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    I can't find any explanation of what exactly makes two subtypes different from each other. For instance, I am interested in the two subtypes of the ENFP. All the type descriptions, socionic and MBTI seem to describe the ethical subtype. The intuitive (quieter) subtype seems very un-ENFP like. What gives??



    Intuitive subtype Ne-ENFp (Ne-IEE)

    Description by V. Meged and A. Ovcharov


    Ne-IEE Appearance:
    The intuitive subtype makes an impression of a person somewhat torn away from reality, internally focused, and at the same time scattered. Inclined to unexpected contrasts in behavior: shyness and apathy are suddenly replaced by emotional elation, decisiveness, and activity, the melancholic look on his face changes to inspired and joyful. Thoughtful and impulsive, optimistic and suppressed, timid and energetic, he imparts very varied impressions on others. Internally inconsistent, vulnerable, easily offended, but hides his problems under a mask of being carefree. Tries to be friendly with everyone, strives to understand all people, to favor everyone with his smile. Attentive, soft and tactful, predisposing towards trust. Willingly delves into the problems of others, tries to find a way out of difficult position and to give useful advice. Defends his views emotionally. Can exert psychological pressure on his opposition. His movements are impulsive, not well coordinated, and somewhat angular. Gait is fast and a bit awkward. Chin is often pointed. Gaze is attentive, interrogative or surprised, penetrating and perceptive.

    Ne-IEE Character:
    Very perceptive. Has a good sense for hidden motivations of people. Especially acutely sees people's flaws, but tries not to show it to not offend anyone. Before him it is pointless to pretend. He hates falsity and hypocrisy. Forgiving towards various human weaknesses. Friendly and responsive, sympathizes with people, likes giving them advice in difficult life situations. Always see several varied solutions to the problem, and suggest a resolution or exit even in the most hopeless cases. He has the gift of persuasion, uplifts despairing people and inspires them to overcome the difficulties.

    Discerning of people's abilities. Gravitates towards talented and extraordinary personalities. Likes new experiences and impressions. Interested in all that is unusual and mysterious. Curious, reads much and reflects. This is a creative personality. Analyzes everything - tries to understand the essence of different phenomena. Feels bored if he doesn't find a use for his abilities: from routine his vitality wanes. Tends to periodically change jobs or his hobbies, to test himself in a new pursuits, until he finds an occupation that he sincerely enjoys. He is constantly experimenting, looking for new directions and approaches in his work. He is very demanding towards himself and towards others in creative sense. Always can find flaws and faults and is therefore never completely happy with what has been done. Becoming inspired by any idea becomes its active supporter. Persistently promotes and develops it, not sparing his time and efforts.

    Has a holistic, global approach to solving problems. Difficulties do not frighten him, but in the reverse they attract him. When he starts on one thing, he sees everything that is somehow related to it. Experiences difficulties in connection this, when there is a need to select the main important aspects and push aside all those secondary. Tries to finish the whole load of assignments and chores at once, as a result of which he overworks himself and loses faith in their own strengths. In such cases, needs a long rest and to focus his attention on something else. After this, gets back to work with renewed enthusiasm and completes his assignments. Cannot stand when he is subjected to a strict work schedule or when someone tightly manages his activities. Prefers to have independence that would allow him to live freely, by his own schedule, and to retain his individuality.

    Demonstrates follow-through with his projects and interests others with them. His faith in success, even in the most hopeless cases, gets passed on to those around him, while his enthusiasm is able to shake the confidence of even the most hardened skeptics. Passionately defends his beliefs. If he is confident in his correctness, exerts strong emotional pressure on others, disregarding any authorities. Quickly notices weak spots of his opponent and can easily put him into a dead end. But grows tired from discussions quickly. Prefers to communicate with like-minded people, and thus creates a social circle around himself of people who have similar views and are sympathetic towards each other.

    Able to see ahead, has a good sense for future development and prospect of affairs and relations. Perceives danger ahead of time, and tries to take measures to eliminate it in advance. Surprises people around him by his gift of prescience, as his predictions often come true. Having many options and choices of solutions, experiences difficulty with taking initiative. Unsure of himself, and especially in his own volitional qualities. Suffers due to his scatteredness and disorganization, and inertia of his character. Doesn't know how to protect his material and financial interests. However, in extreme situations he is decisive, determined, cool-headed and discerning, instantly orients, showing courage and resourcefulness.

    Reacts sensitively to rudeness, cruelty, injustice. Can lose his temper and flare up. Doesn't always control himself in his words and actions. Calming down, tries to rectify the situation, especially if he feels himself in the wrong. Otherwise doesn't compromise. Very impressionable and vulnerable. For a long time cannot get out of a stressed state. Even after many years, remembers what he had lived through and experienced down to the minutest details. Being disappointed in a person, forever crosses him out of his life. Not vindictive in little things. Able to forgive a lot to those whom he loves and respects.

    Tries to be responsible and keep his obligations, to not let others down. Might not keep his word only due to easily getting distracted. Does not like to make promises if he is not confident that he can fulfill them. Sometimes does more than what is expected of him. Dislikes being in debt, having to ask for help, to impose himself or show vested interests. Strives to keep his appearance, his living space and his workplace in order, but this comes to him only with great effort. Impractical and yielding in everyday household matters, modest and undemanding towards items, but strives to look attractive, sometimes even extravagant. Doesn't know how to take care of himself, but is in big need of both personal and physical comfort. Poorly tolerates overcrowdeding, large crowds of people, as well as absence of aesthetics in any of its manifestations.

