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    Would an ESTP with a Ti subtype experience duality with an INFP, Ni subtype or an ENFJ? (assuming INFP/Fe subtype is ideal)

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    Would an ESTP with a Ti subtype experience duality with an INFP, Ni subtype or an ENFJ? (assuming INFP/Fe subtype is ideal)
    Well I'm an ESTp with a Logical subtype, so I'll answer.

    From what I've heard, someone of that type would be better off with an INFp with an ethical subtype. And yes, they'd still be well off with an INFp with an intuitive subtype, but the relationship would be a little different. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Anyways, the relation between an ESTp and an ENFj is called "relations of activity," which is not the same thing as duality. Here's a quick overview of Activity relations, if you're interested. http://www.socionics.com/rel/act.htm
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    Default Subtypes in INFp-ESTp duality: SLE-Ti and IEI-Ni

    As an SLE-Ti, how am I supposed to get along with an Ni-subtype IEI ? Most people seem to agree that logical subtypes go better with ethical subtypes, and sensory type with inuitive...I hope that's not true...any real-life experience?

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    My advice: Don't pre-destine any potential relations with Ni subtypes to failure by fearing they aren't ideal.
    Duality isn't even necessarily an ultimate relationship; so don't sweat it!
    Theoretically, I suppose Ti + Fe subtype would fit better. But sometimes things that don't fit perfectly are more perfect...
    In the end Socionics type is insignificant compared to other factors for compatibility.
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    yeah intertype relations are so hazy to begin with that going into subtypes is pointless. theoretically matching subtypes are better but that's in a different place than the real world. i guess it couldn't hurt to listen to some anecdotes if that's what you want but take them for what they are.

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    I have seen multiple theories of subtype compatibility, when taken en masses they seem to suggest that their are distinct benefits to either subtype of dual.
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    overall I would say the unfiltered receptivity in Se-subs is often counteracted by their sporadic excess... whereas in Ti-subs the channel may not be as immediately open, but once the feedback loop is sealed, it's extremely efficient. I don't think there's a direct parallel between rational and irrational subtype compatibility, and find it hard to differentiate between my own duals', as I've found things like gender, e-type/variant and DCNH to be statistically related.
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    I'm not one to discard a relationship because of some psychological theory..still, i'm curious as I found the descriptions of duality to be pretty damn accurate in my life. And honestly, knowing that a relationship has a good chance of working is like a fuel for me to actively pursue that relationship, it fits my Ti model which motivates my Se, I guess..


    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    overall I would say the unfiltered receptivity in Se-subs is often counteracted by their sporadic excess... whereas in Ti-subs the channel may not be as immediately open, but once the feedback loop is sealed, it's extremely efficient. I don't think there's a direct parallel between rational and irrational subtype compatibility, and find it hard to differentiate between my own duals', as I've found things like gender, e-type/variant and DCNH to be statistically related.
    What do you mean by receptivity?

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    The subtype effect is light, but in general I find that my interaction with Pe-EPs, who likewise share a higher dose of irrationality, proceeds more smoothly than with Ji-EPs. It's like we polarize each other to draw out creative functions exactly when they are needed, while with Ji-EPs the cycles oscillates slightly out of phase and causes some strain. This has a stronger effect in mirage relations than in dual relations, ime.

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    ...I hope that's not true...
    why does this being true or not matter to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pericles View Post
    As an SLE-Ti, how am I supposed to get along with an Ni-subtype IEI ? Most people seem to agree that logical subtypes go better with ethical subtypes, and sensory type with inuitive...I hope that's not true...any real-life experience?
    What the hell is wrong with you, man? Are you seriously saying you even pay attention to such petty details as sub-fucking-types in real life everyday relationships? :S Jesus... Duality isn't everything, you know! I'm dating my beneficiary and I'm much happier with him than with any of the duals I've dated before, because even if we match only briefly in socionics, we have mutual interests and he is good to me. If you like someone, please do not let subtypes ruin it!

    Jesus man... Get a grip! I'm happy socionics isn't everything – I'd die of all the fucks in my head if all my duals were like this.
    "Use every ounce of potential you have, raise revolution against what people expect of you, and tell the world this is not a rehearsal. This is the real me. And listen up, ‘cause it could be the most honest incarnation yet."

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    why does this being true or not matter to you?
    Because my experience with IEI-Fe types has been so great (as compared to any other type) that I do know that that's what I'm exactly looking for in a relationhip.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aivonaima View Post
    What the hell is wrong with you, man? Are you seriously saying you even pay attention to such petty details as sub-fucking-types in real life everyday relationships? :S Jesus... Duality isn't everything, you know! I'm dating my beneficiary and I'm much happier with him than with any of the duals I've dated before, because even if we match only briefly in socionics, we have mutual interests and he is good to me. If you like someone, please do not let subtypes ruin it!

    Jesus man... Get a grip! I'm happy socionics isn't everything – I'd die of all the fucks in my head if all my duals were like this.
    All my duals have been awesome, I guess you are the exception that proves the rule :--)

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    @pericles... you the same pericles I know from personality cafe? if so, welcome! Good to have another SLE-Ti around here.

    Personally I find IEI-Fe's to be a freaking blast too. They love to party, in fact they're the ones inviting me to the parties, introducing all of their friends to me and getting me well acquainted with everyone so I fit right in. IEI-Ni's are fun in their own way. They seem to have this homebody "sit by the fire and cuddle" kind of vibe to them. But they're sorta quiet and artistic, incredibly hard to find in my experience. They have a much more imaginative and fanciful existence and put up a good chase, like reliving "great expectations" or something. Incredibly dramatic. I'd say most of the IEI-Ni's I've personally met were 4's, while the IEI-Fe's were 2's.

