As Delta, do you tend to be attracted to Beta production/creativity ?

[noaydi]

Christopher Nolan, Alfonso Cuarón, gabriel fauré, Malher....

Nietsche, shopenhauer... (I read philosophy but aside exception I don't understand everything)

Dali...

I found that a quadra tend to appreciate the creation of contrary quadra as if it was perfect (even if it's somewhat shit when you hear the criticism from the quadra who produced it). It could be explained by many things.

It seem we found the creation of our proper quadra "improvable", "I would have done this like that".(there are exception. I feel that for Brahms music for example, but his late work is sublime)

I don't know if it's exportable to all quadra.

as a minor note, for me, perhaps Mozart (ENFP) is an exception. I like Gabriel Faure Agnus Dei as much as Mozart Lacrimosa for example.

disclaimer : I can't stand Wagner. There is some ESTP music that I like but I never liked Wagner.

[DirectorAbbie]

Dali I like because I like surrealism. But from what my dad (who has art degrees) said, Dali was more of a showman and hired people to make some of his paintings.

Nolan's the one who directed that Batman trilogy, right? That's the only Batman movie I like.

In general, I would say I'm not a fan of Beta things. Though any quadra can produce something widely regarded as good.

[Aramas]

Christopher Nolan, Alfonso Cuarón, gabriel fauré, Malher....

Nietsche, shopenhauer... (I read philosophy but aside exception I don't understand everything)

Dali...

I found that a quadra tend to appreciate the creation of contrary quadra as if it was perfect (even if it's somewhat shit when you hear the criticism from the quadra who produced it). It could be explained by many things.

It seem we found the creation of our proper quadra "improvable", "I would have done this like that".(there are exception. I feel that for Brahms music for example, but his late work is sublime)

I don't know if it's exportable to all quadra.

as a minor note, for me, perhaps Mozart (ENFP) is an exception. I like Gabriel Faure Agnus Dei as much as Mozart Lacrimosa for example.

disclaimer : I can't stand Wagner. There is some ESTP music that I like but I never liked Wagner.

So basically you're saying that you tend to notice flaws best in your own quadra?

[Sol]

related to valued regions is more interesting. to weak functions mostly, where I seek to get fun and to rest like Socionics (Ne, Fi). the other catches lesser and more surfacely
where opposite quadra produces in my valued regions - there it can be interesting. more interesting. nonvalued regions catch lesser, but are important anyway and hence attract to some degree also

[noaydi]

So basically you're saying that you tend to notice flaws best in your own quadra?

It can have some meaning ? Production of your own quadra often hit your proper function, so you could be interested into reframing the production into the view of how you view thing by this function.

related to valued regions is more interesting. to weak functions mostly, where I seek to get fun and to rest like Socionics (Ne, Fi). the other catches lesser and more surfacely
where opposite quadra produces in my valued regions - there it can be interesting. more interesting. nonvalued regions catch lesser, but are important anyway and hence attract to some degree also

I agree with that and it's a little what I was trying to say. Element produced from contrary quadra from their ignored wich hit your function tend to have a good impact on yourself, as if it was "the good way to use it" in term of creativity.
Not sure, just trying

[Lord Pixel]

I do notice I highly regard any work that has an bigger Ni conspiracy to it. It leaves many things to be interpreted but I cannot grasp what the whole mystery is about.

[vesstheastralsilky]

Beta production and creativity ... ? ... You mean like construction home repairs (st) and inventing family dramas (nf)? Hmm.

[noaydi]

So basically you're saying that you tend to notice flaws best in your own quadra?

Thx for the resume, it was what I was trying to say effectivelly.
Either it could have some logic (you are, in your proper quadra, at the better place to see what is done wrong/wright as you value the same functions).

It's only kinda hypothetical, and even, the final result is not perhaps as simple as "I find contrary quadra perfect/mine improvable". There is perhaps just a discret dynamics of this thru all quadra.

[Adam Strange]

I sometimes wonder when Se/Ni values were more prevalent and religion/mysticism organized society instead of the Te world we live in today, how Deltas felt about it. We take the rational bent of today's society for granted but at some point what may have been to Delta STs "out-there, irrational mystical ideas" and superstition might have been the organizing force of those societies...

surely, deltas existed even back then. In a sense, Beta evokes a bygone medieval era...at least for me. That's not all it does, of course, there is a lot more to it. But just something that's been on my mind.

In religion-centered, mystical societies, religion IS rational. So Delta ST's would be among it's strongest adherents and advocates.

[tuathe]

I'm not into philosophy but when it comes to music, Beta artists are among my favourite ones. Aurora, Billie Eilish, Fever Ray (hate her aesthetics but love the tunes), Yungblud, My Chemical Romance, BØRNS, possibly Lana del Rey... even if they themselves are not Beta, their music is, and I absolutely love it.

[Sol]

Types is about what dominates. The least interest is to nonvalued weak regions.
Also besides types, other factors may predispose to interests. The degree of how much those interests get the attention also can be different.

[UDP]

a lot of artists that make decent music are beta.


just because they value the wrong functions doesn't mean they have no value overall as people. usually.