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  • ILE (ENTp)

    2 16.67%
  • SEI (ISFp)

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  • ESE (ESFj)

    0 0%
  • LII (INTj)

    0 0%
  • SLE (ESTp)

    0 0%
  • IEI (INFp)

    1 8.33%
  • EIE (ENFj)

    8 66.67%
  • LSI (ISTj)

    0 0%
  • SEE (ESFp)

    0 0%
  • ILI (INTp)

    0 0%
  • LIE (ENTj)

    1 8.33%
  • ESI (ISFj)

    0 0%
  • IEE (ENFp)

    0 0%
  • SLI (ISTp)

    0 0%
  • LSE (ESTj)

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    Type please??












    FWIW:

    Do What You Love: Time is Too Short to do Anything Else ...

    "I am honored to be with you today at your commencement from one of the
    finest universities in the world. I never graduated from college. Truth
    be told, this is the closest I've ever gotten to a college graduation.
    Today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That's it. No big
    deal. Just three stories.

    The First Story is About Connecting the Dots.

    I dropped out of Reed College after the first 6 months, but then stayed
    around as a drop-in for another 18 months or so before I really quit. So
    why did I drop out?

    It started before I was born. My biological mother was a young, unwed
    college graduate student, and she decided to put me up for adoption. She
    felt very strongly that I should be adopted by college graduates, so
    everything was all set for me to be adopted at birth by a lawyer and his
    wife.

    Except that when I popped out they decided at the last minute that they
    really wanted a girl. So my parents, who were on a waiting list, got a
    call in the middle of the night asking: 'We have an unexpected baby boy;
    do you want him?' They said: 'Of course.' My biological mother later
    found out that my mother had never graduated from college and that my
    father had never graduated from high school. She refused to sign the
    final adoption papers. She only relented a few months later when my
    parents promised that I would someday go to college.

    And 17 years later I did go to college. But I naively chose a college
    that was almost as expensive as Stanford, and all of my working-class
    parents' savings were being spent on my college tuition.

    After six months, I couldn't see the value in it. I had no idea what I
    wanted to do with my life and no idea how college was going to help me
    figure it out. And here I was spending all of the money my parents had
    saved their entire life. So I decided to drop out and trust that it
    would all work out OK. It was pretty scary at the time, but looking back
    it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The minute I dropped out I
    could stop taking the required classes that didn't interest me, and
    begin dropping in on the ones that looked interesting.

    It wasn't all romantic. I didn't have a dorm room, so I slept on the
    floor in friends' rooms, I returned coke bottles for the 5¢ deposits to
    buy food with, and I would walk the 7 miles across town every Sunday
    night to get one good meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple. I loved
    it. And much of what I stumbled into by following my curiosity and
    intuition turned out to be priceless later on. Let me give you one example:

    Reed College at that time offered perhaps the best calligraphy
    instruction in the country. Throughout the campus every poster, every
    label on every drawer, was beautifully hand calligraphed.

    Because I had dropped out and didn't have to take the normal classes, I
    decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned
    about serif and san serif typefaces, about varying the amount of space
    between different letter combinations, about what makes great typography
    great. It was beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that
    science can't capture, and I found it fascinating.

    None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life.
    But ten years later, when we were designing the first Macintosh
    computer, it all came back to me. And we designed it all into the Mac.
    It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If I had never
    dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never
    had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows
    just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them.

    If I had never dropped out, I would have never dropped in on this
    calligraphy class, and personal computers might not have the wonderful
    typography that they do. Of course it was impossible to connect the dots
    looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear
    looking backwards ten years later.

    Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect
    them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow
    connect in your future. You have to trust in something--your gut,
    destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and
    it has made all the difference in my life.

    My Second Story is About Love and Loss.

    I was lucky--I found what I loved to do early in life. Woz and I started
    Apple in my parents' garage when I was 20. We worked hard, and in 10
    years Apple had grown from just the two of us in a garage into a $2
    billion company with over 4000 employees. We had just released our
    finest creation--the Macintosh--a year earlier, and I had just turned 30.

    And then I got fired.

    How can you get fired from a company you started? Well, as Apple grew we
    hired someone who I thought was very talented to run the company with
    me, and for the first year or so things went well. But then our visions
    of the future began to diverge and eventually we had a falling out. When
    we did, our Board of Directors sided with him. So at 30 I was out. And
    very publicly out. What had been the focus of my entire adult life was
    gone, and it was devastating.

