Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Deltas NF and manipulation

  1. #1
    Atari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Location
    Real Life
    TIM
    ISTp 0-D sx/sp
    Posts
    2,291
    Mentioned
    283 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default Deltas NF and manipulation

    In which ways Delta NFs could be manipulated?

    Do you think Delta NF can be manipulative? If so, for what reasons?

    Describe some cases or examples if you have some. Thanks

  2. #2
    Jesus is the cruel sausage consentingadult's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    2,992
    Mentioned
    67 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    You can fool some people all of the time, and all people some of the time, but you can't fool all people all the time. Same goes for Delta NF's.

    Delta NF's can be gullible and therefore are potentially subject to abuse, especially in the sense that you can make them work hard for you of they like you, but sooner or later their intuition will make them see the abuse. This goes especially for older Delta NF's, who have more life experience (and less attachment to socially accepted norms) and thus will keep people with the wrong vibes at a proper distance.

    And of course Delta NF's can be manipulative, but often this manipulation is often intended to be beneficial to the recipient. If it really works out that way, is another matter. Delta NF's can be really annoying when offering intrusive unsolicited advice. Some less rounded Delta NF's have the tendency to focus more on other people's issues then their own (focus on Ne and this can be the case with both IEEs and EIIs). More rounded NF's have a live-and-let-live attitude and are more compassionate people (focus on Fi). But this more or less applies to all types: as people get older, there is a greater chance that they arrive at a point where they realize that ultimately love is all that matters.
    The future of Socionics:
    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Many black Americans are SEE type.

  3. #3
    Darn Socks Director Abbie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Southwest USA
    TIM
    LSE
    Posts
    6,930
    Mentioned
    305 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    Delta NFs can be manipulated, sure.
    I recommend gradual pressure, like the proverbial boiling frog, so they don't jump away. And puppy dog eyes.
    And if that doesn't work, go for an all-out data assault...


    They can also be manipulative. But I don't really have an explanation of the how.

    LSE
    1w2 so/sx 1-6-2
    Brilliand's Younger Sister
    Squishy's Older Sister

    Johari Nohari

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

  4. #4
    Atari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Location
    Real Life
    TIM
    ISTp 0-D sx/sp
    Posts
    2,291
    Mentioned
    283 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    @Director Abbie brilliant! Thank you. Exactly what I was looking for

  5. #5
    spiritual aggressor/volcel Troll Nr 007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Playing with your head
    TIM
    Ne-ILE-C 7(93?)
    Posts
    3,592
    Mentioned
    152 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    Lemme guess EII's gather lots of data and then connect it with some sort of model. In EII's case it involves relations in which person is tied into. They anticipate their reactions by manipulating relational components. So it comes more effective as they get to know you.
    You can suggest an alternative type based on video found in HERE

    extrospection > introspection



  6. #6
    Metaphysician thehotelambush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    7,579
    Mentioned
    241 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I do think that especially EIIs are more likely to be victims of manipulation rather than perpetrating it, out of general naivete.
    The higher, the fewer

    Articles - Questionnaire - Typology Network - Blog

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    8,691
    Mentioned
    748 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Atari View Post
    In which ways Delta NFs could be manipulated?
    easier in weak regions

    > Do you think Delta NF can be manipulative? If so, for what reasons?

    anyone influences on people for own tasks

    > Describe some cases or examples if you have some.

    look at any communication
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    179
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Lemme guess EII's gather lots of data and then connect it with some sort of model. In EII's case it involves relations in which person is tied into. They anticipate their reactions by manipulating relational components. So it comes more effective as they get to know you.
    This. Anticipating their reactions. Creating certain scenarios to get specific reactions. Tweaking the social parameters to get specific results is the more vague way of saying it.
    And the mroe they know you yea they definetely know what they need to do to get the kind of reaction they want.

    As far as being manipulated, just tell them whatever you want to sell them will fix their problems, and no need to tell them exactly how because 1D Te can't be bothered to figure it out, give a basic explanation and they might think ,if you say so and many people say so it must work, that's usually 1D Te's thought.
    Social manipulation not so much, because they are usually aware of so many invisible social things that they are probably ahead of you in conjuring up all the possible scenarios that could take place. If you say this, they will anticipate that, if you say that they will anticipate this. Perhaps coming off really genuine can fool them, but that is hard to fake. It is much easier to fool them though if you just met them, because they have no point of reference to draw from on you.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •