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    Put your balls on the chopping block: post a picture, and we can settle the ILI/LII debate once and for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Put your balls on the chopping block: post a picture, and we can settle the ILI/LII debate once and for all.
    O_O This reminds me of this video of 2 guys, 1 chopped his balls off, the other chopped off his dick!

    I wonder.. if i'm allowed to post the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mea
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Put your balls on the chopping block: post a picture, and we can settle the ILI/LII debate once and for all.
    O_O This reminds me of this video of 2 guys, 1 chopped his balls off, the other chopped off his dick!

    I wonder.. if i'm allowed to post the link.
    lol. I wonder if it's all somehow linked to some 100% sure ILI vs. LII test.
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    it wouldnt mean anything anyway; VI does not a type make. certainly VI, a method somewhat dubious to begin with, would resolve nothing in this situation.


    except in gilligan's brain, as he apparently believes that his VI skills are renowned throughout the world and that he should become the sole authority on the subject.

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    i doubt phaedrus still has a body, and/or has the practical skills to take a pic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Put your balls on the chopping block: post a picture, and we can settle the ILI/LII debate once and for all.
    While it is likely that you will recognize me as an ILI if I posted a picture, it is even more likely that not everyone will.

    Let's say the majority thinks that I look like an ILI. What would that prove? Only that I was right when I claimed that many people on this forum have incorrect conceptions of the types and the functions. But if that is true, then it should be possible to make them understand that without everything depending on whether I am an ILI or an LII. And it is highly unlikely that people will change their opinion of me based on some pictures.

    Let's instead say that the majority thinks that I look like an LII. Would that make me change my mind of my own type? Of course not. Why should I think that their V.I. skills are better than mine? The contrary seems more likely. Besides that, I have so many very strong indications that I am an ILI, that they together form a much stronger argument for ILI than any result of a V.I. poll would.

    So, what's the point in posting a picture? The debate won't be solved anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Put your balls on the chopping block: post a picture, and we can settle the ILI/LII debate once and for all.
    While it is likely that you will recognize me as an ILI if I posted a picture, it is even more likely that not everyone will.

    Let's say the majority thinks that I look like an ILI. What would that prove? Only that I was right when I claimed that many people on this forum have incorrect conceptions of the types and the functions. But if that is true, then it should be possible to make them understand that without everything depending on whether I am an ILI or an LII. And it is highly unlikely that people will change their opinion of me based on some pictures.

    Let's instead say that the majority thinks that I look like an LII. Would that make me change my mind of my own type? Of course not. Why should I think that their V.I. skills are better than mine? The contrary seems more likely. Besides that, I have so many very strong indications that I am an ILI, that they together form a much stronger argument for ILI than any result of a V.I. poll would.

    So, what's the point in posting a picture? The debate won't be solved anyway.
    This post is so full of non sequitur that it hurts. Take a lesson in logic.
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    Do you have anything to lose by posting a picture if you're so sure? I'll bet people would be MUCH more willing to believe that you are ILI if you actually DO look like one. You have to give people SOME credit

    And niffweed, when you determine your own type and actually have a good grasp on the system that you can apply without making yourself look like an ass, you can talk to me, one of the most respected typers in the community, about typing skills. Until then, you've got the second spot on my ignore list.
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    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    seriously, i have no idea why it would hurt to post a pic. although it probably won't give any accurate results, i find it difficult to understand why, given that there seems to be a pic readily available, that you won't simply post it.

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    We love you no matter what type you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan

    And niffweed, when you determine your own type and actually have a good grasp on the system that you can apply without making yourself look like an ass, you can talk to me, one of the most respected typers in the community, about typing skills. Until then, you've got the second spot on my ignore list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan

    And niffweed, when you determine your own type and actually have a good grasp on the system that you can apply without making yourself look like an ass, you can talk to me, one of the most respected typers in the community, about typing skills. Until then, you've got the second spot on my ignore list.
    lol
    to me this says, arrogance > confidence...lol

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    perhaps so. i just think it somewhat incredible that gilligan feels he has the authority to denote himself as "one of the most respected typers in the community."

