Results 1 to 17 of 17

Thread: Description of INFJ

  1. #1
    Humanist Beautiful sky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    EII land
    TIM
    EII INFj
    Posts
    23,286
    Mentioned
    560 Post(s)
    Tagged
    6 Thread(s)
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    9,423
    Mentioned
    851 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Default

    in MBT types descriptions of introverted types are affected by the mistake of wrong functions, which are assigned as for quasi-identity types. in MBT types descriptions only related to dichotomies is useful and to some degree relating to functions in E-types descriptions

    that INFJ description is a mix between INFJ and INFP types
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

  3. #3
    Humanist Beautiful sky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    EII land
    TIM
    EII INFj
    Posts
    23,286
    Mentioned
    560 Post(s)
    Tagged
    6 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    in MBT types descriptions of introverted types are affected by the mistake of wrong functions, which are assigned as for quasi-identity types. in MBT types descriptions only related to dichotomies is useful and to some degree relating to functions in E-types descriptions

    that INFJ description is a mix between INFJ and INFP types
    there are clear differences between the two types, sol. I'll give you a hint one is Humanist.
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

  4. #4
    Humanist Beautiful sky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    EII land
    TIM
    EII INFj
    Posts
    23,286
    Mentioned
    560 Post(s)
    Tagged
    6 Thread(s)

    Default

    @Aylen

    This one
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

  5. #5
    IQ over 150 vesstheastralsilky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2018
    TIM
    INxJ Hybrid
    Posts
    1,486
    Mentioned
    73 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    in MBT types descriptions of introverted types are affected by the mistake of wrong functions, which are assigned as for quasi-identity types. in MBT types descriptions only related to dichotomies is useful and to some degree relating to functions in E-types descriptions

    that INFJ description is a mix between INFJ and INFP types
    I agree and also other types. Too many people type as INF who aren't just because they are conceptual and deep. Many types are indeed those very things. Enneagram 4s are likely to type even false type as INF but it is a different way of being than Socionics IE and intertype relation relevant.

    Ni Fes create emotional tones and atmospheres over time and are heavily dependent on having their desires met by others, often wishing rather unrealistically.

    Ne Fis are extremely image conscious about how they come across yet others see confidence. They focus on giving positive even untouchable impressions whether intentional or not.
    ~* astralsilky

    4w5 that morphed into a 3w2 sx/sp
    Cancer Sun, Cancer/Leo Moon, Libra Ascendant, Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Sun conjunct Moon, Saturn conjunct Mercury conjunct MC in 10th, Jupiter handle of bucket pattern squares Nodes, Uranus biquintile Jupiter, Neptune sextile Ascendant, Lilith trine Ascendant, Venus in Gemini/Cancer in 9th house conjunct MC, Venus trine Uranus, Uranus conjunct Spica, Ascendant conjunct SuperGalactic Center, Sun inconjunct Galactic Center.

    Each essence is a separate glass,
    Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
    Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
    A thousand colors, but the Light is One.

    Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet

  6. #6

    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    292
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    I agree and also other types. Too many people type as INF who aren't just because they are conceptual and deep. Many types are indeed those very things. Enneagram 4s are likely to type even false type as INF but it is a different way of being than Socionics IE and intertype relation relevant.

    Ni Fes create emotional tones and atmospheres over time and are heavily dependent on having their desires met by others, often wishing rather unrealistically.

    Ne Fis are extremely image conscious about how they come across yet others see confidence. They focus on giving positive even untouchable impressions whether intentional or not.
    THIS! Thank you. In MBTI I'm INFP and in socionics I am EII because of this.

  7. #7
    Queen of the Damned Aylen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    MACS0647-JD
    TIM
    psyche 4w5 sx/sp
    Posts
    10,595
    Mentioned
    851 Post(s)
    Tagged
    42 Thread(s)

    Default

    @Beautiful sky

    Thanks for posting.

    I agree that INFJ/P descriptions are often a mix, in MBTI, of both IEI and EII. Most descriptions are behavioral but so are many socionics descriptions. Those coming from MBTI are probably better off starting fresh.


    This site tries to break it down into cognitive functions at least so I am interested in which ones the self typed EII and IEI relate to most here.

     
    1. Ni - internal iNtuition


    Ni is the way that an NiFe perceives their inner world, it dictates the way they store information and how they perceive that information. It also heavily dictates the path that their train of thought will take. Ni tends to store information in a spread out way with all the pieces of data having connections of various strengths to multiple additional pieces of data. This creates a dense web-like mass of information that is too large to be viewed in detail as a whole, but can be zoomed in on to show intricate clusters and threads of thoughts. This network of data rests slightly outside of the conscious mind, giving Ni a dreamlike quality that is equally likely to be experienced in images and impressions as it is to produce concrete facts. Because the focus of the Ni perception is constantly scanning the whole but also frequently zooming in on various thoughts and feelings and changing angles on a subject, Ni dominant people tend to experience their inner world as constantly fluctuating.


    2. Fe - external Feeling


    Fe is the NiFe’s first extroverted function, so this is the function that the NiFe is most likely to use when interacting with the outer world and it is the filter through which they receive communication from the rest of the world. Fe is also the way that the NiFe processes their emotions. This function serves Ni and is primarily focused on other people.


    3. Ti - internal Thinking


    Ti makes decisions based on logic and operates internally. Ti helps to stabilize the shifty nature of Ni and helps the NiFe to interpret their Ni connections in a sensible way. This function can help them to fully understand the connections that Ni makes outside of the conscious realm.


    4. Se – external Sensing


    Se is the NiFe’s last and least developed function. This function is what perceives the outer world as stable, concrete, and structured. It’s also the function that helps an NiFe to be aware of their surroundings, appreciate beauty, be fully present in the moment, and feel connected to the physical world. This function is operating at a low level on the NiFe’s awareness radar and gives them only the minimum input required for the tasks they are doing unless the NiFe actively engages this function. Unfortunately for the NiFe, they can experience the outer world as overwhelming and stressful if they spend too much time actively taking in outside stimulus, or if real world facts and data escalate to an intensity that demands the NiFe’s full focus.


    THE INNER WORLD


    An NiFe often feels like their whole brain is working at once. On good days, it feels like smooth and cohesive movements of data headed to a single point on a horizon of discovery, but in times of stress, it seems more like a chaotic whirlwind of thoughts and emotions. For the young NiFe, they may feel like spectators of this process rather than active participants, however as they mature, they will be able to exert more control and direction over this process.


    Ni is primarily concerned with analysis and thought more for the experience of stretching its own perspectives rather than for the formation of firm conclusions. While they like to know where they stand on some issues, they tend to be comfortable with paradoxes and the unknowable more than other types. Ni is mainly focused either on the future, or things in the present that remain unknown or un-provable (for example: other people’s motives, the true origin of the universe, how will that cliffhanger on their favorite show be resolved).


    According to work of neuroscientist Dario Nardi, individuals who lead with Ni tend to access their brain in a holistic way, engaging multiple areas of their brain and synchronizing those regions in a rhythmic, and tranquil pattern that is usually associated with the brain activity one would expect to see from an individual who is thinking in their area of expertise, however, for the NiFe, this is what happens to their brain when they encounter a new problem or concept. Because of this, they need to take on new challenges to their thinking regularly.


    They often require a certain standard of security in their outer world because they need the freedom of the full use of their faculties as they are constantly expanding their inner universe. Unlike those with Ne who often feel uninspired unless they have a steady influx of new experiences, Ni users do not need a constant stream of novel stimuli to have new epiphanies. One or two simple but meaningful encounters with the outside world might be all the Ni user needs to come up with an intricate plot for a screenplay or an idea for a life-saving invention.


    NiFe’s tend to have a rather large “working memory,” meaning that they can retain active consciousness of a large number of facts or details for immediate use. In the short term, they can have a remarkably accurate memory showing a great attention to detail, while still retaining the big picture. However, if they spend too much time trying to hold multiple perspectives and a wide array of details in their mind, they will suffer from internal overstimulation; this can even lead to moments of panic or feeling trapped inside of one’s head. It can also be a huge killer of the NiFe’s natural creativity.


    They must learn to identify when they are approaching detail overload. When this happens, it helps to externally record thoughts (in a journal, planner, to do list, or by telling another person). Externally recording thoughts allows them to release the thought into long term storage, knowing that they are more likely to be able to recall it later. Or, if they feel they have adequately addressed the matter, it allows them to “delete” the info completely.


    Another feature of Ni is that it tends to bring up needed insight and stored information at exactly the right time, without much effort to consciously recall what is needed. Unfortunately, this automatic drive to bring relevant information into the forefront of consciousness can result in negative patterns, like over analyzing problems that have no immediate solution to the point that they can become fixated or obsessively worried. Ni makes it very difficult to put a problem “out of their mind” or compartmentalize their thoughts. They will often find themselves pulled back to the unresolved issue until they can solve it. Coping techniques include designating a later time to process, reaching out for support as soon as possible, distraction, and meditation/prayer.


    Ni is the main source creativity in these individuals. They have a highly developed inner world that will generally remain largely private to them. A strong mind’s eye and vivid imagination make NiFe’s the rulers of the daydream. While they can go overboard with this trait, a bit of positive and intentional daydreaming is normal and healthy for them.


    NiFe’s tend to feel the pull of their second function as a steady undercurrent to the direction that their thoughts take. They are fascinated by the intricacies of human interactions. They have a deep desire to not only understand but to relate to other people. They may ponder for days what the real meaning of an off-hand comment was, or they might dissect another person’s life choices from afar. While this may seem to other types as some kind of strange obsession or judgmental intrusion, it is actually a normal manifestation of the NiFe’s desire to know others deeply.


    Fe is an external function, but for an NiFe, it impacts their inner world by drawing their focus to real life people and situations. Fe causes the Ni to ponder real life people, questions, and events in an imaginative way. They typically prefer to focus on people and projects that serve people. Especially when dealing with matters of great emotional importance, Fe’s absorption of the intangible emotional vibes in an environment usually determines where Ni will focus.


    While connections with other people are important to them, they often struggle to switch back and forth between using their inner functions (Ni and Ti) and their outer functions (Fe and Se). The NiFe may feel social anxiety due to this difficulty or fear they may be seen as awkward, nervous, or flustered.


    The presence of Fe in an NiFe’s life is often experienced as a blessing and a curse. When they sense the emotions of other people, Ni’s vague, impressionistic nature often means that they don’t always clearly perceive origins and reasons for their emotional impressions. This is especially true for young NiFe’s who may not be able to clearly define why they dislike being around certain people or put in certain situations. It is the development of Ti that allows them to retrace the steps that Ni traversed subconsciously.


    Ti often helps with the “untangling” process of NiFe’s more mysterious impressions. It helps to ground, narrow down, and make sense of the random thoughts. Ti often utilizes the real life, concrete, Se facts to help steer Ni in a more rational direction. Although Ti is normally used in the service of Ni and Fe, NiFe’s often enjoy activities that give Ti freedom to explore on it’s own. With ample alone time and challenging topics to think about, they tend to find that Ni with Ti leads to mental pursuits that encompass both creativity and logic. Strategizing, planning, problem analysis, and complex designing go well when they are allowed to take their time.


    Ni and Ti together make for an imaginative, curious, and mischievous inner world. Ti can trip up an NiFe when it is too heavily relied on in emotion-based situations. In emotionally/relationally threatening situations where key facts regarding intentions or motives are unknown to the NiFe, they can can become overly analytical, critical, assuming, and cold. This is a result of Ni and Ti teaming up without fully acknowledging how much they really don’t know about the situation.


    The final function in the NiFe’s main stack is Se. Se impacts the NiFe in positive and negative ways. Generally speaking, problems with Se arise when they are not getting enough time alone, when their outer environment is not sufficiently peaceful and secure, when the Se stimulus they are getting is stressful, empty, or negative, and when they are required to use their Se in intense ways or for prolonged periods of time. Se overload is inevitable at various life stages. The development of self awareness, proper boundaries, sufficient alone time, and healthy habits all go a long way in keeping them from burning out from Se overload.


    However, when an NiFe has small doses of positive Se on a regular basis, they actually gain energy, insight, and happiness from Se experiences. This is why simple, healthy, natural Se pursuits (athletic, artistic, tactile, epicurean, sensual, etc.) can be very positive for the NiFe and help to relieve stress. The older and more experienced an NiFe is, the better they are at maintaining control over their Se rather than allowing it to overwhelm them.


    THE OUTER WORLD


    NiFe’s are among those types who are highly adaptable in their behavior, but at the same time often very reserved. These two traits in combination make an NiFe hard to identify by those who don’t know them well. It can actually be quite tough for NiFe’s to know how they’re perceived by other people, as more than nearly any other type, they spend a lot of time in their heads.


    In fact, after 3 pages about the inner world, our NiFe co-author got stuck trying to describe the outer world of the NiFe. So from here, your friendly resident TiNe will pick up and do his best to do justice to the mysterious and fascinating NiFe.
    Fe distinctly causes NiFe’s to be drawn to people. They find people absolutely fascinating...but nearly always from a distance. After socializing, even with close friends, they need long breaks. They study people with an intensity that’s rarely matched by any other type. They often find themselves caring about and even wanting to defend people groups who are being oppressed - whether or not they have any personal connection to them. They have a low tolerance for people who put down others for any reason.


    It can be a struggle for NiFe’s to care so much for people - not just those close to them, but entire people groups. It tends to be quite exhausting when you exert so much emotional energy caring about so many people and yet don’t necessarily have the energy to actually do anything to help or defend them. This heavily external focus also often means that they don’t have an easy time knowing and expressing their own needs in relationships.


    When it comes to determining values, it's pretty easy for an NiFe to say "I don't like that because it doesn't make any sense" (using Ti to make a logical assessment), or "I don't like that because it hurts other people or violates a collective value" with Fe, but it's harder for an NiFe to say, "I don't like that because I believe it's wrong, even though it isn't obviously hurting someone," which is more like an Fi judgment.


    Everyone has deep Fi-style values to some extent, even if they don’t actively use Fi as a function. When an NiFe person is trying to figure out why something that isn't bothering them at an Fe or Ti level keeps coming to their mind, it can be helpful for them to recognize if there's a specific value they hold that isn't easily explained by their Fe or Ti.


    Most NiFe’s are people-watchers and they often end up being interested in sociology and psychology. They naturally see patterns in human behaviour and according to Nardi, their brains “harness all neocortex regions in order to 'realize' an answer...Each region offers a different perspective, and a zen-like synchronous state allows the person to reconcile various perspectives to arrive at a best-fit answer...Sometimes, when the brain’s regions offer highly divergent answers, no amount of triangulation can synthesize and answer.” Because of this, they can always point out the side to the conversation that isn’t being represented and may be accused of being devil’s advocates at times - an accusation they will often readily admit to.


    They can usually see why someone is coming from their own perspective, but they like to bring up alternative perspectives so the person can see it from a different point of view. If you’re close to one, you can trust an NiFe to tell you if they think you’re being stupid. Although it might not be surrounded by fluffy language to make you feel good, it’s likely they are doing it from a genuine place of caring about you.


    They can be outgoing when they need to be but not for extended periods of time without severe consequences. Being outgoing draws on their energy in an intense way because it’s forcing them to engage with their outer world. They tend to be very private, even with people they’re close to. If an NiFe tells you their secrets, it’s a deep honor, they do not trust until it’s been earned. You may observe an NiFe walking around with headphones in, completely avoiding eye contact or speaking with you if at all possible. This could be at home, at work, or out in public. If possible, do not disturb the NiFe in this state, they need time in this inner head space to function.


    They are quirky and tend to draw other quirky people. Although they might feel very strongly that they are the least interesting person on the planet at times, it’s not uncommon for them to give off the vibe that they’re the most interesting person in the room unintentionally. This is usually because their hair and choice of clothes tends to have a lot more personality to it than the average person, and because they are usually either the one quietly making hilarious sarcastic comments or chilling in the corner by themselves with a dark and mysterious vibe to them. They really like being different and often discover new musicians, books, and films before they become popular. It can be quite irritating to them when the thing they’ve enjoyed in private is suddenly everywhere.


    They overwhelmingly feel that their inner world is vastly more fascinating and colourful than the world around them, and they struggle to convey anywhere near the level of detail, beauty, or simply the humor of what they’re experiencing in their mind in a way that does it justice. They often feel that the way they portray themselves to the world is really lame. They often lament that they don’t “do” anything and are genuinely confused when people think they’re fascinating.
    They also tend to need to talk through their thoughts or at least externalize them by writing them out to feel like they’re fully fleshed out. Generally the thoughts in their head exist in a very abstract form, so talking through them or writing them down can help to solidify them. They may find it frustrating at times if people assume that the thoughts they’re sharing are fully formed and decided on, especially if they’re expressed with emotion and therefore assumed to be intensely solid beliefs. Often they’re just talking to work out a thought and they haven’t quite arrived at a conclusion yet.
    As NiFe’s get older, they tend to get warmer. They are less afraid of caring and showing how much they care, and less concerned with keeping people at a distance. They also get better at not accidentally giving the impression that they’re bored, arrogant, or judging everyone when in a group setting.


    It’s important for the NiFe to not spend too much of their day in an environment that demands their focus on real world details that don’t have a clear and obvious structure to them. They naturally operate well in circumstances where they know exactly what they’re meant to do in concrete terms. However, because Se is last while Ni is driving, if they have yet to be trained on exactly how to do something and it’s not clear to them intuitively, they may freeze up. This is because Ni can see so many ways of doing the same thing that they can struggle to pick one option over the other. As they age and develop their Fe, they tend to get better at just picking an option and going with it and then analyzing it afterwards to see if a change needs to be made the next time around.


    It’s not uncommon for them to have strong abilities that they don’t really show off to people. You may be surprised to stumble across a piece of their writing and learn that an NiFe you know is an incredible writer but never mentioned it to you before or attempted to share their work with anyone. They can be sensitive to how they’re perceived based on the way they express themselves, and often over analyze comments that are made about their appearance or performance. Given their strong need for privacy for their innermost thoughts, they’re generally uncomfortable with sharing self-expression when it’s very personal to them and they’re one of the most likely types to have a form of artistic expression that they engage in solely for their own enjoyment.


    Too much time being forced to engage with the real world can get really exhausting for NiFe’s. Finding ways to minimize this drain is a good way to allow them to focus their creative abilities on the things they are best at. One of the biggest drains is when real world things are unstable (like not having enough money to pay the bills) and the NiFe needs to think about all the little practical details of staying alive, it can be especially stressful. Having to actively think about finding work, doing paperwork, playing the social games, cooking their food, and making money can get old really fast. Another common drain can be having a lot of emotional demands from people around them that they simply don’t have the energy to meet.


    https://www.typeinmind.com/nife/



     

    1. Fi - introverted Feeling


    Although it’s referred to as “Feeling”, Fi is not internal emotions, but rather values that come from within. FiNe’s might experience a deep well of emotions, but this is not the root of Fi. It is a decision making-process that is very interested in determining its own moral code and what the FiNe’s gut instinct tells them is right, which is often based on how they would like to be treated themselves. They tend to be very considerate of others, and may take a long time to mull over their own beliefs to make sure they seem right. The values-refining process can take quite a bit of time and requires mental solitude. Fi generally puts authenticity in high esteem and is repulsed by anything that seems fabricated or shallow.


    2. Ne - extroverted iNtuition


    Ne is the main way FiNe’s take in information. This means they use their intuition to find patterns, underlying principles, and ideas, and to form connections as they talk, write, or create. Ne flourishes when given new, interesting concepts to consider and consistently seeks out new inspiration from the outside world. For the FiNe, Ne is paired with Fi and “serves” it in the sense that it comes after it in terms of preference. This means that Ne will most often be used to explore values and ideals in all of their facets. Because Ne is extroverted, it primarily works by engaging with outside sources. This may look like having discussions with others who are also open to exploring the possibilities of a topic, or doing a lot of self-expression through writing or an art form.


    3. Si - introverted Sensing


    Si is the FiNe’s third function, and it gives a sense of solidity to their Fi beliefs. Si also makes the Fi-led internal world structured and detailed. When it comes to values that they have had adequate time to develop, they tend to have a solid sense of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. A lot of their perception in these cases is based on their personal experiences. This is because Si places a high value on real world experiences and its impressions of them. FiNe’s store all the interesting experiences and information they gather in their mind in an organized way for future reference.


    4. Te - extroverted Thinking


    Te is the FiNe’s inferior function. This function may be their achilles heel, and is inherently not as strong as their other functions because their highest priority and focus is on Fi. Te is a very logic-oriented way of problem solving. It is the side of them that naturally looks to find a better solution to a problem, improve the efficiency of a process, or critique and refine what is already in place. FiNe’s generally prefer only to use Te only when necessary, rather than to make all of their decisions. Overuse of an inferior function can be very draining, and may be unhealthy when constantly given priority over other functions.


    Dominant Function and Core of the Internal World:


    Introverted Feeling


    Fi-dominant types are very warm and caring to those they are close to, especially because they may subconsciously believe that everyone has an inner world similar to theirs. However, they take a while to open up to people, and aren’t likely to approach someone unless that person strikes their interest in some way. Once they let someone into their world, they are likely to keep that connection open as long as harmony remains between the two. For example, if the other person shows themselves to be inauthentic or living out a strong opposition to a value the FiNe holds, the FiNe will retreat from the relationship. As long as those principles aren’t violated, the FiNe will likely be attached to that person for life, whether or not they see them regularly.


    FiNe’s are masters of self-care and typically great at putting healthy boundaries in place. They are very empathetic people, so they see the needs of others and want to care for them. However, healthy FiNe’s know that they cannot effectively care for others unless they first care for themselves. They know their limits and aren’t usually afraid of saying ‘no’ when they aren’t able to do something or fit something into their lives.


    Fi differs from Fe (extroverted Feeling) because Fe is is focused externally and is constantly asking, “How does the group feel about this?”, whereas Fi is focused internally and is constantly asking, “How do I feel about this?” Once their own needs are met, FiNe’s also tend to hone in on one or two significant relationships. They naturally take care of these people and treat them like family. These people could be a romantic partner, a best friend, etc.


    FiNe’s are highly protective of their ‘inner circle’, feeling that those they share the intimate details of their persona with are in some ways part of themselves. They will not hesitate to defend themselves or those they are close to if they are attacked or threatened.


    FiNe’s are extremely self-aware and spend a lot of time on self-reflection. They are very concerned with the depth and nuances of their values system and spend a large amount of their mental space clarifying, sifting, and refining their beliefs. This process can be very connected to deep emotions for FiNe’s. They might find themselves laughing or crying at the beauty of a seemingly random object that has meaning to them, while bystanders who notice their reaction might be quite confused at their sudden outburst. For some FiNe’s, their emotions run so deep that there have to have been a lot of feelings building under the surface for quite some time before they will burst forth. They tend to seek out things (movies, books, etc.) that will engage their emotions, because following characters they care about through an emotional journey can be very rewarding.


    It’s worth noting that when we talking about Feeling (Fi or Fe) as a cognitive function, we do not necessarily refer to emotions. Emotional experiences or expressions can be related to Feeling (Fe or Fi), but they are not the root cause of the cognitive Feeling. The root of Fi or Fe boils down to a person’s values, meaning what a person thinks is important based on their own conscience and the reasons they believe it’s important. An FiNe’s moral code is derived from what their conscience or "gut instinct" tells them is right, and they generally treat others the way they want to be treated. This Fi value is not based in emotions, but neither does it need to be 100% logical. It is not overly concerned with the REASON behind treating others fairly… It simply ‘feels’ like the good and right thing to do because they themselves want to be treated fairly.


    The FiNe’s driving instinct is to achieve inner harmony by remaining true to themselves, their own values, and minimizing the influence that external factors (societal expectations, and maybe even the opinions of friends and family) have on their values. They may love discussing or even debating their values with others, as long as they are able to remain true to themselves while doing so. After a lengthy discussion, FiNe’s need time by themselves to evaluate the conversation and consider what the other person said and how they might fit it into their value system.


    FiNe’s find their own principles to be trustworthy and valuable, and are inherently skeptical of others that try to impose on them. If something does not line up with their beliefs, they cannot act in accordance with it. To go against their own values is to cause inner discord, which FiNe’s can’t tolerate for long.


    FiNe’s can get lost in their own world of trying to figure out what a stranger, who is sitting 20 feet away from them in a coffee shop, is thinking, how their day is going, what their life must be like, etc. They love people watching, but aren’t typically interesting in getting up close and personal with most people as they feel pressured to react and respond appropriately in real interactions. They may even Imagine a conversation with someone rather than actually speaking to them in real life, as imaginary people don’t have demands or expectations of them.


    FiNe’s tend to have an active imagination well into adulthood. Fi-doms are very concerned with The Story of/behind various things. For example, they might see a large, sturdy tree and wonder how long it’s been there, and try to imagine the events it’s been around for, or who else sat in its shade, what wisdom might be attached to or inside of that tree, etc. They automatically look for meaning everywhere - in books, movies, a passing remark from a friend, a special cup they like to use, or even why a certain tree was planted in a certain place.


    FiNe’s tend to assign meaning to everything. Because they are so involved with and entangled in the depth and nuance of the meaning of everything, and how the meaning of something relates to everything else, it can become incredibly captivated by the right idea or story. When something sparks their imagination, or taps into an aspect of meaning that carries a lot of weight with an FiNe, they become entranced by the story or idea. The process of a story unfolding can be more meaningful to an FiNe than the sum of the story’s parts.




    Second Function and the Core of the External World:


    Extroverted iNtuition


    FiNe’s have a very abstract way of looking at the world. Ne is their second function, and it makes them naturally oriented toward theories, patterns, and new ideas or principles.


    FiNe’s have a world of theories that are swirling around at any given time, and it’s important for them to have time alone in order to develop them. Their best ideas will usually come when they have a sense of inner peace and enough inspiration. Many FiNe’s find mindfulness, meditation, or another form of intentional relaxation to be useful for obtaining peace.


    FiNe’s can find inspiration in almost anything, because their Fi finds meaning in everything. As far as inspiration goes, learning interestings things, reading interesting books, taking a walk, or having a good conversation are all common stimuli. For the ideas that have had some time to percolate, they need to have places for output. Whether it’s writing, speaking, teaching, building, designing, or something else, it’s important to have a space to string together their ideas in a unique way. This can also help them to refine and perfect the expression of their ideas. While they may feel like they understand something fully in their head, and they often make great teachers, they may not be as adept at explaining things to others without previous practice.


    FiNe’s love novelty. They are always looking for a new shiny puzzle to solve or a new thing to learn about. They can get bored with something after reaching a basic level of competence. Even still, FiNe’s often have one or two things that remain as a thread throughout their lives - the things that are most meaningful to them, which they have never found boring. It’s likely they will eventually become an expert in these areas if they don’t lapse for too long in their study or practice of them.


    FiNe’s love considering ideas, possibilities, and the future. They are less concerned with “what is” or the current moment. It can be tough for FiNe’s to savour the moment and to celebrate their successes as they naturally look at what they need to do next.




    Third Function and Supporting Role in the Internal World:


    Introverted Sensing


    Si is all about how real world, 5-senses (seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, and smelling) experiences affect FiNe’s. They value their own experiences very highly, and typically have a very good memory or catalogue of details about their experiences that they deem important stored away. FiNe’s tend to very nostalgic and sentimental about things that hold deep meaning for them. Perhaps they like having a certain kind of cake on their birthday every year because their mother made it for them growing up, or they might be very attached to certain objects that mean something to them.


    FiNe’s value vastly different 'traditions' or rituals from most people, and demonstrate them in less obvious ways. To put it another way, their traditions are often not very ‘traditional’. At times get into a good daily rhythm that they unconsciously follow. it’s easiest for them to keep going on this rhythm in their day to day life and it helps them feel more balanced. However, when something interrupts their rhythm, they might have trouble picking it up again once the interruption ends.


    Their internal world is pretty ‘set’ and solid-feeling as they enter adulthood. A lot of their basic values have been decided fairly early on, and they fall back on these until new experiences, ideas, or realizations cause them to reevaluate certain values. They may consider themselves to be pretty open-minded. However, when faced with a new principle that they have no experience with, they will need a lot of time to themselves to evaluate their stance on the subject. Once they have had adequate time to consider the matter, even if they don’t have it figured out 100%, they feel better knowing that they have reached some level of understanding within themselves.


    Si is a very detail oriented function that makes FiNe’s confident in using solutions that have worked in the past, and they can use this to their advantage when necessary to stay organized in their job, at home, or in any hobby that requires detailed organization and quick-solution problem solving. FiNe’s tend to have a good balance when it comes to choosing between applying a new innovation and a previously successful solution.




    Last Function and the Supporting Role of the Internal World:


    Extroverted Thinking


    Te is a process that allows FiNe’s to take in information from the real world, make quick decisions on what the most effective solution is, and put that solution into play right away. This is the weakest, achilles’ heel part of the FiNe. Although it would be exhausting and unhealthy for them to rely on this aspect of themselves all the time, they can pull out their troubleshooting skills when necessary to get a job done effectively.


    While FiNe’s prefer to take their time on decision making, it isn’t always possible or practical. In these situations, it’s useful to have Te so that they can make quick, in-the-moment decisions. Because they are relying on their ‘gut instinct’ Fi internal compass in the background, they can feel comfortable with their decision even if they can’t articulate a solid reason for it at the time. For example, if they have the sense that someone they see walking down the street could be harmful to them in some way, they don’t have time to untangle why they have that feeling. They just know they don’t feel safe next to this person, and the best solution is the cross the street or take a detour in order to avoid them.


    In a lot of cases, Te is the protector function of the FiNe. When one of their values comes under attack, they have no problem using a direct, matter-of-fact Te communication style to defend what they feel is right. When they feel so strongly about a subject that they know they must take action on it, they tap into this part of themselves that is powerful and commanding to take a stand for that what they believe is right. Te can also be the part of FiNe’s that tells them to just pick something (a career, a hobby, an outfit, etc) and stick with it, at least for a short period of time. It’s the smaller part of FiNe’s that pushes them to come to a conclusion and be decisive. If it was purely up to their Fi, they would contemplate how they feel about it forever.


    An FiNe who is forced to act out of this Te problem-solving, critiquing side of their persona for a large portion of their time (for work, or parenting, etc) is likely to become burnt out, and might experience decision fatigue very quickly. They generally do best when they can allow someone else to take over the decision-making in at least part of their life. If they must make all the decisions in their job, and all the parenting decisions, and all the relationship decisions, etc., then when it comes time for simple, self care decisions like deciding what to eat for dinner or what route to take home from work, they are already exhausted and will struggle to know what they want.


    FiNe’s best use their Te when there is already a system in place, as it is easiest for them to use the simplest version of Te - critiquing and refining. When something is already in place and needs improvement, it can be easier to analyze it and see the solution. When starting from scratch, FiNe’s might have lots of ideas, but the act of putting systems and and structures of efficiency into place is harder for them.

    https://www.typeinmind.com/fine/

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     




  8. #8
    IQ over 150 vesstheastralsilky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2018
    TIM
    INxJ Hybrid
    Posts
    1,486
    Mentioned
    73 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I have also found many Socionics descriptions to be likewise mixed for nearly all types.
    ~* astralsilky

    4w5 that morphed into a 3w2 sx/sp
    Cancer Sun, Cancer/Leo Moon, Libra Ascendant, Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Sun conjunct Moon, Saturn conjunct Mercury conjunct MC in 10th, Jupiter handle of bucket pattern squares Nodes, Uranus biquintile Jupiter, Neptune sextile Ascendant, Lilith trine Ascendant, Venus in Gemini/Cancer in 9th house conjunct MC, Venus trine Uranus, Uranus conjunct Spica, Ascendant conjunct SuperGalactic Center, Sun inconjunct Galactic Center.

    Each essence is a separate glass,
    Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
    Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
    A thousand colors, but the Light is One.

    Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet

  9. #9
    Queen of the Damned Aylen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    MACS0647-JD
    TIM
    psyche 4w5 sx/sp
    Posts
    10,595
    Mentioned
    851 Post(s)
    Tagged
    42 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    THIS! Thank you. In MBTI I'm INFP and in socionics I am EII because of this.
    Her post compared how she sees IEI (Ni/Fe) and IEE Ne/Fi) so how does that make you type EII? Do you mean you ruled out IEI and IEE? Have you tried any of the socionics tests available and read the different profiles for both types?

    https://www.sociotype.com/tests/

    http://aimtoknow.com/test_beta

    Last resort is go to sol and make video. He will just know if you are EII.
    Last edited by Aylen; 02-02-2019 at 08:28 PM.

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     




  10. #10

    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    292
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Her post compared how she sees IEI (Ni/Fe) and IEE Ne/Fi) so how does that make you type EII? Do you mean you ruled out IEI and IEE? Have you tried any of the socionics tests available and read the different profiles for both types?

    https://www.sociotype.com/tests/

    http://aimtoknow.com/test_beta

    Last resort is go to sol and make video. He will just know if you are EII.
    It's how I know I'm not Ni Fe and use Fi Ne over Ni Fe. Even though they way she described it the order is different there's still similarities. I took a socinics test and got EII, but the test is so obvious if you know socionics you can literally tell what answers will lead to what type. the descprtions of EII and IEI on the site are a mixture of MBTI INFP/INFJ.

  11. #11

    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    292
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    @Beautiful sky

    Thanks for posting.

    I agree that INFJ/P descriptions are often a mix, in MBTI, of both IEI and EII. Most descriptions are behavioral but so are many socionics descriptions. Those coming from MBTI are probably better off starting fresh.


    This site tries to break it down into cognitive functions at least so I am interested in which ones the self typed EII and IEI relate to most here.

     
    1. Ni - internal iNtuition


    Ni is the way that an NiFe perceives their inner world, it dictates the way they store information and how they perceive that information. It also heavily dictates the path that their train of thought will take. Ni tends to store information in a spread out way with all the pieces of data having connections of various strengths to multiple additional pieces of data. This creates a dense web-like mass of information that is too large to be viewed in detail as a whole, but can be zoomed in on to show intricate clusters and threads of thoughts. This network of data rests slightly outside of the conscious mind, giving Ni a dreamlike quality that is equally likely to be experienced in images and impressions as it is to produce concrete facts. Because the focus of the Ni perception is constantly scanning the whole but also frequently zooming in on various thoughts and feelings and changing angles on a subject, Ni dominant people tend to experience their inner world as constantly fluctuating.


    2. Fe - external Feeling


    Fe is the NiFe’s first extroverted function, so this is the function that the NiFe is most likely to use when interacting with the outer world and it is the filter through which they receive communication from the rest of the world. Fe is also the way that the NiFe processes their emotions. This function serves Ni and is primarily focused on other people.


    3. Ti - internal Thinking


    Ti makes decisions based on logic and operates internally. Ti helps to stabilize the shifty nature of Ni and helps the NiFe to interpret their Ni connections in a sensible way. This function can help them to fully understand the connections that Ni makes outside of the conscious realm.


    4. Se – external Sensing


    Se is the NiFe’s last and least developed function. This function is what perceives the outer world as stable, concrete, and structured. It’s also the function that helps an NiFe to be aware of their surroundings, appreciate beauty, be fully present in the moment, and feel connected to the physical world. This function is operating at a low level on the NiFe’s awareness radar and gives them only the minimum input required for the tasks they are doing unless the NiFe actively engages this function. Unfortunately for the NiFe, they can experience the outer world as overwhelming and stressful if they spend too much time actively taking in outside stimulus, or if real world facts and data escalate to an intensity that demands the NiFe’s full focus.


    THE INNER WORLD


    An NiFe often feels like their whole brain is working at once. On good days, it feels like smooth and cohesive movements of data headed to a single point on a horizon of discovery, but in times of stress, it seems more like a chaotic whirlwind of thoughts and emotions. For the young NiFe, they may feel like spectators of this process rather than active participants, however as they mature, they will be able to exert more control and direction over this process.


    Ni is primarily concerned with analysis and thought more for the experience of stretching its own perspectives rather than for the formation of firm conclusions. While they like to know where they stand on some issues, they tend to be comfortable with paradoxes and the unknowable more than other types. Ni is mainly focused either on the future, or things in the present that remain unknown or un-provable (for example: other people’s motives, the true origin of the universe, how will that cliffhanger on their favorite show be resolved).


    According to work of neuroscientist Dario Nardi, individuals who lead with Ni tend to access their brain in a holistic way, engaging multiple areas of their brain and synchronizing those regions in a rhythmic, and tranquil pattern that is usually associated with the brain activity one would expect to see from an individual who is thinking in their area of expertise, however, for the NiFe, this is what happens to their brain when they encounter a new problem or concept. Because of this, they need to take on new challenges to their thinking regularly.


    They often require a certain standard of security in their outer world because they need the freedom of the full use of their faculties as they are constantly expanding their inner universe. Unlike those with Ne who often feel uninspired unless they have a steady influx of new experiences, Ni users do not need a constant stream of novel stimuli to have new epiphanies. One or two simple but meaningful encounters with the outside world might be all the Ni user needs to come up with an intricate plot for a screenplay or an idea for a life-saving invention.


    NiFe’s tend to have a rather large “working memory,” meaning that they can retain active consciousness of a large number of facts or details for immediate use. In the short term, they can have a remarkably accurate memory showing a great attention to detail, while still retaining the big picture. However, if they spend too much time trying to hold multiple perspectives and a wide array of details in their mind, they will suffer from internal overstimulation; this can even lead to moments of panic or feeling trapped inside of one’s head. It can also be a huge killer of the NiFe’s natural creativity.


    They must learn to identify when they are approaching detail overload. When this happens, it helps to externally record thoughts (in a journal, planner, to do list, or by telling another person). Externally recording thoughts allows them to release the thought into long term storage, knowing that they are more likely to be able to recall it later. Or, if they feel they have adequately addressed the matter, it allows them to “delete” the info completely.


    Another feature of Ni is that it tends to bring up needed insight and stored information at exactly the right time, without much effort to consciously recall what is needed. Unfortunately, this automatic drive to bring relevant information into the forefront of consciousness can result in negative patterns, like over analyzing problems that have no immediate solution to the point that they can become fixated or obsessively worried. Ni makes it very difficult to put a problem “out of their mind” or compartmentalize their thoughts. They will often find themselves pulled back to the unresolved issue until they can solve it. Coping techniques include designating a later time to process, reaching out for support as soon as possible, distraction, and meditation/prayer.


    Ni is the main source creativity in these individuals. They have a highly developed inner world that will generally remain largely private to them. A strong mind’s eye and vivid imagination make NiFe’s the rulers of the daydream. While they can go overboard with this trait, a bit of positive and intentional daydreaming is normal and healthy for them.


    NiFe’s tend to feel the pull of their second function as a steady undercurrent to the direction that their thoughts take. They are fascinated by the intricacies of human interactions. They have a deep desire to not only understand but to relate to other people. They may ponder for days what the real meaning of an off-hand comment was, or they might dissect another person’s life choices from afar. While this may seem to other types as some kind of strange obsession or judgmental intrusion, it is actually a normal manifestation of the NiFe’s desire to know others deeply.


    Fe is an external function, but for an NiFe, it impacts their inner world by drawing their focus to real life people and situations. Fe causes the Ni to ponder real life people, questions, and events in an imaginative way. They typically prefer to focus on people and projects that serve people. Especially when dealing with matters of great emotional importance, Fe’s absorption of the intangible emotional vibes in an environment usually determines where Ni will focus.


    While connections with other people are important to them, they often struggle to switch back and forth between using their inner functions (Ni and Ti) and their outer functions (Fe and Se). The NiFe may feel social anxiety due to this difficulty or fear they may be seen as awkward, nervous, or flustered.


    The presence of Fe in an NiFe’s life is often experienced as a blessing and a curse. When they sense the emotions of other people, Ni’s vague, impressionistic nature often means that they don’t always clearly perceive origins and reasons for their emotional impressions. This is especially true for young NiFe’s who may not be able to clearly define why they dislike being around certain people or put in certain situations. It is the development of Ti that allows them to retrace the steps that Ni traversed subconsciously.


    Ti often helps with the “untangling” process of NiFe’s more mysterious impressions. It helps to ground, narrow down, and make sense of the random thoughts. Ti often utilizes the real life, concrete, Se facts to help steer Ni in a more rational direction. Although Ti is normally used in the service of Ni and Fe, NiFe’s often enjoy activities that give Ti freedom to explore on it’s own. With ample alone time and challenging topics to think about, they tend to find that Ni with Ti leads to mental pursuits that encompass both creativity and logic. Strategizing, planning, problem analysis, and complex designing go well when they are allowed to take their time.


    Ni and Ti together make for an imaginative, curious, and mischievous inner world. Ti can trip up an NiFe when it is too heavily relied on in emotion-based situations. In emotionally/relationally threatening situations where key facts regarding intentions or motives are unknown to the NiFe, they can can become overly analytical, critical, assuming, and cold. This is a result of Ni and Ti teaming up without fully acknowledging how much they really don’t know about the situation.


    The final function in the NiFe’s main stack is Se. Se impacts the NiFe in positive and negative ways. Generally speaking, problems with Se arise when they are not getting enough time alone, when their outer environment is not sufficiently peaceful and secure, when the Se stimulus they are getting is stressful, empty, or negative, and when they are required to use their Se in intense ways or for prolonged periods of time. Se overload is inevitable at various life stages. The development of self awareness, proper boundaries, sufficient alone time, and healthy habits all go a long way in keeping them from burning out from Se overload.


    However, when an NiFe has small doses of positive Se on a regular basis, they actually gain energy, insight, and happiness from Se experiences. This is why simple, healthy, natural Se pursuits (athletic, artistic, tactile, epicurean, sensual, etc.) can be very positive for the NiFe and help to relieve stress. The older and more experienced an NiFe is, the better they are at maintaining control over their Se rather than allowing it to overwhelm them.


    THE OUTER WORLD


    NiFe’s are among those types who are highly adaptable in their behavior, but at the same time often very reserved. These two traits in combination make an NiFe hard to identify by those who don’t know them well. It can actually be quite tough for NiFe’s to know how they’re perceived by other people, as more than nearly any other type, they spend a lot of time in their heads.


    In fact, after 3 pages about the inner world, our NiFe co-author got stuck trying to describe the outer world of the NiFe. So from here, your friendly resident TiNe will pick up and do his best to do justice to the mysterious and fascinating NiFe.
    Fe distinctly causes NiFe’s to be drawn to people. They find people absolutely fascinating...but nearly always from a distance. After socializing, even with close friends, they need long breaks. They study people with an intensity that’s rarely matched by any other type. They often find themselves caring about and even wanting to defend people groups who are being oppressed - whether or not they have any personal connection to them. They have a low tolerance for people who put down others for any reason.


    It can be a struggle for NiFe’s to care so much for people - not just those close to them, but entire people groups. It tends to be quite exhausting when you exert so much emotional energy caring about so many people and yet don’t necessarily have the energy to actually do anything to help or defend them. This heavily external focus also often means that they don’t have an easy time knowing and expressing their own needs in relationships.


    When it comes to determining values, it's pretty easy for an NiFe to say "I don't like that because it doesn't make any sense" (using Ti to make a logical assessment), or "I don't like that because it hurts other people or violates a collective value" with Fe, but it's harder for an NiFe to say, "I don't like that because I believe it's wrong, even though it isn't obviously hurting someone," which is more like an Fi judgment.


    Everyone has deep Fi-style values to some extent, even if they don’t actively use Fi as a function. When an NiFe person is trying to figure out why something that isn't bothering them at an Fe or Ti level keeps coming to their mind, it can be helpful for them to recognize if there's a specific value they hold that isn't easily explained by their Fe or Ti.


    Most NiFe’s are people-watchers and they often end up being interested in sociology and psychology. They naturally see patterns in human behaviour and according to Nardi, their brains “harness all neocortex regions in order to 'realize' an answer...Each region offers a different perspective, and a zen-like synchronous state allows the person to reconcile various perspectives to arrive at a best-fit answer...Sometimes, when the brain’s regions offer highly divergent answers, no amount of triangulation can synthesize and answer.” Because of this, they can always point out the side to the conversation that isn’t being represented and may be accused of being devil’s advocates at times - an accusation they will often readily admit to.


    They can usually see why someone is coming from their own perspective, but they like to bring up alternative perspectives so the person can see it from a different point of view. If you’re close to one, you can trust an NiFe to tell you if they think you’re being stupid. Although it might not be surrounded by fluffy language to make you feel good, it’s likely they are doing it from a genuine place of caring about you.


    They can be outgoing when they need to be but not for extended periods of time without severe consequences. Being outgoing draws on their energy in an intense way because it’s forcing them to engage with their outer world. They tend to be very private, even with people they’re close to. If an NiFe tells you their secrets, it’s a deep honor, they do not trust until it’s been earned. You may observe an NiFe walking around with headphones in, completely avoiding eye contact or speaking with you if at all possible. This could be at home, at work, or out in public. If possible, do not disturb the NiFe in this state, they need time in this inner head space to function.


    They are quirky and tend to draw other quirky people. Although they might feel very strongly that they are the least interesting person on the planet at times, it’s not uncommon for them to give off the vibe that they’re the most interesting person in the room unintentionally. This is usually because their hair and choice of clothes tends to have a lot more personality to it than the average person, and because they are usually either the one quietly making hilarious sarcastic comments or chilling in the corner by themselves with a dark and mysterious vibe to them. They really like being different and often discover new musicians, books, and films before they become popular. It can be quite irritating to them when the thing they’ve enjoyed in private is suddenly everywhere.


    They overwhelmingly feel that their inner world is vastly more fascinating and colourful than the world around them, and they struggle to convey anywhere near the level of detail, beauty, or simply the humor of what they’re experiencing in their mind in a way that does it justice. They often feel that the way they portray themselves to the world is really lame. They often lament that they don’t “do” anything and are genuinely confused when people think they’re fascinating.
    They also tend to need to talk through their thoughts or at least externalize them by writing them out to feel like they’re fully fleshed out. Generally the thoughts in their head exist in a very abstract form, so talking through them or writing them down can help to solidify them. They may find it frustrating at times if people assume that the thoughts they’re sharing are fully formed and decided on, especially if they’re expressed with emotion and therefore assumed to be intensely solid beliefs. Often they’re just talking to work out a thought and they haven’t quite arrived at a conclusion yet.
    As NiFe’s get older, they tend to get warmer. They are less afraid of caring and showing how much they care, and less concerned with keeping people at a distance. They also get better at not accidentally giving the impression that they’re bored, arrogant, or judging everyone when in a group setting.


    It’s important for the NiFe to not spend too much of their day in an environment that demands their focus on real world details that don’t have a clear and obvious structure to them. They naturally operate well in circumstances where they know exactly what they’re meant to do in concrete terms. However, because Se is last while Ni is driving, if they have yet to be trained on exactly how to do something and it’s not clear to them intuitively, they may freeze up. This is because Ni can see so many ways of doing the same thing that they can struggle to pick one option over the other. As they age and develop their Fe, they tend to get better at just picking an option and going with it and then analyzing it afterwards to see if a change needs to be made the next time around.


    It’s not uncommon for them to have strong abilities that they don’t really show off to people. You may be surprised to stumble across a piece of their writing and learn that an NiFe you know is an incredible writer but never mentioned it to you before or attempted to share their work with anyone. They can be sensitive to how they’re perceived based on the way they express themselves, and often over analyze comments that are made about their appearance or performance. Given their strong need for privacy for their innermost thoughts, they’re generally uncomfortable with sharing self-expression when it’s very personal to them and they’re one of the most likely types to have a form of artistic expression that they engage in solely for their own enjoyment.


    Too much time being forced to engage with the real world can get really exhausting for NiFe’s. Finding ways to minimize this drain is a good way to allow them to focus their creative abilities on the things they are best at. One of the biggest drains is when real world things are unstable (like not having enough money to pay the bills) and the NiFe needs to think about all the little practical details of staying alive, it can be especially stressful. Having to actively think about finding work, doing paperwork, playing the social games, cooking their food, and making money can get old really fast. Another common drain can be having a lot of emotional demands from people around them that they simply don’t have the energy to meet.


    https://www.typeinmind.com/nife/



     

    1. Fi - introverted Feeling


    Although it’s referred to as “Feeling”, Fi is not internal emotions, but rather values that come from within. FiNe’s might experience a deep well of emotions, but this is not the root of Fi. It is a decision making-process that is very interested in determining its own moral code and what the FiNe’s gut instinct tells them is right, which is often based on how they would like to be treated themselves. They tend to be very considerate of others, and may take a long time to mull over their own beliefs to make sure they seem right. The values-refining process can take quite a bit of time and requires mental solitude. Fi generally puts authenticity in high esteem and is repulsed by anything that seems fabricated or shallow.


    2. Ne - extroverted iNtuition


    Ne is the main way FiNe’s take in information. This means they use their intuition to find patterns, underlying principles, and ideas, and to form connections as they talk, write, or create. Ne flourishes when given new, interesting concepts to consider and consistently seeks out new inspiration from the outside world. For the FiNe, Ne is paired with Fi and “serves” it in the sense that it comes after it in terms of preference. This means that Ne will most often be used to explore values and ideals in all of their facets. Because Ne is extroverted, it primarily works by engaging with outside sources. This may look like having discussions with others who are also open to exploring the possibilities of a topic, or doing a lot of self-expression through writing or an art form.


    3. Si - introverted Sensing


    Si is the FiNe’s third function, and it gives a sense of solidity to their Fi beliefs. Si also makes the Fi-led internal world structured and detailed. When it comes to values that they have had adequate time to develop, they tend to have a solid sense of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. A lot of their perception in these cases is based on their personal experiences. This is because Si places a high value on real world experiences and its impressions of them. FiNe’s store all the interesting experiences and information they gather in their mind in an organized way for future reference.


