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    Quote Originally Posted by atlascog View Post
    Is it so hard to conceive God with one's senses?
    Why must He hide in a midst of vague promises and invisible miracles?
    How are we to believe the believers when we don't believe ourselves?
    What will become of us, who want to believe, but cannot?
    And what of those who neither will nor can believe?
    God does not reveal himself to us in material form because he is inconceivably beyond us. To see God's essence would require you to be equal to him.
    As well, if all of your spiritual desires were to be fulfilled by God himself, then one cannot truly progress in faith.
    Indeed certainty is impossible for us men, thus all things require the Kierkegaardian leap of faith. Hamlet was damned by his hesitation in acting, you see.
    "Blessed are they that have not seen, yet have believed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolus View Post
    God does not reveal himself to us in material form because he is inconceivably beyond us. To see God's essence would require you to be equal to him.
    As well, if all of your spiritual desires were to be fulfilled by God himself, then one cannot truly progress in faith.
    Indeed certainty is impossible for us men, thus all things require the Kierkegaardian leap of faith. Hamlet was damned by his hesitation in acting, you see.
    "Blessed are they that have not seen, yet have believed."
    All of these answers but one
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    Does Orthodoxy not teach that the inability to know God exists is a Modernist belief? Sincere question. I only know Lamentabili Sane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noaydi View Post
    I closed the previous thread about religion. I just want thing to be a little broader.

    - Do you believe in God ?

    - What believing in god mean for you ?

    - Do you prefer monotheist view or polytheist ? Why ?

    - Do you agree with the thing "we beleive in god because we fear his judgment" ?

    - atheist : do you feel your moral differing by those who beleive strongly in god if "revendicated" atheist ?
    1) No. Technically I'm agnostic.
    2) In my mind, believing in something is elevating a conception of what could be and claiming that it exists or can exist without any evidence. You could say the same thing for many ideologies. There's nothing inherently wrong about doing this, so long as you do not conflate your belief with reality.
    3) No preference since I don't believe in any. That being said, I think that believing in numerous specialized gods is sort of an intermediate step to believing in one god - if there are many beings that have special powers that we cannot see, why couldn't there be one being that has every special power? A single god, especially in the Abrahamic religions, is a more abstract representation of an ideal force for good, and so it makes more sense to me.
    4) I know there are some religious people that this applies to, but I hope those that do not think this outnumber those who do. I understand that people aren't perfect but I think the reasons you do something matter.
    5) I find the thought that you have to be religious to be moral to be misguided. Anyone can conceive of a good that is greater than oneself, but that doesn't mean you have to believe that it takes the form of a conscious entity.

    I have always found religion fascinating. I was raised as a Christian myself but that didn't stick long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oppai Anschluss View Post
    All of these answers but one
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    Does Orthodoxy not teach that the inability to know God exists is a Modernist belief? Sincere question. I only know Lamentabili Sane.
    This is true, I could have been more clear in that regard but I didn't feel like forcing myself to be 100% accurate in my wording at the time.

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