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    I still can't find any good info on subtypes. Links would be helpful here.

    Okay, let's say that I've determined that I'm an ESTp with a Sensory subtype. There's two INFp's standing in front of me, and one has an Intuitive subtype and one has an Ethical one. Disregarding other factors, which one would I get along with better? Hmm?
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    Intuitive subtype, because it goes along with your sensory subtype.

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    Here's info on subtypes for each type:

    Don Quixote (ENTP)
    Finder is terminal (intuitive)
    (developing - from the Eng. inventor)

    It differs in terms of excellent scent to the new. He frequently becomes the author of many inventions and discoveries. Unsurpassed generator of ideas. In its proposals it is very daring. However, easily throws the bored matter and is thrown to new - more captivating. It is capable to appear itself, also, in the business. For it are characteristic the dynamics, a rapid speech, a large quantity of gestures. In it frequently the dense build, courageous appearance, whiskers, if the discussion deals with the man. Great significance is attached to exterior view.

    Finder is initial (logical)
    (extracting - from the Eng. extractor)

    Self-centered and pensive person. It draw the ideas, which do not have direct connection with the reality, for example philosophy, religion, bioenergetics and t, d. its favorite occupation - to compare between themselves different logical systems. Type of office scientist. Asthenic figure is characteristic for it. It is angular in the motions, is not turned attention to the exterior view, little it worries about the health.

    Dumases (ISFP)
    Mediator is initial (ethical)
    (being associated - from the Eng. communicator)

    Is intensified the ethics of emotions - emotional and sociable, easily it enters into any company, it appears ekstravertnym. It loves the convenient spacious clothing, to which not very prityazatelen, - it can walk, also, in the shabby form. Artistichen, frequently performs the role of zavodily. Itself in the amateur artistic activity finds, it can be musician, actor, advertising agent.

    Mediator is terminal (sensory)
    (selecting - from the Eng. selector)

    It possesses a good aesthetical taste, this can be manifested in the clothing, in the formulation of interior, and in the occupations by applied skill. Frequently this artist- landscapists, they love to depict still life. This is the judge of welfare, comfort for it is very important. It sibarit, it follows its exterior view. Hedonist, loves to provide pleasure both to himself and by others. It is outwardly more well-fed, than the initial subtype of mediator.



    Hugo (ESFJ)
    Enthusiast is terminal (ethical)
    (greeting - from the Eng. acclaimer)

    It is very expressive, it is to difficult maintain its emotional pressure. It possesses high fitness for work; however, the accretion of feelings prevents it from being design. It is strongly it is scattered it jumps from one matter to another. In the contact is straight-line, neposredstven, it is characterized by explosive choleric temperament. Outwardly - the desire to draw the attention of the representative of opposite floor by the bright clothing, in which can be present the element of demonstrativeness.

    Enthusiast is initial (sensory)
    (Obustraivayushchiy - from the Eng. entertainer)

    Aesthete, loves and to himself, and to those surrounding to provide pleasure, to give gifts. A good owner in the house - knows how to be arranged even with the minimum of conveniences. Man of business, can be lucky manager in the sphere of leisure and entertainments. Women of this type bind well, sew, know how to be charming, possess a good taste in color matching clothing. Behavior nedemonstrativno. It very badly transfers pain and unimportant health.



    Robesp'er (INTJ)
    Analyst is initial (intuitive)
    (planning - from the Eng. conceptor)

    Analyst - good scientist -konqeptualist, primary attention gives to the global issues, the generator of ideas. For it are more important promising achievements than the result of the current moment. It is held it is softly, correctly, careful in the contacts. Outwardly frequently astenichen, more than attention gives to the exterior view, the health.

    Analyst is terminal (logical)
    (systematizing - from the Eng. systemizer)

    Is concrete and regulated, organizer in the science, he does not entrust to the too removed ideas. Scholar, but only in its narrow region. In the behavior - it is dry, restrained, it can be authoritarian. It does not love discussions and frictions in the association, it is held on the distant psychological distance. Strict adherent of reasonable systems. It bears a strict clothing, it is attempted to be in grow prettier to physical form.



    Hamlet (ENFJ)
    Teacher is terminal (ethical)
    (inspirer - from the Eng. inspirator)

    Emotionally excited, sharp. The incandescence of feelings demonstrates, is decisive artistichen. It easily yields to exaltation, is characterized by aristocratic manners. Frequently these are a good speaker, political leader with the patriotic incline. Is internally dramatic spontanen, it loves itself to demonstrate. Outwardly it can shock those surrounding by extremes in the clothing - bomzh with the soiled sleeves. It can, on the contrary, dress by thrust, vividly or izyskanno-aristokraticheski.

    Teacher is initial (intuitive)
    (warning - against Eng. Warner)

    It is predisposed to the reflection, the internal fluctuations and the doubts. It thinks descriptively, it is inclined to the philosophy. It is not very critical to the exterior view, it is not exacting to the food. Reserved, ranimyy, is cracked, speaks out nenavyazchivo, it is required and punctual. It - a good educator teacher, can entice its listeners. It is calm outwardly, it is sequential in the account of material.



    Gor'kiy (ISTJ)
    Inspector is initial (sensory)
    (requiring - of the Eng. demander)

    It is irregular and impulsive, does not always follow itself that order, which it requires from others, in this case it is capable to condemn those, who disrupt this order. It is communicable and courteous on the distant distance, but on the close one it can prove to be intolerant. Yesli' it to catch, can answer by aggression. The aim is leadership, but he leads better the small associations. It outwardly appears with fortitude. Men frequently bear whiskers, in the clothing they prefer free style.

    Inspector is terminal (logical)
    (controlling - from the Eng. controller)

    Most rational logical type. It is very constructive, the aim is hierarchy, it can all surrounding "zaorganizovat'", itself works thoroughly, is led to the end everything, it misses not one detail. Malodinamichen, does not transfer confusion. Outwardly strict, sustained, somewhat single-plot. It is official in the working situation even with the close relatives, it occurs, that in it is manifested the barrack style of behavior. In the clothing also conservative. Its suit, as a rule, is strict, dark tones, it resembles form.



    Zhukov (ESTP)
    Marshal is terminal (sensory)
    (Napadayushchiy - from the Eng. forward)

    Sharp, demonstrative, attacking style of behavior. It is expressive, expansive to the aggressiveness. It oshchushchayet well itself in the emergency and emergencies, sharply it is included in conflicts, it can press in order to rapidly introduce order. If it occurs not in the matters, it can provoke conflict in order to then take initiative in its hands. Emotional and sociable, will go around by the attention not of one person of opposite floor. Women also display initiative in the acquaintances with the men, it is sinewy, mobile, frequently thin, has well developed taste, epicure. In the mode it approaches refinement and prestige.

    Marshal is initial (logical)
    (moving - from the Eng. promotor)

    Itself it prefers to remain in the shadow, not to demonstrate its aspirations, but it constantly holds hand on the pulse of proceeding all around. It outwardly appears balanced and phlegmatic. Before the fact, that as to act, checks all versions of possible consequences and only then it enters into the game. Is distrustful and careful, skeptic, conservative and realist. Because of the small sociability is produced the impression of introverta. If it outlined to itself victim, it acts slowly, by the method of the "compressive ring".



    Esenin (INFP)
    Lyric poetries initial (ethical)
    (charming - from the Eng. fascinator)

    It flatters and charms, obayatelen and is communicable. If he sees, which around it negative emotions, will try to make then so that the people would calm down. It will mobilize well in the dangerous situations, it loves to be in the center of attention, can prilyudno suffer and dramatize proceeding, it possesses a feeling of humor. It easily manipulates by intonation, voice, it can realize well itself in the field of journalism of --- he easily is succeeded in, telling "collocutor. Outwardly it can appear extravagant, frequently take the form bogemnyy, bright.