    4. Te - extroverted Thinking


    Te is the FiNe’s inferior function. This function may be their achilles heel, and is inherently not as strong as their other functions because their highest priority and focus is on Fi. Te is a very logic-oriented way of problem solving. It is the side of them that naturally looks to find a better solution to a problem, improve the efficiency of a process, or critique and refine what is already in place. FiNe’s generally prefer only to use Te only when necessary, rather than to make all of their decisions. Overuse of an inferior function can be very draining, and may be unhealthy when constantly given priority over other functions.


    Dominant Function and Core of the Internal World:


    Introverted Feeling


    Fi-dominant types are very warm and caring to those they are close to, especially because they may subconsciously believe that everyone has an inner world similar to theirs. However, they take a while to open up to people, and aren’t likely to approach someone unless that person strikes their interest in some way. Once they let someone into their world, they are likely to keep that connection open as long as harmony remains between the two. For example, if the other person shows themselves to be inauthentic or living out a strong opposition to a value the FiNe holds, the FiNe will retreat from the relationship. As long as those principles aren’t violated, the FiNe will likely be attached to that person for life, whether or not they see them regularly.


    FiNe’s are masters of self-care and typically great at putting healthy boundaries in place. They are very empathetic people, so they see the needs of others and want to care for them. However, healthy FiNe’s know that they cannot effectively care for others unless they first care for themselves. They know their limits and aren’t usually afraid of saying ‘no’ when they aren’t able to do something or fit something into their lives.


    Fi differs from Fe (extroverted Feeling) because Fe is is focused externally and is constantly asking, “How does the group feel about this?”, whereas Fi is focused internally and is constantly asking, “How do I feel about this?” Once their own needs are met, FiNe’s also tend to hone in on one or two significant relationships. They naturally take care of these people and treat them like family. These people could be a romantic partner, a best friend, etc.


    FiNe’s are highly protective of their ‘inner circle’, feeling that those they share the intimate details of their persona with are in some ways part of themselves. They will not hesitate to defend themselves or those they are close to if they are attacked or threatened.


    FiNe’s are extremely self-aware and spend a lot of time on self-reflection. They are very concerned with the depth and nuances of their values system and spend a large amount of their mental space clarifying, sifting, and refining their beliefs. This process can be very connected to deep emotions for FiNe’s. They might find themselves laughing or crying at the beauty of a seemingly random object that has meaning to them, while bystanders who notice their reaction might be quite confused at their sudden outburst. For some FiNe’s, their emotions run so deep that there have to have been a lot of feelings building under the surface for quite some time before they will burst forth. They tend to seek out things (movies, books, etc.) that will engage their emotions, because following characters they care about through an emotional journey can be very rewarding.


    It’s worth noting that when we talking about Feeling (Fi or Fe) as a cognitive function, we do not necessarily refer to emotions. Emotional experiences or expressions can be related to Feeling (Fe or Fi), but they are not the root cause of the cognitive Feeling. The root of Fi or Fe boils down to a person’s values, meaning what a person thinks is important based on their own conscience and the reasons they believe it’s important. An FiNe’s moral code is derived from what their conscience or "gut instinct" tells them is right, and they generally treat others the way they want to be treated. This Fi value is not based in emotions, but neither does it need to be 100% logical. It is not overly concerned with the REASON behind treating others fairly… It simply ‘feels’ like the good and right thing to do because they themselves want to be treated fairly.


    The FiNe’s driving instinct is to achieve inner harmony by remaining true to themselves, their own values, and minimizing the influence that external factors (societal expectations, and maybe even the opinions of friends and family) have on their values. They may love discussing or even debating their values with others, as long as they are able to remain true to themselves while doing so. After a lengthy discussion, FiNe’s need time by themselves to evaluate the conversation and consider what the other person said and how they might fit it into their value system.


    FiNe’s find their own principles to be trustworthy and valuable, and are inherently skeptical of others that try to impose on them. If something does not line up with their beliefs, they cannot act in accordance with it. To go against their own values is to cause inner discord, which FiNe’s can’t tolerate for long.


    FiNe’s can get lost in their own world of trying to figure out what a stranger, who is sitting 20 feet away from them in a coffee shop, is thinking, how their day is going, what their life must be like, etc. They love people watching, but aren’t typically interesting in getting up close and personal with most people as they feel pressured to react and respond appropriately in real interactions. They may even Imagine a conversation with someone rather than actually speaking to them in real life, as imaginary people don’t have demands or expectations of them.


    FiNe’s tend to have an active imagination well into adulthood. Fi-doms are very concerned with The Story of/behind various things. For example, they might see a large, sturdy tree and wonder how long it’s been there, and try to imagine the events it’s been around for, or who else sat in its shade, what wisdom might be attached to or inside of that tree, etc. They automatically look for meaning everywhere - in books, movies, a passing remark from a friend, a special cup they like to use, or even why a certain tree was planted in a certain place.


    FiNe’s tend to assign meaning to everything. Because they are so involved with and entangled in the depth and nuance of the meaning of everything, and how the meaning of something relates to everything else, it can become incredibly captivated by the right idea or story. When something sparks their imagination, or taps into an aspect of meaning that carries a lot of weight with an FiNe, they become entranced by the story or idea. The process of a story unfolding can be more meaningful to an FiNe than the sum of the story’s parts.




    Second Function and the Core of the External World:


    Extroverted iNtuition


    FiNe’s have a very abstract way of looking at the world. Ne is their second function, and it makes them naturally oriented toward theories, patterns, and new ideas or principles.


    FiNe’s have a world of theories that are swirling around at any given time, and it’s important for them to have time alone in order to develop them. Their best ideas will usually come when they have a sense of inner peace and enough inspiration. Many FiNe’s find mindfulness, meditation, or another form of intentional relaxation to be useful for obtaining peace.


    FiNe’s can find inspiration in almost anything, because their Fi finds meaning in everything. As far as inspiration goes, learning interestings things, reading interesting books, taking a walk, or having a good conversation are all common stimuli. For the ideas that have had some time to percolate, they need to have places for output. Whether it’s writing, speaking, teaching, building, designing, or something else, it’s important to have a space to string together their ideas in a unique way. This can also help them to refine and perfect the expression of their ideas. While they may feel like they understand something fully in their head, and they often make great teachers, they may not be as adept at explaining things to others without previous practice.


    FiNe’s love novelty. They are always looking for a new shiny puzzle to solve or a new thing to learn about. They can get bored with something after reaching a basic level of competence. Even still, FiNe’s often have one or two things that remain as a thread throughout their lives - the things that are most meaningful to them, which they have never found boring. It’s likely they will eventually become an expert in these areas if they don’t lapse for too long in their study or practice of them.


    FiNe’s love considering ideas, possibilities, and the future. They are less concerned with “what is” or the current moment. It can be tough for FiNe’s to savour the moment and to celebrate their successes as they naturally look at what they need to do next.




    Third Function and Supporting Role in the Internal World:


    Introverted Sensing


    Si is all about how real world, 5-senses (seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, and smelling) experiences affect FiNe’s. They value their own experiences very highly, and typically have a very good memory or catalogue of details about their experiences that they deem important stored away. FiNe’s tend to very nostalgic and sentimental about things that hold deep meaning for them. Perhaps they like having a certain kind of cake on their birthday every year because their mother made it for them growing up, or they might be very attached to certain objects that mean something to them.


    FiNe’s value vastly different 'traditions' or rituals from most people, and demonstrate them in less obvious ways. To put it another way, their traditions are often not very ‘traditional’. At times get into a good daily rhythm that they unconsciously follow. it’s easiest for them to keep going on this rhythm in their day to day life and it helps them feel more balanced. However, when something interrupts their rhythm, they might have trouble picking it up again once the interruption ends.


    Their internal world is pretty ‘set’ and solid-feeling as they enter adulthood. A lot of their basic values have been decided fairly early on, and they fall back on these until new experiences, ideas, or realizations cause them to reevaluate certain values. They may consider themselves to be pretty open-minded. However, when faced with a new principle that they have no experience with, they will need a lot of time to themselves to evaluate their stance on the subject. Once they have had adequate time to consider the matter, even if they don’t have it figured out 100%, they feel better knowing that they have reached some level of understanding within themselves.


    Si is a very detail oriented function that makes FiNe’s confident in using solutions that have worked in the past, and they can use this to their advantage when necessary to stay organized in their job, at home, or in any hobby that requires detailed organization and quick-solution problem solving. FiNe’s tend to have a good balance when it comes to choosing between applying a new innovation and a previously successful solution.




    Last Function and the Supporting Role of the Internal World:


    Extroverted Thinking


    Te is a process that allows FiNe’s to take in information from the real world, make quick decisions on what the most effective solution is, and put that solution into play right away. This is the weakest, achilles’ heel part of the FiNe. Although it would be exhausting and unhealthy for them to rely on this aspect of themselves all the time, they can pull out their troubleshooting skills when necessary to get a job done effectively.


    While FiNe’s prefer to take their time on decision making, it isn’t always possible or practical. In these situations, it’s useful to have Te so that they can make quick, in-the-moment decisions. Because they are relying on their ‘gut instinct’ Fi internal compass in the background, they can feel comfortable with their decision even if they can’t articulate a solid reason for it at the time. For example, if they have the sense that someone they see walking down the street could be harmful to them in some way, they don’t have time to untangle why they have that feeling. They just know they don’t feel safe next to this person, and the best solution is the cross the street or take a detour in order to avoid them.


    In a lot of cases, Te is the protector function of the FiNe. When one of their values comes under attack, they have no problem using a direct, matter-of-fact Te communication style to defend what they feel is right. When they feel so strongly about a subject that they know they must take action on it, they tap into this part of themselves that is powerful and commanding to take a stand for that what they believe is right. Te can also be the part of FiNe’s that tells them to just pick something (a career, a hobby, an outfit, etc) and stick with it, at least for a short period of time. It’s the smaller part of FiNe’s that pushes them to come to a conclusion and be decisive. If it was purely up to their Fi, they would contemplate how they feel about it forever.


    An FiNe who is forced to act out of this Te problem-solving, critiquing side of their persona for a large portion of their time (for work, or parenting, etc) is likely to become burnt out, and might experience decision fatigue very quickly. They generally do best when they can allow someone else to take over the decision-making in at least part of their life. If they must make all the decisions in their job, and all the parenting decisions, and all the relationship decisions, etc., then when it comes time for simple, self care decisions like deciding what to eat for dinner or what route to take home from work, they are already exhausted and will struggle to know what they want.


    FiNe’s best use their Te when there is already a system in place, as it is easiest for them to use the simplest version of Te - critiquing and refining. When something is already in place and needs improvement, it can be easier to analyze it and see the solution. When starting from scratch, FiNe’s might have lots of ideas, but the act of putting systems and and structures of efficiency into place is harder for them.

    https://www.typeinmind.com/fine/
    Just reading a little of the inner life of the Ni Fe sounds too fufu, pie in the sky, yoga weird to me.

    Fi makes sense to me. Being really adaptable in an environment (as it says in the outer life for INFJ), those moments are rare for me, I'm mostly at odds with ppl as I feel they probably don't share my personal values so I wouldn't get along with them. But when I meet ppl who share my personal values then I change my whole view of the person and see them as someone I can get along with.

    Honestly the MBTI descriptions work more for me as I relate almost 100% to the INFP one, and on socionics I relate like 90% to IEI one because it's almost the same as the MBTI INFP description. But the IEI functions no, Ni no, Ne ignoring no, Fi yes, Ne hell yes. Functions > descriptions for me.

    People keep trying to say "oh you might be wrong about your type because...." And sure, anybody can be wrong, but at some point you just know, and it's silly to keep considering some other type. I'm at that point, I just know now, it's not arrogance either, it's exhaustion. And after reading just a little of those 2 descriptions it's the SAME OLD THING I've read time and time again, like this isn't new information, and MBTI says alot of the same thing, INFJ descriptions sounding fufu and INFP descriptions sounding like "how tf do they know that about me".

    But the function descriptions are the ones that really sell it, singular focus and ideas or whatever are boring to me as I like to swim in the many possibilities and often come up with new ideas based off old ideas the worst thing to do is to kill all those new ideas for just one idea. and Fe's focus on other people is something I see other people do but not myself. I relate more to caring about those that are close than entire groups of ppl. Blah, I'm saying all this to say I know what I am, I've read and looked enough and it all comes out the same. Fi/Ne, whatever type it's called in whatever system, those are my 2 best things I got.


    EDIT:

    I just read both descriptions fully, I'm 100% confident I am EII/MBTI INFP once again. When I read the INFJ one there were moments where I was like "hm, I didn't know Ni was like that, I didn't know INFJs do that, maybe I'm INFJ." Then I read the INFP one, line after line sounded like my life, so much to the point that I think an INFP wrote that description because it's too informed.
    Last edited by Lord Pixel; 02-03-2019 at 07:48 AM.

