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    It seems most of them haven't save up enough for retirement since they assumed their kids would pay for it for them. The thing is, even if I had all the money in the world, I still wouldn't pay for your retirement. That's your job. Retiring is stupid anyways, haven't you seen Spongebob?

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    No such thing over here in the Netherlands, the average baby boomer has a lot of savings, not to mention a very decent pension plan. Those are the two things we Dutch Deltas are especially good in: saving money and making sure we have the best pension system in the world. Too bad many of us did fell for the mortgage trap.
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    Studies have shown that very, very few people are able to consistently save anything for retirement. Humans just aren’t built for that. This is why companies have pension plans and countries have the equivalent of social (did I hear the Republicans call it socialist?) security.

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    Let's not limit stupidity to one generation while I do agree that many baby boomers are idiots. What would you call a person who walked into traffic while texting - enlightened? Half of people below the age of thirty have an IQ below 100, and they may be given weapons - or allowed to vote - or both.........

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    Every time I hear that half the population has IQ’s under 100, it scares the daylights out of me.

    It’s even worse when you consider that most of the ones with IQ’s over 100 don’t know what they are doing.

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    Invest in 401K and other savings early if you can.

    Personally, I'm not sure I'll ever want to fully retire, but I'd like to have enough saved so I can kick about my 70s and 80s working random part time jobs I always wanted to try, assuming my health is good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Weird View Post
    Invest in 401K and other savings early if you can.

    Personally, I'm not sure I'll ever want to fully retire, but I'd like to have enough saved so I can kick about my 70s and 80s working random part time jobs I always wanted to try, assuming my health is good enough.
    You want to explore the intellectual and professional challenges of “Walmart greeter” or “Burger King order taker”?

    The other one that comes to mind is “crazy public library guy”. Every library has at least one; I assume they pay them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    You want to explore the intellectual and professional challenges of “Walmart greeter” or “Burger King order taker”?

    The other one that comes to mind is “crazy public library guy”. Every library has at least one; I assume they pay them.
    I was thinking more along the lines of weirder jobs like maybe I'd try my hand at private investigation or museum tour guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Every time I hear that half the population has IQ’s under 100, it scares the daylights out of me.
    I used to feel like that too, but now that I'm formally a middle aged person, i recognize that this is the way things were meant to be, so nowadays I consider it more of an opportunity than a danger ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Every time I hear that half the population has IQ’s under 100, it scares the daylights out of me.

    It’s even worse when you consider that most of the ones with IQ’s over 100 don’t know what they are doing.
    Do you surround yourself with people you think are below average?


    You know what they say, "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king". Throw on a crown and you are all set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Do you surround yourself with people you think are below average?


    You know what they say, "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king". Throw on a crown and you are all set.
    No, I try to surround myself with the highest quality people I can find. It's hard enough to get through the day without any help, so the better the help I can get, the better the output.

    Two things.

    One, many people believe that if they hire someone smarter than they are, that person will take over. Personality theory disproves that, but a lot of people believe it. That's why A people hire A people and B people hire C people.

    Two, not everyone wants to be king. Some people just want to get something accomplished.

    I'm actually surrounded by people from all quadras, but Gamma is over-represented. It's a natural thing to want to spend more time with people you like and understand, but it's not the best strategy in the long run. People from other quadras can cover bases that you didn't even realize were there. But most of the people I spend time with tend to be smart. It's just better for getting things done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    No, I try to surround myself with the highest quality people I can find. It's hard enough to get through the day without any help, so the better the help I can get, the better the output.

    Two things.

    One, many people believe that if they hire someone smarter than they are, that person will take over. Personality theory disproves that, but lots of people believe it. That's why A people hire A people and B people hire C people.

    Two, not everyone wants to be king. Some people just want to get something accomplished.

    I'm actually surrounded by people from all quadras, but Gamma is over-represented. It's a natural thing to want to spend more time with people you like and understand, but it's not the best strategy in the long run. People from other quadras can cover bases that you didn't even realize were there. But most of the people I spend time with tend to be smart. It's just better for getting things done.
    I was teasing you Adam. I didn't mean for you to take "king" or the rest of my response so literal.

    If I hire someone to do a specific job I obviously want them to be smarter or, at the very least, better at it than me.

    Remember, you were the one who claimed that most with an IQ over 100 didn't know what they were doing. That was why I teased you over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I was teasing you Adam. I didn't mean for you to take "king" or the rest of my response so literal.