    Lyric poetries terminal (intuitive)
    (questioning - from the Eng. questor)

    The characteristically interrogative expression of face, the form is calm, is dreamy, contemplative. It is frequently passive in its line of behavior. Romantic on the spirit, lives in the world of illusions, he attempts to leave from the negative emotions. It is optimistic, as a rule, departs from the conflict situations, the supporter of compromises. It is restrained in the clothing, it is elegant and refined, it can fulfill the functions of abstractor with the "solid hand", be occupied by psychology and psychotherapy.



    Jack London (ENTJ)
    Owner is terminal (logical)
    (accelerating - from the Eng. accelerater)

    Most dynamic of all psycho-types, pioneer in his region of activity, searches for the supporters, with whom it is possible to together realize its or general ideas. It is very emotional and impulsive; therefore it can be inconsistent in the matters. It is trusting, because of its carelessness it can fall into the different histories, it seems spontaneous. It can well appear itself into the free of market activity, if it loses - it does not lose the presence of spirit and optimism, it again goes forward. Little attention it gives to the exterior view and the health, it is outwardly thin, very mobile, it sometimes bears beard and whiskers, it occurs, which conducts the disorderly means of life.

    Owner is initial (intuitive)
    (researcher - from the Eng. explorer)

    Calm and balanced, conducts the regulated means of life, feels well prospect. Quietly he selects, what idea it is better to neglect into the matter, will always find the most optimum and advantageous output, which will give the greatest return. This frequently - scientist- naturalist, experimenter, the matter gives to mind and hands simultaneously. It can be occupied by chemistry, and by painting, in this case he tries to bring everything to the end. Excellent igrotekhnik, experimenter. It will get along well with the children, it easily carries along by their interesting matter. Outwardly - that restrained, denser constitution than terminal, tries to dress well and follows its health.



    Dreiser (ISFJ)
    Keeper is initial (sensory)
    (supporting - from the Eng. maintainer)

    It is characterized by expansion in the narrow to circle, even it can aggressive, if they do not agree with it. These are - people of debt, active and hardy. In the conflict situations never first they go to the reconciliation. They can lead the associations of average value, are maintained discipline and order, they apply sanctions to those misbehaving. Frequently it is very rectilinear, they demonstrate their relation by the burning view. Business and have purposed, they gravitate towards to the administrative activity. They can give rebuff and to marshal, if that creates mafioznuyu structure, since the sprouts of this activity easily will recognize. Prefers the prestige style of clothing, sometimes the bright, but nonexciting tones.

    Keeper is terminal (ethical)
    (moralist - from the Eng. moralist)

    Thin, sensitive nature, well examines people reliable friend, it is capable to compromise. By softness and by the ease of contact it sometimes resembles mediator. This subtype is more frequent a good executor than the organizer: to him it is important, as it includes others, their opinion about it. Very well it associates with the small children, it is sensitive, thoughtful and attentive. It can also realize itself in the applied skill and the cultural activity. It is outwardly modest, little it follows the mode, prefers freer style.



    Napoleon (ESFP)
    Politician is terminal (sensory)
    (supplying - from the Eng. provider)

    Very active, energetic, enterprising. In it always, that is called, the "nose downwind". It is inclined to the adventures, to the games on the difference of prices, to risk, to game with the law. If is defeated, easily it departs, "after substituting" less flexible partners. This is one of the most unpredictable types, it easily works in the torgovo- intermediary structures, but not in the production. A sharp drop in the mood is characteristic for it: if to me it is good, then all must be good, if to me it is bad, then rest let suffer. It converges with the people on the short distances, it can arrange powerful emotional pressing. Good executive, the worker of service, for example waiter; actor - but only easy genres (comedy, operetta). It easily manipulates by the relations: it draws near, people are moved away. It is emotionally unstable; therefore it is frequently unsociable (it can provoke to something and in the case of failure - rapidly to leave into the shadow).

    Politician is initial (ethical)
    (founder - from the Eng. founder)

    Counts on people of influential and reliable, gradually it converges with them, if they are useful. It possesses specific snobbery, status of impressiveness. In it must be increasingly better - office, machine, dacha... A good worker, can govern people, relations, calculates well, pragmatician. He is not inclined to the adventures, a good politician, since he wonderfully feels people and draws necessary. Plays the role of thoughtful person, who works above the key problem. It dresses more with restraint than terminal subtype.



