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    I'm very often typed as Beta NF (also my current typing) though one thing pecks my interest, and that is Si. It very often feels like I downplay Si for the sake of me fitting as a Beta NF more, which is not a very nice thing. It's like my Si is stronger than I make it out to be, however I know that it's not too high-dimensional since I don't have confidence in the states that i experience, nor manipulating them for my and others' wellbeing.

    An example would be this: when I'm gone from my home for long, when I do come back, I can sense this *smell*. Not sure how to describe it, but it smells like *home*, a smell that can only be felt here. I also notice that every residence has a distinctive smell.


    What is your experience with Si overal, betas?

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    lol I have a strong sense of smell... not sure how much that's related to Si.

    Well Si is my role function, so I do it reasonably well but it's still kind of uncomfortable. When I have to make 'people comfortable/harmonious' by like asking them if they want a glass of water or something.... I can do it, but it still feels like an ESE or SEI is much more natural with it. Definitely feels mediocre and 2 dimensional-ish.

    Your role function is your supervisor's Polr, which is interesting. Kinda like they can sense how you are faking it because it's not pushing their buttons or something? Like how it's all an act, because the real thing hurts so much more than that.

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    Do you find joy or feel an inner need in taking care of people and making them feel more comfortable?

    I'm not sure if sense of smell is really related? I'd say I have an average sense of smell (and often times smells won't stick out to me, or I can ignore them because I am thinking about other stuff) but I do know other IEI's who do have a really strong sense of smell to the point of where they can't be around places with strong perfume smells, and they still don't value Si and would not even be mistaken for SEI.
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    I am not comfortable with most bodily sensations, even pleasant ones, for very long. Many are just hormonal and pass but still. I am repelled by most tender touches or people trying to give me a massage that is not for medical reasons (like when I pulled my neck muscles and was in pain for weeks that was fine to have a pro do it). I know an EIE who completely dismisses anything Si related and for some weird reason liked to be tazed. It helps he was born without a sense of smell. He was shocked when I told him I didn't want to be around him anymore because he smelled different to me after awhile and it was making me sick to my stomach. I knew it was because I had lost my feelings for him. That did not go over well at all but he forced me to tell him what was wrong. I kept moving away from him, usually across the room and could still smell him. Even though he showered. He asked others to confirm what I said about his smell and they didn't pick up on it. He was not mating material. It was just a weird thing and I haven't really had that experience so strongly before him. I did notice when losing feelings for others little things would bother me about them too but usually not their smell. Just habits.

    I tend to feel out of control and don't know what to do with it. I am responsive to a very few vibrations/frequencies/tones of voice. They are deeper. Like Tibetans monks chanting "Om". I like a lot more bass maybe but not too much. Still I feel I can't let myself completely relax into those pleasant sensations like others can. I have had people try to help me but it makes me more tense.'

    A few people have been able to relax me enough to give into bodily sensations but I am often resistant. I am super sensitive to pain and rarely notice when I have to eat. In fact I don't eat until I am reminded most of the time because I prefer being in my own world doing my own thing. I have gone a whole day without drinking liquids. My doctor said I had long term dehydration which I have been trying to fix by setting reminders to drink a glass of water. I can sit in a lotus or semi lotus position for long periods of time and only know I am stiff when I stand up hours later.

    If I meditate it is a little better and I can kind of melt into it for a little while. If someone physically touches me it breaks the spell. It is hard to explain. I have synesthesia so my Si (if responsible for it) is not wired right and signals get crossed. I have a strong sense of smell but my eyesight is not great without contacts or glasses. It is not awful according to my eye doctor but to me I swear I can't see anything in front of me without them. He said this should not be the case. Perhaps I blur my own vision in some way in order to focus on my third eye vision. I have been told I have a wolf like sense of smell. I pick up things others don't until I point it out. Maybe I have been around so many people who do not value Si that it just wasn't even a problem until I was around Si valuers who tried to put their icky hands on me. They were being pervy about it so that influenced my response. I was not interested in their advances.

