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    Default Francisco Franco



    "Our regime is based on bayonets and blood, not on hypocritical elections."
    Francisco Franco Bahamonde

    What was his type?
    I get gamma vibes from him, so is INTP possible, or ISFJ maybe?

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    i get gamma vibes, too.

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    ESTp, pretty obvious.
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    I knew a guy from Kurdistan that looks like that. He was very militantly political.
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    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

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    Check out the priest with the hitler salute:

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    How about these possibilities:

    ISTP

    ENFP

    ENFJ

    ISTJ

    ESFP
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    not ESFp, at least i don't think.
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    Some videos

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ury2tN6P5T4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtAm0UepX8s


    I'm not sure, either from his life or from VI.

    ESTp or ISTj.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    How about these possibilities:

    ISTP

    ENFP

    ENFJ

    ISTJ

    ESFP
    Well, socionics theory says Beta and Delta are the autocratic quadras...
    Or is it just VI again?

    In this picture he looks much like my (late) ISTP grandma:



    His "definitive" biography by Paul Preston sheds light on his world view:


    "Despite fierce discipline in other matters, no limits were put by Millin
    Astray or by Franco on the atrocities which were committed against the Moorish
    villages which they attacked. The decapitation of prisoners and the exhibition of
    severed heads as trophies was not uncommon. The Duquesa de la Victoria, a
    philanthropist who organized a team of volunteer nurses, would receive in 1922
    a tribute from the Legion. She was given a basket of roses in the center of which
    lay two severed Moorish heads.[84] When the Dictator General Prime de Rivera
    visited Morocco in 1926, he was appalled to find one battalion of the Legion
    awaiting inspection with heads stuck on their bayonets.[85] Indeed, Franco and
    other officers came to feel a fierce pride in the brutal violence of their men,
    reveling in their grim reputation. That notoriety was itself a useful weapon in
    keeping down the colonial population and its efficacy taught Franco much about
    the exemplary function of terror. In his Diario de zona bandera, he adopted a
    tone of benevolent paternalism about the savage antics of his men. In Africa, as
    later in the Peninsula during the Civil War, he condoned the killing and
    mutilation of prisoners."{29}



    Even the Catholic Basques were not spared by Franco:

    "With the Nationalist forces inexorably marching westwards, the Basques finally
    agreed to surrender to the Italians at Santona to the east of Santander on 26
    August, 1948. In accordance with the agreement made, Basque political
    personalities embarked on two British ships, the SS Seven Seas Spray and the
    SS Bobie, under Italian protection. On 27 August, with Nationalist warships
    blockading the port, on Franco's orders, Divila told the Italians to disembark the
    refugees, which they refused to do, although they advised the Basques to go
    ashore. The prisoners were held by the Italians for four days but, on 31 August,
    Franco ordered Bastico to hand them over. He hesitated and only after
    assurances from Barroso that the surrender conditions would be respected did
    he relinquish the captives on 4 September. Summary trials began at once and
    hundreds of death sentences were passed. The Italians were appalled by
    Franco's duplicity and cruelty. Bastico sent Roatta to Salamanca to plead with
    Franco to stop the executions and allow the Basque leaders to leave the country.
    Roatta reminded the Caudillo that the Basques had surrendered after being
    offered such terms and pointed out that Italian honour was at stake. The
    Generalisimo simply ignored his arguments."{285}
    http://www.mcn.org/e/iii/franco.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Some videos

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ury2tN6P5T4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtAm0UepX8s


    I'm not sure, either from his life or from VI.

    ESTp or ISTj.
    I have some doubts about SLE, because he seems a bit too calm and dispassionate and not physically dynamic enough. Perhaps LSI? Anyone know about his relationship with Hitler, out of curiosity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Anyone know about his relationship with Hitler, out of curiosity?


    Well, this incident is often cited:

    World War II
    England, France, and the United States recognized Franco's Goverment in 1939. Subsequently, Franco joined Germany, Italy, and Japan in an anti-Comintern Pact. When World War II was launched by the Germans, Spain declared neutrality. After the fall of France in 1940, Franco declared non-beligerant status. Franco was, however, one of the few European leaders at the time to defy Hitler. Franco refused to allow German forces to seize Gibralter. Hitler was furious, understandably as it was German aid that made Franco's victory possible. German inteligence chief Admiral Canaris who was apauled at what Hitler was doing in Poland was sent to Franco to arrange for passage of German troops. Canaris was on close terms with Franco, having worked with him during the Civil War and actually convinced him to refuse Hitler. (Explaining that the Wehrmacht was preparing and attack on Russia and could not be diverted by an attack on Spain.) Hitler took the unpresidented step of traveling to Spain to personally persuade Franco to join the War. Franco was unconvinced. Afterwards Hitler was to say it was one of the most painful experiences of his life, he would prefer to have had a tooth pulled. While Franco did not officially joint Hitler in the attack on the Soviet Union in 1941, he did contribute one division of "volunteers"--the Blue Division. Subsequently when the War began to go against the Germans, Franco returned to a neutral policy.

    http://histclo.com/youth/youth/org/nat/spa/natsp.htm

    Having quoted that statement, I do not think Franco and Hitler had a personal relationship, where the intertype relations would have truly come to play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    Well, socionics theory says Beta and Delta are the autocratic quadras...
    Do you mean Aristocratic?
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    Yes, I thought they were pretty much the same concepts - correct me if I am wrong. Anyway there are many different theories in socionics that do not always seem to be fully compatible with each other.
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