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What kind of university/college degrees fit SLIs/ISTps?
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Last edited by Reyne; 04-03-2020 at 05:29 PM.
Degrees involving practical order and technology.
My SLI father has a degree in law but never practiced (other than working for a short time for his lawyer uncle. I think he got it to please his mother, because he told me he hated the "doing" part while still being interested in it) and his jobs were all in finance.
My SLI ex-wife has degrees in Library science and Information (something to do with computers, I should ask her), and now works in the Law School of the local University.
My SLI son hasn't decided what he wants to do yet. He expressed an interest in law, but I can't see him following through on that. He is too practical, too hands-on. He likes the ordered world that results from Law, but not the abstractness of achieving it.
A couple SLI's that I've worked with have degrees in Physics. Neither are great theoreticians, but are very good at doing practical things, like writing proposals and especially status reports.
I have a customer who employs an SLI as manager of their engineering department. He's pretty good, but not terrifically assertive. He told me that on the day that he was promoted to that position, the company owner failed to announce his promotion to the company, and the SLI seemed unable to take command naturally.
I have a good friend who is SLI and worked for Siemens for many years writing computer code. When he lost his job during a reorganization, he could not find a job. I stepped in and talked to a company that I thought needed his talents, told them to get together, and he's been happily working there for the last five years.
Take-away: SLI's are diligent workers who see the practical side of things very well and will quietly and competently do what needs to be done. Their Te is creative, so they are good at business logic but not obsessive about it. They are the bedrock of modern society, but they are terrible at selling themselves, and therefore need a clearly defined career path with clearly defined milestones and objectives. They seem to prefer a relaxed atmosphere to work in, and have low expectations that a job will be fulfilling. Their satisfaction seems to come from building secure relationships of lasting value with their extended families.
Something to do with electronics is a good one, if you're working with circuit boards, then you're applying some tech-y stuff - a good mix of hands on and technical knowledge.
That's very difficult to say but...
I have an old SLI friend who took a degree in geophysics. He then proceeded to PhD and now he is a researcher.
It's obviously Si-inspired, although the actual work is not Si at all. But he is working in it. Something like analysis of ocean currents and sun radiation absorbed by sea ice. Includes field work. A quite special and limited field though. I don't know all.
So something like that, I would assume. Physical geography, biology, geology etc. But you don't get to use your base function in any university field, so that's always a problem. It's just that some fields have more attraction on Si types. Like I myself was interested in chemistry and geology. Although there is no Si involved in the actual studies/work.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I can't think of 1 philosopher in history that was SLI or SEI. That's an amazing accomplishment to fully lack the ability to use introspection and self-reflect onin an academic capacity.
Philosophy seems like a waste of time to me, I may not live life as much as I should, but I know that no matter how much I philosophize, food won't appear on the table.Originally Posted by hatchback176
I can't think of 1 philosopher in history that was SLI or SEI. That's an amazing accomplishment to fully lack the ability to use introspection and self-reflect on
For myself as an SLI, their approach to life is more their way of philosophy, rather than to write about it, hence they can become interested in all sorts of activities, meditation, hiking etc, it's all about a way to bring balance to the inner world with the body.
A living philosophy (S), rather than a written one (N).
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Well, I think they can become good in electronics. That would be more like engineering route than science route but it depends what are the offerings by university/college.
(Constant attention on circuits drove me nuts on electronics courses I took.)
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You can easily findPhilosophy seems like a waste of time to me, I may not live life as much as I should, but I know that no matter how much I philosophize, food won't appear on the table.
For myself as an SLI, their approach to life is more their way of philosophy, rather than to write about it, hence they can become interested in all sorts of activities, meditation, hiking etc, it's all about a way to bring balance to the inner world with the body.
A living philosophy (S), rather than a written one (N).
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philosophers. Buddhism and Martial Arts are all about meditation, nature, physical activity mind-body balance and entire philosophical doctrines, not
I never said those things were Si leads, or that SLI's will all be into those things, just like not every Ni type is a philosopher. It's an overall view of your typical SLI's approach to life - the living philosophy rather than the written one.You can easily find
I'm not sure what the point of your post is other than to have the opinion that philosophy is great and that everybody should be into it haha.
As for the types of philosophers, or LSE philosophers, I don't know a lot about philosophers in general, but there's bound to be some from the enlightenment movement that are LSE, Kames seemed LIE to me, or perhaps LSE, but, I haven't read enough or remembered enough to care.
I think Langan is an F type, he could be SEI, so, if what he does is philosophy, then I suppose there's an example of Si type.
any technical. better where you don't need to develop new, but to use the known, to copy, to improve. closer to technician, than engineer. to applied level than to abstract/general
industrial design, web design, art design, technician, accountant, logistics, supplies
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More skilled trades sociotype before academic career. Sorry that's just my opinion.