    Balzac (INTP)
    Criticisms initial (logical)
    (utilizing - from the Eng. utilisator)

    It is practical and it is operational, razvorotliv, it departs from the any useless activity. He tries from in all to extract benefit, it does not allow industrial wastes - everything must be reasonably used. Loves companies, friends, a good table. A feeling of humor is well developed, it knows how to get along with those surrounding. It is outwardly elegant, sociable; however, it is a little weakened.

    Criticisms terminal (intuitive)
    (contradicting - from the Eng. contradictor)

    Asketichen, is grumbling, it loves to emphasize deficiencies, searches for opponent. It criticizes sometimes with the dose of biliousness. It frequently has astenichnuyu figure, complexities in the contact are experienced. It can well provoke situation, including commercial. It possesses large erudition and memory, frequently it gets stuck in the details. This - scientist- theorists, who make the fundamental developments, which well feel also social-economic tendencies. Using analogies, frequently they can predict, to what side the going process will be turned. Outwardly it is slovenly and negligent, little it follows its health.



    Shtirlits (ESTJ)
    Administrator is terminal (logical)
    (generating - from the Eng. producer)

    It is attempted in its hands to combine entire cycle of production. A good worker, does not suffer incompetence, itself is well educated in its region. It is very operational, sometimes it works on the wear, it considers that only in this case it can require the same, also, from others. It can be sharp in the judgments, it usually formulates task very clearly. In the sphere of production it attains the responsibility of product, it loves to admire by that made, the advantage of its goods emphasizes. It can well realize itself under the conditions of stable market - in the field of transportation, in the army. In the clothing conservative, the main thing for it - cleanliness, order and functionality.

    Administrator is initial (sensory)
    (connecting - from the Eng. linker)

    Feels well the intermediate the fields of production - trade, management. It is more flattened than initial type, is very sociable, emotional, kontakten. Frequently gostepriimen, loves comfort and cosiness, leisure on nature. Easily it manages the responsibilities of technical director, manager.



    Dostoyevsky (INFJ)
    Humanist is initial (intuitive)
    (reconciling - from the Eng. conciliator)

    It feels well people, immediately sees, who to it approaches on the views, but who no. It loves to be in the narrow to the circle of friends and adherents, to discuss with them the novelties of literature, skill, humanities. It is frequently acted unsure of itself, it occurs and it is scattered. The aim is humanitarian activity, but it can work in the region of service. It realizes well itself both in medicine and in pedagogy. It knows how to reconcile those disputing, to smooth out sharp situations. It knows how to create pleasant situation, comfort in the house. It dresses with the taste, frequently it follows the mode.

    Humanist is terminal (ethical)
    (confessor - from the Eng. confessor)

    Confessor, is sincerely religious or adheres to any ethical system, nenavyazchiv and it is restrained, it is asketichen, it is strict to himself and by others for the disturbance of moral standards. Neinitsiativen. It is little interested in the fact that it is not connected with its persuasions. In the work it is sluggish and scrupulous. With it it is possible to have a talk, to pour soul, to obtain simple, but efficient council. Appearance - samouglublennost', asceticism; the internal stressed life is examined in the extrinsic ethos.



    Huxley (ENFP)
    Adviser is terminal (intuitive)
    (reporting - from the Eng. reporter)

    Very sociable, spirited, mobile person. The initiator of many matters; however, is characterized by large restlessness and changeability. Man very creative, but is scattered and not disciplined. It is capable to splash out its dissatisfaction, also, to the authorities, it is not considered the subordination. Outwardly - it more frequently has complete rounded forms. In the clothing it can be demonstrative, bright sometimes even loud.

    Adviser is initial (ethical)
    (adviser - from the Eng. adviser)

    It sees in the people the concealed gravities and attachments, prefers to work on the short psychological distance (in contrast to the terminal). It loves to give advice, it gravitates towards to the psychoanalysis, in this case counts on manifestation in the people of their positive qualities. It can postoyat' for others, defending their interests, for itself to postoyat' difficultly. Is outwardly more frequently thin izyashchen. In the clothing prefers the free cut, soft tones.