    Edit: since I was asked, I will clarify. I rented a room from a ESE and her EII bf. She was a very, um, open and kind of wacky person. A delta ST rented another room. He would always tell me I needed a massage because I do tend to sleep in odd positions and wake up with a sore neck or back. I don't start out in weird positions. One day I allowed him to try and "fix" my neck and the next thing I knew I was fighting him off me and literally had to hit him to keep him from putting his hand down my shirt. He knew I was serious and stopped. Apparently the ESE chick didn't think it was a big deal after I told her and she confronted him (I don't know what he told her happened) and let him stay (he was paying her a lot). I ended up moving out for that and other reasons. I didn't even have to live there so it wasn't a big deal to move but that whole experience living with a bunch of Si valuers was weird. Plus she gave my stuff away to people she thought needed it more or let people go through my stuff when I wasn't there. The delta ST guy was always in the room with the ESE when her bf wasn't around and they were giving each other massages. :/

    So I don't think all Si valuers are "icky". lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    My doctor said I had long term dehydration which I have been trying to fix by setting reminders to drink a glass of water. I can sit in a lotus or semi lotus position for long periods of time and only know I am stiff when I stand up hours later.
    I relate to both of these things, though I'm good about drinking now. I got sent to ICU once, and the doctors said my body was severely dehydrated so I had to get IV fluids for it... which kind of surprised me because I thought I had been drinking enough.

    I also relate to the forgetting to eat thing. When I was not on remeron I would go all day without eating simply because I forgot to eat, then feel weak and get a headache and realize that I should probably eat something. Even on remeron I sometimes forget to eat now (especially if I am going through emotional turmoil). If I call my mom and tell her I don't feel well mentally, she tells me to eat something because she knows I don't put eating as my top priority. I have actually had people in the past like coworkers who were not able to believe or understand that I forgot to eat on a regular basis and struggled to gain weight because of it, and they accused me of lying about it.

    I am not that sensitive to pain... at least, I don't think I am. I can get shots and not feel anything (unless I'm getting a shot in my stomach which freaks me out psychologically for some reason). I will often have cuts and bruises on my body and I won't know how I got them or where they came from. I also enjoy eating spicy food, unless it's something severely spicy. At the same time I sometimes get cramps so bad that I have passed out, and if I get a hangnail it will bother me and get on my nerves until I can find some clippers. I also hate the thought and physical feeling of having crumbs or dirt in my bed, or having sticky hands.
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    Well, sometimes houses do have distinct smell. Hard to categorize smells.

    Some sort of compound analysis from air/clothes/whatever probably reveals something about living habits.

    It is quite funny to think how you can not really smell yourself/people that much besides the obvious. To untrained nose/brain (if could be done) grown in 'vacuum' it might be different experience.
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    Hmmm, interesting, everyone. Yeah, so far, from what I can see, my Si is surely not as weak as some people who have replied on here. I have a sleeping schedule that I maintain in order to be healthy, and have three meals a day plus a few snacks thrown in there. I am always aware of what my body needs, though my predictions aren't accurate which often sends me into panic-mode ('Head hurts? It's surely a brain tumour'). I'm also very squeamish when it comes to sensations in my own body, although taking shots never really 'hurt' me- I did have a fear of needles as a kid, but it was an irrelevant fear, it passed after my first shot. I also hate certains sensations and I'm pretty picky about them (I have a skin treatment which requires me to use moisturizing masks and all sorts of crap, which i absolutely HATE how it feels on my face, it's cold, mushy and feels gross overall)

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    Fwiw, I can get really squeamish over certain body stuff too. An acquaintance of mine was once going into detail about her mothers ovarian cancer scare and went into graphic detail about her mom's ovarian cysts bursting, and I could feel my whole body getting really hot and weak and I had to cut her off and excuse myself from the conversation and go outside to get some fresh air because I felt like I was going to faint, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fox View Post
    Fwiw, I can get really squeamish over certain body stuff too. An acquaintance of mine was once going into detail about her mothers ovarian cancer scare and went into graphic detail about her mom's ovarian cysts bursting, and I could feel my whole body getting really hot and weak and I had to cut her off and excuse myself from the conversation and go outside to get some fresh air because I felt like I was going to faint, lol.
    That's really strange, but when I watch scenes depicting gore in animation or movies, even writing, I can handle it pretty well. Granted, not too much, or I'll most likely react the same way you did. When it's too much, I imagine my very own body suffering from what's being described. I would've been a horrible doctor.

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    That sounds normal run of the mill Si. Get into predictive bodily states of others and affecting them with your agency and you'll get into Si ego territory.

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    In terms of being medical doctor. Ha. I should be replaced by computer.

    I was thinking of becoming hospital chemist (lots of medicine studies on top chemistry MSc) but that itself means lots of admin work... I can see myself in that kind of place where I could work/design for detecting stuff with instruments.