Any degree the SLI wants to get. Job/field choice isn't related to Socionics type.
The SLIs I know are: marine biologist, Army intelligence, commercial pilots, diesel mechanic, furniture maker, artist, chef
They each seem satisfied in their chosen professions.
I don't know why a simpleton would comment on my observation in the 1st place just to confirm the stereotype.
I don't know if he counts but the zen and art of motorcycle maintenance guy seems like a SLI "philosopher", maybe its just a love letter from an IEE tho
I do feel like a lot of SLI philosophy is just implicit in their work, in the same way a lot of ethics are implicit in human dramas that play out prior to their linguistic codification. to say there are no SLI philosophers it to define "philosopher" as someone who procudes such a tract, but its analagous to saying that until a person produces an ethical treatise they're not an ethical thinker. the bottom line is we actually need forms of philosophy to be ensconced in things other than text in order to move things forward, just as much as we need the codifications. yes this is a broad interpretation of "philosopher" but I guarantee you there are SLI "professors of philosophy" in various colleges around the world. The question is how do we define philosopher
Relates from average interests and abbilities side depending from the type. You'll don't meet equal number of types in some occupations and posts. The higher requirements there, the more clear types disproportion will be.
With the wrong choice the job will be lesser pleasant, harder and with worse career.
For example, being IEE imagine yourself as an accountant. Also would be interesting to find how many IEE are among chief accountants.
I know an IEE accounting major. If you're right, he's in for a depressing life.
no usually what happens is they find a situation where someone in charge recognizes they're bad at the technicals but they're fun to have around, so they find a place somewhere where they're risk managed despite themselves
this is actually a loose description of what SLI functions to do
I had good grades in school at all subjects and it was really hard for me to choose, what to study. I started to study and ended up leaving environmental science and then mathematics/statistics couple of years later.
Then I worked as a teacher`s assistant in pre-school and it was a disaster. This year I started to study library and information science and It is better now, because this allows to work in different fields.
I haven't found my true calling or abilities yet, but I hope to. (This time I wont drop out. It is the last time, no time.)(I believe that I am SLI)
Are you thinking seriously in getting into the class room again?
From what I've read, I suspect that you are pretty much like me, so I suggest taking a much more hands on area of study and work. Also there is no need for getting a degree if you think that it will be hard for you to complete and there exist the possibility that you'll get bored in the future and decide to not even perform in your field of degree. I studied Fine Arts and Graphic Design. I hated school and I didn't wanted to force me to do stuff that I wont like (I pretty much did the degree because of my dad's pressure anyway, since I was thinking in work and travel). I've never worked as designer, properly, because I dont enjoy it.
I think there are other options of fields that you can master without going to university and have a more or less decent income with future possibilities. However, the KEY for you would be FINDING something that you ENJOY. You'll probably drop the rest (if you dont have external needs that force you to keep going on with it). So, the better for now is finding what you enjoy and going after it.
Lacking motivation because having problem in seeing attractive options or because its not enjoyable anymore (Si/Te/Ne) is something that happens often to SLIs. I also think you are specifically in need of profitable short term options . When I was young I remember being always excited about new possibilities that were profitable in the equation time/effort/result (short time, less effort, better result, higher income), in less effort I don't mean doing nothing, but doing something that was not hard for me to perform or realistically achievable, not necessarily easy or achievable for everybody else but for me. And with better result and higher income was something I could do and enjoy doing it (or at least not suffering it) with a decent income. Having benefits in relatively short term is key for considering something as option.
Anyway, this is a list taken from MBTI but I think its accurate and could be useful for you:
I've met 3 SLIs irl, they have worked as:
-Chef. He also has worked in the airport (IDK what he was doing exactly, something like tracking the routes of airplanes through computer).
-Owner of mechanical workshop of motorbikes (he's not engineer and dont fix motorbikes himself, afaik). He worked in food business before or something.
-Mechanical engineer (currently working independently in home service fixing cars). Also has worked in physiotherapy, relaxing massages and similar stuff.
For my part:
-Art (painting, digital art, commercial artist, sculpture. Very enjoyable).
-Photographer Assistant (bad: long journals, being alert, not being able to sit or take a rest, invest in expensive equipment. good: high income compared to time/effort/study. No degree needed. A lot of freedom and free time).
-Graphic Design (meh).
-Music (very enjoyable).
-Bank accountant and customer service at bank (I enjoyed helping ppl but the daily interaction and lack of new impressions were killing me, slowly).
-Coffee shop manager (I got tired of customers and having too much interaction with ppl daily. Naturally, I got tired of it after 2 years when it became repetitive.)
-Sales and outsourcing (not recommended).
-Real State Agent (relative independence and free manage of time, forcibly you need to start in a company for learning).
