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    Type the newly elected millennial Democratic congresswoman:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez





    She seems to have a lot of support in the left, but a lot of hate coming from the right too because her leftist policies seem extreme and she describes herself a Democratic Socialist. I think it's safe to say that she's a controversial figure because of this though. I'm kind of indifferent to her atm as I haven't thoroughly read about her political views. However, on first glance I do like some of her political views, but she has some other political views that I am not a fan of. I'm leaning towards her being a type with strong and valued based on what I have seen so far from her, but other than that I'm pretty open to what her type is.
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    She seems SLE to me.

    It may help to see her in motion:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    She seems SLE to me.

    It may help to see her in motion:

    Ah yeah. SLE E3
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    Beta quadra seems right, but I lean more to EIE.
    after watching following video


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    @WinnieW, you could be right. At 4:40, she is channeling the female LIE that I know, and I think that LIE's and EIE's have half their functions in common.

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    @Adam Strange
    My impression is that she is, based on the video I posted, much more likely my semi-dual than my supervisor.

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    LIE is worth consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Beta quadra seems right, but I lean more to EIE.
    after watching following video

    I suppose I could buy her as someone with strong and valued so EIE is a possibility even though I lean towards for her. However, I just cannot buy her as any logical type because most of the criticism for her seems to stem from her weak logic. She strikes me as an ethical type that hasn't developed her and/or enough for the political realm where there is a higher standard to adhere to so it's resulted in a lot of harsh criticism from the right. However, she has some good ideas and that's where she's garnered most of her support from the left so that could possibly point to strong intuition, but of course she could be a sensor too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    I suppose I could buy her as someone with strong and valued so EIE is a possibility even though I lean towards for her. However, I just cannot buy her as any logical type because most of the criticism for her seems to stem from her weak logic.
    Yes, but they aren't valid attacks on her logic. The majority are baseless. She cites facts, stats, and a big picture. She's outgoing. She provides directives. She's basically saying:"Hey you all, we should be going that way." She's big picture, but she's not basing her arguments on how people are feeling. She's basing arguments on stats and developments and innovations in tech and in society. She has an existentialist rallying cry vibe.

    "Budgets are moral documents" in a firm tone is pretty fucking Gamma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
    Yes, but they aren't valid attacks on her logic. The majority are baseless. She cites facts, stats, and a big picture. She's outgoing. She provides directives. She's basically saying:"Hey you all, we should be going that way." She's big picture, but she's not basing her arguments on how people are feeling. She's basing arguments on stats and developments and innovations in tech and in society. She has an existentialist rallying cry vibe.

    "Budgets are moral documents" in a firm tone is pretty fucking Gamma.
    Nothing bolded is dependent on being a logical type at all. Even the things not bolded are not limited to logical types at all.

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    Seems ILE

    She reminds me of my old best friend - dual - who died, and reminds me of another NT alpha friend who also tested correctly as LII.

    But extravert here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    Seems ILE

    She reminds me of my old best friend - dual - who died, and reminds me of another NT alpha friend who also tested correctly as LII.

    But extravert here.
    She's ILE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    She's ILE.
    I initially typed her as either IEE or SEE so it is interesting to see her typed as ILE and SLE. I just don't see creative or demonstrative personally. Maybe I am missing her using and she avoids using because she doesn't value it at her own detriment.

    I can buy ILE way more than SLE anyways as I felt I shared some similarities with her, but there were some differences too so ILE could explain it. SLE seems too far fetched for her judging by her general behavior. She doesn't resemble any SLEs I know, even the females.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    I initially typed her as either IEE or SEE so it is interesting to see her typed as ILE and SLE. I just don't see creative or demonstrative personally. Maybe I am missing her using and she avoids using because she doesn't value it at her own detriment.

    I can buy ILE way more than SLE anyways as I felt I shared some similarities with her, but there were some differences too so ILE could explain it. SLE seems too far fetched for her judging by her general behavior. She doesn't resemble any SLEs I know, even the females.
    Some thinkers are not great thinkers, and some thinkers are better with people than feelers. Huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    Some thinkers are not great thinkers, and some thinkers are better with people than feelers. Huh.
    That's true, Socionics doesn't explain other factors that can influence behavior and personality. However, I just haven't seen the evidence for creative and PoLR yet, but base and HA makes sense based on what I've seen from her so I'll acknowledge Ne-ILE as a possibility for her type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    I initially typed her as either IEE or SEE.
    I get those vibes too, my current bet is on SEE.
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    Her green new deal just got rejected: https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/h...6hres109ih.pdf

    After you read it, it's difficult to tell whether she has dreadful , doesn't value it at all or both. Her ideas sound great in theory, but anyone with a modicum of knowledge of economics will know that it won't work well in practice.
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    I pegged her type before anybody.

