Citizenship by birth

[sbbds]

There are kids in the schools around where I live whose parents have been and are being deported. They generally have been able to find other relatives to live with, sometimes teachers have taken them in. It's not about the parents dropping the kid off - the parents want to stay with their kids, and so they stay in the country illegally. I frankly think it's best to allow families to stay together. If you allow more legal immigration, then the whole family becomes legal citizens. If it's just the child, then it's a pretty weird situation for them.

That is definitely a problematic situation that needs solutions like more legal immigration like you said, with better integration of new immigrants into society. Imagine a situation though where it’s basically the same except the child can also get deported and has limited rights and will now have immense difficulties becoming a proper citizen in any country, where their family continues trying to stay in the country via loopholes.

I guess I shouldn’t say “tends to” be like this, only as far as what I’ve studied.

[Singu]

Consider the implication if a child's parents can be deported, but the child legally cannot be. If you allow for more legal immigration that problem is somewhat alleviated, but just allowing the child to be a citizen creates additional illegal immigration.

I don't know why you would think that legally deporting a child to a country that he/she have never even been to is a better option. I also don't think that it has to do with allowing citizenship by birth. There will be illegal immigrants either way.

Also such things do happen in countries where there is no citizenship by birth. The child can also be "legally deported" to the country that they were not born in and grew up in. However that is typically considered to be too cruel, so the government may allow special grants to them.

[DirectorAbbie]

Consider the implication if a child's parents can be deported, but the child legally cannot be. If you allow for more legal immigration that problem is somewhat alleviated, but just allowing the child to be a citizen creates additional illegal immigration.

Let them take the kids with them if they want, or let them leave the kids here in the care of a guardian. I don't see the issue. Citizens can still leave the country - we aren't trapped here.

[totalize]

remove lex soli from the premises

[Not A Communist Shill]

I'm opposed to things that are illegal because they are illegal, unless I think they should be legal.

[Alomoes]

No. This allows the US to discriminate against non-citizens. It has been used for things that are unbecomming of a civilized nation. For example, internment of Japanese Americans. Of course not having it at all would be worse, but I'd prefer cosmopolitanism as a policy.

[xerx]

Somehow, I doubt that most advocates for cancelling birthright citizenship would hesitate, even for a split second, to give citizenship to a fair-skinned Scottish baby.

[vesstheastralsilky]

I believe in citizenship by birth. Astrologically from a natal chart standpoint, it would suck to lifelong be born where allegedly you did not belong. This creates a cruel and inhumane condition.

[xerx]

I would be okay with ending it if we're also allowed to retroactively retract the citizenships of every mouth-breathing racist with a scumbag sense of entitlement.