    I really didn't know what to do for a few months. I felt that I had let
    the previous generation of entrepreneurs down--that I had dropped the
    baton as it was being passed to me.

    I met with David Packard and Bob Noyce and tried to apologize for
    screwing up so badly. I was a very public failure, and I even thought
    about running away from the valley. But something slowly began to dawn
    on me--I still loved what I did. The turn of events at Apple had not
    changed that one bit. I had been rejected, but I was still in love. And
    so I decided to start over.

    Fired From Apple

    I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple
    was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of
    being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner
    again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most
    creative periods of my life.

    During the next five years, I started a company named NeXT, another
    company named Pixar, and fell in love with an amazing woman who would
    become my wife. Pixar went on to create the world's first computer
    animated feature film, Toy Story, and is now the most successful
    animation studio in the world. In a remarkable turn of events, Apple
    bought NeXT, I returned to Apple, and the technology we developed at
    NeXT is at the heart of Apple's current renaissance. And Laurene and I
    have a wonderful family together.

    I'm pretty sure none of this would have happened if I hadn't been fired
    from Apple. It was awful-tasting medicine, but I guess the patient
    needed it.

    Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm
    convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I
    did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work
    as it is for your lovers.

    Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way
    to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the
    only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found
    it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart,
    you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just
    gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you
    find it. Don't settle.

    My Third Story is About Death.

    When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: 'If you live
    each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right.'

    It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I
    have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: 'If today were
    the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do
    today?' And whenever the answer has been 'No' for too many days in a
    row, I know I need to change something.

    Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever
    encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost
    everything--all external expectations, all pride, all fear of
    embarrassment or failure--these things just fall away in the face of
    death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are
    going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you
    have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to
    follow your heart.

    Diagnosed With Cancer

    About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer.

    I had a scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a tumor on my
    pancreas. I didn't even know what a pancreas was. The doctors told me
    this was almost certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I
    should expect to live no longer than three to six months.

    My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in order, which is
    doctor's code for prepare to die. It means to try to tell your kids
    everything you thought you'd have the next 10 years to tell them in just
    a few months. It means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it
    will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to say your goodbyes.

    I lived with that diagnosis all day. Later that evening I had a biopsy,
    where they stuck an endoscope down my throat, through my stomach and
    into my intestines, put a needle into my pancreas and got a few cells
    from the tumor. I was sedated, but my wife, who was there, told me that
    when they viewed the cells under a microscope the doctors started crying
    because it turned out to be a very rare form of pancreatic cancer that
    is curable with surgery.

    I had the surgery and I'm fine now.

    This was the closest I've been to facing death, and I hope it's the
    closest I get for a few more decades. Having lived through it, I can now
    say this to you with a bit more certainty than when death was a useful
    but purely intellectual concept:

    No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to
    die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one
    has ever escaped it.

    And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single
    best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old
    to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too
    long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away.
    Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
    Don't be trapped by dogma--which is living with the results of other
    people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out
    your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow
    your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want
    to become. Everything else is secondary.

    When I was young, there was an amazing publication called The Whole
    Earth Catalog, which was one of the bibles of my generation. It was
    created by a fellow named Stewart Brand not far from here in Menlo Park,
    and he brought it to life with his poetic touch.

    This was in the late 1960s, before personal computers and desktop
    publishing, so it was all made with typewriters, scissors, and Polaroid
    cameras. It was sort of like Google in paperback form, 35 years before
    Google came along: it was idealistic, and overflowing with neat tools
    and great notions.

    Stewart and his team put out several issues of The Whole Earth Catalog,
    and then when it had run its course, they put out a final issue.

    It was the mid-1970s, and I was your age. On the back cover of their
    final issue was a photograph of an early morning country road, the kind
    you might find yourself hitchhiking on if you were so adventurous.
    Beneath it were the words: 'Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.' It was their
    farewell message as they signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I
    have always wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to begin
    anew, I wish that for you.

    Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.

    Thank you all very much."

    The Stanford (University) Report June 14, 2005
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    100% ENTP

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    I'm baffled on Steve Jobs. I looked at some photos of him and don't know. Visually when he was young he reminds me of an ENTP I knew and now he reminds me of my ENTJ boss. I'm inclined to think an NT of some kind, but also noticed the composer ISFP qualties he was espousing in the post.

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    You know ... I believe Bill Gates is an INTJ and his wife an ESFJ and I wonder if we could figure out Jobs' type based on his interaction with him. I could see them as mirrors, but also think typing jobs as an ENTJ suites their ineractions:

    "Contrary relationships
    These are relationships of an unstable psychological distance. Both partners experience difficulties in establishing and keeping a stable psychological distance between them. The only chance Contrary partners have to get on together well with each other is if they are left alone. In other cases partners usually compete over their strong sides. The reason for this is when somebody else is present, each partner tries to capture the attention of the listener by showing off their strong side. Contrary partners may like some elements of the other partner's behaviour. This often helps the partners to begin a more close relationship. However, when they are in company, their interaction can change dramatically. The introvert partner usually becomes distant, relationships lose warm feelings and become formal and cautious. Both partners may start regretting that they became too trustful.

    The extrovert partner normally gets the false impression that the introvert partner is deliberately acting against them. This can bring a great deal of misunderstanding and surprise into these relationships, as both partners are convinced that before everything was fine. The introvert partner usually starts suppressing the activity of the extrovert partner and may reproach and criticise them. The extrovert partner in return can behave in the same way.

    The most vulnerable position in these relationships belongs to the extrovert partner, who may feel as if they are being betrayed. As a result the extrovert partner could start to worry excessively about their next step so as not to make any mistakes and may therefore become very suspicious. Unfortunately the extrovert partner cannot see that their introvert partner is not as bad as they have begun to imagine." From Socionicsdating.com/intertyperelations

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    School sucks. It's a pointless institution that just sucks up money and doesn't give out anything useful, besides hot roman gay sex and Girls Gone Wild vids for the 1% of the population that's heterosexual.

    99.999999% of what you learn in college, you'll never use. Now, you don't need to be a fucking Sensor to understand how bullshitty that is.

    Just suck it up and learn how to give something TANGIBLE. Your ideas are sweet dear, but if they can't pay the bills - who cares?

    Trying to match your fantasies into a reality is the American dream, I believe. Trying to do something you enjoy, but also something that can make you independent enough to get laid is the key.

    Artists/writers SHOULD starve. Fucking writers going on strike...pampered idiots that just write about cliches and don't do it for their souls like us REAL writers. I'm a writer deep down in my heart but I know that creativity and real love is BETTER than money. Just stop WHINING and suck it up you damn spoiled jews, and learn that you have to be a bit of a Republican to be financially successful in life. It just actually takes some raw effort. It feels like shit, but everybody has to do it.

    Those are my views. ;D

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    EIE-Ni, duh.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    EIE-Ni, duh.
    I concur.
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    Definitely subtype. One of the people who fit this subtype the best.

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    The subtype battle begins.
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    Nah, not involved enough. I mean he's rather emotive, but he's just not as "there" as Fe subs.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    definetely: irrational, intuitive
    most probably: logic
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    Man, you come right out of a comic book.
    Man, it's not the best place for your fart. Try to use your head, but not your ass for thinking in next time. Unfortunately, I doubt you have such ability to continue discussion with you.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Yeah seriously, so fucking many of those typings are absurd, lol. Bruce Willis EIE? Gimme a fuckin break. LSE to the max.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    ENTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    many of those typings are absurd, lol. Bruce Willis EIE?
    Absurd is to think LSE as his type. To understand it you need more skills in typology.

    But there is no experimentaly based objective method of ~100% (or even 70%) correct typing and hence proving of a type, so disputing is senseless.

    There is no even experimentaly proved high match of versions between any 2 typers (at least it may to be very rare and exists in bounds of the same school; I not know such case anyway), while experiments and practice show match < 15-30% when typer is not knowing versions of other typers befor giving his version; so real and stable dismatch of versions is >70% ! between _anyone_ here, and from point of view of _anyone_ here who respects his skills and opinion in typing, - any other typer here is unskillfull, and his versions are wrong mostly and look as absurd in many cases.

    The only sense is to say your version in a hope that it's correct, then to listen versions of others and to think about them additionaly.

    Essense of the problem of disagreement in versions is said, so this discussion is closed.
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    Noah Wyle (ENFP), played Jobs in "Pirates of Silicon Valley" and at Macworld 1999

    Wyle indeed have noticable nonverbal similarity to young Jobs
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    To understand it you need more skills in typology.
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    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by neverthesame View Post
    ENTp.
    Theres always one...