    Cortez is ESE-Si 2w3 sp/so

    I cracked the VI for every socionics type on this pinterest. Note that its a clear VI match for ESE-Si:

    https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/ese-si/

    I cracked the gestalt for each type, wing and stack. Note that it's a clear match for the the insatiable-seductive gestalt: 2w3.

    https://stackemup.livejournal.com/

    I cracked the VI for every stacking. Note that its a clear VI match for sp/so (though I need to put more sp/so exxamples up there):

    https://www.pinterest.com/stackemupennea/

    That brings me to 2w3 sp/so. Fictional counterpart: Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
    I pegged her type before anybody.

    Cortez is ESE-Si 2w3 sp/so

    I cracked the VI for every socionics type on this pinterest. Note that its a clear VI match for ESE-Si:

    https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/ese-si/

    I cracked the gestalt for each type, wing and stack. Note that it's a clear match for the the insatiable-seductive gestalt: 2w3.

    https://stackemup.livejournal.com/

    I cracked the VI for every stacking. Note that its a clear VI match for sp/so (though I need to put more sp/so exxamples up there):

    https://www.pinterest.com/stackemupennea/

    That brings me to 2w3 sp/so. Fictional counterpart: Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by returnofxenu View Post
    She seems mostly Se, honestly. She doesn't come off like she has any real understanding of the issues she's discussing, she usually seems like she's just winging it. For example... she quickly put together a plan to save the planet from human pollution without consulting qualified scientists, but the plan doesn't actually address the most important issues pertaining to climate... deforestation, ocean pollution, overpopulation... especially in developing nations. It's also a totally inefficient use of resources, even toward that end... nonetheless she appears to be utterly convinced her spuriously hatched plan is the only valid path forward for humanity...
    Her main strength seems to be that she's the most F-able figure in politics. Probably has gone through most of her life being the most or second most F-able woman in the room, which has caused her to greatly overestimate her actual importance / intelligence.
    Her fixation on this grand, bad idea is not atypical of someone with repressed Ni.
    A Ne dominant type would have had a better plan. Hell I actually support a few dramatic environmental policies.. her plan is just simply bad.
    I say SLE ...
    I can see the argument for some kind of Fe as well. She seems to go sort of batshit when she senses that people disagree with her ideas, and usually some kind of Fe related offense gets balled up in there. Moral outrage is the hammer she uses to whack her political opponents back into their holes.
    Maybe the Fe subtype of SLE. I agree she's generally not a serious thinker, but that's probably an IQ issue more than an actual typology issue, probably has an IQ of about 115. Combined with the fact she's dealing with complex issues and in way over her head.
    "​Greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from transportation account for about 28 percent of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, making it the largest contributor of U.S. GHG emissions. Between 1990 and 2018, GHG emissions in the transportation sector increased more in absolute terms than any other sector."epa.gov

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    there is something wrong with her

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    She's virtually certainly not a Te ego. She's antagonistic to and getting into public fights with media fact-checkers and the main thrust of her criticism is that they're focused too much on facts and not enough on the moral implication of her intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oppai Anschluss View Post
    She's virtually certainly not a Te ego. She's antagonistic to and getting into public fights with media fact-checkers and the main thrust of her criticism is that they're focused too much on facts and not enough on the moral implication of her intent.
    I have read that being more focused on the moral foundation of society is a Beta trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oppai Anschluss View Post
    She's virtually certainly not a Te ego. She's antagonistic to and getting into public fights with media fact-checkers and the main thrust of her criticism is that they're focused too much on facts and not enough on the moral implication of her intent.
    Exactly, I am pretty confident that she is not a logical type. Most of the criticism of her seems to come from her weak / . I am leaning towards her being a type with strong and valued , but strong and valued is a possibility.
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    Most politicians get criticized on the ground that they're unintelligent or they lack expertise in something or they don't know what they're talking about. The fact is that she is rather morally scrupulous, so they can't criticize her on that ground.

    I mean look at Trump, he gets criticized for lacking intelligence AND that he is morally shady. What type is he, is he weak in both T and F?

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    ILE-Ne soc-9w8, @vesstheastralsilky knows her duals ^^

    She does come off as being a little immature and her proposals seem too unfettered.



    She has also reminded me of this ILE-Ne girl:




    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    there is something wrong with her
    Hm she was posted up for enneagram discussion at another typology forum and several members have noticed is that she seems manic, and that this could interfere with any attempts to type her.



    This is probably where you get the dancing on rooftops mentioned in this video. Mania is the abnormally heightened phase of bipolar personality disorder, or in russian - Биполярное аффективное расстройство

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    ILE-Ne soc-9w8, @vesstheastralsilky knows her duals ^^

    She does come off as being a little immature and her proposals seem too unfettered.



    She has also reminded me of this ILE-Ne girl:





    Hm she was posted up for enneagram discussion at another typology forum and several members have noticed is that she seems manic, and that this could interfere with any attempts to type her.