    Gaben (ISTP)
    Master is initial (logical)
    (developing - from the Eng. devdoper)

    Outwardly business, a little severe, cold and as if unapproachable. Realist and skeptic, is distrustful to the novelty, to those, who advances the ideas of declarative character. Will always leave from the useless matters, hundred per-cent pragmatician. It is very dynamic and technologically effective, it can extract the maximum of benefit even from, it would seem, entirely narrower than unnecessary. Its production always foremost, will maintain any competition on the market. In the clothing it is restrained, conservative, prefers sport, technological style.

    Master is terminal (sensory)
    (finisher - from the Eng. concluder)

    Aesthete, disposed to obtaining of pleasant sensations. Kontakten also of bendings is considerably more than initial subtype. Is more optimistic, but is less operational. Sibarit epicure. It gravitates towards to humanitarian disciplines - skill, linguistics, history. It dresses with the taste, emphasizing merits by clothing, selecting accordion it is color.

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    Do you prefer one over the other?

    My sister and are both ethical subtypes (INFP/INFJ) and we prefer the sensory subtypes. We get along great with them, but the logical types bore us and make us feel uneasy.

    I was looking over the subtype descriptions and the overall vibe of the sensory subtype goes better with the ethical subtype. They both even move fairly quickly unlike the logical/intuitive subtypes that have slower movements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo
    Here's info on subtypes for each type:

    Don Quixote (ENTP)
    Finder is terminal (intuitive)
    (developing - from the Eng. inventor)

    It differs in terms of excellent scent to the new. He frequently becomes the author of many inventions and discoveries. Unsurpassed generator of ideas. In its proposals it is very daring. However, easily throws the bored matter and is thrown to new - more captivating. It is capable to appear itself, also, in the business. For it are characteristic the dynamics, a rapid speech, a large quantity of gestures. In it frequently the dense build, courageous appearance, whiskers, if the discussion deals with the man. Great significance is attached to exterior view.

    Finder is initial (logical)
    (extracting - from the Eng. extractor)

    Self-centered and pensive person. It draw the ideas, which do not have direct connection with the reality, for example philosophy, religion, bioenergetics and t, d. its favorite occupation - to compare between themselves different logical systems. Type of office scientist. Asthenic figure is characteristic for it. It is angular in the motions, is not turned attention to the exterior view, little it worries about the health.
    Nice . So would that mean that Robin Williams would be the intuative subtype for ENTP and Curt Schilling would be the logical subtype?
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    I have my own theory on it all which i have posted elsewhere on this forum and which i believe smilingeyes quoted but didn't source(i haven't read about this idea elsewhere, although it seems obvious enought to be valid). It seems logical, so im sure others have thought this way as well. I'm no expert but it works for me and i think its just more concise than the above example.

    In this world there are producers, and there are consumers. Analogy: the people that make the video games, and the people that play them.

    Now a "producer" is going to be more developed in the area of their creative function, so a producing INTj will be more "out there" or perhaps even "mystical". where as a consuming INTj, although it may seemingly contradict my above analogy, is going to be more inclined to do studies, work in a lab, etc... (this is just a guess)

    So, if you're spending more of the time and energy you occupy "producing" you will begin to manifest qualities which are related to your creative function. Like a creative ENTp, although extraverted, will be more inclined to have deep inner reflections. They will also probably take more time in ethical matters as well. So a creative sub-type implies more powerful creativity, an accepting, or "consuming" sub-type implies more applied practicality. This corresponds with distance aspects, so it is most definitely valid.

    In intertype theory, as Hugo pretty much said, and I agree with, a creative subtype will more likely be better suited with a dual that has a creative subtype. The "life rhythms" are adapted better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waddlesworth
    So, if you're spending more of the time and energy you occupy "producing" you will begin to manifest qualities which are related to your creative function. Like a creative ENTp, although extraverted, will be more inclined to have deep inner reflections. They will also probably take more time in ethical matters as well. So a creative sub-type implies more powerful creativity, an accepting, or "consuming" sub-type implies more applied practicality. This corresponds with distance aspects, so it is most definitely valid.

