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    Default Instinctual Stacking and quadras - Survey

    I am not sure if this has been done before or not. I know one already exists for MBTI and stacking, but I wanted to see what it was for socionics. I would really like to collect data on this topic, so I made a short little survey for it...

    Ideally, I would like that the responses be based on a decent level of confidence as to the (1) socionics type and (2) instinctual stacking.

    Here is the survey (3 Qs).

    I would like to get as many responses as I can, so feel free to refer this survey to those outside of the forum, if you want to.

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    Default From previous survey

    This is what I have from a previous survey I did (it is only 16 data points - I would prefer much more than that). But anyways, here it is:



    Please fill out the survey so that I can collect more data!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusRose View Post
    I know one already exists for MBTI and stacking, but I wanted to see what it was for socionics.
    to think MBT and Socionics as different typologies is nonsense

    > I would really like to collect data on this topic, so I made a short little survey for it...

    the other nonsense is to trust much to what people think about own types
    if to take into account the quantity of active members as 10-20 people, where only a part has a serious interest to E-types - you should trust to E-types even lesser

    > Ideally, I would like that the responses be based on a decent level of confidence as to the (1) socionics type and (2) instinctual stacking.

    and main nonsense is to suppose about significant correlation between subtypes of other typology and Jung's types

    in sum - the useless aproach with random results

    you'd better researched Jung's types to understand the own correctly than to mess with enneagram on Jung's types forum
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    @Venus Rose I would like to take your survey... is there a reliable method to discover my subtype stacking? Is there a test I can take or something similar to that?
    "My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    @Venus Rose I would like to take your survey... is there a reliable method to discover my subtype stacking? Is there a test I can take or something similar to that?
    There's ocean moonshine's stacking descriptions, if you know your core type.
    There's several descriptions for instincts..
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Enneagram/c...om_a_workshop/
    https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/h...-system-works/ (it's at the very end)
    https://oceanmoonshine9.wordpress.com/type-stackings/

    I would just look and see what feels more comfortable for you

    There are quizzes as well:
    http://enneagramuserguide.com/enneag...acking-variant
    https://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/test-2
    There's one of the forum here as well: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Test-instincts

    But yeah, I would only take those quizzes as guides. It's up to you what stacking feels right for you.

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    Thank you for the resources. From the reddit post, sp first was a bit too painfully accurate lol.

    Anyway, these are my entries: EIE, sp/sx, Harmonizing.

    In enneagram, I'm fairly certain, 2w3, 269 tritype
    "My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"



    "Catherine Earnshaw, may you not rest as long as I am living; you said I killed you—haunt me, then!... Be with me always—take any form—drive me mad! only do not leave me in this abyss, where I cannot find you!"




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    Ah, I like that link. Read it before, but yes! This is what sx is about imo:
    1) Edge/Aggression/ Pushing the envelope - Moving towards what draws you
    energetically, drive towards what is exciting and interesting, element of risk, of
    overcoming boundaries, destructive. Salmon swimming upstream to [blocked due
    to guideline #4 violation] and die. Most aggressive version of their type. There's
    an element of risk and exhaustion. Jealousy and Competition, over-aggression,
    over-spending energy, can be heartless, this is hunter-prey dynamic. Everything
    else sidelined. Recklessness.
    and again, yes
    -intensity - intense about what? intensity needed because intimacy can't be felt.
    I think so and sx are both very misunderstood. It's so that is about that warm connecting kind of experience. But sx is pure energy, it's like a fire that can't be quenched and man, hag posted a thread on Van Gogh - read his quotes, he REALLY gets it! Or got it, because he's dead, but his quotes gah, he knows the consumption. I really like the image sometimes used of the "hungry ghosts" because it's like this black hole that needs needs needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    Thank you for the resources. From the reddit post, sp first was a bit too painfully accurate lol.

    Anyway, these are my entries: EIE, sp/sx, Harmonizing.

    In enneagram, I'm fairly certain, 2w3, 269 tritype
    Oh snap. 629. Beta good Samaritans stand up!
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Ah, I like that link. Read it before, but yes! This is what sx is about imo: and again, yes

    I think so and sx are both very misunderstood. It's so that is about that warm connecting kind of experience. But sx is pure energy, it's like a fire that can't be quenched and man[...] I really like the image sometimes used of the "hungry ghosts" because it's like this black hole that needs needs needs.
    For me they are kind of intertwined. I think 'prey' is more of a victim/aggressor thing though there's still a slight animalistic bend to sexuality regardless of your erotic attitude
    I don't really want to be hunted or 'preyed upon' so to speak; I want something more safe and loving (Si valuing)
    Though I see what the description is trying to get at, and I am ok with using it as a resource for instincts in general, the two different erotic attitudes should also be considered
    The intense energy that you describe is something I am almost always immersed it, but for me to feel safe with someone, it also has to be "tender"; aggressors scare me.