  12. #12
    Queen of the Damned Aylen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    MACS0647-JD
    TIM
    psyche 4w5 sx/sp
    Posts
    10,595
    Mentioned
    851 Post(s)
    Tagged
    42 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    It's how I know I'm not Ni Fe and use Fi Ne over Ni Fe. Even though they way she described it the order is different there's still similarities. I took a socinics test and got EII, but the test is so obvious if you know socionics you can literally tell what answers will lead to what type. the descprtions of EII and IEI on the site are a mixture of MBTI INFP/INFJ.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Just reading a little of the inner life of the Ni Fe sounds too fufu, pie in the sky, yoga weird to me.

    Fi makes sense to me. Being really adaptable in an environment (as it says in the outer life for INFJ), those moments are rare for me, I'm mostly at odds with ppl as I feel they probably don't share my personal values so I wouldn't get along with them. But when I meet ppl who share my personal values then I change my whole view of the person and see them as someone I can get along with.

    Honestly the MBTI descriptions work more for me as I relate almost 100% to the INFP one, and on socionics I relate like 90% to IEI one because it's almost the same as the MBTI INFP description. But the IEI functions no, Ni no, Ne ignoring no, Fi yes, Ne hell yes. Functions > descriptions for me.

    People keep trying to say "oh you might be wrong about your type because...." And sure, anybody can be wrong, but at some point you just know, and it's silly to keep considering some other type. I'm at that point, I just know now, it's not arrogance either, it's exhaustion. And after reading just a little of those 2 descriptions it's the SAME OLD THING I've read time and time again, like this isn't new information, and MBTI says alot of the same thing, INFJ descriptions sounding fufu and INFP descriptions sounding like "how tf do they know that about me".

    But the function descriptions are the ones that really sell it, singular focus and ideas or whatever are boring to me as I like to swim in the many possibilities and often come up with new ideas based off old ideas the worst thing to do is to kill all those new ideas for just one idea. and Fe's focus on other people is something I see other people do but not myself. I relate more to caring about those that are close than entire groups of ppl. Blah, I'm saying all this to say I know what I am, I've read and looked enough and it all comes out the same. Fi/Ne, whatever type it's called in whatever system, those are my 2 best things I got.


    EDIT:

    I just read both descriptions fully, I'm 100% confident I am EII/MBTI INFP once again. When I read the INFJ one there were moments where I was like "hm, I didn't know Ni was like that, I didn't know INFJs do that, maybe I'm INFJ." Then I read the INFP one, line after line sounded like my life, so much to the point that I think an INFP wrote that description because it's too informed.
    Ah, yeah, they are called quasi-identical for a reason. Same strong and weak functions. I can also relate to parts of both of those descriptions I posted and a little bit of the INTJ description on that site, first function primarily. I didn't bother reading their INTP.

    I don't really relate to socionics descriptions of EII very much, especially by function. Some of the behavior profiles though could also be a blend. I am a dynamic, irrational type which some people think means I am an irrational (dictionary sense) person which might apply at times when I am angry or something. I have seen some people self type EII because they think they are rational (dictionary sense) and take the dichotomy too literal. If irrational is used in a dictionary sense then both types can be irrational or rational. In socionics an EII-Ne I believe is considered to lean toward irrationality which is what my sister is.

    I was not questioning your type but those two statements by silky could easily be enneagram related as well and not even high up on the difference scale between the two types, imo. My sister also tested INFP in MBTI but she is clearly an EII. I see EII wishing rather unrealistically quite often and also wanting their needs met by others. Their duals are caregivers after all. I have seen some EII as fluffy bunnies due to the childlike nature of Ne and childlike romance style. Then you have other EII that don't show any Ne. It is like pure Fi 24/7 watching them from a detached point of view. My sister can move between fluffy bunny (when excited about something new) and stone cold Fi .

    Lots of people get INFP on their first MBTI test. I didn't realize how many until I paid more attention. Even clearly extroverted types. Hope you didn't feel I singled you out. I started threads like this one before. Never really went anywhere. At least people are starting to admit they relate to both instead of digging in their heels on their type without addressing the similarities and/or contradictions between the systems and the descriptions in both systems. It has never been about retyping others. I am glad Maritsa started this thread.

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     




  13. #13
    Humanist Beautiful sky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    EII land
    TIM
    EII INFj
    Posts
    23,286
    Mentioned
    560 Post(s)
    Tagged
    6 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    @Beautiful sky

    Thanks for posting.

    I agree that INFJ/P descriptions are often a mix, in MBTI, of both IEI and EII. Most descriptions are behavioral but so are many socionics descriptions. Those coming from MBTI are probably better off starting fresh.


    This site tries to break it down into cognitive functions at least so I am interested in which ones the self typed EII and IEI relate to most here.

     
    1. Ni - internal iNtuition


    Ni is the way that an NiFe perceives their inner world, it dictates the way they store information and how they perceive that information. It also heavily dictates the path that their train of thought will take. Ni tends to store information in a spread out way with all the pieces of data having connections of various strengths to multiple additional pieces of data. This creates a dense web-like mass of information that is too large to be viewed in detail as a whole, but can be zoomed in on to show intricate clusters and threads of thoughts. This network of data rests slightly outside of the conscious mind, giving Ni a dreamlike quality that is equally likely to be experienced in images and impressions as it is to produce concrete facts. Because the focus of the Ni perception is constantly scanning the whole but also frequently zooming in on various thoughts and feelings and changing angles on a subject, Ni dominant people tend to experience their inner world as constantly fluctuating.


    2. Fe - external Feeling


    Fe is the NiFe’s first extroverted function, so this is the function that the NiFe is most likely to use when interacting with the outer world and it is the filter through which they receive communication from the rest of the world. Fe is also the way that the NiFe processes their emotions. This function serves Ni and is primarily focused on other people.


    3. Ti - internal Thinking


    Ti makes decisions based on logic and operates internally. Ti helps to stabilize the shifty nature of Ni and helps the NiFe to interpret their Ni connections in a sensible way. This function can help them to fully understand the connections that Ni makes outside of the conscious realm.


    4. Se – external Sensing


    Se is the NiFe’s last and least developed function. This function is what perceives the outer world as stable, concrete, and structured. It’s also the function that helps an NiFe to be aware of their surroundings, appreciate beauty, be fully present in the moment, and feel connected to the physical world. This function is operating at a low level on the NiFe’s awareness radar and gives them only the minimum input required for the tasks they are doing unless the NiFe actively engages this function. Unfortunately for the NiFe, they can experience the outer world as overwhelming and stressful if they spend too much time actively taking in outside stimulus, or if real world facts and data escalate to an intensity that demands the NiFe’s full focus.


    THE INNER WORLD


    An NiFe often feels like their whole brain is working at once. On good days, it feels like smooth and cohesive movements of data headed to a single point on a horizon of discovery, but in times of stress, it seems more like a chaotic whirlwind of thoughts and emotions. For the young NiFe, they may feel like spectators of this process rather than active participants, however as they mature, they will be able to exert more control and direction over this process.


    Ni is primarily concerned with analysis and thought more for the experience of stretching its own perspectives rather than for the formation of firm conclusions. While they like to know where they stand on some issues, they tend to be comfortable with paradoxes and the unknowable more than other types. Ni is mainly focused either on the future, or things in the present that remain unknown or un-provable (for example: other people’s motives, the true origin of the universe, how will that cliffhanger on their favorite show be resolved).


    According to work of neuroscientist Dario Nardi, individuals who lead with Ni tend to access their brain in a holistic way, engaging multiple areas of their brain and synchronizing those regions in a rhythmic, and tranquil pattern that is usually associated with the brain activity one would expect to see from an individual who is thinking in their area of expertise, however, for the NiFe, this is what happens to their brain when they encounter a new problem or concept. Because of this, they need to take on new challenges to their thinking regularly.


    They often require a certain standard of security in their outer world because they need the freedom of the full use of their faculties as they are constantly expanding their inner universe. Unlike those with Ne who often feel uninspired unless they have a steady influx of new experiences, Ni users do not need a constant stream of novel stimuli to have new epiphanies. One or two simple but meaningful encounters with the outside world might be all the Ni user needs to come up with an intricate plot for a screenplay or an idea for a life-saving invention.


    NiFe’s tend to have a rather large “working memory,” meaning that they can retain active consciousness of a large number of facts or details for immediate use. In the short term, they can have a remarkably accurate memory showing a great attention to detail, while still retaining the big picture. However, if they spend too much time trying to hold multiple perspectives and a wide array of details in their mind, they will suffer from internal overstimulation; this can even lead to moments of panic or feeling trapped inside of one’s head. It can also be a huge killer of the NiFe’s natural creativity.


    They must learn to identify when they are approaching detail overload. When this happens, it helps to externally record thoughts (in a journal, planner, to do list, or by telling another person). Externally recording thoughts allows them to release the thought into long term storage, knowing that they are more likely to be able to recall it later. Or, if they feel they have adequately addressed the matter, it allows them to “delete” the info completely.


    Another feature of Ni is that it tends to bring up needed insight and stored information at exactly the right time, without much effort to consciously recall what is needed. Unfortunately, this automatic drive to bring relevant information into the forefront of consciousness can result in negative patterns, like over analyzing problems that have no immediate solution to the point that they can become fixated or obsessively worried. Ni makes it very difficult to put a problem “out of their mind” or compartmentalize their thoughts. They will often find themselves pulled back to the unresolved issue until they can solve it. Coping techniques include designating a later time to process, reaching out for support as soon as possible, distraction, and meditation/prayer.


    Ni is the main source creativity in these individuals. They have a highly developed inner world that will generally remain largely private to them. A strong mind’s eye and vivid imagination make NiFe’s the rulers of the daydream. While they can go overboard with this trait, a bit of positive and intentional daydreaming is normal and healthy for them.


    NiFe’s tend to feel the pull of their second function as a steady undercurrent to the direction that their thoughts take. They are fascinated by the intricacies of human interactions. They have a deep desire to not only understand but to relate to other people. They may ponder for days what the real meaning of an off-hand comment was, or they might dissect another person’s life choices from afar. While this may seem to other types as some kind of strange obsession or judgmental intrusion, it is actually a normal manifestation of the NiFe’s desire to know others deeply.


    Fe is an external function, but for an NiFe, it impacts their inner world by drawing their focus to real life people and situations. Fe causes the Ni to ponder real life people, questions, and events in an imaginative way. They typically prefer to focus on people and projects that serve people. Especially when dealing with matters of great emotional importance, Fe’s absorption of the intangible emotional vibes in an environment usually determines where Ni will focus.


    While connections with other people are important to them, they often struggle to switch back and forth between using their inner functions (Ni and Ti) and their outer functions (Fe and Se). The NiFe may feel social anxiety due to this difficulty or fear they may be seen as awkward, nervous, or flustered.


    The presence of Fe in an NiFe’s life is often experienced as a blessing and a curse. When they sense the emotions of other people, Ni’s vague, impressionistic nature often means that they don’t always clearly perceive origins and reasons for their emotional impressions. This is especially true for young NiFe’s who may not be able to clearly define why they dislike being around certain people or put in certain situations. It is the development of Ti that allows them to retrace the steps that Ni traversed subconsciously.


    Ti often helps with the “untangling” process of NiFe’s more mysterious impressions. It helps to ground, narrow down, and make sense of the random thoughts. Ti often utilizes the real life, concrete, Se facts to help steer Ni in a more rational direction. Although Ti is normally used in the service of Ni and Fe, NiFe’s often enjoy activities that give Ti freedom to explore on it’s own. With ample alone time and challenging topics to think about, they tend to find that Ni with Ti leads to mental pursuits that encompass both creativity and logic. Strategizing, planning, problem analysis, and complex designing go well when they are allowed to take their time.


    Ni and Ti together make for an imaginative, curious, and mischievous inner world. Ti can trip up an NiFe when it is too heavily relied on in emotion-based situations. In emotionally/relationally threatening situations where key facts regarding intentions or motives are unknown to the NiFe, they can can become overly analytical, critical, assuming, and cold. This is a result of Ni and Ti teaming up without fully acknowledging how much they really don’t know about the situation.


    The final function in the NiFe’s main stack is Se. Se impacts the NiFe in positive and negative ways. Generally speaking, problems with Se arise when they are not getting enough time alone, when their outer environment is not sufficiently peaceful and secure, when the Se stimulus they are getting is stressful, empty, or negative, and when they are required to use their Se in intense ways or for prolonged periods of time. Se overload is inevitable at various life stages. The development of self awareness, proper boundaries, sufficient alone time, and healthy habits all go a long way in keeping them from burning out from Se overload.