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    yeah, understanding impressions is also important step. I don't get it that well.
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    Fox is SLE so high T and low smell is to be expected. I'd expect IEI to have better sense of smell than average, because higher estrogen

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    Yeah, I'm still coming to terms with my F type as I hold T in so high regard and pride but it takes lots of time to heal my emotional wounds.
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    Fox is SLE so high T and low smell is to be expected. I'd expect IEI to have better sense of smell than average, because higher estrogen
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    yeah uhhhhh Im easily over stimiliated and very aware of my senses only when it gets to me, becomes overwhelming. I do have some kind of ..Si agenda? but mostly when I feel like its expected of me? But I have my favorite textures and favorite colors and what the fuck is Si again lol? If it's about "aesthetics" and "comforts" i mean.. I thought I was a SEI last year just because I was into that stuff, and I will really treat like certain things are objects of a museum and maybe add it to my own museum that is my taste but thats in my own pacing, on my own time, and it's something to study and often time not to actually practice. As for taking care of myself, I mean... I never know when I'm actually hungry until I actually start eating and then I become starving. Usually wanting a snack is what makes me think "oh yknow what I might actually be hungry" but I dont even remember that mostly. Im trying to practice pampering myself so I can involve self care more, but even routines like shaving and tweezing is well... not apart of my routine. I do it when I think "hm why do I feel like I look disturbing? just... God am I truly that disturbing what is that OH" but I also have a chronic pain disease since birth SO ... I am Very Aware of my body sensations and I know what all the different pains mean and what I need. usually I can tell people what they need with what kind of headache they have... Im aware of triggers and when Im uncomfortable, because at the end of the day I tend to indulge in my comforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    I just read an article about males not being able to get erections when they want to if their estrogen is not high enough and how we forget estrogen is a sex hormone for men. There are different reasons for not being able to smell well, but I wonder how many of them are correlated with estrogen levels in a person and if we could use not being able to smell as a signal to test people's estrogen (because if it gets horribly low, maybe their bones and hearts could be harmed, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
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    I believe a person can have both high estrogen and high testosterone


    one way that could happen is a portion of the excess testosterone being transmuted into estrogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
    I believe a person can have both high estrogen and high testosterone


    one way that could happen is a portion of the excess testosterone being transmuted into estrogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuivienen View Post
    As long as their sperm are effective, who cares?

    Oh, I agree. As long as people's bones and hearts aren't affected by imbalances, I think people put an insane amount of pressure on themselves for no reason. It's weird how much people shame themselves about neurotransmitters, etc.

    well, a few of my friends wish they could just have sex and not worry with their partner about pregnancy...
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    I could see me having Si HA. I'm naturally not that in touch with my body because I'm so caught up in my emotions and worries and I love when I meet someone sensual and someone whose just able to relax and calm me down Of course they have to be very interesting besides that and share my interests but yeah. It's like the icing on the cake

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    My Si is clumsy lol. People who donít know me very well think Iím neat and prim but thatís all a well crafted lie created by shirts and pants Iíve already worn maybe three times in 2 weeks without washing (I just keep wearing it if thereís no stains and smell). It takes forever to push myself to do chores and my room is pretty much chaos. I like looking nice but the way I go about it is kind of lazy, like... man I wish I had the patience to do contour and cute winged eyeliner but I just donít so I end up slapping on whatever drugstore makeup brands I have laying around lmao

    I only exercise when I feel myself getting stagnant and I try to eat healthy cuz I have an awful immune system but I donít like complex dishes so my diet consists mostly of eggs, steamed veggies, and rice... and whatever fruit I decide to buy that week. Cream cheese and bagels are a staple. So is cereal..... Just anything easy tbh lol. Iíd rather spend my time doing other things than taking care of myself as bad as that sounds. I mean, at least I still look cute so whatever

    I canít stand seeing mold or dirt tho, that shits nasty and Iím pretty sensitive to smells as well. My LIE uncle lives like a fuckin troglodyte and idk how he does it tbh cuz there is literally phlegm from him spitting rimmed all over his bathroom sink and his shower is slimy as fuck, like GROSS. I thought my Si was bad but jfc lol. Also whats interesting to note between our supervision relationship is while Iím better at Si stuff than he is, he refuses to listen to any of the advice I give him regarding to it cuz I ďlive like a single man with no direction in lifeĒ :))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavia View Post
    My Si is clumsy lol. People who don’t know me very well think I’m neat and prim but that’s all a well crafted lie created by shirts and pants I’ve already worn maybe three times in 2 weeks without washing (I just keep wearing it if there’s no stains and smell). It takes forever to push myself to do chores and my room is pretty much chaos.
    Omg, I relate to all of this, word for word. I am often hired for jobs because I give such a prim and elegant presentation in job interviews and the hiring boss is like "you seem like you are the kind of person who is organized and on top of things", little do they know what I'm really like . When I was in school everyone thought I was studious and organized because I had good posture and was dressed elegantly and had a quiet well spoken voice, but then they'd look at my locker/book bag/room and be like, "WTF, YOU OF ALL PEOPLE?" I'm probably the least organized person I've ever known, but at least I know how to make myself look nice and create the allusion of a put together individual (Fe creative ftw).