    If I hire someone to do a specific job I obviously want them to be smarter or, at the very least, better at it than me.

    Remember, you were the one who claimed that most with an IQ over 100 didn't know what they were doing. That was why I teased you over it.
    OK, @Aylen, sorry to have misunderstood.

    Actually, most people do know what they are doing in certain given areas, no matter their IQ. But people with high IQ's are particularly susceptible to thinking that they could be experts in all areas, and that is far from the case.

    I believed that I could do anything well for a long time, and then I re-tiled my bathtub because, how hard can that be? Well, I found out. It looked perfect for two days, and then the grout discolored and eventually the tiles started falling off the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    OK, @Aylen, sorry to have misunderstood.

    Actually, most people do know what they are doing in certain given areas, no matter their IQ. But people with high IQ's are particularly susceptible to thinking that they could be experts in all areas, and that is far from the case.

    I believed that I could do anything well for a long time, and then I re-tiled my bathtub because, how hard can that be? Well, I found out. It looked perfect for two days, and then the grout discolored and eventually the tiles started falling off the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    OK, @Aylen, sorry to have misunderstood.

    Actually, most people do know what they are doing in certain given areas, no matter their IQ. But people with high IQ's are particularly susceptible to thinking that they could be experts in all areas, and that is far from the case.

    I believed that I could do anything well for a long time, and then I re-tiled my bathtub because, how hard can that be? Well, I found out. It looked perfect for two days, and then the grout discolored and eventually the tiles started falling off the wall.
    To be fair to yourself Adam, you just didn’t have enough experience there.

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    Half the population has an IQ under 100, and all the smart people are stupid too. Oh no, we're all doomed.

    Anyways, plenty of young people are stupid but that's not the real problem. I think the post-WWII generation disproportionately didn't emotionally mature (so no, definitely not all old people) and this is nobody's fault but theirs themselves or it wouldn't be a sort of moral issue (as uncool as that phrase sounds) like it genuinely appears to be. Now everyone who's going to college feels screwed and they just blame it on random "bankers" and "establishment politicians" instead of realizing it's really just the older generation as a group and if they'd grow up more than their parents ever did they'd take power and their parents would be in a home with no money and no healthcare suffering from diseases they wouldn't pay to cover and watching the world turn into an unrecognizable sci-fi world that terrifies them under the influence of their own offspring who didn't stick around to be their slaves in their old age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Studies have shown that very, very few people are able to consistently save anything for retirement. Humans just aren’t built for that. This is why companies have pension plans and countries have the equivalent of social (did I hear the Republicans call it socialist?) security.
    Or, you know, a functioning family structure where people take care of each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Or, you know, a functioning family structure where people take care of each other.
    The problem is exactly that most pension plans aren't working at all. At first I was thinking Adam Strange was talking about programs like they have in the Netherlands where consentingadult apparently lives but that's just a little bit of a safety net that depends on most families working and picks up for the few that don't. If the entire conception of a family doesn't work in society, then we're left with the exact situation in America where everyone's at each others' throats not even for some supposed great treasure but just "creature comforts" and turn into creatures as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    Half the population has an IQ under 100, and all the smart people are stupid too. Oh no, we're all doomed.

    Anyways, plenty of young people are stupid but that's not the real problem. I think the post-WWII generation disproportionately didn't emotionally mature (so no, definitely not all old people) and this is nobody's fault but theirs themselves or it wouldn't be a sort of moral issue (as uncool as that phrase sounds) like it genuinely appears to be. Now everyone who's going to college feels screwed and they just blame it on random "bankers" and "establishment politicians" instead of realizing it's really just the older generation as a group and if they'd grow up more than their parents ever did they'd take power and their parents would be in a home with no money and no healthcare suffering from diseases they wouldn't pay to cover and watching the world turn into an unrecognizable sci-fi world that terrifies them under the influence of their own offspring who didn't stick around to be their slaves in their old age.
    I've known and worked with many very bright incompetents; they could pass the test but couldn't do the job so I know to what Adam Strange refers. Some of my best engineers were technologists, they couldn't pass a test but were exceptional at engineering. Unfortunately society seems to equate intelligence with education.