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    I think he was just trumping himself, not expecting anyone to take him seriously I can imagine him watching himself at the mirror with important, official clothing, and pronouce that speech
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    perhaps so. i just think it somewhat incredible that gilligan feels he has the authority to denote himself as "one of the most respected typers in the community."
    I'm curious as to who exactly respects him because I sure don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cracka
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan

    And niffweed, when you determine your own type and actually have a good grasp on the system that you can apply without making yourself look like an ass, you can talk to me, one of the most respected typers in the community, about typing skills. Until then, you've got the second spot on my ignore list.
    lol
    to me this says, arrogance > confidence...lol
    Oh god...you think I'm intimidated by niffweed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    perhaps so. i just think it somewhat incredible that gilligan feels he has the authority to denote himself as "one of the most respected typers in the community."
    I'm curious as to who exactly respects him because I sure don't.
    I won't say I don't respect him when it comes to this, since he knows about 10x more than I ever will. So I'll give him credit for that.
    But, I don't know if I can get passed the immaturity I see every once in a while to say he's one of the most respected people at typing on here. I'm not talking shit or saying anything bad, just saying how I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Quote Originally Posted by cracka
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan

    And niffweed, when you determine your own type and actually have a good grasp on the system that you can apply without making yourself look like an ass, you can talk to me, one of the most respected typers in the community, about typing skills. Until then, you've got the second spot on my ignore list.
    lol
    to me this says, arrogance > confidence...lol
    Oh god...you think I'm intimidated by niffweed?
    actually, it had nothing to do with niffweed at all, I just quoted his quote instead of quoting yours which was farther up. Your statement just seemed quite arrogant to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    perhaps so. i just think it somewhat incredible that gilligan feels he has the authority to denote himself as "one of the most respected typers in the community."
    I'm curious as to who exactly respects him because I sure don't.
    I think it would be depend on just which community he is referring to.
    If he's referring to a community of one, then it's very easy to see how he'd be considered the most respected typer of that community.
    If he's referring to a community of his non-socionics or newtosocionics buddies, then he's likely considered the most respected typer of that community.

    Of course we also run into the issue of that his statement claimes that he himself is respected...but not necessarily as a typer. All it claims is that he IS a typer, and that he IS respected, but it doesn't claim that his typing skills are respected.

    And then there's the issue of what is meant by respected. People laughing or not arguing doesn't necessarily imply respect. People agreeing doesn't necessarily imply respect. People saying "whatever" doesn't imply respect either. Admittedly, they don't necessarily imply disrespect either.

    Basically, the "truth" or "meaning" of his statement all comes down to which criteria he's using to make such a claim.
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    I was basically saying that I think I'm better than the vast majority of people here at typing (including niffweed). Is that so controversial?
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    Typing is like Sex and Poker...
    Everyone thinks they're good at it.

    The only way to figure out if it's actually true or not.

    Type everyone and be right all the time.
    Fuck everyone and be good all the time.
    Play poker with everyone and win all the time.

    none of which happens for anyone. :wink:

    usually the saying is just sex is like poker, everyone thinks they're good at it. I figured it would fit here just as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cracka
    Typing is like Sex and Poker...
    Everyone thinks they're good at it.

    The only way to figure out if it's actually true or not.

    Type everyone and be right all the time.
    Fuck everyone and be good all the time.
    Play poker with everyone and win all the time.

    none of which happens for anyone. :wink:

    usually the saying is just sex is like poker, everyone thinks they're good at it. I figured it would fit here just as well.
    alas...as "rightness" in typing is based on opinion, as is "goodness" in fucking....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cracka
    Typing is like Sex and Poker...
    Everyone thinks they're good at it.

    The only way to figure out if it's actually true or not.

    Type everyone and be right all the time.
    Fuck everyone and be good all the time.
    Play poker with everyone and win all the time.

    none of which happens for anyone. :wink:

    usually the saying is just sex is like poker, everyone thinks they're good at it. I figured it would fit here just as well.
    LOL LOL

    yeah but if you fuck someone can you then type them accurately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze8
    Quote Originally Posted by cracka
    Typing is like Sex and Poker...
    Everyone thinks they're good at it.

    The only way to figure out if it's actually true or not.

    Type everyone and be right all the time.
    Fuck everyone and be good all the time.
    Play poker with everyone and win all the time.

    none of which happens for anyone. :wink:

    usually the saying is just sex is like poker, everyone thinks they're good at it. I figured it would fit here just as well.
    LOL LOL

    yeah but if you fuck someone can you then type them accurately
    not if you can't type worth a shit like me...lol I'll just stick to fuck'n them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cracka
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze8
    Quote Originally Posted by cracka
    Typing is like Sex and Poker...
    Everyone thinks they're good at it.

    The only way to figure out if it's actually true or not.

    Type everyone and be right all the time.
    Fuck everyone and be good all the time.
    Play poker with everyone and win all the time.

    none of which happens for anyone. :wink:

    usually the saying is just sex is like poker, everyone thinks they're good at it. I figured it would fit here just as well.
    LOL LOL

    yeah but if you fuck someone can you then type them accurately
    not if you can't type worth a shit like me...lol I'll just stick to fuck'n them.
    *delicate sensibilities offended*

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    LOL I can tell Mea and I are the same type

    I was going to say at the youthful display of testosterone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    LOL I can tell Mea and I are the same type

    I was going to say at the youthful display of testosterone.
    I might just be a different type them because I actually do respect Gilly and his typing skills. I might not always agree with them, but he does not type "out of the blue." Elaborate typing talks with Gilligan are always interesting and insightful. He has a better insight into people's behavior than his posts indicate because his temper gets in the way. :wink:
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    I'm talking about arrogance, not typing skills.
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    Yes, I think I had Diana's post in mind when posting. I will admit that I sometimes roll my eyes at said youthful display of testosterone as well. Sorry, quoting you was a bit misleading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    I'm talking about arrogance, not typing skills.
    Indeed! :wink:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kim
    Yes, I think I had Diana's post in mind when posting. I will admit that I sometimes roll my eyes at said youthful display of testosterone as well. Sorry, quoting you was a bit misleading.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kim
    I might not always agree with them, but he does not type "out of the blue." Elaborate typing talks with Gilligan are always interesting and insightful. He has a better insight into people's behavior than his posts indicate because his temper gets in the way. :wink:
    I don't doubt his typing skills either.
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    i kinda think this whole thing is being blown way, way out of proportion.

    frankly, i don't have much of an issue with gilligan's typing skills. i think that he is probably better than most of us at VI, has a reasonably good understanding of the system of socionics (although he subscribes to a sort of model of the system that i don't understand very well where functions are defined more by theoretical constructs than actual applications- this is something that i think appeals to Ne types, especially Ne dominants. see any of anndelise's posts on information elements) and has at least an acceptable grasp of many other factors which could be useful for typing.


    what i really can't understand or accept about gilligan's methods is his unrelenting emphasis on VI as an useful typing method in and of itself, which to me seems completely wrongheaded and erroneous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    I have a hard time seeing how someone could type people accurately when they don't even understand them. It doesn't appear like he even reads most people's posts and then announces his opinion based primarily on VI. If he would read what people write, and actually attempt to understand them I could take him more seriously.
    I often just state my opinion without giving any explanation, although there's usually a motivation, just can't be bothered to put it in writing all the time.
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    I don't have a problem with his typing skills as compared to everyone else here, but I don't buy his VI thing, and I'd say he's on the same level as many people here, not "one of the best" or whatever.
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