    Cute avatar btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    Theres always one...


    Cute avatar btw.
    Thanks! he he...
    What do you mean? There's always someone who types Steve Jobs as ILE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neverthesame View Post
    Thanks! he he...
    What do you mean? There's always someone who types Steve Jobs as ILE?
    Lol no theres always one who types X person as ILE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Yeah seriously, so fucking many of those typings are absurd, lol. Bruce Willis EIE? Gimme a fuckin break. LSE to the max.
    Gilly you missed the important one.
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    I finally typed him, been meaning to come around to it; he's ENTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I finally typed him, been meaning to come around to it; he's ENTp.
    Thank you. I agree he's ILE.

    He's also a person I highly admire.

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    Uh, he's ENFj.

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    I'd say Mr. Jobs is ENTp because he has no problem showing off his geekyness and being very hands on both with product development and in showing off his products. That would imply a Process > Result orientation.

    Among other celebrity CEOs, I'd say Magic Johnson or Oprah Winfrey are better examples of ENFj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNi View Post
    I'd say Mr. Jobs is ENTp because he has no problem showing off his geekyness and being very hands on both with product development and in showing off his products. That would imply a Process > Result orientation.
    I agree. He tends to show his Se Role by micromanaging his staff, by being difficult and undiplomatic to work with is a common trait of anyone who has ever worked closely with an ENTp. But, people love to work for him because he provides for his workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I agree. He tends to show his Se demo by micromanaging his staff, by being difficult and undiplomatic to work with is a common trait of anyone who has ever worked closely with an ENTp.
    Well, I'm not sure Mr Jobs micromanaged his staff, but he would be very brutal when it came to bad ideas.

    However, I have worked with a very Ti-ENTp and while he didn't do it me, he did mercilessly micromanage others. The end results were usually pretty amazing though so he must've been doing something right.

    Although, I do think that's the downside to working with a Reinin tactical+process oriented person. They tend to be somewhat meddlesome if things aren't going the way they want it to. I know I do it too and I've had to learn to be more hands off. I'm sure other tactial+process people have had to learn that skill as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I agree. He tends to show his Se demo by micromanaging his staff, by being difficult and undiplomatic to work with is a common trait of anyone who has ever worked closely with an ENTp.
    Well, I'm not sure Mr Jobs micromanaged his staff, but he would be very brutal when it came to bad ideas.

    However, I have worked with a very Ti-ENTp and while he didn't do it me, he did mercilessly micromanage others. The end results were usually pretty amazing though so he must've been doing something right.

    Although, I do think that's the downside to working with a tactical+process oriented person. They tend to be somewhat meddlesome if things aren't going the way they want it to. I know I do it too and I've had to learn to be more hands off. I'm sure other tactial+process people have had to learn that skill as well.
    Se - for details and Te for structure = a very meticulous combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
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    That would imply a Process > Result orientation.
    ENFj is Process too.
    Hm, yeah apparently the Reinin Dicotomies have been rearranged since I last looked at them a few years back. ENFj are strategic > tactical though. I should've stated from the beginning that it would imply Process + Tactical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Oh, Reinin dichotomies aren't related to the Socionics type directly, since there's no measurability of functions or quadras, so not a good measure of typing.

    Process or result ie. he could be involved in a process he's interested in, or search for result he needs while ignoring the process, depends on which is more important at the time.
    I looked at them and even applied them in real life and have discovered that they are useless and impossible. A person's psyche fluxes between two poles. I am going back to using Jung's method of analysis of the types according to functions, for now until a better method develops.

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    ENFj is Process too.
    Hm, yeah apparently the Reinin Dicotomies have been rearranged since I last looked at them a few years back. ENFj are strategic > tactical though. I should've stated from the beginning that it would imply Process + Tactical.
    Simply, he sees object, the objective environment beyond that which is in it's real and tangible form and being an Si valuer, he's much more likely to be in touch with the times, current trends, of the moment kind of thing and propel technology to the future.
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    He's ENFj.

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    Just look at his sense of aesthetics. No one dresses better.

    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    LOLOL; that's another testament of No Si going on. I hope and pray he's ok and he doesn't have cancer.