    A lot of baby boomers did seem to have issues; it could be because they were raised or influenced by people who were greatly affected by war, distrust and hatred; and perhaps that's why some became instruments of change. Unfortunately, a lot of their offspring were never taught to think or fend for themselves. Thanks to the boomers, the Goebbels-like few now have the means to influence the many sheep that have been created. There's now a resurgence of distrust and hatred; perhaps, it'll inspire further change amid all the finger pointing and blame.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebelondeck View Post
    I've known and worked with many very bright incompetents; they could pass the test but couldn't do the job so I know to what Adam Strange refers. Some of my best engineers were technologists, they couldn't pass a test but were exceptional at engineering. Unfortunately society seems to equate intelligence with education.

    A lot of baby boomers did seem to have issues; it could be because they were raised or influenced by people who were greatly affected by war, distrust and hatred; and perhaps that's why some became instruments of change. Unfortunately, a lot of their offspring were never taught to think or fend for themselves. Thanks to the boomers, the Goebbels-like few now have the means to influence the many sheep that have been created. There's now a resurgence of distrust and hatred; perhaps, it'll inspire further change amid all the finger pointing and blame.....

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    I don't think its so much that millennials are ignorant sheep as it is them simply being pissed off at the general state of things and wanting radical change. I will agree though that the boomers/education system did a piss poor job of teaching us skills to operate independently. In fact I'd say the education system has hindered us in that regard by cramming so much meticulous and useless junk down our throats that we are left bitter and hateful towards to the establishment and have no desire to play by it's rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Studies have shown that very, very few people are able to consistently save anything for retirement. Humans just aren’t built for that. This is why companies have pension plans and countries have the equivalent of social (did I hear the Republicans call it socialist?) security.
    I read the original article and I am not sure what this has to do with baby boomers. Aren't they way too old to have kids still in college?

    I can't relate since my parents prepared for their own retirement and death. I would have no problem helping my mom out if she needed it though. Financial or otherwise since she was always there when we needed her and left us alone when we didn't. She might not have been the most emotionally available person but she took her responsibility to us seriously and so did my step dad (RIP). My siblings would all do their part too. I know this since we have our roles laid out for us in managing our family even though we do not all live in the same state. It is set up in a way that we have to rely on each other and work together so we don't lose touch. It is what I am used to. It has kept us working together across time and space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I read the original article and I am not sure what this has to do with baby boomers. Aren't they way too old to have kids still in college?
    The second half of the Baby Boomers have a lot of kids in college right now, and the first half of Gen X which didn't have to deal with the financial problems they caused.

    We need more specific terminology to refer to the problem-causers than "the Boomers" though since it really isn't a generational issue, that's just the generation a couple of currently-unnamed specific groups of people who exploited capitalist systems to gain power in a seemingly unprecedented way belong to. We should probably blame yuppies for ruining everything and replacing all the moral and vaguely spiritual systems human beings need to thrive with bloated and reeking lifestyles even if they're mostly off the radar now.
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    > even if I had all the money in the world, I still wouldn't pay for your retirement

    1. formally it's done from the money you give from your income, but not by others
    2. it's common when younger people support older and hence weaker ones

    the problem is that the resources which you could get by a pension money, now are taken by expoitators. the rest is bs
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    The second half of the Baby Boomers have a lot of kids in college right now, and the first half of Gen X which didn't have to deal with the financial problems they caused.

    We need more specific terminology to refer to the problem-causers than "the Boomers" though since it really isn't a generational issue, that's just the generation a couple of currently-unnamed specific groups of people who exploited capitalist systems to gain power in a seemingly unprecedented way belong to. We should probably blame yuppies for ruining everything and replacing all the moral and vaguely spiritual systems human beings need to thrive with bloated and reeking lifestyles even if they're mostly off the radar now.
    Why go more specific when you can go general? Just say "everyone who isn't me". That way you cover all your bases and never have to take responsibility for anything!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Why go more specific when you can go general? Just say "everyone who isn't me". That way you cover all your bases and never have to take responsibility for anything!
    Because it's easier to fight when you know your enemy? Though I guess the idea that I'm actually trying to do something and giving other people information in case they ever find themselves wanting or forced to do something is completely far-fetched to this crowd and I should cut off the stream of posts to here.

    Billionaires: Not all of them but a lot of them are horrible people and immature yet somewhat clever dingbats who play power games and try to keep secrets. The bad ones are the secretive ones basically 100% of the time, as much as people might have a personal beef with public ones like Bill Gates or Oprah
    Yuppies: Members of the Boomer generation who along with the billionaires have been in power a long time and set the cultural tone for essentially the span of their lifetimes, have largely been hand-picked
    Hipsters: Children of yuppies who used to like to play at being hippies (now totally dead! but not literally.) Their trends are now mainstream and adopted by everyone besides them because their stuff was actually cool and what they became (see yuccies) isn't allowed to be cool. Their parents might put them in time-out for looking fondly upon that phase of their life or having had the wrong friends in the future
    Yuccies: The people the hipsters are growing into as they are torn between emulating the yuppie lifestyle and trying to have some vague values, albeit cynical and rather lacking in conviction (or merely certainty?)
    The middle class/petit bourgeoisie: Emulators of the yuppies who want to live the "American Dream," are pretty straightforwardly identifiable from calling themselves "the middle class," and are finding themselves thrown into the working class at an alarming rate, dying from horrific illnesses fairly young at an alarming rate, and estranging or becoming estranged from their offspring at an alarming rate

    Those are the bad guys, and their agenda seems pretty obvious to me and should seem obvious to anyone who sees the whole picture and knows that yuppies were once hippies and beats but sold out and see that now basically everything in at least America and Britain (though the rest of the world is definitely impacted in various ways to various degrees) revolves around money and the accompanying superficial consumerist status symbols to the near-complete exclusion of basically any other sort of life. The fight has to start with information because information can't be commodified and we have handy things like Google that basically everyone can access to help. So instead of freedom isn't free, freedom is only free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    Because it's easier to fight when you know your enemy? Though I guess the idea that I'm actually trying to do something and giving other people information in case they ever find themselves wanting or forced to do something is completely far-fetched to this crowd and I should cut off the stream of posts to here.

    Billionaires: Not all of them but a lot of them are horrible people and immature yet somewhat clever dingbats who play power games and try to keep secrets. The bad ones are the secretive ones basically 100% of the time, as much as people might have a personal beef with public ones like Bill Gates or Oprah
    Yuppies: Members of the Boomer generation who along with the billionaires have been in power a long time and set the cultural tone for essentially the span of their lifetimes, have largely been hand-picked
    Hipsters: Children of yuppies who used to like to play at being hippies (now totally dead! but not literally.) Their trends are now mainstream and adopted by everyone besides them because their stuff was actually cool and what they became (see yuccies) isn't allowed to be cool. Their parents might put them in time-out for looking fondly upon that phase of their life or having had the wrong friends in the future
    Yuccies: The people the hipsters are growing into as they are torn between emulating the yuppie lifestyle and trying to have some vague values, albeit cynical and rather lacking in conviction (or merely certainty?)
    The middle class/petit bourgeoisie: Emulators of the yuppies who want to live the "American Dream," are pretty straightforwardly identifiable from calling themselves "the middle class," and are finding themselves thrown into the working class at an alarming rate, dying from horrific illnesses fairly young at an alarming rate, and estranging or becoming estranged from their offspring at an alarming rate

    Those are the bad guys, and their agenda seems pretty obvious to me and should seem obvious to anyone who sees the whole picture and knows that yuppies were once hippies and beats but sold out and see that now basically everything in at least America and Britain (though the rest of the world is definitely impacted in various ways to various degrees) revolves around money and the accompanying superficial consumerist status symbols to the near-complete exclusion of basically any other sort of life. The fight has to start with information because information can't be commodified and we have handy things like Google that basically everyone can access to help. So instead of freedom isn't free, freedom is only free.
    Ok, so what do you propose to do? Lock up all the billionaires and "yuppies"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Ok, so what do you propose to do? Lock up all the billionaires and "yuppies"?
    No. I propose for people to be undeceived about the fact capitalism promotes capitalists at the expense of every other aspect of human life including what money is supposed to be used for, and then, when people can finally see their surroundings instead of simply bumbling through darkness, no one will care much for capitalists or their shallow philosophy any more and human beings will flourish and live in a dignified manner once again. Modern capitalism makes people into big obese babies who are stupid slobs and just want to eat a lot of things and live in a big house with two big cars and a big fence like an oversized version of mommy's boob. It worked until about the 80s (by which I mean the 1980s) because the people in power still believed in some sort of God or Spirit so they had positive ideals, but then in the 80s the bohemians became scared, turned into yuppies, and it stopped working and just became a way for a bunch of fat overgrown babies who want boob-shaped houses with nipple-pantries of food to gorge their mouths on and lots of comfy materialist boob-textures everywhere to avoid fears. People need to be brave, people need to grow up, and people need some sort of spirituality though it might not even be traditionally recognizable and then no one will basically worship capital and capitalists. They might have to be taken down in a fight but only if they send drones or otherwise physically start it because violent revolution generally sucks and should be avoided. If people don't develop themselves they're going to see that they can take the place of what they detest only because they are what they detest (meet the new boss, same as the old boss...) What needs to be done away with is the place itself.
    “Don't think money does everything or you are going to end up doing everything for money.” ― Voltaire