    In intertype theory, as Hugo pretty much said, and I agree with, a creative subtype will more likely be better suited with a dual that has a creative subtype. The "life rhythms" are adapted better.
    Yeah, the creative subtype sounds like me. I also have a friend who is a creative subtype ISFP. We get along well and these realtionships are VERY good to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monica
    Do you prefer one over the other?

    My sister and are both ethical subtypes (INFP/INFJ) and we prefer the sensory subtypes.
    Oops...that was a mistake. I was thinking of one particular case, but each situation is different...so I would have to agree that sensory goes with intuitive. And I know of several dual couples with this pairing.

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    Waddlesworth:

    I think what you are saying was previously said (in a similar way) on Ganin's website at Socionics.com.

    The following is taken from socionics.com:

    Imagine you are a potter. You need to prepare some clay first and then you can start shaping it up. The dominant and the auxiliary functions work in similar way. The dominant function prepares the "clay" while the auxiliary function shapes it up. So the type of "clay" your dominant function processes, determines the type of your Information Metabolism (IM). ESTJ is the type of IM and it will always have dominant Te. An ESTP will always have dominant Se. The auxiliary function takes the "clay" from the dominant function and makes it into a form. ESTJ will shape Te into Si, ESTP will make Ti out of Se. You can prefer the preparation process, in this case you prefer your dominant function. You can prefer the forming process, in this case you prefer your auxiliary function. You can have no preference for any process, in this case you have the preparation and the forming balanced. So if some ESTJ prefers Sensing over Thinking, he or she prefers the auxiliary function, which is involved in the shaping process. In other words such ESTJ will be quite creative with his or her Si, but this will not change his or her type of IM, which will still be ESTJ. This may however make this ESTJ to adopt some of ISTP's style of behaviour.

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    Oh, thanks everyone. Now I think I might have a Logical subtype now that everything is explained here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo
    Waddlesworth:

    I think what you are saying was previously said (in a similar way) on Ganin's website at Socionics.com.

    The following is taken from socionics.com:

    Imagine you are a potter. You need to prepare some clay first and then you can start shaping it up. The dominant and the auxiliary functions work in similar way. The dominant function prepares the "clay" while the auxiliary function shapes it up. So the type of "clay" your dominant function processes, determines the type of your Information Metabolism (IM). ESTJ is the type of IM and it will always have dominant Te. An ESTP will always have dominant Se. The auxiliary function takes the "clay" from the dominant function and makes it into a form. ESTJ will shape Te into Si, ESTP will make Ti out of Se. You can prefer the preparation process, in this case you prefer your dominant function. You can prefer the forming process, in this case you prefer your auxiliary function. You can have no preference for any process, in this case you have the preparation and the forming balanced. So if some ESTJ prefers Sensing over Thinking, he or she prefers the auxiliary function, which is involved in the shaping process. In other words such ESTJ will be quite creative with his or her Si, but this will not change his or her type of IM, which will still be ESTJ. This may however make this ESTJ to adopt some of ISTP's style of behaviour.
    I never saw that. That's actually an interesting way of seeing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut
    Oh, thanks everyone. Now I think I might have a Logical subtype now that everything is explained here.
    Is it correct that you previously thought that you might be ISTp, not ESTp?

    Could it be that you are an ISTp with a Logical subtype - in such a case the Logical subtype is extraverted since the second function of a ISTP is extraverted thinking. However in an ESTp the second function is introverted thinking, so an ESTp with logical subtype has an introrverted subtype.

    An ISTp with extroverted subtype closely resembles an ESTj. An ESTp with introverted subtype closely resembles an ISTj.

    Perhaps you are ISTp with sensory subtype.

    Please tell me your thoughts.

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    Hmm, I'm pretty sure that I'm an ESTp. I have several reasons:

    First off, after reading about functions and models, I'm almost positive that I'm dominant, not .

    Secondly, after taking Dmitry Lytov's questionaire, I came out as a definate ESTp. When I told him that I thought I was an ISTp, he said that it was interesting that I thought I was an introvert, because the results clearly showed that I was the ESTp. I answered the questions completely truthfully too.