    IEI-Fe's, fun, tons of energy, out partying and incorporating me into the party (which I have difficulty doing myself), spice up my life, energize me and I become socially indestructible.

    IEI-Ni's. Dramatic, fanciful, terrifying and challenging to chase, satisfy a very deep and piercing craving for emotional depth.

    though as far as "great expectations" goes, I think gwenyth paltrow is SEI or something. So I could be mixing IEI-Ni up with whatever tha fuk type she is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pericles View Post
    As an SLE-Ti, how am I supposed to get along with an Ni-subtype IEI ? Most people seem to agree that logical subtypes go better with ethical subtypes, and sensory type with inuitive...I hope that's not true...any real-life experience?
    SLE is a willful person who has leadership qualities that IEI likes and in turn needs the IEI to see what outcomes will come out of certain things, sort of guiding the SLE's actions. SLE, with their Fi polr and weak sense of what certain people are for, will use people. A good example is the thread DJ opened, talking about the business transaction with his friend, he wanted to use his friend to venture in a business organization/plan, but the IEI would have dealt with that polr by saying that that's really not how you treat a friend, in an indirect way. So the IEI helps the dual to not use people as objects but rather help them figure out what will come about by their decisions/actions. This helps SLE have and keep their friends and other relations around. Instead, I would just blame the SLE for being careless and mean. I wouldn't take their PoLR lightly.


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    @pericles... you the same pericles I know from personality cafe? if so, welcome! Good to have another SLE-Ti around here.
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    Ni follows an object around, kind of like watching something in motion and picks up on certain patterns, where Se will pick up on the state of that object (color of hair etc); well what Ni does is in following the object around they can estimate what the object does and with this they tell the Se what the object is doing and is likely to do. Se/Ni work together in this way on concrete and realistic objects/people and things.

    While I am busy thinking about Fi stuff, Ni is tracking me around, trying to figure out what I do; in this way, they are faster much faster at shooting for objectives of conquer and win, competitiveness characteristic of Beta. Everyone dies. Why hurry? That's Alpha Delta mentality. But, since you're alive you compete and try to win, that's Se/Ni of Beta and Gamma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    @pericles... you the same pericles I know from personality cafe? if so, welcome! Good to have another SLE-Ti around here.

    Personally I find IEI-Fe's to be a freaking blast too. They love to party, in fact they're the ones inviting me to the parties, introducing all of their friends to me and getting me well acquainted with everyone so I fit right in. IEI-Ni's are fun in their own way. They seem to have this homebody "sit by the fire and cuddle" kind of vibe to them. But they're sorta quiet and artistic, incredibly hard to find in my experience. They have a much more imaginative and fanciful existence and put up a good chase, like reliving "great expectations" or something. Incredibly dramatic. I'd say most of the IEI-Ni's I've personally met were 4's, while the IEI-Fe's were 2's.

    IEI-Fe's, fun, tons of energy, out partying and incorporating me into the party (which I have difficulty doing myself), spice up my life, energize me and I become socially indestructible.

    IEI-Ni's. Dramatic, fanciful, terrifying and challenging to chase, satisfy a very deep and piercing craving for emotional depth.

    though as far as "great expectations" goes, I think gwenyth paltrow is SEI or something. So I could be mixing IEI-Ni up with whatever tha fuk type she is.

    Are you sure the IEI-Fes that you're describing are IEIs? Fe creative always takes a more laidback form, ime as an IEI-Fe (im pretty certain),it takes the form of noticing subtle or overt nuances in the emotional atmosphere and responding/ or influencing the atmosphere accordingly. Acting all prosocial and actively getting people to join in is more of a Fe-base or atleast extrovert thing...

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    hmm, well right, base Fe is kinda like, "Yo get your ass over here and join us!" while creative is more like, "psst... come on over here... its warm"
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    Quote Originally Posted by pericles View Post
    As an SLE-Ti, how am I supposed to get along with an Ni-subtype IEI ? Most people seem to agree that logical subtypes go better with ethical subtypes, and sensory type with inuitive...I hope that's not true...any real-life experience?
    Judging or Perceiving subtypes get along better in any kind of Socionics relationship
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    SLE is a willful person who has leadership qualities that IEI likes and in turn needs the IEI to see what outcomes will come out of certain things, sort of guiding the SLE's actions. SLE, with their Fi polr and weak sense of what certain people are for, will use people. A good example is the thread DJ opened, talking about the business transaction with his friend, he wanted to use his friend to venture in a business organization/plan, but the IEI would have dealt with that polr by saying that that's really not how you treat a friend, in an indirect way. So the IEI helps the dual to not use people as objects but rather help them figure out what will come about by their decisions/actions. This helps SLE have and keep their friends and other relations around. Instead, I would just blame the SLE for being careless and mean. I wouldn't take their PoLR lightly.




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    If you've seen this happen IRL, you must be blessed with enlightened vision . I haven't seen a whole bunch of scenarios, true, but from what I have IEI mostly helps the SLE feel less of a dick. Has a soothing effect. So much fun, laughs, I'm so Se-energized, lawl. My ex was IEI and she was thrilled by my SLE father's eradication methods. She liked his aggression, whether it was justified by purpose or not. He's toned down a bit lately, that's true as well. But all in all I'm more critical of Sle than IEI. Still ... not for Fi reasons.

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