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    Default Socionics depiction of ESTps as being "badass"

    Someone on the intuitive centeral forums said this to me:

    "Socionics views all ESTPs as badasses, so not all that surprised there."

    Agree or disagree? I'll give you my take once there's some replies. :wink:
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    I think the same thing about my type ...

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    It blows my mind how ESTPs can be universally viewed as badasses. I don't even know if it's true or why someone would say that. ESTPs are more often mama's boys than badasses .

    ISTPs are the true badasses in society. James Bond, Han Solo and about every bad guy in a cowboy movie is ISTP.
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    Han Solo was an ESTp, Leia(SP) an ISTj.

    Oh, and I get the impression that Luke may be an INFp, but I"m not entirely certain of that typing, however, I am certain he's a feeler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    Han Solo was an ESTp, Leia(SP) an ISTj.
    Hmm, maybe some people think ESTPs are badasses because they confuse ISTPs with ESTPs? Han Solo is actually very ISTP IMO. He is known as the strong, independent type. I real life example I can think of who reminds me of Solo is George Brett.
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    Bobba Fett is an ISTp, Han Solo is an ESTp.

    And yeah, ISTps are usually far more badass.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Another example of a fictional ISTp: Brock Samson.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Umm, Luke- INFP and Anakin- ESTP? I'm not completely sure.
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    Anakin's a priss and a prick at the same time. I say ENFj.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Actually he seems void of human emotions except for his own. He understands how to fix machines better than dealing with people. Come to think of it, he is probably an ENTJ.
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    That would definately make more sense; he would retain Se as his hidden agenda, which he is obviously influenced LARGELY by.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Speaking of ISTPs, does anyone else think that Keith Richards, Tommy Lee and Lewis Black are ISTPs? I can't think of many ESTPs right now.

    Willey from Bad Santa is also ISTP.
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    Are you guys talking about Star Wars? I haven't even seen any of the movies.

    Anyways, ESTp's aren't really badass, but you can't call us the "do-gooders of society."
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    I'll give you ISTPs... you could say their badasses. I'd agree ESTP are not "do-gooders".... but they're not badasses.

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    Anakin must surely be ESTP. he doesn't plan much, doesn't 'build' and yet ENTJs build enterprises, are interested in ideas. He's an excellent pilot, field commander and combatant - so STP. likes the adrenalin rush - again STP. good with his hands - makes machines. Craftsman STPs make things like that. needs to belong, seeks company, likes to lead - seems more E than I. especially as he doesn't seem to handle isolation and loneliness well.

    hm, reminds me of my brother.

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    From the Episode II and III, I kinda got a strong ENFj vibe, personally...but I have to agree that some things don't neccesarily fit with him being supposedly ENFj. He seems to be ENFj, ENTj, or ESTp...

    I personally believe Luke is an ENFp. He's way too much of a loud-mouth to be INFp and he has certain ENFp people skillz where he can look into people to find their true nature, like being fully convinced that there was some good in Vader and being proved right.

    I'm positive Han Solo is ISTp...I could be wrong, but it seems to be the best-fitting type for him(especially showing his complete lack of tact...and tact is something ESTps seem to posess quite well...especially with charming the opposite sex, but that's a different story ^_-). Han and Luke have this kinda unspoken bond that develops(Duality anyone?).

    I can't really tell if Leia is INFj or ENFj. Her relations with Han seems to be conflicting so I'd guess Han's an ISTp and she's ENFj or he's ESTp and she's INFj. But what do I know.

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    Ok, so now we're back on Star Wars. We actually talked about Solo in a diffrent thread. Now I'm beginning to belive that Anakin is ESTP, it makes a little more sense than ENTJ. For those of you who care, this is what we written about Solo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    I never get confused, it seems to be one of the more obvious differences to me.
    Oh, come on now Mystic, you think Han Solo is an ESTP. :wink:

    Really, how can you be sure that you are not getting confused? Contrasts can often give off similar "vibes". Some ISTPs may be blatant ISTPs and some may seem ESTP. This happens when the consious and subconsious functions get confused to an outside observer. The person themself would always be able to tell the diffrence, but it might be harder for someone else to. I want to get back to Han Solo . Maybe you get an ESTP "vibe" from him but it is not true. The reason is that his PoLR is Fe, not Fi. You can tell by the way he reacts to people, by the way he treats Leia and the way he wants to do things by himself. There was a reason he was given the name "Solo". Remember when Han Solo didn't want to fight the Death Star because he wanted to live, then comes back anyway to help protect Luke and still gives Luke credit? That's ISTP. ESTPs often become braggers and showboaters. Also the violent outbursts are ISTP (this comes from the PoLR of Fe again). Han Solo was the stong independant type, and that's stereotypical ISTP!
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    4. Han Solo's relationship with Leia Organa clearly depicts a mirror relationship, in which it is between the rebellious sensoric thinkers of the beta quadra.

    5. Han Solo wasn't a "strong independant" type; he was a quick-talker with his constant companion Chewbacca by his side.
    I'm not even going to get into Leia, it would be too hard to type them through relationships. They could have a Quasi-Identical relationship though.

    As for Han Solo... ISTPs aren't COMPLETE loners. Some ISTPs are actually sociable. You descibe Chewy as a "constant companion", don't you think that's the way an ISTP would have it? He didn't even enjoy the other people coming along at first. I'll give another example of Han Solo's Fi hidden agenda besides the DeathStar scene. Remember when Han Solo is frozen after being betrayed by Lando? Leia finally tells Solo "I love you" but he doesn't say the same thing back. He just responds with "I know" with a serious face. That's what ISTPs do; they naturally push away a little when people get to close and don't show much emotion. An ESTP would tell you he loves you if you just sit next to him on the bus. lol.
    And Luke Skywalker could very well be ENFP.
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    Sorry, Leia CAN'T be an INFj, the quiet, introverted, and placid type. I also get a thinking vibe from her.

    Also, just because two individuals experience CONFLICTS doesn't mean they're in a CONFLICTING relationship; on the whole, their relationship seems to be one of mutual "constructive critcism", which points towards a mirror relationship. I think ESTj would fit well with her.
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    ISTPs are bad ass...

    ESTPs care more about image and wealth when they are younger to be bad ass enough, they are a close second in this regard..

    An older ESTP becomes bad ass over time in my oppinion.



    As for this star wars mumbo jumbo, yea boba fett is ISTP.

    I wont speculate on the others... Except ever think Darth Vader is a jaded ISTP? He caused his own heart to be broken, then he becomes evil and basically hiding behind a mask and not really opening up to anyone. He needs to see a councellour and talk about his emotions because they keep bottling over and he uses the force, his mastery of the physical universe to choke people with the amount of evil or 'skeletons in his closet'.

    I liked the last star wars, so dark..
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    if anakin was ENTJ he would just use the force to setup a giant intergalactic casino.


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    Now I wonder
    Quote Originally Posted by IcEPiCK
    I wont speculate on the others... Except ever think Darth Vader is a jaded ISTP? He caused his own heart to be broken, then he becomes evil and basically hiding behind a mask and not really opening up to anyone. He needs to see a councellour and talk about his emotions because they keep bottling over and he uses the force, his mastery of the physical universe to choke people with the amount of evil or 'skeletons in his closet'.

    I liked the last star wars, so dark..
    I liked it too.

    The thought had passed my mind that Anakin could be ISTP, but then I was also thinking ESTP. Now I wonder which one makes more sense. His emotions DO seem to be that of an ISTP, so I agree with you there. He also talked about drawing energy from within or something like that. The more I think about it, the more ESTP doesn't seem to work. I was thinking of his drive for power, but an ISTP can be like that too.
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    To me, ESTps are just simply more playful ENTps ... we are so much alike, yet just have those few little diffrences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    It blows my mind how ESTPs can be universally viewed as badasses. I don't even know if it's true or why someone would say that. ESTPs are more often mama's boys than badasses .

    ISTPs are the true badasses in society. James Bond, Han Solo and about every bad guy in a cowboy movie is ISTP.
    Well if that's true of ISTps then I'm not that type.

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    This is half topic but when I was looking through celeb career rankings I noticed that Carrie Fischer was on the top of many lists. I was quite surprised. Then I noticed that she has done a bajilllllion movies. A lot of sites rank her as an ENFP. I cant really argue... but what is Leia...hmm. She really doesnt have a ton of dialog. I would say that she was used as an archetypal strong female for that era. I cant say type for that movies series for sure... seems too general.

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    BTW I think all Ti dominant/auxillary types may seem bad ass. IMO theyre cute and fun to watch. Thats right. I said cute ...and not in the physical sense... but in the behavioral sense! Se variations more so tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
    i think the statement that socionics views ALL SLEs as badasses is false especially when you consider their hidden agenda
    Ooh, I never thought of that. Thanks for that.

    BTW I think all Ti dominant/auxillary types may seem bad ass. IMO theyre cute and fun to watch. Thats right. I said cute ...and not in the physical sense... but in the behavioral sense! Se variations more so tho.
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    That is what I think about the ESTp girl in my college class; it is just so cute to watch her move around and do things. Actually, she comes off as pretty sexy at times.

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    [brag]

    Everyone's attracted to ESTps!

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    thank you for revealing the hidden [brag] feature...

    I will be using it often now.
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    hikjack back to the original question:

    estp's are the original badasses and they love it!

    except when they are acting like the good guy that they really aren't but that they fool people into thinking that they are.

    I can't really hold it against them, though. But you're not fooling me!

    I just like being around estp's. They are so full of it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    except when they are acting like the good guy that they really aren't but that they fool people into thinking that they are.
    Yeah definately, we do that to save our reputations.
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    No. I don't think all SLEs are. Ti subtypes especially don't give off this impression. It's a common misconception. I think all SLEs have the capability to be badasses, and certainly there are some SLE badasses, but not all SLEs are badasses, and certainly not all need to be.
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    And I just realised how pointlessly and massively fucking bumped this thread was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic View Post
    Anakin's a priss and a prick at the same time. I say ENFj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    I'll vote "yes" to both agree and be contrary at the same time.

    but fuck, I bumped the thread.

    oh well
    oh, the thread was some old one...
    Well, ESTps are badasses and so are ISTps. If you've ever seen "Gone Baby Gone", the main character was a really badass ISTp. Never met mama's boy ESTps.
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    Yeah ISTp and ESTp can both be badass. I saw an emo guy get king hit in the city the other day totally knocked out cold blood streaming down his face. The dude did it for no reason he was in a group of 4 guys. My ISTp friend who is about 6'2 and his ISTp brother who is huge and in the army went after the 4 guys who did it. Lucky they didn't catch up with the guys because it could have ended badly.

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    I would suggest SLE choose their battles carefully, looking for weaknesses. Superficially, it may look as if the SLE is a bad ass, but really he/she is avoiding threats and exploiting weaknesses.

    In a way, I would say a martyr is more of a bad ass in that the martyr knows he/she is going to die but has the courage to proceed.
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    that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.

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