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    Last summer I stepped out into my yard and noticed, about six feet away, a little mouse that had popped his head up out of the grass and was looking at me. However, at the same time, a cat, which had been sitting motionless on the picnic table about 20 feet away, saw the mouse and launched itself towards it.
    The cat was lightning fast and the mouse had no chance to run for cover, so it turned and faced the cat, and as the cat loomed over it, the mouse launched itself at the cat's face with its teeth and claws out.
    The cat made a small adjustment in its motion and bit the mouse's head cleanly off.
    That mouse was the bravest creature I have ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    People need to be brave, people need to grow up, and people need some sort of spirituality though it might not even be traditionally recognizable and then no one will basically worship capital and capitalists.
    What I suggest:

    Completely revamp public education by making it more focused on practical life skills and allocate more time to PE
    Invest towards healthy foods and raise the health standards of food
    Cap how much income an individual can make
    Start more programs similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps in FDR's New Deal
    Do away with pussy victim culture, promote a more militaristic and honor centered culture
    Nationalize news outlets and purge all political bias from it
    Free college education

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Last summer I stepped out into my yard and noticed, about six feet away, a little mouse that had popped his head up out of the grass and was looking at me. However, at the same time, a cat, which had been sitting motionless on the picnic table about 20 feet away, saw the mouse and launched itself towards it.
    The cat was lightning fast and the mouse had no chance to run for cover, so it turned and faced the cat, and as the cat loomed over it, the mouse launched itself at the cat's face with its teeth and claws out.
    The cat made a small adjustment in its motion and bit the mouse's head cleanly off.
    That mouse was the bravest creature I have ever seen.
    I think that illustrates the problem exactly. People are so scared they don't even see the actual solution so they just do what looks brave so they don't feel ashamed. The proper solution is so subtle it hides in plain sight. In this particular situation: couldn't the mouse have run underneath the cat? Cats don't turn around that quickly.
    “Don't think money does everything or you are going to end up doing everything for money.” ― Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Ok, so what do you propose to do? Lock up all the billionaires and "yuppies"?
    Funnily enough... prison produces gazillionaires it's a freaking ass industry by itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    What I suggest:

    Completely revamp public education by making it more focused on practical life skills and allocate more time to PE
    Invest towards healthy foods and raise the health standards of food
    Cap how much income an individual can make
    Start more programs similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps in FDR's New Deal
    Do away with pussy victim culture, promote a more militaristic and honor centered culture
    Nationalize news outlets and purge all political bias from it
    Free college education
    Will you vote for Bernie Sanders in 2020?

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    Quote Originally Posted by COOL AND MANLY View Post
    Will you vote for Bernie Sanders in 2020?
    No but I would prefer him to any other liberal or GOP cuckservative candidate. I think we need a complete cultural, social and economical restructuring instead of just more social democracy a.k.a welfare capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    No, I try to surround myself with the highest quality people I can find. It's hard enough to get through the day without any help, so the better the help I can get, the better the output.

    Two things.

    One, many people believe that if they hire someone smarter than they are, that person will take over. Personality theory disproves that, but a lot of people believe it. That's why A people hire A people and B people hire C people.

    Two, not everyone wants to be king. Some people just want to get something accomplished.

    I'm actually surrounded by people from all quadras, but Gamma is over-represented. It's a natural thing to want to spend more time with people you like and understand, but it's not the best strategy in the long run. People from other quadras can cover bases that you didn't even realize were there. But most of the people I spend time with tend to be smart. It's just better for getting things done.


    Even the SEE that I'm saying "Hi" to at lunch is smart, even though she thinks that Astrology works by gravity and Asparagus makes your pee smell bad because of chlorophyll. You can see in her eyes that she's smart about things that I don't have a clue about.
    What the fuck are the B people supposed to do

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