    However, when an NiFe has small doses of positive Se on a regular basis, they actually gain energy, insight, and happiness from Se experiences. This is why simple, healthy, natural Se pursuits (athletic, artistic, tactile, epicurean, sensual, etc.) can be very positive for the NiFe and help to relieve stress. The older and more experienced an NiFe is, the better they are at maintaining control over their Se rather than allowing it to overwhelm them.


    THE OUTER WORLD


    NiFe’s are among those types who are highly adaptable in their behavior, but at the same time often very reserved. These two traits in combination make an NiFe hard to identify by those who don’t know them well. It can actually be quite tough for NiFe’s to know how they’re perceived by other people, as more than nearly any other type, they spend a lot of time in their heads.


    In fact, after 3 pages about the inner world, our NiFe co-author got stuck trying to describe the outer world of the NiFe. So from here, your friendly resident TiNe will pick up and do his best to do justice to the mysterious and fascinating NiFe.
    Fe distinctly causes NiFe’s to be drawn to people. They find people absolutely fascinating...but nearly always from a distance. After socializing, even with close friends, they need long breaks. They study people with an intensity that’s rarely matched by any other type. They often find themselves caring about and even wanting to defend people groups who are being oppressed - whether or not they have any personal connection to them. They have a low tolerance for people who put down others for any reason.


    It can be a struggle for NiFe’s to care so much for people - not just those close to them, but entire people groups. It tends to be quite exhausting when you exert so much emotional energy caring about so many people and yet don’t necessarily have the energy to actually do anything to help or defend them. This heavily external focus also often means that they don’t have an easy time knowing and expressing their own needs in relationships.


    When it comes to determining values, it's pretty easy for an NiFe to say "I don't like that because it doesn't make any sense" (using Ti to make a logical assessment), or "I don't like that because it hurts other people or violates a collective value" with Fe, but it's harder for an NiFe to say, "I don't like that because I believe it's wrong, even though it isn't obviously hurting someone," which is more like an Fi judgment.


    Everyone has deep Fi-style values to some extent, even if they don’t actively use Fi as a function. When an NiFe person is trying to figure out why something that isn't bothering them at an Fe or Ti level keeps coming to their mind, it can be helpful for them to recognize if there's a specific value they hold that isn't easily explained by their Fe or Ti.


    Most NiFe’s are people-watchers and they often end up being interested in sociology and psychology. They naturally see patterns in human behaviour and according to Nardi, their brains “harness all neocortex regions in order to 'realize' an answer...Each region offers a different perspective, and a zen-like synchronous state allows the person to reconcile various perspectives to arrive at a best-fit answer...Sometimes, when the brain’s regions offer highly divergent answers, no amount of triangulation can synthesize and answer.” Because of this, they can always point out the side to the conversation that isn’t being represented and may be accused of being devil’s advocates at times - an accusation they will often readily admit to.


    They can usually see why someone is coming from their own perspective, but they like to bring up alternative perspectives so the person can see it from a different point of view. If you’re close to one, you can trust an NiFe to tell you if they think you’re being stupid. Although it might not be surrounded by fluffy language to make you feel good, it’s likely they are doing it from a genuine place of caring about you.


    They can be outgoing when they need to be but not for extended periods of time without severe consequences. Being outgoing draws on their energy in an intense way because it’s forcing them to engage with their outer world. They tend to be very private, even with people they’re close to. If an NiFe tells you their secrets, it’s a deep honor, they do not trust until it’s been earned. You may observe an NiFe walking around with headphones in, completely avoiding eye contact or speaking with you if at all possible. This could be at home, at work, or out in public. If possible, do not disturb the NiFe in this state, they need time in this inner head space to function.


    They are quirky and tend to draw other quirky people. Although they might feel very strongly that they are the least interesting person on the planet at times, it’s not uncommon for them to give off the vibe that they’re the most interesting person in the room unintentionally. This is usually because their hair and choice of clothes tends to have a lot more personality to it than the average person, and because they are usually either the one quietly making hilarious sarcastic comments or chilling in the corner by themselves with a dark and mysterious vibe to them. They really like being different and often discover new musicians, books, and films before they become popular. It can be quite irritating to them when the thing they’ve enjoyed in private is suddenly everywhere.


    They overwhelmingly feel that their inner world is vastly more fascinating and colourful than the world around them, and they struggle to convey anywhere near the level of detail, beauty, or simply the humor of what they’re experiencing in their mind in a way that does it justice. They often feel that the way they portray themselves to the world is really lame. They often lament that they don’t “do” anything and are genuinely confused when people think they’re fascinating.
    They also tend to need to talk through their thoughts or at least externalize them by writing them out to feel like they’re fully fleshed out. Generally the thoughts in their head exist in a very abstract form, so talking through them or writing them down can help to solidify them. They may find it frustrating at times if people assume that the thoughts they’re sharing are fully formed and decided on, especially if they’re expressed with emotion and therefore assumed to be intensely solid beliefs. Often they’re just talking to work out a thought and they haven’t quite arrived at a conclusion yet.
    As NiFe’s get older, they tend to get warmer. They are less afraid of caring and showing how much they care, and less concerned with keeping people at a distance. They also get better at not accidentally giving the impression that they’re bored, arrogant, or judging everyone when in a group setting.


    It’s important for the NiFe to not spend too much of their day in an environment that demands their focus on real world details that don’t have a clear and obvious structure to them. They naturally operate well in circumstances where they know exactly what they’re meant to do in concrete terms. However, because Se is last while Ni is driving, if they have yet to be trained on exactly how to do something and it’s not clear to them intuitively, they may freeze up. This is because Ni can see so many ways of doing the same thing that they can struggle to pick one option over the other. As they age and develop their Fe, they tend to get better at just picking an option and going with it and then analyzing it afterwards to see if a change needs to be made the next time around.


    It’s not uncommon for them to have strong abilities that they don’t really show off to people. You may be surprised to stumble across a piece of their writing and learn that an NiFe you know is an incredible writer but never mentioned it to you before or attempted to share their work with anyone. They can be sensitive to how they’re perceived based on the way they express themselves, and often over analyze comments that are made about their appearance or performance. Given their strong need for privacy for their innermost thoughts, they’re generally uncomfortable with sharing self-expression when it’s very personal to them and they’re one of the most likely types to have a form of artistic expression that they engage in solely for their own enjoyment.


    Too much time being forced to engage with the real world can get really exhausting for NiFe’s. Finding ways to minimize this drain is a good way to allow them to focus their creative abilities on the things they are best at. One of the biggest drains is when real world things are unstable (like not having enough money to pay the bills) and the NiFe needs to think about all the little practical details of staying alive, it can be especially stressful. Having to actively think about finding work, doing paperwork, playing the social games, cooking their food, and making money can get old really fast. Another common drain can be having a lot of emotional demands from people around them that they simply don’t have the energy to meet.


    https://www.typeinmind.com/nife/



     

    1. Fi - introverted Feeling


    Although it’s referred to as “Feeling”, Fi is not internal emotions, but rather values that come from within. FiNe’s might experience a deep well of emotions, but this is not the root of Fi. It is a decision making-process that is very interested in determining its own moral code and what the FiNe’s gut instinct tells them is right, which is often based on how they would like to be treated themselves. They tend to be very considerate of others, and may take a long time to mull over their own beliefs to make sure they seem right. The values-refining process can take quite a bit of time and requires mental solitude. Fi generally puts authenticity in high esteem and is repulsed by anything that seems fabricated or shallow.


    2. Ne - extroverted iNtuition


    Ne is the main way FiNe’s take in information. This means they use their intuition to find patterns, underlying principles, and ideas, and to form connections as they talk, write, or create. Ne flourishes when given new, interesting concepts to consider and consistently seeks out new inspiration from the outside world. For the FiNe, Ne is paired with Fi and “serves” it in the sense that it comes after it in terms of preference. This means that Ne will most often be used to explore values and ideals in all of their facets. Because Ne is extroverted, it primarily works by engaging with outside sources. This may look like having discussions with others who are also open to exploring the possibilities of a topic, or doing a lot of self-expression through writing or an art form.


    3. Si - introverted Sensing


    Si is the FiNe’s third function, and it gives a sense of solidity to their Fi beliefs. Si also makes the Fi-led internal world structured and detailed. When it comes to values that they have had adequate time to develop, they tend to have a solid sense of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. A lot of their perception in these cases is based on their personal experiences. This is because Si places a high value on real world experiences and its impressions of them. FiNe’s store all the interesting experiences and information they gather in their mind in an organized way for future reference.


    4. Te - extroverted Thinking


    Te is the FiNe’s inferior function. This function may be their achilles heel, and is inherently not as strong as their other functions because their highest priority and focus is on Fi. Te is a very logic-oriented way of problem solving. It is the side of them that naturally looks to find a better solution to a problem, improve the efficiency of a process, or critique and refine what is already in place. FiNe’s generally prefer only to use Te only when necessary, rather than to make all of their decisions. Overuse of an inferior function can be very draining, and may be unhealthy when constantly given priority over other functions.


    Dominant Function and Core of the Internal World:


    Introverted Feeling


    Fi-dominant types are very warm and caring to those they are close to, especially because they may subconsciously believe that everyone has an inner world similar to theirs. However, they take a while to open up to people, and aren’t likely to approach someone unless that person strikes their interest in some way. Once they let someone into their world, they are likely to keep that connection open as long as harmony remains between the two. For example, if the other person shows themselves to be inauthentic or living out a strong opposition to a value the FiNe holds, the FiNe will retreat from the relationship. As long as those principles aren’t violated, the FiNe will likely be attached to that person for life, whether or not they see them regularly.


    FiNe’s are masters of self-care and typically great at putting healthy boundaries in place. They are very empathetic people, so they see the needs of others and want to care for them. However, healthy FiNe’s know that they cannot effectively care for others unless they first care for themselves. They know their limits and aren’t usually afraid of saying ‘no’ when they aren’t able to do something or fit something into their lives.


    Fi differs from Fe (extroverted Feeling) because Fe is is focused externally and is constantly asking, “How does the group feel about this?”, whereas Fi is focused internally and is constantly asking, “How do I feel about this?” Once their own needs are met, FiNe’s also tend to hone in on one or two significant relationships. They naturally take care of these people and treat them like family. These people could be a romantic partner, a best friend, etc.


    FiNe’s are highly protective of their ‘inner circle’, feeling that those they share the intimate details of their persona with are in some ways part of themselves. They will not hesitate to defend themselves or those they are close to if they are attacked or threatened.


    FiNe’s are extremely self-aware and spend a lot of time on self-reflection. They are very concerned with the depth and nuances of their values system and spend a large amount of their mental space clarifying, sifting, and refining their beliefs. This process can be very connected to deep emotions for FiNe’s. They might find themselves laughing or crying at the beauty of a seemingly random object that has meaning to them, while bystanders who notice their reaction might be quite confused at their sudden outburst. For some FiNe’s, their emotions run so deep that there have to have been a lot of feelings building under the surface for quite some time before they will burst forth. They tend to seek out things (movies, books, etc.) that will engage their emotions, because following characters they care about through an emotional journey can be very rewarding.


    It’s worth noting that when we talking about Feeling (Fi or Fe) as a cognitive function, we do not necessarily refer to emotions. Emotional experiences or expressions can be related to Feeling (Fe or Fi), but they are not the root cause of the cognitive Feeling. The root of Fi or Fe boils down to a person’s values, meaning what a person thinks is important based on their own conscience and the reasons they believe it’s important. An FiNe’s moral code is derived from what their conscience or "gut instinct" tells them is right, and they generally treat others the way they want to be treated. This Fi value is not based in emotions, but neither does it need to be 100% logical. It is not overly concerned with the REASON behind treating others fairly… It simply ‘feels’ like the good and right thing to do because they themselves want to be treated fairly.


    The FiNe’s driving instinct is to achieve inner harmony by remaining true to themselves, their own values, and minimizing the influence that external factors (societal expectations, and maybe even the opinions of friends and family) have on their values. They may love discussing or even debating their values with others, as long as they are able to remain true to themselves while doing so. After a lengthy discussion, FiNe’s need time by themselves to evaluate the conversation and consider what the other person said and how they might fit it into their value system.


    FiNe’s find their own principles to be trustworthy and valuable, and are inherently skeptical of others that try to impose on them. If something does not line up with their beliefs, they cannot act in accordance with it. To go against their own values is to cause inner discord, which FiNe’s can’t tolerate for long.


    FiNe’s can get lost in their own world of trying to figure out what a stranger, who is sitting 20 feet away from them in a coffee shop, is thinking, how their day is going, what their life must be like, etc. They love people watching, but aren’t typically interesting in getting up close and personal with most people as they feel pressured to react and respond appropriately in real interactions. They may even Imagine a conversation with someone rather than actually speaking to them in real life, as imaginary people don’t have demands or expectations of them.


    FiNe’s tend to have an active imagination well into adulthood. Fi-doms are very concerned with The Story of/behind various things. For example, they might see a large, sturdy tree and wonder how long it’s been there, and try to imagine the events it’s been around for, or who else sat in its shade, what wisdom might be attached to or inside of that tree, etc. They automatically look for meaning everywhere - in books, movies, a passing remark from a friend, a special cup they like to use, or even why a certain tree was planted in a certain place.


    FiNe’s tend to assign meaning to everything. Because they are so involved with and entangled in the depth and nuance of the meaning of everything, and how the meaning of something relates to everything else, it can become incredibly captivated by the right idea or story. When something sparks their imagination, or taps into an aspect of meaning that carries a lot of weight with an FiNe, they become entranced by the story or idea. The process of a story unfolding can be more meaningful to an FiNe than the sum of the story’s parts.




    Second Function and the Core of the External World:


    Extroverted iNtuition


    FiNe’s have a very abstract way of looking at the world. Ne is their second function, and it makes them naturally oriented toward theories, patterns, and new ideas or principles.


    FiNe’s have a world of theories that are swirling around at any given time, and it’s important for them to have time alone in order to develop them. Their best ideas will usually come when they have a sense of inner peace and enough inspiration. Many FiNe’s find mindfulness, meditation, or another form of intentional relaxation to be useful for obtaining peace.


    FiNe’s can find inspiration in almost anything, because their Fi finds meaning in everything. As far as inspiration goes, learning interestings things, reading interesting books, taking a walk, or having a good conversation are all common stimuli. For the ideas that have had some time to percolate, they need to have places for output. Whether it’s writing, speaking, teaching, building, designing, or something else, it’s important to have a space to string together their ideas in a unique way. This can also help them to refine and perfect the expression of their ideas. While they may feel like they understand something fully in their head, and they often make great teachers, they may not be as adept at explaining things to others without previous practice.


    FiNe’s love novelty. They are always looking for a new shiny puzzle to solve or a new thing to learn about. They can get bored with something after reaching a basic level of competence. Even still, FiNe’s often have one or two things that remain as a thread throughout their lives - the things that are most meaningful to them, which they have never found boring. It’s likely they will eventually become an expert in these areas if they don’t lapse for too long in their study or practice of them.


    FiNe’s love considering ideas, possibilities, and the future. They are less concerned with “what is” or the current moment. It can be tough for FiNe’s to savour the moment and to celebrate their successes as they naturally look at what they need to do next.




    Third Function and Supporting Role in the Internal World:


    Introverted Sensing


    Si is all about how real world, 5-senses (seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, and smelling) experiences affect FiNe’s. They value their own experiences very highly, and typically have a very good memory or catalogue of details about their experiences that they deem important stored away. FiNe’s tend to very nostalgic and sentimental about things that hold deep meaning for them. Perhaps they like having a certain kind of cake on their birthday every year because their mother made it for them growing up, or they might be very attached to certain objects that mean something to them.


    FiNe’s value vastly different 'traditions' or rituals from most people, and demonstrate them in less obvious ways. To put it another way, their traditions are often not very ‘traditional’. At times get into a good daily rhythm that they unconsciously follow. it’s easiest for them to keep going on this rhythm in their day to day life and it helps them feel more balanced. However, when something interrupts their rhythm, they might have trouble picking it up again once the interruption ends.


    Their internal world is pretty ‘set’ and solid-feeling as they enter adulthood. A lot of their basic values have been decided fairly early on, and they fall back on these until new experiences, ideas, or realizations cause them to reevaluate certain values. They may consider themselves to be pretty open-minded. However, when faced with a new principle that they have no experience with, they will need a lot of time to themselves to evaluate their stance on the subject. Once they have had adequate time to consider the matter, even if they don’t have it figured out 100%, they feel better knowing that they have reached some level of understanding within themselves.


    Si is a very detail oriented function that makes FiNe’s confident in using solutions that have worked in the past, and they can use this to their advantage when necessary to stay organized in their job, at home, or in any hobby that requires detailed organization and quick-solution problem solving. FiNe’s tend to have a good balance when it comes to choosing between applying a new innovation and a previously successful solution.




    Last Function and the Supporting Role of the Internal World:


    Extroverted Thinking


    Te is a process that allows FiNe’s to take in information from the real world, make quick decisions on what the most effective solution is, and put that solution into play right away. This is the weakest, achilles’ heel part of the FiNe. Although it would be exhausting and unhealthy for them to rely on this aspect of themselves all the time, they can pull out their troubleshooting skills when necessary to get a job done effectively.


    While FiNe’s prefer to take their time on decision making, it isn’t always possible or practical. In these situations, it’s useful to have Te so that they can make quick, in-the-moment decisions. Because they are relying on their ‘gut instinct’ Fi internal compass in the background, they can feel comfortable with their decision even if they can’t articulate a solid reason for it at the time. For example, if they have the sense that someone they see walking down the street could be harmful to them in some way, they don’t have time to untangle why they have that feeling. They just know they don’t feel safe next to this person, and the best solution is the cross the street or take a detour in order to avoid them.


    In a lot of cases, Te is the protector function of the FiNe. When one of their values comes under attack, they have no problem using a direct, matter-of-fact Te communication style to defend what they feel is right. When they feel so strongly about a subject that they know they must take action on it, they tap into this part of themselves that is powerful and commanding to take a stand for that what they believe is right. Te can also be the part of FiNe’s that tells them to just pick something (a career, a hobby, an outfit, etc) and stick with it, at least for a short period of time. It’s the smaller part of FiNe’s that pushes them to come to a conclusion and be decisive. If it was purely up to their Fi, they would contemplate how they feel about it forever.


    An FiNe who is forced to act out of this Te problem-solving, critiquing side of their persona for a large portion of their time (for work, or parenting, etc) is likely to become burnt out, and might experience decision fatigue very quickly. They generally do best when they can allow someone else to take over the decision-making in at least part of their life. If they must make all the decisions in their job, and all the parenting decisions, and all the relationship decisions, etc., then when it comes time for simple, self care decisions like deciding what to eat for dinner or what route to take home from work, they are already exhausted and will struggle to know what they want.


    FiNe’s best use their Te when there is already a system in place, as it is easiest for them to use the simplest version of Te - critiquing and refining. When something is already in place and needs improvement, it can be easier to analyze it and see the solution. When starting from scratch, FiNe’s might have lots of ideas, but the act of putting systems and and structures of efficiency into place is harder for them.

    https://www.typeinmind.com/fine/
    I can get extremely stubborn and J is sho I’m INFJ and INFj. The description of INFJ that I posted matches me but the description that you posted is vague and doesn’t describe what the functions do. If INFJ extrovert with Fe then aren’t they assentially doing Fe and wouldn’t that make them an Fe vase? This is why so many ESFJ self type as INFJ in mbti forums
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

  14. #14
    Queen of the Damned Aylen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    MACS0647-JD
    TIM
    psyche 4w5 sx/sp
    Posts
    10,595
    Mentioned
    851 Post(s)
    Tagged
    42 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I can get extremely stubborn and J is sho I’m INFJ and INFj. The description of INFJ that I posted matches me but the description that you posted is vague and doesn’t describe what the functions do. If INFJ extrovert with Fe then aren’t they assentially doing Fe and wouldn’t that make them an Fe vase? This is why so many ESFJ self type as INFJ in mbti forums
    Perhaps you can take a look at this link for more insight into how MBTI is structured. It is just different from what you know of socionics. INFJ is still an introvert in MBTI.

    https://www.psychologyjunkie.com/201...dow-functions/

    In MBTI the functions for INFJ are:.



    The Difference Between Extraverted and Introverted Intuition

    INFJs have strong use of Introverted Intuition, which means they tend to be more single-minded in their focus, connecting all the dots to form one major conclusion or insight. Once they have formed that insight and reflected on it, they hold to it very tightly. This gives the INFJ their characteristic resolve and belief in their revelations. Extraverted Intuitives tend to see many possibilities and insights, and are more frequently changing their mind about them. This makes them more open-minded, but while the INFJ is at risk of being called stubborn, the Extraverted Intuitive is at risk of never settling on a clear conclusion.

    The INFJ uses Extraverted Intuition (Ne) in a largely unconscious way. They respect it and are intrigued by it, but consciously have a hard time controlling it. If someone challenges one of their Ni insights or their core revelations, the Opposing Role may come into play and the INFJ may use Extraverted Intuition in a confused, haphazard way to try to confirm their Ni beliefs. While INFJs can enjoy brainstorming and thinking about numerous possibilities, much like Ne users can, they can become overwhelmed if these Ne possibilities cause them to doubt their Ni visions or take them out of their preferred focus. This can lead them to lash out and become angry and belligerent with whoever or whatever is causing this stress and confusion.

    Because INFJs respect Extraverted Intuition, they can become quickly angered and frustrated by people who refuse to see things from multiple angles or are unwilling to modify their beliefs when shown a new possibility. However, INFJs can also be stubborn and unwilling to change their views, so their use of the Opposing Role in arguments can seem hypocritical or out of synch to onlookers.
    I joke around calling the 8th function the demon function here (to shorten demonstrative) but in MBTI Si is the demon function of INFJ but it does not stand for demonstrative.

    Demon

    The demon is the most suppressed area of your unconscious personality. This function is how you will take in information when you are at your very worst and most destructive; when your ego is severely threatened and at risk of obliteration. People who are regularly confronting their Demon are at risk of great mental anguish and have probably reached a real breaking point.

    The INFJs Demon function is Introverted Sensing. This means out of all the eight cognitive functions, this is the one they have the least conscious control over.


    What Is Introverted Sensing (Si)?

    Introverted Sensing (Si) is the storing and recall of past data and experiences. Introverted Sensors usually have an excellent memory for details, and can look on the past with fondness and appreciation. They look at what has worked well in the past, what is the “tried and true” method, and try to apply it to the present moment. Si users recollect information thoroughly and can easily tell if something doesn’t match up with a past experience. They are quick to see inconsistencies, to notice changes, and to spot abnormalities. When a Si-user experiences something in real time, they quickly compare it to something they’ve experienced in the past to see if it matches up. Si users are also usually very aware of their body’s needs and feelings. They are aware of internal sensations, like whether they are hungry or whether they are in pain.

    How INFJs Use Introverted Sensing

    Because Introverted Sensing is the INFJs Demon, it normally reflects itself in very negative ways. The INFJ can often be haunted by the past and skeptical of it. They see only what was negative about the past, only what traumatized them, only the mistakes they made. They may only see the mistakes and failures of others as well. They will pinpoint all their mistakes and failures as signs that they will never be anything but a disappointment or a failure. They may become immersed in their past trauma or regrets and unable to get out. When in the realm of the Demon function, the INFJ can also become completely incapable of holding onto any details accurately and may distort past details to fulfill their vision of failure and hopelessness.
    You can see how it is structured differently just through these quotes so keep it in mind, I guess. If you go to an MBTI forum and say you are are INFJ they will type you Ni/Fe if they take your word for it. Some will fight you on it and retype you INFP.

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     




  15. #15
    Humanist Beautiful sky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    EII land
    TIM
    EII INFj
    Posts
    23,286
    Mentioned
    560 Post(s)
    Tagged
    6 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Perhaps you can take a look at this link for more insight into how MBTI is structured. It is just different from what you know of socionics.

    https://www.psychologyjunkie.com/201...dow-functions/

    In MBTI the functions for INFJ are:.





    I joke around calling the 8th function the demon function here (to shorten demonstrative) but in MBTI Si is the demon function of INFJ but it does not stand for demonstrative.



    You can see how it is structured differently just through these quotes so keep it in mind, I guess. If you go to an MBTI forum and say you are are INFJ they will type you Ni/Fe if they take your word for it. Some will fight you on it and retype you INFP.
    Yup INFJ
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

  16. #16
    Queen of the Damned Aylen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    MACS0647-JD
    TIM
    psyche 4w5 sx/sp
    Posts
    10,595
    Mentioned
    851 Post(s)
    Tagged
    42 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Yup INFJ
    You read so fast!

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     




  17. #17
    Humanist Beautiful sky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    EII land
    TIM
    EII INFj
    Posts
    23,286
    Mentioned
    560 Post(s)
    Tagged
    6 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    You read so fast!
    Yes I read super fast but unfortunately I don’t retain Se details well. It all gets synthesized or generalized
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •