The Office (US version)

[eunice]

The Office

I think the show is a great avenue to do a VI. The characters are really stereotypical.

Michael Scott (boss): ESTp
Dwight Schrute (assistant to the boss): ESTj
Pam (receptionist): ISFp
Jim (guy in love with Pam): ENTp (note the duality)
Angela (from the finance dept; Dwight's gf): ISFj
Ryan (the temp): INTj
Kelly Kapoor: ESFj
Phyllis: INFp
Stanley: ISTj
Roy (Pam's fiance): ESTp
What do u think?

[Logos]

After your "Duality in Media" thread, I thought I would look to see if someone else had made a thread about The Office. And I found this untouched thread, so I thought that I would bump it back up.

Michael Scott (boss): ENFj ?
Dwight Schrute: INTp
Jim Halpert: ENTp
Pam Beesley: ISFp
Ryan (the temp): ?

Angela Martin: ISFj
Oscar Martinez: ESTj
Kevin Malone: ?

Stanley Hudson: ISTj
Phyllis Lapin: INFp
Meredith Palmer: ?
Kelly Kapoor: ESFj
Toby Flenderson (HR): ISTp
Roy (Pam's fiance): ESTp

[.thursday]

is this show as clever/funny as people make it out to be?

[Logos]

is this show as clever/funny as people make it out to be?

Anything is always what you make it out to be. It depends on your own personal humor styles, I suppose. Mockumentaries? Office life?

[.thursday]

is it?

[Logos]

What you are asking cannot be truly answered. Your question is like asking "Is the sun really as bright outside as people are making it out to be?" or "Is temperature really as cold outside as people are making it out to be?" or "Is that rose as red as people are making it out to be?" It depends. I enjoy it, but me enjoying it is in no way a guarantee that the show would meet your expectations. Sorry.

[.thursday]

i would have you apply that rule to all conversation and you would find yourself a mute

[aestrivex]

i would have you apply that rule to all conversation and you would find yourself a mute

ridiculous.

[eunice]

is this show as clever/funny as people make it out to be?

yup. I find it very realistic and the humor is dry and subtle (my favorite ). It's probably the best show on TV (the next best show is Survivor). I always enjoy watching shows that depict realism and how group dynamics work out in an enclosed setting. It makes me appreciate and understand communication between people better. And the chemistry between Jim (ENTp) and Pam (ISFp) is hard to ignore.

[.thursday]

edit: i don't know why i am getting riled up. i am silly.

anyways i was just wondering what your opinions were, not your opinions of what it means to have opinions or whatever. : /

[Logos]

Well any other opinions about the types of these characters? The only characters that I can say I am confident in their types are Dwight, Jim, Pam, Angela, and Kelly.

[eunice]

Well any other opinions about the types of these characters? The only characters that I can say I am confident in their types are Dwight, Jim, Pam, Angela, and Kelly.

I think Dwight is an ESTj (even though I haven't met one IRL before ). He seems to be obsessed with his title [Assistant (to) the Regional Manager ], very involved in martial arts, authoritarian, has great respect for authority and extremely law-abiding (volunteering as a weekend sheriff and conducting a drug test on the whole office).

As for Kevin, I think he's ISTp.

[Gilly]

Dwight is completely LSI. Michael Scott is LIE probably. Jim is ILE (note the obvious supervision between he and Dwight, and the quadra conflict between he and Michael.

[eunice]

Dwight is completely LSI.

Why not LSE?

[Gilly]

Introverts are the classic "sidekicks." Besides, he wilfully subordinates himself to Michael in order to climb in the organization and have a position of power; typical unhealthy LSI behavior, and certainly not characteristic of an LSE or any other Delta; this kind of behavior is the antithesis of Delta.

[Logos]

Dwight is completely LSI. Michael Scott is LIE probably. Jim is ILE (note the obvious supervision between he and Dwight, and the quadra conflict between he and Michael.

Hardly anyone would doubt that Jim is most likely ILE or that Pam is probably SEI. But Dwight seems to fall within the Serious dichotomy as opposed the Merry. I can certainly see the elements of LSI though. I suppose Michael insensitivity would point him to an LIE, and it may explain his constant, but inadvertant, strife with Pam.

Dwight is completely LSI.

Why not LSE?

Because although you have not seen any LSE's in real life, I have, and they do not act anything like Dwight.

[Gilly]

Actually, Michael could be SLE. He doesn't seem Serious (but then neither do Jim Carrey, Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn, or Steve Carrel, for that matter ), and he IS a bit boisterous for an LIE.

[Logos]

Actually, Michael could be SLE. He doesn't seem Serious (but then neither do Jim Carrey, Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn, or Steve Carrel, for that matter ), and he IS a bit boisterous for an LIE.

Another indicator may be Toby, who seems to be Michael's supervisor in terms of Socionics. And if we were to assume that Toby is an ISTp, then his supervisee would be an ENTj.

[eunice]

Dwight is completely LSI.

Why not LSE?

Because although you have not seen any LSE's in real life, I have, and they do not act anything like Dwight.

That's very good news. I learn new things about ESTjs everyday.

Actually, Toby could be INTj.

[Logos]

So far:

Michael Scott (boss): ENxj
- The question seems to be one of or .

Jim Halpert: ENTp
Pam Beesley: ISFp
- These two are almost conclusive in their type. It is duality in motion. They are both Alphas living a mundane corporate world who cope with it through the use of (and fun) in the work environment. Jim enjoys playing with and pointing out the logical inconsistencies of his superiors and Dwight through . True to form of the artistic ISFp (however superficial of a title it may be), Pam's secret dream is even to be an artist.

Dwight Schrute: ISTj or INTp
- He either has, needs, or seeks . His leading function is most likely introverted, and he has either a or preference.

Ryan (the temp): INTj ?
- Can at times be a bit negative (and blunt).
- Has an off-and-on relationship with Kelly.
- He apparently knows more about business, but is not that great of salesman.
- Quiet and keeps to himself as to avoid getting sucked into the problems of others in the Office.

Angela Martin: ISFj
- A no nonsense, by-the-book, keeps to herself accountant with a strong moral sense of .

Oscar Martinez: ESTj
Kevin Malone: ISTp

Stanley Hudson: xxTj
- He is here to do his job and nothing more.

Phyllis Lapin: INFj ?
Kelly Kapoor: ESFj
- The office's chatter box, gossip monger, and socialite.

Toby Flenderson (HR): ?
- Does not get along well with Michael, or rather, for some reason Michael is easily upset by what Toby does or says.

Roy (Pam's fiance): ESTp?
- Treats Pam more as an object. I do not think necessarily that his type is one that treats people as objects, but the sort of relationship in which he is in a superior position in the relation.

[Ms. Kensington]

I looked briefly for a thread, but didn't find one.

I have a liking for Jenna Fischer.. she reminds me of Maura Tierney. What do you think her type is? While you're at it, you can type your fav Office stars.

[eunice]

How can I miss this thread?
I think Jenna Fishcher is ISFp.
<-Anyway, my favorite is John Krasinski, who starred as Jim Halpert. He's probably ENTp.

[Logos]

There is this thread as well: http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...ghlight=office. But I may go back and reevaluate these characters although the typings for some of those characters have remained the same.

[Joy]

I've somehow been conned into watching a few episodes. I don't know if a thread has been done on this already or not, as I would not have paid attention to it (except maybe to criticize) in the past. Anyways, I'm curious about what people think of the characters' types? Here's a list of characters.

Michael Scott (Regional Manager of the Scranton Branch of Dunder Mifflin)
Dwight Schrute (Assistant "to the" Regional Manager)
Jim Halpert (Sales Representative)
Pam Beesly (Receptionist)
Ryan Howard (Temporary Worker)
Angela Martin (Accounting Supervisor)
Roy Anderson (Dock Worker)
Kevin Malone (Accountant)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_from_The_Office_(US)


Here are some other secondary characters whose types I'm less interested in:

Oscar Martinez (Accountant)
Stanley Hudson (Sales Representative)
Phyllis Lapin (Sales Representative)
Andy Bernard (Regional Director in Charge of Sales, Stamford)
Karen Filippelli (Sales Representative, Stamford)
Meredith Palmer (Supplier Relations Representative)
Kelly Kapoor (Customer Service Representative)
Creed Bratton (Quality Assurance Officer)
Darryl Philbin (Warehouse Supervisor)
Jan Levinson-Gould (Vice-President of Regional Sales)
Toby Flenderson (Human Resources Representative, Scranton)

[Logos]

I've somehow been conned into watching a few episodes. I don't know if a thread has been done on this already or not, as I would not have paid attention to it (except maybe to criticize) in the past. Anyways, I'm curious about what people think of the characters' types? Here's a list of characters.

Michael Scott (Regional Manager of the Scranton Branch of Dunder Mifflin) ENTj
Dwight Schrute (Assistant "to the" Regional Manager) ISTj
Jim Halpert (Sales Representative) ENTp
Pam Beesly (Receptionist) ISFp
Ryan Howard (Temporary Worker) ESTj ?
Angela Martin (Accounting Supervisor) ISFj
Roy Anderson (Dock Worker) ESTp
Kevin Malone (Accountant) ISTp

Did you not like The Office?

[Joy]

Did you not like The Office?

It's funny, but it's so depressing... it's like Seinfeld (except I rarely find Seinfeld funny). Basically, it's literally painful to watch such stupid, stupid people.

[Logos]

Did you not like The Office?

It's funny, but it's so depressing... it's like Seinfeld (except I rarely find Seinfeld funny). Basically, it's literally painful to watch such stupid, stupid people.

This sounds more like the first season. The show gets less depressing (despite the ups and downs in the relationships), but the stupid people remain.

[Joy]

My take on the show (and I've only seen like 5 episodes) is that it's coming from an Alpha perspective.

Michael Scott: SLE
Dwight Schrute: LIE
Jim Halpert: ILE
Pam Beesly: she seems EII when she's dealing with Michael, but a little IEI when she's dealing with Jim, and I sometimes wonder if she's not SEI
Ryan Howard: LII for sure
Angela Martin: ESI
Roy Anderson: generic ST
Kevin Malone: I don't know. Some sort of introvert?

(and now I'll read yours)

[Joy]

Michael Scott (Regional Manager of the Scranton Branch of Dunder Mifflin) ENTj I have a hard time seeing it... He seems Se dominant, though I could see him being a bit too out there to be an irl SLE. I figured it was an Alpha caricature of SLE's.
Dwight Schrute (Assistant "to the" Regional Manager) ISTj I could see that. Again, he's too "rational" and greedy to be an irl LIE, I figured it was an Alpha caricature of LIE's.
Jim Halpert (Sales Representative) ENTp
Pam Beesly (Receptionist) ISFp But then why is she so incapable of standing up for herself? It's literally painful to watch.
Ryan Howard (Temporary Worker) ESTj ? Really? Granted I'm only on episode 5 or 6 or so, but this seems extremely unlikely thus far. His mannerisms and behavior so far seem totally in line with LII to me.
Angela Martin (Accounting Supervisor) ISFj Yes, another Alpha caricature.
Roy Anderson (Dock Worker) ESTp Perhaps.
Kevin Malone (Accountant) ISTp Really? I don't have much of an opinion at this point, but ILI had crossed my mind.

[Suomea]

I've somehow been conned into watching a few episodes. I don't know if a thread has been done on this already or not, as I would not have paid attention to it (except maybe to criticize) in the past. Anyways, I'm curious about what people think of the characters' types? Here's a list of characters.

Michael Scott (Regional Manager of the Scranton Branch of Dunder Mifflin) LIE maybe?
Dwight Schrute (Assistant "to the" Regional Manager) LIE as well maybe?
Jim Halpert (Sales Representative) ILE
Pam Beesly (Receptionist) Hardest one to type by far....... SEI, IEI, and EII all seem possible, might lean towards the first.
Ryan Howard (Temporary Worker) LII
Angela Martin (Accounting Supervisor) Is she ESI?.... I like her. How about INTp?
Roy Anderson (Dock Worker) Don't know him......
Kevin Malone (Accountant) LSI I think.

[Logos]

Michael Scott: SLE

I have a hard time seeing it... He seems Se dominant, though I could see him being a bit too out there to be an irl SLE. I figured it was an Alpha caricature of SLE's.

Perhaps.

Dwight Schrute: LIE

I could see that. Again, he's too "rational" and greedy to be an irl LIE, I figured it was an Alpha caricature of LIE's.

No, he's an LSI. Notice the Jim/Dwight supervision. But still you should not say that LSI's are greedy and that LIE's could not possibly be that, considering that these are caricatures, and Dwight represents an unhealthy sort of LSI.

Jim Halpert: ILE
Pam Beesly: she seems EII when she's dealing with Michael, but a little IEI when she's dealing with Jim, and I sometimes wonder if she's not SEI

But then why is she so incapable of standing up for herself? It's literally painful to watch.

Pam and Jim are the easiest types to recognize on this show. She is SEI and Jim is definitely ILE. Even SEI's have difficulties standing up for themselves at times. But Pam has been under the yolk of Roy for so long that she is scared to break away from the certainty that he represents. She does begin to stand up for herself though towards the end of Season 3, but that is because she now has to stand alone.

Ryan Howard: LII for sure

Really? Granted I'm only on episode 5 or 6 or so, but this seems extremely unlikely thus far. His mannerisms and behavior so far seem totally in line with LII to me.

While some people say this, I find it doubtful. As we see in later episodes, his greater concern is improving "what works" in Dunder Mifflin and increasing the efficiency of the business, and he possesses an ambition for an MBA so that he can own his business. That is not to say that LII's cannot, but comparing Ryan with Jim shows that they do not seem to have the same Quadra values.

Angela Martin: ESI

Yes, another Alpha caricature.

Yes.

Roy Anderson: generic ST

Perhaps.

Generic ST is a good way of putting it. But it would perhaps best be to examine the nature of the relationship the "generic ST" has with SEI Pam.

Kevin Malone: I don't know. Some sort of introvert?

Really? I don't have much of an opinion at this point, but ILI had crossed my mind.

I said ISTp in part due to the sort of friendship he had with Jim, whom he tends to get along well with.

[Suomea]

Michael Scott (Regional Manager of the Scranton Branch of Dunder Mifflin) ENTj I have a hard time seeing it... He seems Se dominant, though I could see him being a bit too out there to be an irl SLE. I figured it was an Alpha caricature of SLE's.

Yeah, definitely an Alpha caricature. It's basically an Alpha playing dumb so it pretty hard to type.

Dwight Schrute (Assistant "to the" Regional Manager) ISTj I could see that. Again, he's too "rational" and greedy to be an irl LIE, I figured it was an Alpha caricature of LIE's.

Same.

Pam Beesly (Receptionist) ISFp But then why is she so incapable of standing up for herself? It's literally painful to watch. :?

ISFps can have a hard time standing up for themselves. Alot of the time they just avoid conflict. Hence why us ENTps are useful.....:)

[Joy]

By "Alpha caricature" I meant "an SLE from the perspective of Alpha".

[Joy]

Roy Anderson (Dock Worker) Don't know him......

Pam's boyfriend.

[Suomea]

By "Alpha caricature" I meant "an SLE from the perspective of Alpha".

I know...... makes them slightly harder to type.

[Joy]

Dwight Schrute: LIE

I could see that. Again, he's too "rational" and greedy to be an irl LIE, I figured it was an Alpha caricature of LIE's.

No, he's an LSI. Notice the Jim/Dwight supervision.

I just figured it looked like that because Jim's the "cool" one (it is an Alpha show, after all), and Dwight is unhealthy.

But still you should not say that LSI's are greedy and that LIE's could not possibly be that

The "greedy" observation was a point for LIE, not against it.

Jim Halpert: ILE
Pam Beesly: she seems EII when she's dealing with Michael, but a little IEI when she's dealing with Jim, and I sometimes wonder if she's not SEI

But then why is she so incapable of standing up for herself? It's literally painful to watch.

Pam and Jim are the easiest types to recognize on this show. She is SEI and Jim is definitely ILE. Even SEI's have difficulties standing up for themselves at times. But Pam has been under the yolk of Roy for so long that she is scared to break away from the certainty that he represents. She does begin to stand up for herself though towards the end of Season 3, but that is because she now has to stand alone.

God I hope I'm not forced to sit through that much of the show. Regardless... No spoilers!

Do you think Pam is a "typical" SEI? I ask because if so, it may help me to recognize them.

Ryan Howard: LII for sure

Really? Granted I'm only on episode 5 or 6 or so, but this seems extremely unlikely thus far. His mannerisms and behavior so far seem totally in line with LII to me.

While some people say this, I find it doubtful. As we see in later episodes, his greater concern is improving "what works" in Dunder Mifflin and increasing the efficiency of the business, and he possesses an ambition for an MBA so that he can own his business. That is not to say that LII's cannot, but comparing Ryan with Jim shows that they do not seem to have the same Quadra values.

Wouldn't know.

Roy Anderson: generic ST

Perhaps.

Generic ST is a good way of putting it. But it would perhaps best be to examine the nature of the relationship the "generic ST" has with SEI Pam.

Not having typed her yet, I couldn't do that. Also, I figure Michael represents the shows version of an SLE, and he's much different than Roy.

But if we're going to take the show's characters as being "Alpha caricatures", I'd say Delta ST is more likely as so far he seems to be boring and totally lacking and unappreciative of Fe.

Kevin Malone: I don't know. Some sort of introvert?

Really? I don't have much of an opinion at this point, but ILI had crossed my mind.

I said ISTp in part due to the sort of friendship he had with Jim, whom he tends to get along well with.

Wouldn't know about that yet, either.

[Logos]

The "greedy" observation was a point for LIE, not against it.

I do not even believe that about LIEs.

Well this is overall something of a conundrum created by your limited understanding of the show and my limited understanding of Socionics, or at least to the extent that I realize that I may be reading what I want to out of the characters' types.

[jessica129]

Best show on tv.

[xyz]

Best show on tv.

Yeah. Steve Carrel is a fucking genius. So is everyone else on that show. I genuwinely hate ryan

[Joy]

The "greedy" observation was a point for LIE, not against it.

I do not even believe that about LIEs.

I don't think most LIE's are greedy, either. I do think it's a bad stereotype of them though. (Sometimes caring about profit is seen as greed.) And I think that if Alpha has two bad stereotypes about Gamma, it's that we're cold and greedy.

Well this is overall something of a conundrum created by your limited understanding of the show and my limited understanding of Socionics, or at least to the extent that I realize that I may be reading what I want to out of the characters' types.

Well, I don't think Dwight is a good representation of a LIE by any stretch of the imagination... I was just thinking about what he's supposed to be, or whatever.

And we agreed about more characters on this show than we have on any other, I think.