    I also keep all my clothes on the floor, both dirty and clean with no organization (my floor is carpet and clean, so it's not so bad). I just can't justify spending the time to hang my clothes up in a closet or put them in drawers when I can just as easily find them in the clean clothes pile in my room. Often times I'd be that girl who would go to work in a cute outfit, spend time on my makeup and think I look good, but not notice that my black outfit is completely covered in cat and dog hair until it's pointed out by someone. -__-

    Also, I think I will look nice when I go out, but then someone will always point something out that is off about my outfit (like my shoes not matching or a hole being in my shirt, clothes being wrinkly, or my clothes looking ragged and old because it is a cheap forever 21 shirt that has been washed a thousand times). I will also wear the same clothes and shoes for years until they literately fall apart at the seams.


    I only exercise when I feel myself getting stagnant and I try to eat healthy cuz I have an awful immune system but I don’t like complex dishes so my diet consists mostly of eggs, steamed veggies, and rice... and whatever fruit I decide to buy that week. Cream cheese and bagels are a staple. So is cereal..... Just anything easy tbh lol. I’d rather spend my time doing other things than taking care of myself as bad as that sounds. I mean, at least I still look cute so whatever
    Same, except I also like to exercise for aesthetic reasons as well as mental health reasons, but I really have to push myself and look at pictures of fitness models for motivation. My diet is also simple like that. I hate cooking anything complex because I feel like there is no point in putting in all that work when food is going to be nothing more than fuel for my body. I also try to eat healthy for health reasons (sp first problems), so rice and microwaved vegetables has been my staple meal for now (if I ever cook a meal, it's an easy to cook meal, like sausages and canned vegetables). Most of the time (especially when not on remeron) I won't even cook myself meals, so I will just have a piece of bread with peanut butter or a bagel and cheese for dinner. Sometimes I will boil a bunch of red potatoes and just eat off of them for days. When I was seeing a personal trainer I drove her CRAZY with my bad eating patterns and refusal to cook fresh meals everyday, as she made me log in everything I ate into the myfitnesspal app and wanted me to eat 2600 calories worth of chicken and vegetables all day long... that was a huge headache.

    My EII sister has Si HA, and once a month she will cook a big fancy complex home cooked meal just for herself (and she will offer me some), and I honestly don't understand why she does this... like, I can't find a logical reason for anyone to do that unless they are trying to impress someone.

    I can’t stand seeing mold or dirt tho, that shits nasty and I’m pretty sensitive to smells as well. My LIE uncle lives like a fuckin troglodyte and idk how he does it tbh cuz there is literally phlegm from him spitting rimmed all over his bathroom sink and his shower is slimy as fuck, like GROSS. I thought my Si was bad but jfc lol. Also whats interesting to note between our supervision relationship is while I’m better at Si stuff than he is, he refuses to listen to any of the advice I give him regarding to it cuz I “live like a single man with no direction in life” )
    I also get squeamish over dirt and grime (especially dirt, food or sand in my bed), and I don't like to have a dirty body. When I used to share a shower with my EII sister, she used to put her hairs all over the walls of the shower and that drove me insane.

    Another weird Si related thing is that I have to sleep naked. I can't sleep with clothes on because it feels too suffocating and all the fabrics pressed against me irritates me so I can't fall asleep until I take them off.

    Also, I can't do fake nails or hair extensions, and I don't like false lashes (I would wear them a handful of times a year when I worked in cosmetics, whereas my coworkers wore them daily). I don't like the way all that extra stuff feels on me and I can't justify spending the time to do all that stuff when I think I look fine without it. I also rarely style my hair, I usually just wash it twice a week, blow dry it and brush it everyday to keep the knots out.
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    I don't see Si as being the perception of affinity for qualities of things, but the internal management of one's response to those qualities. A Si lead will have knowledge of what will make him more comfortable, but will also be able to withstand an inordinate amount of discomfort by way of tempering their response or adapting their behavior to the offending thing; consider the jolly sheet-metal worker. They're often described as hedonistic, but consider what actual hedonism is; the ability to find enjoyment in little. Noticing things in the environment is just perception, there's nothing much else to say about it.

    I can't imagine there being too much evolutionary advantage to sitting around stroking oneself all day, so it's strange to me that it's taken for granted that Si leads are beholden to their desires when they're the exact people who should have most control over that domain. (A general observation, not directed at anyone in particular. I think of wikisocion)
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