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    Steve Jobs is an introvert, like his tow friends Wozniak and Kawasaki...

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond View Post
    FWIW:

    Do What You Love: Time is Too Short to do Anything Else ...

    "I am honored to be with you today at your commencement from one of the
    finest universities in the world. I never graduated from college. Truth
    be told, this is the closest I've ever gotten to a college graduation.
    Today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That's it. No big
    deal. Just three stories.

    The First Story is About Connecting the Dots.

    I dropped out of Reed College after the first 6 months, but then stayed
    around as a drop-in for another 18 months or so before I really quit. So
    why did I drop out?

    It started before I was born. My biological mother was a young, unwed
    college graduate student, and she decided to put me up for adoption. She
    felt very strongly that I should be adopted by college graduates, so
    everything was all set for me to be adopted at birth by a lawyer and his
    wife.

    Except that when I popped out they decided at the last minute that they
    really wanted a girl. So my parents, who were on a waiting list, got a
    call in the middle of the night asking: 'We have an unexpected baby boy;
    do you want him?' They said: 'Of course.' My biological mother later
    found out that my mother had never graduated from college and that my
    father had never graduated from high school. She refused to sign the
    final adoption papers. She only relented a few months later when my
    parents promised that I would someday go to college.

    And 17 years later I did go to college. But I naively chose a college
    that was almost as expensive as Stanford, and all of my working-class
    parents' savings were being spent on my college tuition.

    After six months, I couldn't see the value in it. I had no idea what I
    wanted to do with my life and no idea how college was going to help me
    figure it out. And here I was spending all of the money my parents had
    saved their entire life. So I decided to drop out and trust that it
    would all work out OK. It was pretty scary at the time, but looking back
    it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The minute I dropped out I
    could stop taking the required classes that didn't interest me, and
    begin dropping in on the ones that looked interesting.

    It wasn't all romantic. I didn't have a dorm room, so I slept on the
    floor in friends' rooms, I returned coke bottles for the 5¢ deposits to
    buy food with, and I would walk the 7 miles across town every Sunday
    night to get one good meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple. I loved
    it. And much of what I stumbled into by following my curiosity and
    intuition turned out to be priceless later on. Let me give you one example:

    Reed College at that time offered perhaps the best calligraphy
    instruction in the country. Throughout the campus every poster, every
    label on every drawer, was beautifully hand calligraphed.

    Because I had dropped out and didn't have to take the normal classes, I
    decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned
    about serif and san serif typefaces, about varying the amount of space
    between different letter combinations, about what makes great typography
    great. It was beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that
    science can't capture, and I found it fascinating.

    None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life.
    But ten years later, when we were designing the first Macintosh
    computer, it all came back to me. And we designed it all into the Mac.
    It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If I had never
    dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never
    had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows
    just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them.

    If I had never dropped out, I would have never dropped in on this
    calligraphy class, and personal computers might not have the wonderful
    typography that they do. Of course it was impossible to connect the dots
    looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear
    looking backwards ten years later.

    Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect
    them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow
    connect in your future. You have to trust in something--your gut,
    destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and
    it has made all the difference in my life.

    My Second Story is About Love and Loss.

    I was lucky--I found what I loved to do early in life. Woz and I started
    Apple in my parents' garage when I was 20. We worked hard, and in 10
    years Apple had grown from just the two of us in a garage into a $2
    billion company with over 4000 employees. We had just released our
    finest creation--the Macintosh--a year earlier, and I had just turned 30.

    And then I got fired.

    How can you get fired from a company you started? Well, as Apple grew we
    hired someone who I thought was very talented to run the company with
    me, and for the first year or so things went well. But then our visions
    of the future began to diverge and eventually we had a falling out. When
    we did, our Board of Directors sided with him. So at 30 I was out. And
    very publicly out. What had been the focus of my entire adult life was
    gone, and it was devastating.

    I really didn't know what to do for a few months. I felt that I had let
    the previous generation of entrepreneurs down--that I had dropped the
    baton as it was being passed to me.

    I met with David Packard and Bob Noyce and tried to apologize for
    screwing up so badly. I was a very public failure, and I even thought
    about running away from the valley. But something slowly began to dawn
    on me--I still loved what I did. The turn of events at Apple had not
    changed that one bit. I had been rejected, but I was still in love. And
    so I decided to start over.