    This is probably where you get the dancing on rooftops mentioned in this video. Mania is the abnormally heightened phase of bipolar personality disorder, or in russian - Биполярное аффективное расстройство
    ohmygosh, in that 1st video the still pic facial expression is a silly one my ILE fiance sometimes makes at me when he is acting silly over video chat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    ohmygosh, in that 1st video the still pic facial expression is a silly one my ILE fiance sometimes makes at me when he is acting silly over video chat.
    So far I like the EIE typing the most out of all the typings here, but I'll try to keep an open mind for ILE. I'm just trying to see why she is ILE in terms of proof of her having strong and valued and strong and valued . I can buy her as base as a possibility, but I just haven't seen her use creative in any of her interviews or maybe I have been missing out on it when she does use it. I guess I could see her as having HA, but that could be chalked up to her being base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    So far I like the EIE typing the most out of all the typings here, but I'll try to keep an open mind for ILE. I'm just trying to see why she is ILE in terms of proof of her having strong and valued and strong and valued . I can buy her as base as a possibility, but I just haven't seen her use creative in any of her interviews or maybe I have been missing out on it when she does use it. I guess I could see her as having HA, but that could be chalked up to her being base.
    Raver, since I anmm questioning my type again you can best consider my input as her possibly being my dual, whatever types they happen to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    ILE-Ne soc-9w8, @vesstheastralsilky knows her duals ^^

    She does come off as being a little immature and her proposals seem too unfettered.



    She has also reminded me of this ILE-Ne girl:





    Hm she was posted up for enneagram discussion at another typology forum and several members have noticed is that she seems manic, and that this could interfere with any attempts to type her.



    This is probably where you get the dancing on rooftops mentioned in this video. Mania is the abnormally heightened phase of bipolar personality disorder, or in russian - Биполярное аффективное расстройство
    Props to silke for knowing Socionics.

    It's funny to think of AOC as immature. Remember who the president of the USA is. Remember that he was elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    Props to silke for knowing Socionics.

    It's funny to think of AOC as immature. Remember who the president of the USA is. Remember that he was elected.
    Trump isn't infantile enough to actually think socialism would work. Nice try though

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    Dude in video is annoying.

    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    ILE-Ne soc-9w8, @vesstheastralsilky knows her duals ^^

    She does come off as being a little immature and her proposals seem too unfettered.



    She has also reminded me of this ILE-Ne girl:





    Hm she was posted up for enneagram discussion at another typology forum and several members have noticed is that she seems manic, and that this could interfere with any attempts to type her.



    This is probably where you get the dancing on rooftops mentioned in this video. Mania is the abnormally heightened phase of bipolar personality disorder, or in russian - Биполярное аффективное расстройство

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    She's definitely an Extrovert, but other factors in my mind are making it difficult. For one, she's definitely r-selected. Explains the extroversion but confuses damn near all else if ya know what r-selection indicates for a personality. I mean, if we even try to splice r/K selection theory with Socionics oh boy do things get vague and confusing very quickly as all types have would logically have both an r and K selected variant that makes total logical sense within a given theoretical state of any society both in fiction and real life. Which one matters more then? Does it indicate what the type is more likely to be? Gah! Why can't things in this world be more simple dang it!?

    But yeah, the quadra us Gammas have a particularly strong grudge against. She's one of them, my tells me so. Ironically enough, that's my most beloved cousin's quadra (He's an LII far as I can tell). ESE, I'm gonna bet on ESE, because I just can't say why I dislike her other than I am anti-Communist in the most extreme sense and have a gut feeling that if we ever tried to speak to each other it'd be a coin flip for who would punch whom in the face first. She'd swing at me first I bet. I would, being the unique type of asshole I am, have anticipated it and executed upon her a "glory kill" if ya know what I'm referencing if she tried .

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    ENFx.

    I don't think she is ESE.

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    The majority of her monologue here consists of one big Causal Deterministic stream of consciousness. Extraverted Fe valuer. My vote is ILE.

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    @Karatos
    Very possible, hadn't thought of that. I don't think she is an introvert or sensory type in any case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by para View Post
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    Very possible, hadn't thought of that. I don't think she is an introvert or sensory type in any case.
    It's a tough call. Second most likely type is EIE-C. She doesn't seem extremely confident in the logic of her arguments, and she has a visionary, tribal overtone in her representation of her district, her people, and her populism. She describes herself as a fighter. Also, what @Adam Strange said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karatos View Post
    It's a tough call. Second most likely type is EIE-C. She doesn't seem extremely confident in the logic of her arguments, and she has a visionary, tribal overtone in her representation of her district, her people, and her populism. She describes herself as a fighter. Also, what @Adam Strange said.
    I agree with this analysis. Out of all the type suggestions here, EIE seems like the most likely possibility as she appears to have a strong usage of , while valuing it IMO.

    As for ILE, I can see how someone could type her that, but I have a hard time seeing her having creative and demonstrative. Anyways, I am leaning towards ExFX for her atm, her being an extrovert is now more clear to me.
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