    Also, I got a second person's opinion. I gave my mom an introduction to Socionics, and after she read all of the type descriptions and learned about functions, she said that she has no doubt that I'm ESTp.

    Next, my relations with people make me a likely ESTp. My mom is ISFj (she took the questionaire too), and when I think about it, she's definately my supervisor. My dad is my identical (ESTp), I absolutely supervise my brother (INTj), my best friend is my dual (INFp), I know an ENFj, and she's my relation of activity, no doubt about it. Most of my other friends are either my identicals (ESTp), or my look-alikes (ENTp). And now that I think about it, I'm the benifactor to about half of the girls that I know (ESFj). When I got info on each of the relations, they were remarkably true.

    If I was an ISTp, my relations with these people would be much different.

    Now I look back on when I thought that I was an ISTp, and it seems so out-of-place.

    When I put what I just learned about subtype into this, having a Logical subtype makes sense to me. I think that one of the reasons why I thought that I was introverted was because my subtype is. Now it's all piecing together. YYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
    , Se-sub
    8w8-3w8-7w8 sx/sx

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    Herzblut:

    Which world do you like better: the physical world or the intellectual world?

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    Hmm. I guess I prefer both equally.
    , Se-sub
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut
    Hmm. I guess I prefer both equally.
    Please tell me why you chose the logical subtype over the sensory subtype?

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    I know I'm an INTj, yet these two seem equally like me. Are there some simple questions you can ask to better get at my subtype?

    Laura
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    Robesp'er (INTJ)
    Analyst is initial (intuitive)
    (planning - from the Eng. conceptor)

    Analyst - good scientist -konqeptualist, primary attention gives to the global issues, the generator of ideas. For it are more important promising achievements than the result of the current moment. It is held it is softly, correctly, careful in the contacts. Outwardly frequently astenichen, more than attention gives to the exterior view, the health.

    Analyst is terminal (logical)
    (systematizing - from the Eng. systemizer)

    Is concrete and regulated, organizer in the science, he does not entrust to the too removed ideas. Scholar, but only in its narrow region. In the behavior - it is dry, restrained, it can be authoritarian. It does not love discussions and frictions in the association, it is held on the distant psychological distance. Strict adherent of reasonable systems. It bears a strict clothing, it is attempted to be in grow prettier to physical form.

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    So basically there are 4 subtypes ... sensory, logical, intuitive, and ethical?

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    I need to understand this ... it is still a very new concept for me ...

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    The following is taken from socionics.com:

    Imagine you are a potter. You need to prepare some clay first and then you can start shaping it up. The dominant and the auxiliary functions work in similar way. The dominant function prepares the "clay" while the auxiliary function shapes it up. So the type of "clay" your dominant function processes, determines the type of your Information Metabolism (IM). ESTJ is the type of IM and it will always have dominant Te. An ESTP will always have dominant Se. The auxiliary function takes the "clay" from the dominant function and makes it into a form. ESTJ will shape Te into Si, ESTP will make Ti out of Se. You can prefer the preparation process, in this case you prefer your dominant function. You can prefer the forming process, in this case you prefer your auxiliary function. You can have no preference for any process, in this case you have the preparation and the forming balanced. So if some ESTJ prefers Sensing over Thinking, he or she prefers the auxiliary function, which is involved in the shaping process. In other words such ESTJ will be quite creative with his or her Si, but this will not change his or her type of IM, which will still be ESTJ. This may however make this ESTJ to adopt some of ISTP's style of behaviour.

    There are two subtypes for each type. It depends what your first two functions are.

    So if you are ENTp you could be intuitive subtype (from extraverted intuition) or logical subtype (from introverted intuition). It is possible to be split between the two subtypes as well for any type.

    For ISFp they could be ethical subtype or sensory subtype.

    Also there is perfect duality and imperfect duality. Perfect duality is when the correct subtypes match with each other. So a rational subtype is matched well with a rational subtype and an irrational subtype is matched well with an irrational subtype.

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