    That is to say, I don't think anyone who talks about in terms on bonding is necessarily talking about so, they may in fact be talking about the sexual instinct. Si/Ne is more indirect instead of bold and direct and they may be put off by blatant and bold descriptions...and sx energy is such that if something repels you, you do not want to engage with it.

    Caregivers:
    attraction is naturally sparked by the perceived aesthetic attributes of the prospective partner, but cooled off if such attributes are accompanied by a perception of "too aggressive" sexuality
    inclination towards tenderness, "soft" rather than "hard" approach
    (X)

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    If I changed my self-typing, how do I change my answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    If I changed my self-typing, how do I change my answer?
    I can change your answer in my spreadsheet, DA
    what would you like me to change it to? (I know your response since unfortunately only one LSE has responded as of now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusRose View Post
    I can change your answer in my spreadsheet, DA
    what would you like me to change it to? (I know your response since unfortunately only one LSE has responded as of now).
    stacking is now sx/sp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    stacking is now sx/sp.
    Done.

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    Yes, it's not the words themselves that are being used, as in you can still use the word "connection" in referring to sx, but it's what you mean by it. I see so as welcoming, friendly, "come on in and sit with me" kind of thing "we will be best friends", which is different from "let us immerse ourselves in each other's presence" -- idk perhaps it's just me, but it's not just people either, it's a feeling of wanting to swallow those things that intrigue you whole, pull it all into yourself almost drunk on it.

    Sometimes I can't help but share some of it because it's more than I can contain . . . and I look a little insane lol. So, mostly it remains this private burning, and I really liked and related to that Van Gogh quote “A great fire burns within me, but no one stops to warm themselves at it, and passers-by only see a wisp of smoke” The images of fire and burning and consuming, like I myself am enveloped in flame is the source for my avatar as it's to me a picture of my insides. . .but the cover that contains it is all that the world sees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Yes, it's not the words themselves that are being used, as in you can still use the word "connection" in referring to sx, but it's what you mean by it. I see so as welcoming, friendly, "come on in and sit with me" kind of thing "we will be best friends", which is different from "let us immerse ourselves in each other's presence" -- idk perhaps it's just me, but it's not just people either, it's a feeling of wanting to swallow those things that intrigue you whole, pull it all into yourself almost drunk on it.
    I think you and I have different ideas of best-friendship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I think you and I have different ideas of best-friendship.
    Probably so. Every once in awhile I feel like I'm wandering the world with a mallet striking various bells, and they all fall flat, a dampened return, not a single one rings out. It's a rather lonely feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Probably so. Every once in awhile I feel like I'm wandering the world with a mallet striking various bells, and they all fall flat, a dampened return, not a single one rings out. It's a rather lonely feeling.

    I think you have the idea of best friends that I had five years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post

    I think you have the idea of best friends that I had five years ago.
    lol. My commentary was in regard to communication and ideas, to say something and have it "strike a chord" within another person where they can know what I mean by what I'm saying. In other words, I don't think my idea of what a best friend is will be communicated in a way that will resonate or be understood. That's okay. I've gotten used to it. It happens when I say something personal to me, such as my description of how I relate to sx and nobody else really seems to share that same experience. Or sometimes when I'm excited about a topic or idea and it's met with disinterest or confusion as to why it's so exciting.

    Idk, if I share my mind I nearly always feel a bit "out of phase" with the rest of the world like I'm living in a slightly different time zone, a slightly different reality from most everyone else, unless I keep it impersonal and a bit separated from me. It's only when I think too much about the experience does it feel lonely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Probably so. Every once in awhile I feel like I'm wandering the world with a mallet striking various bells, and they all fall flat, a dampened return, not a single one rings out. It's a rather lonely feeling.
    Initially I read this as “I feel like I’m wandering the world with a manlet striking various balls, and they all fall flat, a dampened return, not a single one rings out.”

    ... “It’s a rather lonely feeling.”

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