    Fired From Apple

    I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple
    was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of
    being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner
    again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most
    creative periods of my life.

    During the next five years, I started a company named NeXT, another
    company named Pixar, and fell in love with an amazing woman who would
    become my wife. Pixar went on to create the world's first computer
    animated feature film, Toy Story, and is now the most successful
    animation studio in the world. In a remarkable turn of events, Apple
    bought NeXT, I returned to Apple, and the technology we developed at
    NeXT is at the heart of Apple's current renaissance. And Laurene and I
    have a wonderful family together.

    I'm pretty sure none of this would have happened if I hadn't been fired
    from Apple. It was awful-tasting medicine, but I guess the patient
    needed it.

    Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm
    convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I
    did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work
    as it is for your lovers.

    Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way
    to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the
    only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found
    it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart,
    you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just
    gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you
    find it. Don't settle.

    My Third Story is About Death.

    When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: 'If you live
    each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right.'

    It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I
    have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: 'If today were
    the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do
    today?' And whenever the answer has been 'No' for too many days in a
    row, I know I need to change something.

    Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever
    encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost
    everything--all external expectations, all pride, all fear of
    embarrassment or failure--these things just fall away in the face of
    death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are
    going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you
    have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to
    follow your heart.

    Diagnosed With Cancer

    About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer.

    I had a scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a tumor on my
    pancreas. I didn't even know what a pancreas was. The doctors told me
    this was almost certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I
    should expect to live no longer than three to six months.

    My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in order, which is
    doctor's code for prepare to die. It means to try to tell your kids
    everything you thought you'd have the next 10 years to tell them in just
    a few months. It means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it
    will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to say your goodbyes.

    I lived with that diagnosis all day. Later that evening I had a biopsy,
    where they stuck an endoscope down my throat, through my stomach and
    into my intestines, put a needle into my pancreas and got a few cells
    from the tumor. I was sedated, but my wife, who was there, told me that
    when they viewed the cells under a microscope the doctors started crying
    because it turned out to be a very rare form of pancreatic cancer that
    is curable with surgery.

    I had the surgery and I'm fine now.

    This was the closest I've been to facing death, and I hope it's the
    closest I get for a few more decades. Having lived through it, I can now
    say this to you with a bit more certainty than when death was a useful
    but purely intellectual concept:

    No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to
    die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one
    has ever escaped it.

    And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single
    best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old
    to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too
    long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away.
    Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
    Don't be trapped by dogma--which is living with the results of other
    people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out
    your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow
    your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want
    to become. Everything else is secondary.

    When I was young, there was an amazing publication called The Whole
    Earth Catalog, which was one of the bibles of my generation. It was
    created by a fellow named Stewart Brand not far from here in Menlo Park,
    and he brought it to life with his poetic touch.

    This was in the late 1960s, before personal computers and desktop
    publishing, so it was all made with typewriters, scissors, and Polaroid
    cameras. It was sort of like Google in paperback form, 35 years before
    Google came along: it was idealistic, and overflowing with neat tools
    and great notions.

    Stewart and his team put out several issues of The Whole Earth Catalog,
    and then when it had run its course, they put out a final issue.

    It was the mid-1970s, and I was your age. On the back cover of their
    final issue was a photograph of an early morning country road, the kind
    you might find yourself hitchhiking on if you were so adventurous.
    Beneath it were the words: 'Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.' It was their
    farewell message as they signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I
    have always wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to begin
    anew, I wish that for you.

    Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.

    Thank you all very much."

    The Stanford (University) Report June 14, 2005


    Type please??
    You wrote all of that ? Agree he is EIE I guess, no idea which subtype, though.
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    Beta extrovert.

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    Steve Jobs' is awesome, I see no problem with ENTp although there may be cases for other types.

    I personally wish I could have dropped out of college or bypassed it, the educational system seems to be a piece of cripe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    He's ENFj.
    BUT, ENFj's are much nicer to their staff and are much kinder to work with. :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    He's ENFj.
    BUT, ENFj's are much nicer to their staff and are much kinder to work with. :
    Sigh. Being nice or being rude, being kind or being unkind - it's not type related. It's person related. Some ENFjs are great to work with, and I know this from experience. Not all will be. I don't think everyone's favorite ENFj to mention, you know, the one with the little square mustache, was all that nice or fun to work with for example.

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