    Ne-IEE Description by Victor Gulenko: Very sociable, temperamental, mobile person. Initiator of many things, characterized by a lot of restlessness and changeability. Very creative person, but at times he is scattered and lacks discipline. Capable of pouring out his dissatisfaction on his superiors, does not take relations of subordination into account. Outwardly, frequently has full rounded forms. In clothing can be demonstrative, bright, even gaudy.


    Sexual behavior of subtypes: http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...s_and_Subtypes


    Ethical subtype Fi-ENFp (Fi-IEE)

    Description by V. Meged and A. Ovcharov


    Fi-IEE Appearance:
    The ethical subtype is artistic, impatient, a little extravagant. Unpredictable in his actions and statements. Like to surprise or entertain people around him, and even insignificant events present as big sensations. Frequently becomes the soul of the company: he is self-assured, has a good sense of humor, independent, original, and very impulsive. Characterized by a kind of sincerity and spontaneity similar to a small child who doesn't hide his feelings. Can create familiar, homelike environment for communication even with unfamiliar to him people. Readily gives compliments, voices his admirations of people around him. Optimistic and amiable. Charming and coquettish, but too direct and rash in his statements and actions. This creates an impression of seeming availability or theatricality. At times assertive and pushy, periodically becomes focused. Looks directly at someone, attentively, not blinking. Movements are sharp and decisive. Gait is rapid and directed, assured, although somewhat angular. Often has a somewhat round face. Likes to dress originally, with taste, to impress others and to be liked by them.

    Fi-IEE Character:
    Single-minded, purposeful, determined, active and mobile. Clever, inventive, and resourceful in solving any problems. Believes in good luck no matter what happens. With his energy, optimism, and hard work he usually achieves his goals. He is able to overcome great obstacles. It is difficult for him to prepare for something in advance, he prefers impromptu improvisations. Sometimes he does even the incredible at the last moment, when seemingly there were no chances. Does not become lost under any circumstances. Even if he's unsure of himself, demonstrates courage and determination, with which he can psychologically disarm an opponent.

    Emotional, sociable, and welcoming. Knows how to find an approach to each person. Seems somewhat affectatious in his behavior. Readily gives compliments to people with a sincere desire to raise their mood and spirits, to do something pleasant for them. Tries to encourage everyone, to instill confidence in success. Charming and diplomatic. Of flaws and shortcomings speaks in a joking manner, so as not to offend. Talks of his own difficulties and troubles with humor, due to which some may come to view him as a carefree, light-minded, unproblematic person. Due to his desire to maintain good relations with everyone can overload himself with unnecessary contacts. Not accepting of conventions and prejudices. Trusting by nature: in a conversation can say too much, considering secrecy a sign of cowardice or insecurity.

    Tries to be the center of attention and to be liked by everyone. Likes to win over people, but usually doesn't go beyond this. Inclined to quickly become disappointed in the objects of his sympathy. Very much dependent on his moods, which sometimes affects his close relationships. Impulsive and straightforward, sometimes extravagant and unpredictable in his actions, but always interesting to people around him. Tries to be aware of the various events, so that given an opportunity he can stun others with original new, to tell them something extraordinary, sensational, spectacular. Has well-developed imagination, and in the course of telling a story adds interesting details, in which he himself may come to believe. At times confuses reality and imaginative fiction.

    Enthusiastically defends his views and opinions. An opponent of hierarchy and rank subordination. Doesn't become timid before his superiors, boldly defends his point of view and interests. Impressionable and easily takes offense. Can be hot tempered, unrestrained, at times even aggressive. However, easily moves on and forgives. Not envious, sincerely rejoices at the successes of others. Seems organic, natural, free and unconstrained in his behavior. Creates a trusting atmosphere in interaction and knows how to diffuse a tense situation.

    Energetic and enterprising in new ventures, although at times he doesn't have enough patience and follow-through. Restless, dislikes performing meticulous detailed work, to take care of documentation. Dislikes strict rules that hinder his independence. Can run late to events. Often doesn't complete his assignment in time, as he gets distracted by extraneous activities and conversations. In interaction, often changes topics of conversation, jumping from one subject to another. Feels upset and discouraged if at this he loses sight of something important.

    Energetic and enterprising in new business, although he sometimes lacks patience and consistency. Restless, he does not like hard work, documentation. He does not like the strict rules that hamper its independence. It may be late for the event. Often it does not have time to make the scheduled date, as distracted by extraneous things and talk. In conversation often changes the topic of conversation, jumping from one to another. It discouraged if it loses sight of something significant.

    Due to tendency to scatter his attention, prefers to receive information in a concise, clear, memorable form. He doesn't need lengthy explanations, understands everything from half a word. In important to him matters, he is conscientious, tries to be responsible at his job, works thoroughly and efficiently. Dislikes letting people down and becomes very upset if he fails to fulfill his agreements. Tries to fight irresponsibility in himself and atone for his fault in any way. Values the opinions of people in his circle. Feels offended if there are doubts of his abilities, his logic and business qualities. Self-critical, still the criticism of others wounds him deeply.

    Inclined to risky adventures, that improve his vitality, travels and makes trips with much pleasure. He is often not careful enough and reckless in his actions. Needs care and attention of people around him. Not indifferent to comfort, but is unable to constantly maintain order and organization. From everyday and household problems, as well as from any routine, gets tired easily. Not thrifty and economical, careless, negatively views any manifestations of greed. Likes beautiful things. Looks simple and natural, but if he wishes can dress elegantly and originally. Looks after his figure. A hopeless romantic: inclined to idealize people and relationships. Dreams of harmony and perfection. Feels upset by the inability to find them in real life.

    Fi-IEE Description by Victor Gulenko: Sees in other people hidden desires, inclination, and attachments. Prefers to work at a short psychological distance, unlike the intuitive subtype. Likes giving advice, gravitates towards psychoanalysis, in this case counting on manifestation of positive qualities in people. Can stand up for others, defend their interests, but finds it more difficult to stand up for himself. Outwardly is often somewhat thin and elegant. Prefers free sitting clothes and soft tones.
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    Sorry, but you have it the other way around; the ethical sub-tyupe is the quiet one.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    IS the following in error then?? :

    "ADVISER

    Intuitive subtype produces the impression of person, a little torn from the reality, internally concentrated and at the same time scattered. It is inclined to the unexpected contrasts of the behavior: shyness and apathy can be changed into by emotional lift, determination and activity, the melancholy expression of face - to voodushevlennoye or glad. Thoughtful and impulsive, optimistic and depressed, shy and energetic, it produces diverse impression. Internally contradictory, touchy and ranimyy, it hides its problems under the mask of lightheartedness. He tries to be affable with all, it attempts each to understand, to give presents by smile. It is attentive, soft and tactful, it locates to the confidence. Willingly it investigates the problems of others, he tries to find way out of the difficult situation, to give advice. It protects its views emotionally, it can show psychological pressure on the opponent. Motions are badly coordinated, impulsive, a little angular. Gait is rapid, somewhat clumsy. Chin is frequently sharpened, the view attentive, interrogative or astonished, penetrating. "

    "1) Reporter

    Very sociable, temperamental, mobile person. The initiator of many affairs. However is distinguished through great restlessness and fickleness. A very creative person, but can be extrenely undisciplined. He can splash out his discontent even on his boss and does not recon a subordination. May wear emphatic, even loud clothes.

    2) Adviser

    Sees the latent inclinations and attachments in people, prefers to work on a short psychological distance (unlike Reporter). Loves giving advice, has a bent for psychoanalysis, thus stakes on the positive qualities of people. Can stand for others and assert their interests, but finds it difficult to stand for himself. Prefers wearing boxy clothes ofmild colors. "

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    No.

    "1) Reporter(Ne-Subtype)

    Very sociable, temperamental, mobile person. The initiator of many affairs. However is distinguished through great restlessness and fickleness. A very creative person, but can be extrenely undisciplined. He can splash out his discontent even on his boss and does not recon a subordination. May wear emphatic, even loud clothes.

    2) Adviser(Fi-subtype)

    Sees the latent inclinations and attachments in people, prefers to work on a short psychological distance (unlike Reporter). Loves giving advice, has a bent for psychoanalysis, thus stakes on the positive qualities of people. Can stand for others and assert their interests, but finds it difficult to stand for himself. Prefers wearing boxy clothes ofmild colors. "
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    I meant this part:

    ""ADVISER

    Intuitive subtype produces the impression of person..."

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    Irregardless, my question is, what specifically makes one ENFP an intuitive subtype, and another an ethial subtype? What is the difference between the two?

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    I'll try my best to explain this:

    An ENFp with an intuitive subtype prefers as their base function, and it is its strongest function.

    An ENFp with an ethical subtype still has as its base function, but its creative function, , is stronger. Because of this, a person of this type may seem like an ISFj, yet in reality, they're still just an ENFp with a stronger creative function.

    Another example:

    I'm ESTp with a logical subtype. I still have as my base function, but I tend to be better than a lot of other ESTps at using my creative function, which is . Because this function is introverted, I'm also generally a little bit quieter than than the 'average' ESTp.

    I hope that cleared up some things for you.
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    The "adviser" bit doesn't really seem to indicate shyness at all, just a dialectic of behavior within the ENFp type.

    Addressing your second question, individuals whom prefer their base-function over their creative-function are base-function subtypes, which in this case would be the intuitive sub-type, and the individual whom prefers the inverse of just stated preference are the creative sub-type, which in this case would be the ethical sort of sub-type.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    Default ENFp subtypes

    ENFP:

    ADVISOR - Intuitive subtype

    The Advisor produces the impression of someone that is a little torn from reality. It is internally concentrated and somewhat scattered. It is inclined to swift contrasts in behavior. It can be shy and apathetic in one moment. This moment could drastically change into an emotional lift that brings out determination and activity. It can possess a melancholy expression of face as easily as it can possess a happy facial expression. It produces diverse impressions that can range from thoughtful to impulsive to optimistic to depressed to shy and to energetic. Due to it's perplexing internal world it can be very sensitive so it hides its problems under the mask of lightheartedness.

    The Advisor tries to be friendly to all while it attempts to understand those that it is communicating with. It often gives a soft smile while doing this. It is attentive, soft and tactful while remaining confident. It loves to investigates the problems of others. In doing so, it tries to give advice on how to avoid negative situations. It protects it's views emotionally and can present fierce pressure when arguing about it's own values.

    The Advisor's motions are badly coordinated and impulsive. It's gait is rapid and somewhat clumsy.

    IMPROVISOR - Ethical subtype

    The Improvisor is impatient and a bit extravagant. It is not easily predictable in it's actions and statements. It loves to astonish or to entertain those near it. It can even spice up daily events. The Improvisor frequently becomes the soul of the party since it possesses self-confidence combined with positive humor and spontaneity. This subtype is characterized by youthful sincerity and directness since it does not hide it's feelings often. It frequently creates comfortable situations with aquaintances even if the company is made up of unfamiliar people. Since it is optimistic and friendly, it often speaks compliments. Even though it is somewhat coy, it can be very straight-forward and rash in it's statements and behaviors. This produces the impression of theatricality.

    Sometimes it is energetic for periods of concentrated time. It looks direct and attentive during this time.

    The Improvisor's motions are usually sharp and decisive. It's gait is swift and confident even though it is somewhat angular. It loves originality but also has good taste and often produces a positive impression.

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    Feel free to critique or add ideas onto this American translation.

    The thing I would love most is if I could get feedback as to why any of you ENFps feel why the subtypes match or mismatch to yourselves and to the subtype function. For example, "Why is this the Fi subtype?"

    TIA! I think I can only do one of these a day. They give me a headache I'll try to do INFj next...

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    What isn't me about the ni description:

    I can sometimes be a little shy, but I'm never apathetic.

    I am very very seldom melancholy. If I get in a bad mood it's generally more angry than melancholy.

    I don't think I hide problems under a mask of lightheartedness. I don't really hide what I'm feeling at all. And I can be a little bit sensitive, but not all that sensitive. The phrase most often used to describe me is "laid back".

    The rest sounds pretty much like me.

    As for the ethical subtype description -

    Impatient - yes. Extravagant - yes. Not predicatable, likes to astonish or entertain - I guess I go for entertain more but I used to have fun shocking people when I was younger. I do have a good time at parties. I don't hide my feelings. I'm good at making situations comfortable even with people I don't know well. I give lots of compliments. Straight-forward and rash - I can be like that. My mom has called me theatrical and, as I've said before, always wanted me to be an actress because of that.

    Yes I can get energetic, like last week when I was painting the bathroom. LOL. It doesn't happen all the time though.

    Motions - sharp and decisive, yes I can see that but I'm clumsy too, which was in the first description. I do love originality, and I've been told I have pretty good taste.

    Why the fi subtype? I'd love to hear that too. What makes that more fi?
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    Nicky: the subtypes has more too, that's why he's more energetic!

    Fits perfectly my male friend.
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    Confusing. These descriptions don't seem to fit to Gulenko's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gulenko

    Intuitive Subtype

    A very sociable, spirited, mobile person. The initiator of many things; however, he is characterized by great restlessness and changeability. Very creative, but scattered and undisciplined. Capable to [?splash out?] his dissatisfaction, also, to authorities, [?it is not considered the subordination?]. Outwardly, he frequently has complete rounded forms. In his clothing he can be demonstrative and bright, sometimes even loud.

    Ethical Subtype

    Sees in people their concealed gravities and attachments. Prefers to work on a short psychological distance (unlike the other subtype). He loves to give advice, and he gravitates towards psychoanalysis, in this case counts on manifestation in people of their positive qualities. He can stand up for others, defending their interests, but finds it difficult to stand up for himself. Is outwardly more frequently thin and elegant. In his clothing, he prefers a free cut and soft colours.
    Doesn't it look like it's all completely vice versa? Gulenko's E(N)Fp seems to be the one who has more , for example.

    One day someone will post "I'm a Gulenko E(N)Fp", and the next person will reply "oh, but I'm a Reinin EN(F)p, how does that relate to the Gulenko system?" - and pages and pages of heated discussions...

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    Yes schoredinger, I think that for intuitives Gulenko's descriptions are off base, because the more the N function is pronounced, the less the type is energetic and in tune with the environment, as a rule.

    Gulenko is incorrect because Ne suppresses Se.
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    I had a hard time with the other descriptions until expat helped interpret them in chat. At first I thought I was Ne subtype - I felt pretty strongly that way for a bit. Then, for a while, I figured I could kind of be both and maybe just didn't have a subtype. But after talking about subtypes with Expat I became very convinced that I'm an fi subtype.
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    I read the Ethical Subtype first and thought(wow thats definately me) but then i read the other one and a lot made sense there too. I have highlighted in bold the parts that i can relate to. These subtypes are quite positive but i dont mind. It seems to be that i am a hybrid between the two..

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    ENFP:

    ADVISOR - Intuitive subtype

    The Advisor produces the impression of someone that is a little torn from reality. It is internally concentrated and somewhat scattered. It is inclined to swift contrasts in behavior. It can be shy and apathetic in one moment. This moment could drastically change into an emotional lift that brings out determination and activity. It can possess a melancholy expression of face as easily as it can possess a happy facial expression. It produces diverse impressions that can range from thoughtful to impulsive to optimistic to depressed to shy and to energetic. Due to it's perplexing internal world it can be very sensitive so it hides its problems under the mask of lightheartedness.

    The Advisor tries to be friendly to all while it attempts to understand those that it is communicating with. It often gives a soft smile while doing this. It is attentive, soft and tactful while remaining confident. It loves to investigates the problems of others. In doing so, it tries to give advice on how to avoid negative situations. It protects it's views emotionally and can present fierce pressure when arguing about it's own values.

    The Advisor's motions are badly coordinated and impulsive. It's gait is rapid and somewhat clumsy.

    IMPROVISOR - Ethical subtype

    The Improvisor is impatient and a bit extravagant. It is not easily predictable in it's actions and statements. It loves to astonish or to entertain those near it. It can even spice up daily events. The Improvisor frequently becomes the soul of the party since it possesses self-confidence combined with positive humor and spontaneity. This subtype is characterized by youthful sincerity and directness since it does not hide it's feelings often. It frequently creates comfortable situations with aquaintances even if the company is made up of unfamiliar people. Since it is optimistic and friendly, it often speaks compliments. Even though it is somewhat coy, it can be very straight-forward and rash in it's statements and behaviors. This produces the impression of theatricality.

    Sometimes it is energetic for periods of concentrated time. It looks direct and attentive during this time.

    The Improvisor's motions are usually sharp and decisive. It's gait is swift and confident even though it is somewhat angular. It loves originality but also has good taste and often produces a positive impression
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    I can't decide either. And Jadae, are you sure those descriptions aren't switched? It's so odd to have a calm Ne-subtype and an extravagant and bouncy Fi-subtype. I'd have expected it to be the other way round, hence my surprise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    ENFP:

    ADVISOR - Intuitive subtype

    The Advisor produces the impression of someone that is a little torn from reality. (Used to be the case when I was younger.) It is internally concentrated and somewhat scattered. It is inclined to swift contrasts in behavior. It can be shy and apathetic in one moment. This moment could drastically change into an emotional lift that brings out determination and activity. It can possess a melancholy expression of face as easily as it can possess a happy facial expression. It produces diverse impressions that can range from thoughtful to impulsive to optimistic to depressed to shy and to energetic. Due to it's perplexing internal world it can be very sensitive so it hides its problems under the mask of lightheartedness. (I wish.)

    The Advisor tries to be friendly to all while it attempts to understand those that it is communicating with. It often gives a soft smile while doing this. It is attentive, soft and tactful while remaining confident. It loves to investigates the problems of others. In doing so, it tries to give advice on how to avoid negative situations. It protects it's views emotionally and can present fierce pressure when arguing about it's own values.

    The Advisor's motions are badly coordinated and impulsive. It's gait is rapid and somewhat clumsy.

    IMPROVISOR - Ethical subtype

    The Improvisor is impatient and a bit extravagant. It is not easily predictable in it's actions and statements. It loves to astonish or to entertain those near it. It can even spice up daily events. The Improvisor frequently becomes the soul of the party since it possesses self-confidence combined with positive humor and spontaneity. This subtype is characterized by youthful sincerity and directness since it does not hide it's feelings often. It frequently creates comfortable situations with aquaintances even if the company is made up of unfamiliar people. Since it is optimistic and friendly, it often speaks compliments. Even though it is somewhat coy, it can be very straight-forward and rash in it's statements and behaviors. This produces the impression of theatricality.

    Sometimes it is energetic for periods of concentrated time. It looks direct and attentive during this time.

    The Improvisor's motions are usually sharp and decisive. It's gait is swift and confident even though it is somewhat angular. It loves originality but also has good taste and often produces a positive impression.
    So the bottom line is: I'm an E(N)Fp, only I don't smile all the time, I don't pressurize people and I'm not terminally clumsy. This is a little confusing. I always thought I was a Fi subtype.

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    *jumps on the bandwagon*

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    ENFP:

    ADVISOR - Intuitive subtype

    The Advisor produces the impression of someone that is a little torn from reality. It is internally concentrated and somewhat scattered. It is inclined to swift contrasts in behavior. It can be shy and apathetic in one moment. This moment could drastically change into an emotional lift that brings out determination and activity. It can possess a melancholy expression of face as easily as it can possess a happy facial expression. It produces diverse impressions that can range from thoughtful to impulsive to optimistic to depressed to shy and to energetic. {all within about two minutes!!!} Due to it's perplexing internal world it can be very sensitive so it hides its problems under the mask of lightheartedness.

    The Advisor tries to be friendly to all while it attempts to understand those that it is communicating with. It often gives a soft smile {and/or nervous giggle} while doing this. It is attentive, soft and tactful while remaining confident. It loves to investigates the problems of others. In doing so, it tries to give advice on how to avoid negative situations. It protects it's views emotionally and can present fierce pressure when arguing about it's own values.

    The Advisor's motions are badly coordinated and impulsive. It's gait is rapid and somewhat clumsy.

    IMPROVISOR - Ethical subtype

    The Improvisor is impatient and a bit extravagant. It is not easily predictable in it's actions and statements {doesn't this link up with the swift changes of the eNfp?} . It loves to astonish or to entertain those near it. It can even spice up daily events. The Improvisor frequently becomes the soul of the party since it possesses self-confidence combined with positive humor and spontaneity. This subtype is characterized by youthful sincerity and directness since it does not hide it's feelings often. It frequently creates comfortable situations with aquaintances even if the company is made up of unfamiliar people. Since it is optimistic and friendly, it often speaks compliments. Even though it is somewhat coy, it can be very straight-forward and brash in it's statements and behaviors. This produces the impression of theatricality.

    Sometimes it is energetic for periods of concentrated time. It looks direct and attentive during this time.

    The Improvisor's motions are usually sharp and decisive. It's gait is swift and confident even though it is somewhat angular. It loves originality but also has good taste and often produces a positive impression.
    edited to add:
    my friend says to add superemphasis on: It protects it's views emotionally and can present fierce pressure when arguing about it's own values.


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    Wow thanks guys. Im glad for the feedback. I will look at the feedback later tonight when Im more calm and feel like reading a lot. This is the kind of thing needed in order to explore subtypes and what they mean since little is available on them. Im glad some noted the contrast between subtype profiles because they seemed to mismatch

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Yes schoredinger, I think that for intuitives Gulenko's descriptions are off base, because the more the N function is pronounced, the less the type is energetic and in tune with the environment, as a rule.

    Gulenko is incorrect because Ne suppresses Se.
    Why do you feel that subtypes exist? What is your best estimate or guess?

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    I can't decide either. And Jadae, are you sure those descriptions aren't switched? It's so odd to have a calm Ne-subtype and an extravagant and bouncy Fi-subtype. I'd have expected it to be the other way round, hence my surprise.
    I cant further edit this without deciding that. It's kind of confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Yes schoredinger, I think that for intuitives Gulenko's descriptions are off base, because the more the N function is pronounced, the less the type is energetic and in tune with the environment, as a rule.

    Gulenko is incorrect because Ne suppresses Se.
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    No I mean why functionally or systematically? Why is there a differentiation for us to see in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    No I mean why functionally or systematically? Why is there a differentiation for us to see in the first place?
    Functionally? Because if

    ENFp prefers Ne then Ne>Se and Fi>Ti but Ne:Se>Fi:Ti

    ENFp prefers Fi then Fi>Ti and Ne>Se but Ne:Se of EN(F)p<Ne:Se of E(N)Fp and therefore EN(F)p has more Se than E(N)Fp
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    Maybe I will do ESTp next even though Ive really been wanting to do ENFj.

    I wonder why the extended preferences though. I wonder if it is related to past and current well-being.

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    I find these two subtypes very true.

    I know so many ENFps, SO many... and I've noticed a separation between them all. Some are in one subtype and some the other and it all fits =)

    Personally I prefer subtype number 1.


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    I'm completely confused about which sub-type I am. Maybe you all can help?

    The first one is true, except I only hide problems under the mask of lightheartedness if I consider the people more of an aquaintance, or a new friend. With true friends, I completely let my guard down and shown them all my suffering and misery (such as going through this breakup now), etc.

    But I only do that with a select few. Otherwise, I'll tell entertaining stories about whatever problem is going, focusing on the amusing/funny parts and everyone laughs and they think I'm not that upset. I guess I don't want to burden people with the emotional weight of those problems, unless I know them well and have helped them w/ their problems too.

    The second one is true, except I don't show my feelings at a party, unless I'm close friends w/ everyone there. I'd rather entertain everyone with dramatic stories, etc, and am often the life of the party. I realized this because if I'm an hour late, like half the people will call because they're bored. I know I also put people at ease and sorta feel like long-term friends right away with most people I meet, because I can understand them emotionally. So, I can find myself with a new circle of friends in like a week.

    I'm also very straight-forward if someone is doing something that violates my values, or is upsetting to other's around me. Other than that, I usually bite my tongue and just avoid hanging out with that person, as I prefer to avoid conflict.

    Does anyone have any idea what subtype I am based on that? I'm sooo confused....thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    ENFP:

    ADVISOR - Intuitive subtype

    The Advisor produces the impression of someone that is a little torn from reality. It is internally concentrated and somewhat scattered. It is inclined to swift contrasts in behavior. It can be shy and apathetic in one moment. This moment could drastically change into an emotional lift that brings out determination and activity. It can possess a melancholy expression of face as easily as it can possess a happy facial expression. It produces diverse impressions that can range from thoughtful to impulsive to optimistic to depressed to shy and to energetic. Due to it's perplexing internal world it can be very sensitive so it hides its problems under the mask of lightheartedness.

    The Advisor tries to be friendly to all while it attempts to understand those that it is communicating with. It often gives a soft smile while doing this. It is attentive, soft and tactful while remaining confident. It loves to investigates the problems of others. In doing so, it tries to give advice on how to avoid negative situations. It protects it's views emotionally and can present fierce pressure when arguing about it's own values.

    The Advisor's motions are badly coordinated and impulsive. It's gait is rapid and somewhat clumsy.

    IMPROVISOR - Ethical subtype

    The Improvisor is impatient and a bit extravagant. It is not easily predictable in it's actions and statements. It loves to astonish or to entertain those near it. It can even spice up daily events. The Improvisor frequently becomes the soul of the party since it possesses self-confidence combined with positive humor and spontaneity. This subtype is characterized by youthful sincerity and directness since it does not hide it's feelings often. It frequently creates comfortable situations with aquaintances even if the company is made up of unfamiliar people. Since it is optimistic and friendly, it often speaks compliments. Even though it is somewhat coy, it can be very straight-forward and rash in it's statements and behaviors. This produces the impression of theatricality.

    Sometimes it is energetic for periods of concentrated time. It looks direct and attentive during this time.

    The Improvisor's motions are usually sharp and decisive. It's gait is swift and confident even though it is somewhat angular. It loves originality but also has good taste and often produces a positive impression.
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    Jewels I would say you are a ethical subtype. All your responses involved people and making them feel good. I think (and this is my own take on it) that intuitive subtypes are more focused on their own projects and schemes. They want to get others to join them in what they are doing but if they cant find anyone they go it alone. I think and intuitive subtype would travel more, write poems or music, be engaged in some field that involves responding in the moment or doing something new and creative. More offbeat and eccentric, more boheimian than the ethical subtype who is more into people, causes and mediating relationships which neccessitates being there for those that need them. I think the ethical subtypes being more concerned with people and how people would view them tend to be a little more concervative in behavior and dress.
    Hope this helps. Maybe you are both or one subtype for a time and another subtype later. I was much more an intuitive subtype when I was younger and now I feel more ethical. This is assuming that subtypes are fluid and changeable. I dont know if they are or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Because if

    ENFp prefers Ne then Ne>Se and Fi>Ti but Ne:Se>Fi:Ti

    ENFp prefers Fi then Fi>Ti and Ne>Se but Ne:Se of EN(F)p<Ne:Se of E(N)Fp and therefore EN(F)p has more Se than E(N)Fp
    Does this mean:

    Any ENFp's is stronger than his , and his is stronger than his . If an ENFp prefers , then the total amount of and will be greater than the total amount of and .

    ...but couldn't this mean that the is just very strong and the very weak? This would not affect the total sum, wouldn't it?

    Gah. Ti. I should not have to do this, you know. We all know that Ti is merely an artificial construct invented by an international conspiracy to prevent us ENFps from taking over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz
    Jewels I would say you are a ethical subtype. All your responses involved people and making them feel good. I think (and this is my own take on it) that intuitive subtypes are more focused on their own projects and schemes. They want to get others to join them in what they are doing but if they cant find anyone they go it alone. I think and intuitive subtype would travel more, write poems or music, be engaged in some field that involves responding in the moment or doing something new and creative. More offbeat and eccentric, more boheimian than the ethical subtype who is more into people, causes and mediating relationships which neccessitates being there for those that need them. I think the ethical subtypes being more concerned with people and how people would view them tend to be a little more concervative in behavior and dress.
    Hope this helps. Maybe you are both or one subtype for a time and another subtype later. I was much more an intuitive subtype when I was younger and now I feel more ethical. This is assuming that subtypes are fluid and changeable. I dont know if they are or not.
    Topaz. I think you summed it up almost perfectly. Jewels you sound EXACTLY like me. I was also more Intuitive when i was younger, now that im in the big wide world, i am a little more conservative. Im also not really creative.

    One thing i noticed today is i have an ability to recall a persons emotions in my minds eye. I cant do it perfectly, but i realise i basically do this subconsciously. I think this must be . My memory sucks when it comes to what i was doing yesterday, however when i think about seeing someone in pain or nervous or something i can remember it for months.
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    Recalling other people's emotions... that is interesting. When remembering meeting someone, can you recall exactly what they were like while forgetting all about whether they were wearing glasses or not? (With "what they were like" I mean the feeling you got about what being that other person probably feels like.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by schrödinger's cat
    Recalling other people's emotions... that is interesting. When remembering meeting someone, can you recall exactly what they were like while forgetting all about whether they were wearing glasses or not? (With "what they were like" I mean the feeling you got about what being that other person probably feels like.)
    I can. Once I get an impression of a person I dont usually forget it. Their name?... well thats optional. I can get a good fix on somebodys character in a very short time. It usually stays consistent but every now and then someone will totally fool me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz
    [I can. Once I get an impression of a person I dont usually forget it. Their name?... well thats optional. I can get a good fix on somebodys character in a very short time. It usually stays consistent but every now and then someone will totally fool me.
    Yep, practically the same
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    On second thought, I think I might be the intuitive subtype.

    Even though, I never dress "wierd" and usually like more of a simple look that's in style, I do dress a little out there if I have the chance to...like if I'm visiting NYC or something where that's not so odd.

    I don't hang out w/ really wierd people often, but I do have some random friends and like unique people. But most of my close friends are typical "normal" people.

    I shudder at the idea of acting "out there" and "wierd" in public. I never like to be embarassed in public. I always act normal. However, when no one is around, I will insist on a piggy back ride or running for no reason.

    I do write a lot of poetry (most of it I consider bad), paint, etc, but I don't talk about this to people often (as most of it is bad, haha). And I rarely show anyone anything unless I'm very, very close to them. I don't like to be called "artsy."

    I also change mood a lot and very easily. I'll be on top of the world super confident girl and then someone will mildly insult me and I'll get all quiet and over think things. Then I'll be all spacy and thinking of stuff, and then I'll be very upfront and blunt. Then I'll be overly serious about my goals. Then I'll forget all about my five point plan and giggle for an hour. Then I'll be really quiet for a while and not feel like talkign. And then I'm imossible to shut up, etc.

    So does this sound like the intuitive sub type? Or am I still ethical subtype and in denial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels
    On second thought, I think I might be the intuitive subtype.

    Even though, I never dress "wierd" and usually like more of a simple look that's in style, I do dress a little out there if I have the chance to...like if I'm visiting NYC or something where that's not so odd.

    I don't hang out w/ really wierd people often, but I do have some random friends and like unique people. But most of my close friends are typical "normal" people.

    I shudder at the idea of acting "out there" and "wierd" in public. I never like to be embarassed in public. I always act normal. However, when no one is around, I will insist on a piggy back ride or running for no reason.

    I do write a lot of poetry (most of it I consider bad), paint, etc, but I don't talk about this to people often (as most of it is bad, haha). And I rarely show anyone anything unless I'm very, very close to them. I don't like to be called "artsy."

    I also change mood a lot and very easily. I'll be on top of the world super confident girl and then someone will mildly insult me and I'll get all quiet and over think things. Then I'll be all spacy and thinking of stuff, and then I'll be very upfront and blunt. Then I'll be overly serious about my goals. Then I'll forget all about my five point plan and giggle for an hour. Then I'll be really quiet for a while and not feel like talkign. And then I'm imossible to shut up, etc.

    So does this sound like the intuitive sub type? Or am I still ethical subtype and in denial?
    I wonder if there is a crazy subtype Just kidding. I dont think the intuitive subtype has to be all 'in your face' eccentric. I think the ones that are like that are so caught up in what they are doing they cant help but stand out as strange. It really has less to do with an audience. They dont try to "ACT" weird, they ARE weird. (am I spelling that right? weird... wierd... no weird. right?)
    Actually I have met people of almost all types that are eccentric, so its not just the province of ENFPs. Ive even met ISFJs that would set you back a step. :wink:

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    Topaz,
    That post made me laugh! I am okay w/ being a crazy type, haha.

    So, were you saying I did sound intuitive? and just less wierd? Or were you saying ethical? I'm curious.




    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz
    Quote Originally Posted by jewels
    On second thought, I think I might be the intuitive subtype.

    Even though, I never dress "wierd" and usually like more of a simple look that's in style, I do dress a little out there if I have the chance to...like if I'm visiting NYC or something where that's not so odd.

    I don't hang out w/ really wierd people often, but I do have some random friends and like unique people. But most of my close friends are typical "normal" people.

    I shudder at the idea of acting "out there" and "wierd" in public. I never like to be embarassed in public. I always act normal. However, when no one is around, I will insist on a piggy back ride or running for no reason.

    I do write a lot of poetry (most of it I consider bad), paint, etc, but I don't talk about this to people often (as most of it is bad, haha). And I rarely show anyone anything unless I'm very, very close to them. I don't like to be called "artsy."

    I also change mood a lot and very easily. I'll be on top of the world super confident girl and then someone will mildly insult me and I'll get all quiet and over think things. Then I'll be all spacy and thinking of stuff, and then I'll be very upfront and blunt. Then I'll be overly serious about my goals. Then I'll forget all about my five point plan and giggle for an hour. Then I'll be really quiet for a while and not feel like talkign. And then I'm imossible to shut up, etc.

    So does this sound like the intuitive sub type? Or am I still ethical subtype and in denial?
    I wonder if there is a crazy subtype Just kidding. I dont think the intuitive subtype has to be all 'in your face' eccentric. I think the ones that are like that are so caught up in what they are doing they cant help but stand out as strange. It really has less to do with an audience. They dont try to "ACT" weird, they ARE weird. (am I spelling that right? weird... wierd... no weird. right?)
    Actually I have met people of almost all types that are eccentric, so its not just the province of ENFPs. Ive even met ISFJs that would set you back a step. :wink:
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    ENTp's are also often weird. I also find some introverts weird. You know the ones that stutter and have their hair all combed over to one side

    Everyone is weird

    no one is weird

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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels
    Topaz,
    That post made me laugh! I am okay w/ being a crazy type, haha.

    So, were you saying I did sound intuitive? and just less wierd? Or were you saying ethical? I'm curious.
    If I were to guess I would say intuitive subtype. Thats only because you let your moods influence you and didnt go on and on about how you affect other people or how they affect you. I could be completely off though. I would love to meet all the ENFPs on this forum for a party. It would be trippy to see how different and similar each of us are IRL. I think we'd have a blast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    ENFP:

    ADVISOR - Intuitive subtype

    The Advisor produces the impression of someone that is a little torn from reality. It is internally concentrated and somewhat scattered. It is inclined to swift contrasts in behavior. It can be shy and apathetic in one moment. This moment could drastically change into an emotional lift that brings out determination and activity. It can possess a melancholy expression of face as easily as it can possess a happy facial expression. It produces diverse impressions that can range from thoughtful to impulsive to optimistic to depressed to shy and to energetic. Due to it's perplexing internal world it can be very sensitive so it hides its problems under the mask of lightheartedness.

    The Advisor tries to be friendly to all while it attempts to understand those that it is communicating with. It often gives a soft smile while doing this. It is attentive, soft and tactful while remaining confident. It loves to investigates the problems of others. In doing so, it tries to give advice on how to avoid negative situations. It protects it's views emotionally and can present fierce pressure when arguing about it's own values.

    The Advisor's motions are badly coordinated and impulsive. It's gait is rapid and somewhat clumsy.



    That is so me. pretty fascinating. When I am uninterested people often think I'm mad. or in class i often carry an apathetic expression.

    I'm also pretty clumsy. I trip alot.
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    The ethical subtype description fits me better. From the first description I can only relate to the “attempts to understand people, problems and give advice” part. Oh, and I do tend to protect my views emotionally. I’ve been criticised by some people for doing it. I was much more intuitive (daydreamer ), too when I was younger, then I guess around 15, 16 I slowly became more... ethical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    ENFP:

    ADVISOR - Intuitive subtype

    The Advisor produces the impression of someone that is a little torn from reality. It is internally concentrated and somewhat scattered. It is inclined to swift contrasts in behavior. It can be shy and apathetic in one moment. This moment could drastically change into an emotional lift that brings out determination and activity. It can possess a melancholy expression of face as easily as it can possess a happy facial expression. It produces diverse impressions that can range from thoughtful to impulsive to optimistic to depressed to shy and to energetic. Due to it's perplexing internal world it can be very sensitive so it hides its problems under the mask of lightheartedness.

    The Advisor tries to be friendly to all while it attempts to understand those that it is communicating with. It often gives a soft smile while doing this. It is attentive, soft and tactful while remaining confident. It loves to investigates the problems of others. In doing so, it tries to give advice on how to avoid negative situations. It protects it's views emotionally and can present fierce pressure when arguing about it's own values.
    The Advisor's motions are badly coordinated and impulsive. It's gait is rapid and somewhat clumsy.

    IMPROVISOR - Ethical subtype

    The Improvisor is impatient and a bit extravagant. It is not easily predictable in it's actions and statements. It loves to astonish or to entertain those near it. It can even spice up daily events. The Improvisor frequently becomes the soul of the party since it possesses self-confidence combined with positive humor and spontaneity (I wouldn’t describe myself as the soul of the party and my humor is rather sarcastic) . This subtype is characterized by youthful sincerity and directness since it does not hide it's feelings often. It frequently creates comfortable situations with aquaintances even if the company is made up of unfamiliar people (I’m not good at it). Since it is optimistic and friendly, it often speaks compliments. Even though it is somewhat coy, it can be very straight-forward and rash in it's statements and behaviors (so true). This produces the impression of theatricality (probably yes).

    Sometimes it is energetic for periods of concentrated time. It looks direct and attentive during this time.

    The Improvisor's motions are usually sharp and decisive. It's gait is swift and confident even though it is somewhat angular. It loves originality but also has good taste and often produces a positive impression.
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