don't automatically agree with everything the quotes for typespotting in these descriptions include.

    But... Yeah, I do think ISFps have that property, as to what does it derive from... IPs have very personal very concrete goals. They in general have difficulty seeing a reason for anyone else to help them, and they are in general quite reasonable in this thought. So dichotomically that would tie into the temperament IP and the strategic goal-orientedness. But actually that might also be the wrong way to go about looking at this, because well... if you're ISFp you're all ISFp, all the ISFp dichotomies in some way or another. If you talk about type-spotting traits, they aren't necessarily related to a single dichotomy but the whole package. It's slightly dangerous to go that way. (Not that I always let that stop me either )

    I'll try to get back on this when I start more individuation for the types, there's some stuff about how this relates to Fe as well...
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    Jonathan wrote:
    Smilingeyes wrote:

    You read the answer I gave to FDG about the 'rules of the rat race'? That's Se Ni. Gamma are about turning these commonly accepted rules into ideas and social bonds and such. That's why they're so square. Si Ne is the opposite of that, it's a 'comfortable' selected very personal reality. It's the bloody social galapagos islands.


    A very good argument for me not being Gamma and possibly Alpha instead. Your description suggests that Gammas are the social insiders, the people who like and live by the "rat race." It's interesting because some of the famous people who have been considered Introverted IntutionExtraverted Thinking don't seem to represent that way of thinking...for example, Socrates, Woody Allen, and Dmitri Shostakovitch. Socrates challenged the rat race. Woody Allen representing himself as being clueless about the rat race. Shostakovitch's deeply personal music seems far removed from the rat race.

    Of course, perhaps you disagree that those people are ILI (or I may misunderstand your point).


    I'm not sure that I'd call them social insiders, that brings more to mind the privileged group thinking of Ti-Fe. I guess using the word 'rat race' is slightly inconvenient but I really couldn't find a better word, oh dear. I admit I know little of Socrates and Allen and even less of Shosta, but I've understood that Shosta actually idolized the groups that he was accused of criticizing and was in the end a religious sentimentalist. So yes, I'm not quite certain that NiTe is what springs up in my mind first. As for Allen and Socrates, I understand that their targets were and are generally hypocrisy and sophistry, not people who are just doing their jobs to get paid. I don't see a contradiction between this and being NiTe.

    Let me give one more example of what I consider to be the rules that betas and gammas use, the rat race thing...

    Let's imagine a big fresh lawn in the middle of a city. A decision is made that there should be walk paths through it. A gamma gardener would be inclined to wait, look at where people walk and wait for the paths to appear by themselves, then he would turn those footprint paths into paved walkways. In this metaphor, the people who just walk through the fresh lawn and make the original foot paths are a representation of the betas. Is that in any way helpful?

    Jonathan wrote:

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    As for skills, why the ... would an ISFp be less skilled than an ENTp?!#


    I obviously was sloppy in what I said; I certainly didn't mean to imply that one type is less skilled than another, but I understand why it sounded as if I did. However, if one interprets the description in question that way, then that would imply that non-Alphas are less skilled than Alphas.


    Sorry about snapping. I am just generally quite pissed off by the 'NTs are the greatest, especially alphas' image that is doing the rounds. But as for alphas being more skilled than others, again I don't see why. If you spend time developing original special skills it means you have less time to become adept at commonplace skills. From the view of the marketplace this can mean that an alpha is a highly trained miracle-working specialist or it can mean that he's a good for nothing untrainable freak.

    Jonathan wrote:

    Also, I tend to think that certain types do what is practical and possible, and not because they're less skilled...and I thought that S types were more likely to be like that, but I may be wrong about that, and I can see why it wouldn't necessarily be the case. You may find it interesting, though, to read Expat's recent contribution to the Te type descriptions thread you started in the Gamma section. He suggests that INFps are inclined to do passionately set themselves to work on infeasible goals. I'm not sure this is so, but I do think that Gammas and Betas may try to do the "impossible" just as much as Alphas and Deltas.


    As for impossibilities, you're in my opinion correct, but the definition of the impossible varies for each group Smile You'll find my beta -description also includes the word impossible.
    The kind of impossibilities that alphas do are in my opinion things that are to themselves natural and possibly even easy. It's just that their view point of what's natural is different from the normal (with each alpha also possessing divergent views from each other). As for Sensory skills and tendencies... Let's think about checking how many cherries you can fit into your mouth at a given time or doing a hand-stand while swallowing a sword on a speeding snow-mobile or singlehandedly beating up six guys in a bar fight. I think these are all undeniably sensory skills but their practicality and even feasibility might be questioned by other people, even other sensory oriented people.

    Jonathan wrote:

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    Because of one person's viewpoint on normality being faster to change than collective humanity's viewpoint. Alphas are only responsible for the one. There's less contradictions.


    Are you implying that Gammas always care about what "other people think"? Perhaps the Socionists who typed Richard Feynman as ENTj were wrong...?

    As to my experiences with people I consider Gamma or possibly Gamma...some definitely want behavior to conform to social norms; some don't seem to care, or don't even feel comfortable in knowing what the norms are (e.g., the Woody Allen type).

    I suppose my image of INTjs would be more likely to blatantly ignore social norms than someone who is merely ignorant of or uncomfortable with them though...



    Umm, no I'm not quite suggesting that. I could have construed my sentence better, yes. I'd say that the gamma connection to public opinion would be something like... 'I create the correct public point of view.' (because I'm only using materials that are generally available and possess no special talents.) They're abstract judgers and concrete perceivers after all... So they're not actually bound by the public opinion but they do care about it. Even Woody and Socrates are and were socially concious and socially active.
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    Type: NiFe - INFp - IEI
    aka Lyricist aka Romantic aka Rousseau aka Kierkegaard

    Club: Humanitarians
    The type's thoughts and actions are both internal in the sense that it is difficult for others to make sense of them, see what's going on, decide what kind of a position to take towards them. It avoids making a stand either in action or in thought. It interacts on the level of the mind but not of the body. It is peaceful, open-minded, passive.

    Quadra: Beta
    Cares about the moral opinions of a selected group of close people in a very strong way. Seeks to enforce these systems and values and their results to all people. Creating conflict for gaining a greater part of available resources. Adventurer or gang ethics. A sense of passion and danger. "Society is the enemy and the prize." Willingness to take up great tasks and endure great hardship, to face impossible odds. Constant readiness. Exposing a group, theory or idea to great stress to see how far it can go.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Emotion-creating->Tactics
    After having spent a lot of time trying new things, it's chosen a path that it's decided to walk, at least for the moment. It is not certain of it's way but it doesn't want to just hang around all the time, it wants to get somewhere, so it decides to trust it's experience and try what it knows in practice. It's quite ready to go back and choose another path, but it would like to become an expert in its chosen methods.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Compliant->Calculative
    It thinks it has sufficient resources and knowledge to spread its wings and try to push a bit, make some personal choices, deviate slightly from the most careful path, throw its weight around. It begins investing what it's collected.

    Temperament analysis: IP (Cold, dynamic, irrational)
    It relates to a system of thought in which you first do what you want and then find rules to get around any obstacles that turn up. Uses energy only for things it directly needs to. Is highly responsive to stimuli. Tries to turn practice into theories.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Aristocratic
    It is inclined to test theories and systems of morality in action, and thereby twist them until they break. By its actions it changes the 'judging' to the 'perceiving'. It tends to understand rules, theories, systems, feelings and social relations in a definite, binding way and do what they make it do. But the activity that it is pushed to, makes it question the original idea that made it act.

    Negative/positive type: Positive
    It is inclined to scoff at limits, 'make itself known to the world', 'show itself', inclined to talk mostly about positives and possibilities, concentrates on what it thinks could, should and will happen. By its actions it turns the 'empowering' to the 'limiting'. 'I have the power to do whatever I want', I act of my free choice', 'I'm acting in my own interests'. Being empowered by the environment means being limited only by one's own viewpoint, creativity and motivation.

    Result/process type: Result
    It is unfocused, open, multi-tasking in action. It tries to maintain status quo. It spends its resources in anything that seems worthwhile at the moment. By its actions it turns 'creating' into 'accepting'. It takes the base of its actions as situational, labile and tries to make the best of whatever's available.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Taciturn
    Has no complete, total system to guide it's life, but a number of selected items and ideas that it tries to fit together as best as it can. It tries to make sense of things, tries to solve inconsistencies. By its actions it turns 'extrovert' into 'introvert', something that is well defined into implications. It's speculative.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1. A somewhat idealistic romanticist. He is a person prone more to reflection than action. An individualist. He is little concerned with the present; he is more excited by brilliant perspectives of "bright cities, which may be built one day". His emotionality is of a high enough level, he understands very well the feelings of another and does not hide his own. But his emotionality is always somewhat restrained in order to observe the effect it produces. He expresses emotions not when another’s patience would get exhausted, but when he himself (she herself) considers it necessary. His way of handling emotions is very creative: for example, he may consider rage to be ethical, and restraint non-ethical.
    2. Easily infatuated. What makes another stand out for him is forcefulness, drive, insightfulness, naturally if this force lends itself to the influence of his emotions. He is very tolerant to people, understands them and tries to forgive their weaknesses.
    3. Tutankhamon’s smile. His line of defense in extreme conditions is his skill to demonstrate his attitude toward the situation, to reveal its comical aspects. So he has a fine sense of humor and possesses a very characteristic transparent smile, which appears at critical moments. His smile is warm, warming and exciting. However, his smile is in most cases caused by inner anxiety; the natural purpose of this smile is to raise his partner’s fighting spirit, to stir him up.
    4. Elegant. He comes off as steady and upright. He practically never squints his wide-open eyes. Typically, he is not prone to lower his arch-shaped eyebrows. Elegance is an every day thing with him, not something reserved for outings and special occasions. One can seldom see him in a non-aesthetic pose, his voice intonations are also refined, and movements are plastic and even rhythmic. In the light of the aforementioned two things are amazing: he does not care much for the elegance of others (his dual, The Legionnaire, is emphatically non-demonstrative); chaos reins in his living quarters; both things and people which enter his home should find their places by themselves, or with the help of someone other then the Lyricist.
    5. A struggler for the emotional naturalness of people. He feels responsibility for mood of his friends and relatives, for their vital tonus. He uses his fine sense of humor to make them laugh, shake them up. In a company he scans the attendees not in order to find out what they are wearing, but in order to remark how each is feeling: this is exactly what he needs to relate to others. In general, he dreams of bringing harmony into society. History means to him history of the arts. He strives for beauty, which may be – poetry, arts, even nice trinkets. He himself strives to be refined. He adores communication with artists, poets, bohemians, and in general with exotic people.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Intuitive subtype appears by the calm, tactful, sluggish, uncertain of itself person. It seems torn from the reality, inert and little fitted out to the life. But this impression is erroneous, since it possesses the excellent intuition, which helps to it to establish useful connections and to find support in men of weight. It acts on those surrounding uspokaivayushche and rasslablyayushche. It is outwardly serene, but in the soul it is sentimental and inclined it takes a long time to survive its confusions. Mimicry is somewhat monotonous, frequently are expressed light surprise or complete interest by collocutor. View dreamy, slightly stressed, with the luster. It is frequently sad, attentive or only ironic. Speech measured off, smooth, intimate- sincere. On face almost constantly is present polite, locating to the confidence poluulybka(?). The gestures are modest, are timid, nedemonstrativnye. The gait is slow, is smooth.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Ethical subtype produces the impression of soft, charming and emotional person. It usually appears voodushevlennym and optimistic. It possesses a good feeling of humor. About its problems and failures it can tell with the smile. It is ironic, sly, not predicted and inconsistent in the behavior and the conversation. Creating original contrasts, it can unexpectedly prick and so rapidly embrace, kiss. Artistichen, obayatelen, are natural in the contact, now and then even with the nuance of familiarity and unceremoniousness. It knows how to draw together distance. It is courteous, amiable and thoughtful. At times it is simply fascinating, is so great of its skill pleasing and of locating to itself people. It knows how to persuade. It presents requests in such form, which to it is difficult to refuse. Motions are elegant, even theatrical. The gait is graceful, is rapid. The speech is emotional, is rich in nuances, sometimes melodious.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Fe

    Dual: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Ti

    Activity: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Ti

    Super-ego: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Te

    Contrary: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Fi

    Conflict: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Te

    Quasi-identical: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Fi

    Look-alike: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Fe

    Comparative: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe -Cre-Te

    Illusionary: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Ti

    Semi-dual: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Cre-Fi

    Superviser: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Fe

    Supervisee: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Fe

    Benefactor: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Fi

    Beneficee: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fe - Acc-Ti

    Other issues:
    In contact: Sincere way of talking
    Sexually: Victim
    _________________
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    - The best player destroys the game.

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    PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
    Type: TiSe - ISTj - LSI
    aka Inspector aka Pragmatist aka Stalin aka Truman

    Club: Pragmatic (ST)
    The type's thoughts and actions are both external in the sense that it is easy to make sense of them, easy to see what is doing and easy to accept or discard. It takes a concrete stand in both thought and action. It is bold, practical, active. It interacts on the level of the body, but not at the level of the mind.

    Quadra: Beta
    Cares about the moral opinions of a selected group of close people in a very strong way. Seeks to enforce these systems and values and their results to all people. Creating conflict for gaining a greater part of available resources. Adventurer or gang ethics. A sense of passion and danger. "Society is the enemy and the prize." Willingness to take up great tasks and endure great hardship, to face impossible odds. Constant readiness. Exposing a group, theory or idea to great stress to see how far it can go.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Emotion-creating->Tactics
    After having spent a lot of time trying new things, it's chosen a path that it's decided to walk, at least for the moment. It is not certain of it's way but it doesn't want to just hang around all the time, it wants to get somewhere, so it decides to trust it's experience and try what it knows in practice. It's quite ready to go back and choose another path, but it would like to become an expert in its chosen methods.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Obstinate->Carefree
    Its been going all out for a long time and now its getting weary. Its slowly starting to doubt the stability of the things it believed in and is willing to try some personal maneuvers to gain resources to either support the idea or prepare for its downfall.

    Temperament analysis: IJ (Cold, Static, Rational)
    It relates to a system in which you first analyze your personal willigness to change the world, then you go and do it. Uses energy only for things that it needs to. Has low responsiveness to stimuli. Tries to turn theories into practice.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Aristocratic
    It is inclined to test theories and systems of morality in action, and thereby twist them until they break. By its actions it changes the 'judging' to the 'perceiving'. It tends to understand rules, theories, systems, feelings and social relations in a definite, binding way and do what they make it do. But the activity that it is pushed to, makes it question the original idea that made it act.

    Negative/positive type: Positive
    It is inclined to scoff at limits, 'make itself known to the world', 'show itself', inclined to talk mostly about positives and possibilities, concentrates on what it thinks could, should and will happen. By its actions it turns the 'empowering' to the 'limiting'. 'I have the power to do whatever I want', I act of my free choice', 'I'm acting in my own interests'. Being empowered by the environment means being limited only by one's own viewpoint, creativity and motivation.

    Result/process type: Process
    It is determined, focused, single-minded in action. It is a change-agent. It tries to bring its resources together to succeed in a single task at a time. By its actions it turns the 'accepting' into the creating'. It takes the base for its actions as granted and natural and tries to reach a conclusion.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Narrator
    Has integrated his life into a sensible whole which it adapts into varying circumstances. It's collected and establishes a personal presence. Is willing to create seeming contradictions as long as they make sense to it personally. By its actions it turns 'introvert' into 'extrovert', something that has many possible effects and outcomes.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:1. A consistent adept. He is able to rationally and adequately choose the best of the available systems or dogmas and to fight for its implementation uncompromisingly up to the point of impertinence. He categorically rejects everything that cannot fit into this system, and perfects it to its ideal state. He is very consistent in the realization of his system, even when it comprises inconstancy. In this way Talleyrand succeeded in occupying the highest positions under Bourbons, the Convent, the Directory, Napoleon, and once again under Bourbons, and finally died prosperous and rich, which he has always strived for.
    2. A sober realist. He never falls into despair or gives in to illusions; always he is equally stable, calm, and logical. He does not tend to fantasies and dislikes other people’s passion for hollow projects.
    3. Researcher. He tends to profound analysis of narrow problems, establishes fastidiously their correlation to what he has previously learnt. He knows how to listen, sometimes he can listen simultaneously to two interlocutors. His norm of loneliness is high. He does not read much, prefers more to reflect – this is his favorite condition. He always elaborates the accumulated body of knowledge for practical implementation. To those who do not understand the problem in so many details as he does, his actions may appear paradoxical and unpredictable. Often he finds a solution where others are “too shy” to find it.
    4. A mix of delicacy and adventurism. He is very reclusive and secretive. He does not like to be the center of attention. In communication, especially at a distance, he is sympathetic and not bothersome. At the same time, he needs listeners. He captivates people by his purposefulness in implementation of his own system. If he understands something and other people do not, he may fall into aggression. He is also stubborn and uncompromising, as a manager he tends to put the screws on. He is tactful, sympathetic to people; however, he treats them rather like instruments. Personal feelings, sympathies and antipathies do not distract him; the most important thing is the result. Ethic is submitted to logic (Stalin). He does not tolerate, when other people move his belongings – for him this is a grave insult. For him it is hard to tolerate aggressive people, although he does not strive to argue with them.
    5. Stoic. He is hardy and just, does not spend time for redundant conveniences. He prefers to hide his real feelings: hunger, fatigue, pain, and fear – “an ill child will not groan, in order not to injure his mother”.
    6. Close circle of friends. He does not hide his attraction to other people, sometimes it may even seem that he intends to show it. He does not leave unnoticed any person of the opposite sex. However, he can judge about other people’s feelings only by their external manifestations: e.g. how people look at him, speak with him. This is why he can easily mistake his desire to be loved for his partner’s real feeling. He is aware of that, and therefore is distrustful and suspicious.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Logical subtype are confident in itself, it is calm, restrained, dryish, correct and not penetrated. It now and then seems haughty. Is moderately amiable, imperturbable bezemotsionalen. It is very polite and attentive to the details of conversation, loves everything to refine and to explain. It stops on not very essential for other details. It is leisurely, now and then even sluggish. It loves to obtain the detailed and comprehensive information to its questions. It does not love uncertainty. It is internally very assembled.
    It loses the presence of spirit and tries never to encourage those, who need its support. Has the straight line, fixed, which looks as through the collocutor, the view, but not experiencing, but is more indifferent. Motions measured off, but somewhat forged. With walking it a little shuffles by foot-wear. When it is turned, it makes this with entire body. It seems that the neck is fixed on the arms, it does not love to twirl by head.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged:
    Sensory subtype appears by more agitated in his behavior and internally more emotional person. It is reticent, but it is very obstinate and it can enter the conflict, when they are not considered its opinion. If it flares up, it is superfluously sharp and categorical in its statements.
    It is restrained, cold, it does not love objections and long explanations. Constantly unnoticeably it follows the actions of others, trying soak to them or the errors. It is sometimes agitated by anything and observations are made, sometimes undertakes for the matter itself or tries soak to make it better without the excess words. By periods it attempts to correct position and then smiles preuvelichenno politely. With walking "is stamped" the step. Gait is sufficiently rapid. He appears by man pulled and active. It dresses conservative, although sometimes it attempts to appear aesthetically, even it is fashionable. With the conversation he tries to approach the collocutor, but without the direct contact. It is not inclined to the affectionate rotation even with the relatives.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Ti

    Dual: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Fe

    Activity: NiFe
    Physical interaction:Cre-Se - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Fe

    Super-ego: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Fi

    Contrary: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Te

    Conflict: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Fi

    Quasi-identical: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Te

    Look-alike: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Fi

    Comparative: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Ti

    Illusionary: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Te

    Semi-dual: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Acc-Fe

    Superviser: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Ti

    Supervisee: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Fi

    Benefactor: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Fe

    Beneficee: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Ti - Cre-Te

    Other issues:
    In contact: Cold (as in harsh) way of talking
    Sexually: Aggressor
    _________________
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    - The best player destroys the game.

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    PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
    Type: SeTi - ESTp - SLE
    aka Marshall aka Conqueror aka Churchill aka Lenin

    Club: Pragmatic (ST)
    The type's thoughts and actions are both external in the sense that it is easy to make sense of them, easy to see what is doing and easy to accept or discard. It takes a concrete stand in both thought and action. It is bold, practical, active. It interacts on the level of the body, but not at the level of the mind.

    Quadra: Beta
    Cares about the moral opinions of a selected group of close people in a very strong way. Seeks to enforce these systems and values and their results to all people. Creating conflict for gaining a greater part of available resources. Adventurer or gang ethics. A sense of passion and danger. "Society is the enemy and the prize." Willingness to take up great tasks and endure great hardship, to face impossible odds. Constant readiness. Exposing a group, theory or idea to great stress to see how far it can go.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Creation-creating->Strategy
    After spent a lot of time with the old, the known, the comfortable, the safe, it's wondering what is it all for, anyway. The glitter and the meaning is gone. It starts to feel that it wants out of the system, it wants to find something for itself. It still respects its commitments and ideologies, but its gotten tired and cynical and it could really do with a motivational push.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Compliant->Calculative
    It thinks it has sufficient resources and knowledge to spread its wings and try to push a bit, make some personal choices, deviate slightly from the most careful path, throw its weight around. It begins investing what it's collected.

    Temperament analysis: EP (Hot, Static, Irrational)
    It relates to a system in which you first check what everyone finds important in the environment. Then you create a system by which you have plenty of it. Uses energy for things that it doesn't necessarily need to. Has high responsiveness to stimuli. Tries to turn practice into theories.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Aristocratic
    It is inclined to test theories and systems of morality in action, and thereby twist them until they break. By its actions it changes the 'judging' to the 'perceiving'. It tends to understand rules, theories, systems, feelings and social relations in a definite, binding way and do what they make it do. But the activity that it is pushed to, makes it question the original idea that made it act.

    Negative/positive type: Negative
    It is inclined to accept a restricted sense of identity, 'retreat from the world', 'hide itself', inclined to talk mostly about negatives and restrictions, concentrates on problems and solving them. By its actions it turns the 'limiting' into the 'empowering'. 'Once all the work is done, what remains is free time', 'once all the enemies are done with, what remains is friends', 'once I get rid of my chains, I'm free'. Inclined to make the atmosphere more negative, wary.

    Result/process type: Result
    It is unfocused, open, multi-tasking in action. It tries to maintain status quo. It spends its resources in anything that seems worthwhile at the moment. By its actions it turns 'creating' into 'accepting'. It takes the base of its actions as situational, labile and tries to make the best of whatever's available.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Narrator
    Has integrated his life into a sensible whole which it adapts into varying circumstances. It's collected and establishes a personal presence. Is willing to create seeming contradictions as long as they make sense to it personally. By its actions it turns 'introvert' into 'extrovert', something that has many possible effects and outcomes.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1. The end result. This is the only thing that interests him. All he needs to achieve the final result he considers to be his vested interests. He is a strong-willed, determined person. "If stars shine at night – then somebody wanted it". With all his appearance he demonstrates he is far from being ostentatious, does not care for the impression he makes with others. “I did not understand, please repeat." – used to say Sergey Korolyov, the mastermind of the Soviet space technology. Few of Soviet top executives had the guts to ask this from Beria, the head of the Soviet secret police. All The Legionnaire does is performed with ardor, passionately and must be brought to its conclusion. He has the personality of an untamed struggler, who must come out on top no matter what the cost. "One should not avoid difficulties! One needs to learn how to overcome them" is his motto.
    2. Die Hard. The expression "severe but just" became already trivial about this sort of persons. Marshal Zhukov was a really tough person, but only he could say to Stalin: "If you believe that the Head of the Chief Headquarters is capable only of talking gibberish, then he has no reason to be here. I ask you to relieve me of my rank as the Head of the Chief Headquarters and to send to the front". He has no back thoughts about his right to manage other people. Even taking into account his love to collegial discussion of issues, he always reserves the last sentence for himself. This is usually compensated by profound passion for his cause and the ability to seed the same enthusiasm in others.
    3. A fine tactician. He quickly grasps the current situation and distribution of power, makes a decision and acts. He is capable of political maneuvering but never forgets his line. He possesses powerful logic function, but this kind of logic is determined and thus biased, its purpose isn’t philosophical speculations but the creative search for the shortcut to finding a solution. It is easier for him to concede his logic than his goal.
    4. Dispassionate. He seldom gives in to fear, hatred, and other negative emotions, rarely gets surprised and rarely envies. The more dangerous the situation, the more self-disciplined and resolute he becomes.
    5. He does not like to speak about feelings: this is not his line. And if by chance such words slip out, he feels as if he betrayed himself. He is afraid of emotional love, considering it an undeserved luxury. He is anxious of other feelings as well. Perceiving others to be just like him, he has no doubt that he may be desired, but he is seldom sure he can also be loved. He needs his partner’s emotional support and submits his emotions to him. However, in practical activity he never tends to adaptation, but only to dictation.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Sensory subtype seems by person ingenious, impulsive, who conceals the concealed threat and by no means reasonable. In actuality it is sharp, sufficiently aggressive and persistent. It can be rancorous and it is sufficient to resourceful in order to make life of the svikh ill-wishers of that of simply not tolerated. Has a nature contrasting and unpredictable. With those, whom it loves, it is periodically is very affectionate and even it is sentimental. It possesses such feeling of humor, which easily passes into the sarcasm or the caustic irony. Is talkative, obayatelen, it is ingenious, critical and cuttings, it loves epithets and slang expressions. Its motions are elastic and rapid, gait only waddle, elbows are slightly bent with walking, which gives cat ingratiating tones to it. Is characteristic the evaluating view with light prishchurom. Usually it follows its health, it is periodically occupied by sport or gymnastics. It dresses dearly and with the taste. The bright impression of confident in itself, flourishing person usually is produced.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Logical subtype leaves the impression of calm force and confidence in itself. It is rational and sequential in the matters. It is industrious and hardy. It is usually cold-blooded, sustained and imperturbable, but into the minutes of irritation it does not hide its fury, which is manifested in the view and the sharp, categorical gestures. In the calm state it is polite, amiable, although it holds collocutor on a certain distance. Its humor of cuttings is rather rough. In it there is rapid, distrustful view from under the eyebrows. Form usually is serious, is alerted. Gait and gestures are harmonious, are smooth and are clear. Somewhat monotonous dresses, and it is strict, although with the times of unexpectedly thrust or it is extravagant. It values qualitative clothing, rarely creating ensembles from a few things. In the majority of the cases it has a tendency too not to be separated. This relates both to the behavior and to the clothing. It seems cold and inaccessible, although he tries to be correct, flat and benevolent. It is held with the merit.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se -
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti -

    Dual: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Fe

    Activity: FeNi
    Physical interaction:Acc-Se - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Fe

    Super-ego: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Fi

    Contrary: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Te

    Conflict: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Fi

    Quasi-identical: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Te

    Look-alike: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Ti

    Comparative: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Fi

    Illusionary: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Fe

    Semi-dual: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Cre-Te

    Superviser: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Fi

    Supervisee: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Ti

    Benefactor: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Te

    Beneficee: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Ti - Acc-Fe

    Other issues:
    In contact: Business-like way of talking
    Sexually: Aggressor
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    - The best player destroys the game.

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    PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
    Type: SeFi - ESFp - SEE
    aka Politician aka Ambassador aka Gorbachev aka Catherine the Great

    Club: Socials
    The type's thoughts are internal in the sense that it is difficult for others to make sense of them, see what's going on, but the type's actions are not, it's active in a concrete physical way and it creates trust by its actions. It interacts both on the level of the mind and of the body and is in this way fully open to people.

    Quadra: Gamma
    States aloud morals as they see them in the envirionment. Does what seems appropriate, normal and promising. Alert and responsive. 'Officer or merchant ethics'. Capably uses the opportunities that appear in the environment. The natural way of doing things. Scavengers. Repairing what is broken. Making do. Accepting the inevitable. Concentrating on the public instead of the personal.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Strategy->Emotion-creating
    Having found an appropriate goal, it is lacking a way to get there (for a goal is not a goal when its reached). It is lost and needing to try new things. It can not easily discard ideas, suggestions or expertise because it does not know what is the thing that will help it to its coal, hence it's a student of everythin, an open ear for anyone who has something to say.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Calculating->Obstinate
    It's inclined to go all out, to show all it has. It tries to be true to itself and give generously of itself. It is living the life it has prepared for for a long time. It is willing to sacrifice greatly of what it has. It's time to show it's true nature, courageously do what it's out to do. This is his moment and nobody can take it away.

    Temperament analysis: EP (Hot, Static, Irrational)
    It relates to a system in which you first check what everyone finds important in the environment. Then you create a system by which you have plenty of it. Uses energy for things that it doesn't necessarily need to. Has high responsiveness to stimuli. Tries to turn practice into theories.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Democratic
    It is inclined to bring together concrete issues, materials and people that all tend to find things in common with each other and create new ideas, theories, social bonds, duties, agreements and such. It turns concrete wealth into social resources. By itself it's weak, it tries to increase the interdependence of people.

    Negative/positive type: Positive
    It is inclined to scoff at limits, 'make itself known to the world', 'show itself', inclined to talk mostly about positives and possibilities, concentrates on what it thinks could, should and will happen. By its actions it turns the 'empowering' to the 'limiting'. 'I have the power to do whatever I want', I act of my free choice', 'I'm acting in my own interests'. Being empowered by the environment means being limited only by one's own viewpoint, creativity and motivation.

    Result/process type: Process
    It is determined, focused, single-minded in action. It is a change-agent. It tries to bring its resources together to succeed in a single task at a time. By its actions it turns the 'accepting' into the creating'. It takes the base for its actions as granted and natural and tries to reach a conclusion.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Taciturn
    Has no complete, total system to guide it's life, but a number of selected items and ideas that it tries to fit together as best as it can. It tries to make sense of things, tries to solve inconsistencies. By its actions it turns 'extrovert' into 'introvert', something that is well defined into implications. It's speculative.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1. Kindness is power. He takes pride in his influence with people, their love and respect, of his own popularity, gladly leads others. He is assertive and kinky in expressing his sexuality, but aloof in dealing with the objective world, mistrustful towards new scientific ideas and in general towards everything things objective, which he perceives as too impersonal. He feels much more confident and therefore has a clear conscience, only in the field of manipulating people.
    2. Restless activity, greed for practical actions. He never hides his feelings – en contraire, he takes special pride in them. It is easy for him to sound sincere, when he expresses his true feelings. He expresses his admiration both verbally and with a look in his eyes. He is always an adherent of love in all its aspects, both carnal and psychological, if he needs it. Even when a feeling is of a passing nature, he knows very well what he desires from his lover, has no intention to adapt – only to dictate. He is arrogant, optimistic, before a complicated situation he does not go shy but tries to resolve it immediately in a few decisive moves.
    3. He pays a lot of attention to the esthetic and order in his surroundings. Frequently he is the possessor of inborn taste, knows how to dress well and demands the same from his partners. He is attentive to “physical parameters” of his partner. In all his activities he shows a lot of initiative. However, he lacks a sense of measure: he is ever unsure that he has done all he could.
    4. Less nagging and more living! His life may be poisoned by the demands of those close to him to think his actions through, to act “rationally”. This is too much for him to withstand, such demands only make him want to act more irrationally, and brush reason aside altogether to spite everyone. In fact, he acts cleverly and logically until someone starts to demand of him to do so, i.e. as long as he is “respected” and “reckoned with”. It is useless to dispute his logic: one can influence him only by challenging him to set aside his goals in favor of other ones, more noble and harder attainable.
    5. Laws are cowards’ inventions. His initiative and passion for new undertakings are so great that no criticism, even permanent grumble of his dual (Balzac, The Critic) who condemns almost each display of enthusiasm, can spoil his mood. Moreover: criticizing calms him down, for him it signals that his activities did not pass unnoticed and that he must have done enough.
    6. Disappointment. Due to his initiative and demanding nature he frequently feels disappointed with his loved ones: they turn out to be “not what they seemed to be”, not perceptive enough of his whims. The bottom line is that he needs a partner who is easy to adapt to without adapting at all (without changing his own nature). If such a partner is not nearby, he gets up to mischief in order to draw such a person’s attention.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged:
    Sensory subtype appears by emotional, irregular and nervous person. Behind its uneasiness and by sincere discomfort hides itself a constant thirst of dynamism. Much it undertakes and pulverizes many forces in vain in spite of effort to be diplomatic, it is too critical and it is categorical. Frequently it is agitated, although he does not forget to make compliments. It occurs superfluously it is energetic or intractable, especially if to it something they tie. It can look at the collocutor somewhat condescendingly, catch with his prickly jokes. But it can be very amiable and it knows how for long to persuade, if this is necessary. It possesses good artistic abilities, it knows how to cheer guests. It is usually thin, it follows the figure, it is periodically occupied by sport. Eyes are more frequently small or deeply sponsors. Gestures are impatient, and the motions nervous, irregular. Poses frequently change. Gait weakened or unsteady, only being braided. Speech can be indistinct or tongue twister.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Ethical subtype - active and mobile person, willingly is moved and are established useful connections. It knows how to make compliments, in detail tells about his possibilities or abilities close ones, loves to produce impression. Intimate intonations in the voice, the confidence manner of contact and charm make it possible to rapidly conquer the arrangement of collocutor. It frequently has convex eyes, smooth, confident gestures, assume the slack poses. It is inclined to dress uncommonly, by thrust, it is extravagant. In spite of rounded forms or tendency toward the completeness not it kompleksuyet apropos of deficiencies in its figure and everything dresses which pleases itself it. Loves to sit razvalyas'. The gait is elastic, is haughty. It is held very confidently, even it is protective.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Fi

    Dual: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Te

    Activity: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Te

    Super-ego: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Ti

    Contrary: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Fe

    Conflict: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Ti

    Quasi-identical: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Fe

    Look-alike: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Fi

    Comparative: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Ti

    Illusionary: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Te

    Semi-dual: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Cre-Fe

    Superviser: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Ti

    Supervisee: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Fi

    Benefactor: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Fe

    Beneficee: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Se - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Fi - Acc-Te

    Other issues:
    In contact: Passionate way of talking
    Sexually: Aggressor
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    PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
    Type: FiSe - ISFj - ESI
    aka Conservator aka Guardian aka Salinger aka Elizabeth II

    Club: Socials
    The type's thoughts are internal in the sense that it is difficult for others to make sense of them, see what's going on, but the type's actions are not, it's active in a concrete physical way and it creates trust by its actions. It interacts both on the level of the mind and of the body and is in this way fully open to people.

    Quadra: Gamma
    States aloud morals as they see them in the envirionment. Does what seems appropriate, normal and promising. Alert and responsive. 'Officer or merchant ethics'. Capably uses the opportunities that appear in the environment. The natural way of doing things. Scavengers. Repairing what is broken. Making do. Accepting the inevitable. Concentrating on the public instead of the personal.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Tactics->Creation-creating
    Having practiced and perfected a certain style of action it feels it's shown it's skills and no longer needs to listen to others. It's will confidently show others the correct way and will not listen to the advice of others. It is not by any means complacent about its skills and expertise, it furiously seeks to perfect its systems and methods but it is only any longer looking for very specific information and rarely finds a missing piece to increase its knowledge. It seeks to turn its knowledge into an institution.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Carefree->Compliant
    It's greatly interested in increasing its resources. Its not necessarily particular to how or what, but it wants more, because it needs to be secure. It feels it's taken on a task that is greater than its means and any new resource, be it information, people or a better-paying job might be the thing it needs to succeed.

    Temperament analysis: IJ (Cold, Static, Rational)
    It relates to a system in which you first analyze your personal willigness to change the world, then you go and do it. Uses energy only for things that it needs to. Has low responsiveness to stimuli. Tries to turn theories into practice.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Democratic
    It is inclined to bring together concrete issues, materials and people that all tend to find things in common with each other and create new ideas, theories, social bonds, duties, agreements and such. It turns concrete wealth into social resources. By itself it's weak, it tries to increase the interdependence of people.

    Negative/positive type: Negative
    It is inclined to accept a restricted sense of identity, 'retreat from the world', 'hide itself', inclined to talk mostly about negatives and restrictions, concentrates on problems and solving them. By its actions it turns the 'limiting' into the 'empowering'. 'Once all the work is done, what remains is free time', 'once all the enemies are done with, what remains is friends', 'once I get rid of my chains, I'm free'. Inclined to make the atmosphere more negative, wary.

    Result/process type: Result
    It is unfocused, open, multi-tasking in action. It tries to maintain status quo. It spends its resources in anything that seems worthwhile at the moment. By its actions it turns 'creating' into 'accepting'. It takes the base of its actions as situational, labile and tries to make the best of whatever's available.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Taciturn
    Has no complete, total system to guide it's life, but a number of selected items and ideas that it tries to fit together as best as it can. It tries to make sense of things, tries to solve inconsistencies. By its actions it turns 'extrovert' into 'introvert', something that is well defined into implications. It's speculative.


    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1. He easily earns other people’s trust. He is polite, tactful, has fine esthetical taste and knows how to apply it. He knows for sure who loves whom, who hates whom, who wants (either what or whom), who influences whom and why. A moralist, often is distinguished by the sharpness of his comments. He perfectly remembers both good and evil, and considers it necessary to “repay” for them. He values friendship very much and does not forgive treason. However, he is not constant in love before marriage, because considers impossible to keep on relations that are exhausted. He does not like those who are incapable of loving. He regulates relations not as much by words but by voice tone and expressive look. He does not reveal emotions much, and so appears cold-blooded. Often he does not look directly into his interlocutor’s eyes, as though in order not burn him down. A complicated ethical situation inspires him.
    2. "Emotional barrier". In a new group of people he is usually a quiet, modest person. He watches and listens in order to understand whether he can attract people to himself and to his ideal of human relations. If he cannot, then he keeps on silence or even leaves. Among those whom he considers friends he is active and talkative. Friends are those who accept his ethical norms. He submits his emotions to the emotions of the others: among cheerful people he is cheerful as well, among angry he too is angry.
    3. Enemy must envy. He never reveals his wrath and fury, but remains emphatically polite and self-satisfied. Only a good friend can see him bedraggled and not sufficiently careful. He is always "totally buttoned up", internally mobilized, extremely intolerant to untidiness and disorder.
    4. Sexual liberties are not for him. He keeps fidelity to his spouse not for him/her, but for the sake of self-respect. For a woman of this type a thought that somewhere is a man who “has had” her is unbearable. He dislikes a lot, when somebody snoops about his talents, potential capabilities or boasts about own capabilities in front of other people.
    5. He lives in the “here and now” and does not like to wait. He prefers the kinds of work that he can complete quickly and enjoy the result. While others consider him punctual, he considers himself being always late. Due dates make him really nervous. This is why The Entrepreneur, his dual, having bought tickets to a theater, will keep it secret until the last day.
    6. He expresses love through actions rather than words; however, he does not like to invent tasks for himself and in everyday activities gladly submits to his partner’s will. At any time he can leave one task and switch to another, if his partner wishes him to. He may even sacrifice himself for society. For instance, in his family he can bear responsibility for all everyday material needs, when his partner performs a socially important position.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Ethical subtype usually produces the impression of modest, delicate and soft person, but in the soul it is fundamental, exacting and distrustful. It it is difficult in by anything to reconvince. It can be obstinate and intractable. We wound, it is punctilious and does not love itself to tie. It is internally critical, it approaches all with the high moral measures, although not always this it voices. If we catch its principles, it unexpectedly can show nature, becoming sharp and obstinate. It is industrious and practical. It is thorough and tedious in the work. It demonstrates good manners, he tries to be graceful and elegant. It dresses with the taste, but are somewhat monotonous. View is soft, at times is fearful, which tests. In the contact with others - this is sincere, affable, thoughtful and courteous person.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Sensory subtype is sufficiently strict, critical and ironic. Is categorical in the conclusions and beskompromissen in the solutions. Internally we wound and it is emotional, but he tries to seem by strong, cold-blooded and confident in itself person. It is serious, they will lock and it is reserved. It is conservative in the views and the habits. It is honest in the work, but sometimes to it assiduity does not be sufficient. It seems now and then haughty, unapproachable, prickly. View is shrill, face acquires the sometimes alerted expression. It is benevolent and attentive, but it is held on the distance. Very nedemonstrativen, does not love, when it is examined. It fears strange estimations and greatly it follows the appearance. It dresses elegantly, with the taste, but it is strict. If it is confident in its appearance, it can allow itself additional accessories. A somewhat stamping gait has.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Fi

    Dual: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Te

    Activity: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Te

    Super-ego: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Ti

    Contrary: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Fe

    Conflict: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Ti

    Quasi-identical: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Fe

    Look-alike: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Ti

    Comparative: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Fi

    Illusionary: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Fe

    Semi-dual: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Acc-Te

    Superviser: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Fi

    Supervisee: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Ti

    Benefactor: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Te

    Beneficee: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Se - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Fi - Cre-Fe

    Other issues:
    In contact: Sincere way of talking
    Sexually: Aggressor
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    - The best player destroys the game.

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    PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
    Type: NiTe - INTp - ILI
    aka Critic aka Observer aka Balzac aka Newton

    Club: Rationals
    The type's actions are internal but its thoughts external in the sense that it has definite opinions but it will rarely do concrete actions according to them by itself. It is difficult to analyze its actions because it tends to passivity. It doesn't interact at the level of the body and it doesn't interact at the level of the mind. It stands apart of others, analyzes, suggests, plans, readies itself and its environment.

    Quadra: Gamma
    States aloud morals as they see them in the envirionment. Does what seems appropriate, normal and promising. Alert and responsive. 'Officer or merchant ethics'. Capably uses the opportunities that appear in the environment. The natural way of doing things. Scavengers. Repairing what is broken. Making do. Accepting the inevitable. Concentrating on the public instead of the personal.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Tactics->Creation-creating
    Having practiced and perfected a certain style of action it feels it's shown it's skills and no longer needs to listen to others. It's will confidently show others the correct way and will not listen to the advice of others. It is not by any means complacent about its skills and expertise, it furiously seeks to perfect its systems and methods but it is only any longer looking for very specific information and rarely finds a missing piece to increase its knowledge. It seeks to turn its knowledge into an institution.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Calculating->Obstinate
    It's inclined to go all out, to show all it has. It tries to be true to itself and give generously of itself. It is living the life it has prepared for for a long time. It is willing to sacrifice greatly of what it has. It's time to show it's true nature, courageously do what it's out to do. This is his moment and nobody can take it away.

    Temperament analysis: IP (Cold, dynamic, irrational)
    It relates to a system of thought in which you first do what you want and then find rules to get around any obstacles that turn up. Uses energy only for things it directly needs to. Is highly responsive to stimuli. Tries to turn practice into theories.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Democratic
    It is inclined to bring together concrete issues, materials and people that all tend to find things in common with each other and create new ideas, theories, social bonds, duties, agreements and such. It turns concrete wealth into social resources. By itself it's weak, it tries to increase the interdependence of people.

    Negative/positive type: Negative
    It is inclined to accept a restricted sense of identity, 'retreat from the world', 'hide itself', inclined to talk mostly about negatives and restrictions, concentrates on problems and solving them. By its actions it turns the 'limiting' into the 'empowering'. 'Once all the work is done, what remains is free time', 'once all the enemies are done with, what remains is friends', 'once I get rid of my chains, I'm free'. Inclined to make the atmosphere more negative, wary.

    Result/process type: Process
    It is determined, focused, single-minded in action. It is a change-agent. It tries to bring its resources together to succeed in a single task at a time. By its actions it turns the 'accepting' into the creating'. It takes the base for its actions as granted and natural and tries to reach a conclusion.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Narrator
    Has integrated his life into a sensible whole which it adapts into varying circumstances. It's collected and establishes a personal presence. Is willing to create seeming contradictions as long as they make sense to it personally. By its actions it turns 'introvert' into 'extrovert', something that has many possible effects and outcomes.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1."Imagination directs me". He possesses a powerful, intellectual imagination. A representative of this type, Honoré de Balzac, in his series of novels, The Human Comedy “painted” the portraits of more than 2000 people who appear hyper real: "he is comparable perhaps only to the city controller’s office" – wrote of him Andre Maurois. Similarly, the phantasmagoric world of Gabriel García Marquez is impressively precise in every detail. Due to this quality The Critic can forecast the future quite well. From empirical observations of how a man acts at various times he creates something like a functional model in his mind. In general, he tends to know everything in advance. If he did not have to warn other people about possible dangers (opportunities interest him less), he most possibly would feel himself redundant.
    2."A priest’s calmness and restraint". He almost never expresses emotions and protects from them his family and friends. He sincerely believes that passions, too strong, will lead one to his doom. Honoré de Balzac has constantly demonstrated throughout his literary works how passion spreads like a devastating cancer that eats away the souls of men until it finally suppresses all else. This holds totally true in the case of his dual (Caesar, The Politician), a hyperactive person that easily gets carried away.
    3.A profound analyst. He is convinced that living is impossible if one disregards the natural laws that regulate the world. One who ignores reality is heading for disaster. The Criticist believes that it is better to be somewhat too cynical then be a hypocrite. Hearing of a situation, he very soon thoroughly understands it and begins to tell to the bewildered interlocutor the details and aspects that the latter had overlooked. His analysis is devoid of any self-encouragement. “You shouldn’t have a different attitude towards life than you have for the kitchen – the same amount of stinking odor; if you want to cook a dish, you’ll have to get your hands dirty, just make sure you’ll be able to wash the dirt off once you are done; that’s the entire moral of our day and age." – So speaks Vautrin, a hero of Balzac’s books. Such misanthropy can kill the anybody’s spirits, except his dual (The Politician)!
    4."First and foremost, he is kind". In spite of all his “negativism”, he is really a very kindly person in nature. The above phrase about Honoré de Balzac belongs to George Sand who knew him very well. He likes strong people who know their way in life, who demand concessions: such people release him from the necessity to invent goals, while using methods invented by him (he is a master of inventing methods.) He is capable of pouring a bucket of cold water out on the head of an enthusiast. But on the other hand, he is likewise capable of easing one’s despair, when they are unlucky, when things go the wrong way, when destiny seems to be hostile…
    5.Unapproachable and thus desired. A girl-student by the name of Laima (The Politician) gave a good description of this type when she tried to describe the hero of her dreams: "He must be handsome and smart, with big and sad eyes, not talkative. He does not tell compliments, and by that he creates an impression of his inapproachability. He is taunted by myriads of problems, which, in my opinion are nothing to be bothered with. I am attracted by his sadness, seriousness, so I try to amuse him, to raise his spirits, to make him happy. If such a boy is present at a party, I wouldn’t be bored." This is a vivid description of this personality type, who is constant in his feelings, does not like adventures, and desires total dependence of his demanding partner.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged:
    Intuitive subtype appears by the calm, balanced, even sluggish person. Motions are smooth and are leisurely. It is internally shy, but he tries to hide this under the mask of irony. It is tactful, polite, punctilious. He tries in the conversation to avoid straightness and criticism. It is affable and amiable, but rarely it smiles. It is frequently something it is depressed, dissatisfied. It is internally very touchy, contradictory even we wound, although this tries not to demonstrate. From this it is frequently in the poor arrangement of spirit. Second reason - health status. It discusses its problems with the strangers not frequently, it is held with the people on the distance, it is sufficiently reserved. It loves to converse, to tell anything. It possesses a good descriptive thinking, much reads or reflects. Sometimes - it is high, thin and round-shouldered, sometimes - it is slender, but it is always important-looking. Gait and motions are smooth, only being swung.

    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Logical subtype produces the impression of confident in itself, sober-minded and reasonable person. It sometimes seems haughty, mocking. It is usually amiable, frequently it smiles, but smile seems monotonous, that thickened. It possesses a feeling of humor and a critical turn of mind. It is skeptical, ironic and distrustful. He tries to be polite and therefore it does not always voice aloud its thoughts and observations. Entire constantly is subjected to the analysis. It entrusts more to numbers and facts, than to precocious conclusions. A good innovator, knows how to isolate the main thing and to leave from the matters useless from his point of view. More frequently there is plumpish and thickset; however, gait usually rapid, and motion goal-directed and decisive. It can gesticulate, it occurs irregular, impulsive, but it is usually held solidly, with the calm merit.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: TeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Acc-Te

    Dual: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Cre-Fi

    Activity: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Acc-Fi

    Super-ego: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Cre-Fe

    Contrary: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Cre-Ti

    Conflict: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Acc-Fe

    Quasi-identical: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Acc-Ti

    Look-alike: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Cre-Te

    Comparative: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Cre-Fe

    Illusionary: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Cre-Fi

    Semi-dual: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Cre-Ti

    Superviser: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Acc-Fe

    Supervisee: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Acc-Te

    Benefactor: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Acc-Ti

    Beneficee: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Acc-Ni - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Cre-Te - Acc-Fi

    Other issues:
    In contact: Cold (as in harsh) way of talking
    Sexually: Victim
    First eliminate every possible source of error. Thence success is inevitable.

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    Type: TeNi - ENTj - LIE
    aka Entrepreneur aka Pioneer aka Richard Feynman aka Bill Gates

    Club: Rationals
    The type's actions are internal but its thoughts external in the sense that it has definite opinions but it will rarely do concrete actions according to them by itself. It is difficult to analyze its actions because it tends to passivity. It doesn't interact at the level of the body and it doesn't interact at the level of the mind. It stands apart of others, analyzes, suggests, plans, readies itself and its environment.

    Quadra: Gamma
    States aloud morals as they see them in the envirionment. Does what seems appropriate, normal and promising. Alert and responsive. 'Officer or merchant ethics'. Capably uses the opportunities that appear in the environment. The natural way of doing things. Scavengers. Repairing what is broken. Making do. Accepting the inevitable. Concentrating on the public instead of the personal.

    Analysis of strategy cycle: Strategy->Emotion-creating
    Having found an appropriate goal, it is lacking a way to get there (for a goal is not a goal when its reached). It is lost and needing to try new things. It can not easily discard ideas, suggestions or expertise because it does not know what is the thing that will help it to its coal, hence it's a student of everythin, an open ear for anyone who has something to say.

    Analysis of calculative cycle: Carefree->Compliant
    It's greatly interested in increasing its resources. Its not necessarily particular to how or what, but it wants more, because it needs to be secure. It feels it's taken on a task that is greater than its means and any new resource, be it information, people or a better-paying job might be the thing it needs to succeed.

    Temperament analysis: EJ (Hot, dynamic, rational)
    It relates to a system of thought in which you first analyze the environment's concrete needs and dangers and make a theory of how to correctly interact with it, and then test this theory by interaction. Uses energy for things that it doesn't directly need to. Is highly responsive to stimuli. Tries to turn theories into practice.

    Aristocratic/democratic type: Democratic
    It is inclined to bring together concrete issues, materials and people that all tend to find things in common with each other and create new ideas, theories, social bonds, duties, agreements and such. It turns concrete wealth into social resources. By itself it's weak, it tries to increase the interdependence of people.

    Negative/positive type: Positive
    It is inclined to scoff at limits, 'make itself known to the world', 'show itself', inclined to talk mostly about positives and possibilities, concentrates on what it thinks could, should and will happen. By its actions it turns the 'empowering' to the 'limiting'. 'I have the power to do whatever I want', I act of my free choice', 'I'm acting in my own interests'. Being empowered by the environment means being limited only by one's own viewpoint, creativity and motivation.

    Result/process type: Result
    It is unfocused, open, multi-tasking in action. It tries to maintain status quo. It spends its resources in anything that seems worthwhile at the moment. By its actions it turns 'creating' into 'accepting'. It takes the base of its actions as situational, labile and tries to make the best of whatever's available.

    Taciturn/narrator type: Narrator
    Has integrated his life into a sensible whole which it adapts into varying circumstances. It's collected and establishes a personal presence. Is willing to create seeming contradictions as long as they make sense to it personally. By its actions it turns 'introvert' into 'extrovert', something that has many possible effects and outcomes.

    Type spotting:
    Gulenko:
    1. "Time does not wait!". He is untiring in working, science or anything else that brings objective results in the future. He makes everything very rapidly, work “boils” at his hands. Even his gait is very specific, bouncing, and if he can, he prefers to run. A representative of this type the great writer Jack London had changed in his life a lot of occupations: delivery man, worker, prospector, sailor, writer. This was his self-sacrifice in the name of Art and Success.
    2. Romantic. Very often he practices alpinism, tourism (one of Jack London’s favorite topics was the struggle against the merciless nature). He is attracted by faraway places; often he is the first who gets drawn into various dubious undertakings. Often he invents romantic adventures and believes in them himself. However, these inventions usually have real prototypes in life. He loves to demonstrate his own courage. Even the negligence of his appearance is challenging to others’ sense of propriety.
    3. "An absent-minded professor". Due to his well-developed abstract thinking he is not always attentive to his appearance. If he cares of his dressing himself, he is always bedraggled, this is why he completely relies upon his partner’s taste and allows him to take charge of routine problems. For the same reason he does not tolerate when others stare at him (this is why his dual The Conservator often avoids to look directly into his interlocutor’s eyes), just because he, due to his inattention to his surroundings, is uncertain of how he appears to others. He is always insecure about his appearance and somewhat worries about his imaginary plainness. He needs a partner who possesses a well-developed aesthetic feeling, whose taste may be quite reliable; he needs to feel: my partner likes me even in spite of her well-developed, fussy and even pretentious taste.
    4. Optimistic. He quickly reacts to everything that brings emotions, especially positive. He is as if preprogrammed for rising spirits of his dual (The Conservator) who always looks somewhat scared or angry. He permanently irradiates friendliness, positive emotions, and smiles. He tries to make his partner laugh, shakes and hassles her in all possible ways, until she finally reacts, either positively or negatively, otherwise he will not have information about his condition (of course, in this sentence HE and SHE pronouns may be used vice versa). He likes to relate and to discuss what he has read and heard. It is easy for him to start up a conversation with a person he has never been familiar with.
    5. Love for life. He searches permanent and constant human relations. He does not understand very well feelings and attractions of other people; this is why he is careful in this field and is afraid of being funny. He much values human life: a woman of this type, if having to choose the lesser evil, will rather choose to become a single mother than to make an abortion.

    Accepting subtype:
    Meged: Logical subtype produces the impression of mobile, but strict and efficient person. Its face is not very emotional. Loves to look directly, into the support, izuchayushche. View for a long time is fixed on the collocutor or the objects. It is a little shy, although he tries to hide this. There is is somewhat it is distrustful, critical and superfluously categorical. It is difficult to distract it from that planned, he tries everything to lead to the end. In spite of habit to the meditations, it is decisive and impulsive in words and behavior. It is inclined to the prolonged conversations. Tension in the contact because of the desire to seem self-possessed, careful and serious is characteristic of it. Its apparent undeliberateness can be changed into the unexpected haste. In the majority of the cases its figure is thickset, and motions are angular. He tries to be held confidently, also, with the merit. If it jokes, then this with the serious form makes, only smiling by the corners of lips.


    Creating subtype:
    Meged: Intuitive subtype is pleasant in the contact, it is courteous and amiable. It is affectionate, oars, it possesses a developed feeling of humor. He frequently becomes the soul of company. It is very mobile, restless and scattered, constantly it hurries, tries to have time to make much. Voodushevlen, is energetic and optimistic. It is very enterprising, boldly it goes to the risk, it has many ideas. To it is difficult long time to sosredotachivat' attention in by something one. It has immediately several points of the application of its forces. Is diplomatic galanten with all, especially with the women, but it can manifest familiarity with the closer acquaintance. Because of the tendency toward the unceremoniousness, it frequently changes a feeling of time, and it accomplishes the ethical oversights, which so rapidly he tries to correct with the aid of the jokes and different services. Behaves simply, raskovanno and unconstrainedly. In the conversation sometimes it loves to concern collocutor, to embrace, to kiss, to joke. Gestures and gait are deprived of the emphasized solidity, it is very natural.

    Relations:
    (expressed in the form of 'who is your x' for non-symmetric relations)
    Mirror: NiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Te

    Dual: FiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Fi

    Activity: SeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Fi

    Super-ego: FeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Fe

    Contrary: TiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Ti

    Conflict: SiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Fe

    Quasi-identical: NeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Ti

    Look-alike: FeNi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Fe

    Comparative: TeSi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Te

    Illusionary: TiSe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Ti

    Semi-dual: FiNe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Cre-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Acc-Fi

    Superviser: SiTe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Si
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Te

    Supervisee: NiFe
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Ni
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Fe

    Benefactor: NeFi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Ne
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Fi

    Beneficee: SeTi
    Physical interaction: Cre-Ni - Acc-Se
    Ideological interaction: Acc-Te - Cre-Ti

    Other issues:
    In contact: Business-like way of talking
    Sexually: Victim
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    PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
    Ok, the 'factory-version' of the types is done. I need a break now. Am considering whether to go into individuation next or whether to do a general description of subtypes or relations. Thanks for support.

    Edit. Going to start individuation. Adding subtype and relationship material as part of the individuation process. Few new messages likely to appear. Look for new material inside the old descriptions.
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    PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:44 am Post subject: Reply with quote
    Smilingeyes wrote:
    Ok, the 'factory-version' of the types is done. I need a break now. Am considering whether to go into individuation next or whether to do a general description of subtypes or relations. Thanks for support.

    Edit. Going to start individuation. Adding subtype and relationship material as part of the individuation process. Few new messages likely to appear. Look for new material inside the old descriptions.


    Great job...I like the temperament descriptions, esp. Ep.

    One thing I do have some trouble with is the Reinin dichotomy linkage with the types, although that's probably just an issue with the system overall. Perhaps the idea that Reinin dichotomy behaviors may not be strictly linked to type is for another thread though, but I'm mentioning it here, because here's where I see the issue crop up. Smile

    In particular, I'm looking at the "positive" description...especially "Inclined to create a positive 'can-do' atmosphere'." I've been in so many conversations with people I'm sure are INFps where the INFp took a clearly pessimistic point of view and tended to express and express, etc., instead of just solving the problem. And I was the one who took the positive, "can-do" position and said, "no, look, we can just do this, and that will solve it."

    Conversely, while my own type may be perpetually in question, I certainly know people who are clearly INTp who seem very much to have a "can do" position. Instead of complaining about something, they're inclined to say "okay, let's work on this." In fact, I see that attitude being very common in Gammas overall..."okay, let's work on this. Let's solve this thing," instead of complaining. Although the wording of the "negative" side of the dichotomy sounds mostly okay, the nature of INTps and Gammas in general also sounds very "can-do" to me (not that any type can't also have a constructive, "can-do" attitude).
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    PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: Reply with quote
    Jonathan wrote:
    I've been in so many conversations with people I'm sure are INFps where the INFp took a clearly pessimistic point of view and tended to express and express, etc., instead of just solving the problem. And I was the one who took the positive, "can-do" position and said, "no, look, we can just do this, and that will solve it."

    What you are talking about here is another general difference - that between ethical and logical types.

    Jonathan wrote:
    Conversely, while my own type may be perpetually in question, I certainly know people who are clearly INTp who seem very much to have a "can do" position. Instead of complaining about something, they're inclined to say "okay, let's work on this." In fact, I see that attitude being very common in Gammas overall..."okay, let's work on this.

    The INTp attitude of being pessimistic is not about complaining. If you have to choose a word for it, the word resigning is a better one. You should compare yourself with logical types instead of ethical. For example, ENTjs have a much more clearly positive attitude than INTps, but I admit that there are more non-clear-cut cases if you compare INTps with other types than ENTjs.

    Compare with what I said about the difference between me and an enthusiastic ENFp friend of mine here:

    http://the16types.no-ip.info/forums/...er=asc&start=0
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    Jonathan wrote:

    Great job...I like the temperament descriptions, esp. Ep.


    Smile

    Jonathan wrote:

    One thing I do have some trouble with is the Reinin dichotomy linkage with the types, although that's probably just an issue with the system overall. Perhaps the idea that Reinin dichotomy behaviors may not be strictly linked to type is for another thread though, but I'm mentioning it here, because here's where I see the issue crop up. Smile


    The types are basically built from the dichotomies, so they can't exist without them and the connection is as concrete as anything. What does matter though is that the dichotomies interact and there are 32 points of view of each dichotomy, so any one definition of a dichotomy will cause someone to say that its not quite correct at some points. That's why I've delayed doing this thread so long. I prefer the elegance of the mathematical-symbolic definitions even though actually using them in any particular situation is extremely cumbersome. It's like a mandala. 'The truth' is there but you have to stare at it for a time to find it.

    Jonathan wrote:

    In particular, I'm looking at the "positive" description...especially "Inclined to create a positive 'can-do' atmosphere'." I've been in so many conversations with people I'm sure are INFps where the INFp took a clearly pessimistic point of view and tended to express and express, etc., instead of just solving the problem. And I was the one who took the positive, "can-do" position and said, "no, look, we can just do this, and that will solve it."


    And here you are very correct indeed. I debated myself about including this part of the dichotomy, but couldn't find a good enough argument to leave that part away. I'll rephrase it.
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    Phaedrus wrote:

    The INTp attitude of being pessimistic is not about complaining.


    Right, I'd agree; the words for the dichotomy are a bit confusing. I don't want to go too far as to stray from the topic, but I think discussion of this dichotomy is relevant here. It seems from what I've read that the most relevant part of the dichomoty has to do with postivists focusing on the effects of the presence of something (hence, doing something to create positives), and negativists focusing on the effects of it's absence (hence seeking to reduce negatives...to solve problems).

    One of the best example I've seen is in management. Someone who's too "positive" over-promises to clients and comes up with tasks that look reasonable at first, until you look at the fine print, and then you find that certain things weren't thought out clearly enough.

    Another example is in approach to revisions. A negativist will look at a piece of writing and say "what are the problems?" Then he/she will fix the problems. A positivist may ignore the problems and completely rewrite the paper for no apparent reason, without solving any of the problems (obviously, this analysis is biased toward the negativist view, but I think the idea is clear here).

    Anyhow, I think Smilex's revision of that dichotomy is good now. Smile

    Quote:

    Compare with what I said about the difference between me and an enthusiastic ENFp friend of mine here:

    http://the16types.no-ip.info/forums/...er=asc&start=0


    That may be a case where you're a more "clear cut" INTp than I am; I may be more "borderline." I encourage people in new undertakings; I tend to see the glass "half full"; I strive to derive benefit from changes; etc. But again, all that may have little to do with the dichotomy, and the description in INTp's in profiles as "throwing cold water" on new ideas is suspect in itself.
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    Type relations

    Relation: Superego

    Relation of clubs: Opposite
    What is clear and simple to one partner is complex to the other partner. The information and talents of the other are impressive to both partners and this creates ideas of cooperation. A division of labour occurs naturally.

    Relation of quadra: Opposite
    The idea of the environment and the situation is directly opposite. One partner wants to go all out, one wants to take it easy, one wants to advance personal, one general causes, one thinks in the long general term, one is all about now. A unified plan of action can only occur through misunderstanding or accident. The style and tempo are opposite. The other partner is seen as trying to take control of and waste your resources. Only trivial mutual goals can be reached.

    Relation of strategy: Opposite
    Where one partner takes things as they come, the other one is determined to change things. Where one partner is curious, the other is cautious. The other person is not seen as a threat and division of roles is easy.

    Relation of calculation: Opposite
    What is difficult and worrying to one partner is like a game to the other. Where one partner is courageous, the other is wary, where one partner seeks assurances, the other has had enough. The partners are likely to cause some scares to each other, tread on each other's values and see the other one as a less moral person. Different ideas on what's negotiable and what is not.

    Relation of temperament: Identical
    The temperamental thought system is the same. In the grand scale of things you are trying to achieve pretty similar things. In a strategic sense this can mean that you compete for the social role and social resources but also that you may amplify each others' message. Your goals share a similar structure. Your role in relation to your peer group is similar.

    Dominance: None
    The dominance is situational. He dominates whose functions and strategy are better related to the task and resources at hand.

    Variation: Can turn into look-a-like or comparative depending on individual and situational variation.

    Mutual groups: Bouquet, cycle of supervision, cycle of benefaction.

    Type discussion:
    Rick: Each partner is the embodiment of many qualities the other wishes he had and tries unsuccessfully to develop in himself. Talking about these respective strengths can be enthralling if partners find interest in each other. If partners have a common mission, they cover each others' weak areas, making for a powerful team. However, close cooperation and ironing out details is difficult, as partners can't agree on principles. Conflicts and disagreements between super-ego partners are out in the open and are usually discussed very vocally, at times causing heated arguments without a clear winner.

    Lytov: Union of Monotony & Hospitality

    Malyshka: Problem of a survival, things we do not want to see and recognize.

    Ganin:These are relations of mutual respect between partners. Super-Ego partners may think of each other as a distant and slightly mysterious ideal. They often show interest in each other's manners, behaviour and thought composition. Both partners experience a warm feeling towards each other, but for the outsider, these relations may look cold.

    If Super-Ego partners cannot find common interests, their interaction can become very formal. Partners normally think more about expressing their own point of view than listening to their partner. This expression comes from the confident side of one of the partners reaching the unconfident side of the other partner. The latter tries to defend themselves by projecting their confident points in return. Partners normally show interest and respect to each other if they do not know each other well enough. When partners start more close interaction, they start experiencing many problems.

    Super-Ego partners may think that they understand each other well. However, when it comes to day to day matters or co-operative activity, partners start thinking that their partner is deliberately trying to do everything wrong. Super-Ego partners are not interested and do not make each other aware of their intentions. Therefore their actions may look exactly opposite to what was expected. Although the hope and the feeling between partners may remain as before, it does not prevent the conflicts penetrating their relationship.

    When both partners are extroverts, one of them usually feels more unsatisfied with their position. The explanation for this is that they believe that the other partner does not pay as much attention to them as they should and are too occupied with their own matters. Between two introvert partners, one is always thinks about the other as being too obtrusive and clingy. In any case, friction usually begins when partners shift to a more close relationship.

    Personal commentary: The superego partner seems like what you could have become if your life had taken a different turn. It's like meeting a relative with whom its easy to talk as long as you don't talk politics or business, since if you're radical, he's conservative and if you're a lefty, he's rightist. If you try to do something together, you will often find out only in the end that your ideas of what success means, were quite the opposite. The superego partner is one of the most likely to warn you of things that you need to know but are actively ignoring. An interesting and potentially useful person, but better if known from a distance.
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    Jonathan wrote:
    But again, all that may have little to do with the dichotomy, and the description in INTp's in profiles as "throwing cold water" on new ideas is suspect in itself.


    I think INTps are prone to throw cold water on ideas. Which to me means that INTp's natural initial reaction to new ideas is to look at their flaws instead of possibilities. INTps may learn to be more optimistic and open to ideas when experience teaches them that this approach is often more beneficial. Especially INTps can learn not to express their critical evaluations as openly but instead try to find something positive. They can never grow to be enthusiasts though I think.
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