Strat portrays SLI as golden hands but unstable and with a need of new impressions and a frequent change of environments (residency, company, work field etc). I suspect this happens more often without dual (Ne seeking). She says that SLI have a need for freedom and having open options. Also says that one of the best things could do due this tendency is being the owner of a small business. So you can consider that too.
Last edited by Hope; 12-10-2017 at 12:37 PM.
Agreed with @Syrup - I did pretty well at school but studying is a nightmare for me. My mother always said that my brother was one for studying, but I was clever too, but I'm one for something more hands on, and she was right - mothers know best!!
I just wasn't sure if it was a me thing or an SLI thing in general. I've spoke to SLIs who've been the same, interesting there's more here like that too.
A recommendation from Gulenko's SLI type description:
'Try to find a job to your liking, which will fill your life with meaning, and will orient you towards the future. Enthusiasm for your work is a good cure for skepticism and apathy.'
I think it's important to find a job you like, or even one you can tolerate. A level of independence is a decent compromise for a requirement.
Hehe
Or you can dance:I love meat and have an obsession for blades. I could become a butcher
https://youtu.be/txLnHStOzVA
I knew an ISTP in other forum who were doing swords and working with metal, something like this:
https://youtu.be/DdRrXZoQ8wo
I used to watch vids of krav maga and teasting of weapons in ballistic gel and stuff like that, maybe you'll get inspired.
This guy skills are impressive too.
https://youtu.be/Qzhs1Z8Rwnk
My SLI hubby is a dentist, and the rush to multi task patients - getting one numb, then getting up to check another - is very hard on him. He's built to sit and focus on one thing.
He was a Biology major, with a Masters and ultimately a Doctorate degree, but it was a difficult road for him.
When I ask what his original plan was before dentistry, he mentions film. He has an incredible eye and memory for film editing, movie soundtracks, and the like.
Another area that I see him excelling in would have been exercise physiology, nutrition, personal training, etc. SLIs can be very in tune to their body.
Electronics also seems like a good fit, or car reviewing in general. He used to change the lights within his car interior to make them more ambient, or to match them for consistency. He's very good at working with his hands and installing these sorts of things. He's made YouTube post reviews on third party car parts, and they're always very detailed, and get tons of hits.
But yes, @Syrup had an incredibly insightful post. I agree her, especially the SLI's inability to "sell" themselves, yet their need for some freedom and breathing space / new environments in their work place.
And if God cares so wonderfully for flowers that are here today and gone tomorrow, won't he more surely care for you?- Matthew 6:30
Engineering, applied science, environmental science (bio/chem/geology/climate etc.), health are the most obvious ones. I know an SLI doing quantum computing and another doing 3D printing. Cool stuff.
I know two SLIs very well. Both are high school drop outs that are skilled with cars and computers especially, but can fix/build just about anything. Very intelligent but lacking the patience for academia. My dad the SLI dropped out at sixteen, starting a carpenter apprenticeship and has had the same job for maybe 35 years. Great benefits (Union) and good money. I've asked him if he has any interest in pursuing computer programming or repair as an actual career since he enjoys it as a hobby and he said he would hate to have a desk job. He also doesn't read at all but devours educational television. I've always kind of assumed that he was some sort of mechanical savant that wasn't particularly book smart, but it turns out he is surprisingly great at spelling/vocabulary and geography and things like that. I don't really know how to entertain myself with him so recently I've started quizzing him on random topics and I'm surprised by his knowledge since he hasn't read a book since maybe 8th grade. Oh and it turns out he used to play the piano. Wtf. I've never even witnessed my dad singing along to a song before. I wonder if he does it in the car alone lol.
Last edited by schwiftyrickty; 12-11-2017 at 11:31 AM.
I have small hands and I'm bad with them. is the good life off limits to me?
Same.
Except that I'll probably forget about the second if it repeats in more than 3 occasions.
I do forget about most of the fantastical movies I see at this point, for example.
I would have expected that my memory would get better with age, but it results the opposite.
Between more stuff I see, less I can retain. lol
In school, I used to read my class notes one hour before exams so I could have the answers for the test.
The next day I'd probably forget about it all.
I though that I could have ADHD but tests say the opposite.
Maybe its just monumental disinterest or maybe SLIs are just extremely practical individuals.
Anyway, I retain other stuff in automatic (subconscious) way that I think its not very important but probably it is for the sake of my IEs program. For example I for sure would remember for fair enough time if someone makes me feel uncomfortable more than once, for example. But tell me your name and probably I'll forget tomorrow.
And yes, making sense and relevance is the key, not just for memorizing, but for doing almost anything.
https://www.coursera.org/learn/learning-how-to-learn
Do this course. Learn whatever the fuck you want to learn. Middle finger to the people who say you're incapable of something.
If you're not picking something up, it's because you're not engaging it in a way that suits you. Figure out how people learn in general. Figure out how you personally like to learn. And then shape the material so that you're taking it on in the way that you're good at learning.
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