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    What are ESEs really about?

    It's easy to find "purposes" or ideal activities for types such as LII, ILE, LSE, LIE, IEE, EIE etc

    But ESE?

    From a pure functional perspective. What is ESE about?

    Maybe cooking with enthusiasm??



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    ESE's exist to give Fe to LII's and thus prevent them from blowing their brains out from existential despair and going extinct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    What are ESEs really about?

    It's easy to find "purposes" or ideal activities for types such as LII, ILE, LSE, LIE, IEE, EIE etc

    But ESE?
    What am I reading?

    ESEs have the biggest purpose in the preservation of the human kind: breeding.

    We all know that ESEs and LSEs are the moms and dads of humanity. Plus they are hard and responsible workers. System still working for the rest of us just because of Sjs.

    Edit.

    Now, jk aside, I agree with a single concept in mbti of setting certain roles for types, because it give us a clearest picture or idea about the purposes that types have in society.




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    there's some clock of socion articles about this. the general idea is they fill a categorical role as part of a quadra, which each quadra has a type who fills that same role. the specific character of ESE is just a product of alpha quadra at large, their actual role is generic to the socion. in other words, Adam's obtuse comment was somewhat correct in the sense that you have ESE because LII, but not for the reasons he gave

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    The female ESFj’s represent the ‘dream’ mother or nana type who feeds others well, are hospitable, pulls off social events effectively, provides a warmth to others where they can be accepted straight into the family as a fully fledged member.

    Think of everything to do with holiday seasons...that’s their forte.
    Think Father Christmas.
    Think of that person after Christmas at the department store counter returning the faulty gift someone received which needs to be replaced or refunded for most of them will be of this type.

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    Hmm, So I guess what I am asking is what would the best expression or fulfillment of the functions FeSi be?

    Or lets put it this way...

    Looking only at functions:

    LIIs can analyze
    ESEs can ???


    Lets say you want to fulfill yourself functionally (socionics) as an ESE

    I can easily see this in LSE, but with ESE it is more difficult.

    I've known many ESEs but as a type they are somehow vague. Lacking an agenda

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    From my experience ESEs are one of the most resilient types when it comes to work and physical pain. They keep an eye one others, protect them from unfair treatment and with their dislike for "serious talk" in favor of joyful conversations they can create a save haven for vulnerable individuals, friends and family. Often they are excellent organizers and know how to deal with money. With their tendency for perfectionism and overfriendliness they attract individuals who seek warm expressions of care. They don't dominate people ( I mean active use of Se) and are often interested in other people's insights and thoughts. So in general I would say one of their strenghts (call it purpose if you want) is to make people feel welcome, special and protected.
    Obviously they also have many weaknesses but I don't think that's the purpose of this thread.
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    t o m c r u i s e

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    ESEs aren't ideal, that's the thing. They just buy you donuts when you really want them or something. Some ppl are just meant to be basic caregivers and not super intellectual types. Don't bully them.

    (chris crocker voice) Leave ESEs alone.

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    They are the ones running the shows behind the scenes. Meaning comes from facilitating their small corner of the universe and making sure things happen within it. They find meaning in creativity, taking care of friends and family, studying beauty and the world around them, everyday miracles, finding something new, novel and entertaining.
    "Derp."

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    They are, as many other merry types, pillars of society as well. The PAC Mom who rally for a new playground, the friend who sits of on the Cultural Board of Directors, the parent who drove all the band kids 400 km for the concert. They find meaning in being an active part in their people's lives.

    They also find meaning in privately pursued Si activities, for example nicely explained in @sorrows grooming thread. (crafts, gardening, massage, shopping, flea markets, baseball games).

    To say they are not intellectual is a bit of a misstep (imho : D) . Some of the most intellectual conversations have lead by ESE, for example, Friday Night board game nights with lots of heated discussion about current events, the state of the world, projects shared, household stories. They are, imho, a very versatile type of person. Leaders, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shay View Post
    The female ESFj’s represent the ‘dream’ mother or nana type who feeds others well, are hospitable, pulls off social events effectively, provides a warmth to others where they can be accepted straight into the family as a fully fledged member.

    Think of everything to do with holiday seasons...that’s their forte.
    Think Father Christmas.
    Think of that person after Christmas at the department store counter returning the faulty gift someone received which needs to be replaced or refunded for most of them will be of this type.
    This so much.

    ESEs want to include people in settings where they can flourish, live life to the fullest, and be surrounded by goodness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletsanddoves View Post
    ESEs aren't ideal, that's the thing. They just buy you donuts when you really want them or something. Some ppl are just meant to be basic caregivers and not super intellectual types. Don't bully them.

    (chris crocker voice) Leave ESEs alone.
    No bullying intended. Buying donuts for those in need is a good answer imo.

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    The simplest answer: to share passion.

    Depending on education level, enneagram type, culture, upbringing, instincts, values etc. etc each ESE will have a different idea of how exactly to go about sharing said passion.

    We create our own agendas that will lead us into the best way to self-actualize.
    Last edited by sorrows; 11-11-2017 at 10:27 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I've known many ESEs but as a type they are somehow vague. Lacking an agenda
    Spend 5 minutes with an ESE and it will be clear- they do not waste time, they do not lack an agenda.
    You just might not appreciate/understand their agenda but most ESEs have a very clear agenda about what their are doing with their life.

    Our Ne allows us the ability to be a little chameleon- like at times. We are also flexible, open, dynamic.
    Ne in the mobilizing spot is a little "wild" card. You don't always know what you are going to get. This doesn't mean we are lacking. It means very few people can actually understand us truly (as is the case with all types).

    We have weak logic. So we might seem wishy-washy.
    The lack of logic means we aren't always so rigid or fixed in opinions and are open to new ideas, which may appear as a lack of agenda.

    But I would not mistake this for lacking in agenda.
    Last edited by sorrows; 11-11-2017 at 11:03 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    t o m c r u i s e
    ESEs don't pick fights and cause public scenes. Fe+si is about harmonizing, peacefulness and cooperation.
    Tom Cruise seems like a E8 though.
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    Social leadership at the grass-root level.....
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    The top socialite.

    I know no other type that manages people better at a broad scale than ESE. Even SEE can't keep up because works face-to-face, nor can the Beta extroverts because they need to team up first (Zhukov has the energy and organizational skills but lacking ethics, while Hamlet is not hands-on enough).

    ESE with valued/strong and demonstrative is a powerhouse on his or her own to me: Ej temperament. Their purpose, simply put, it to rally and entertain the people within all sorts of activities. I call them the whirlwind of the socion. The key word here is: participation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrows View Post
    ESEs don't pick fights and cause public scenes. Fe+si is about harmonizing, peacefulness and cooperation.
    Tom Cruise seems like a E8 though.
    Cruise is the 3w2 posterboy. He's a good example imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post

    ESE with valued/strong and demonstrative is a powerhouse on his or her own to me: Ej temperament. Their purpose, simply put, it to rally and entertain the people within all sorts of activities. I call them the whirlwind of the socion. The key word here is: participation.
    This is it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shay View Post
    The female ESFj’s represent the ‘dream’ mother or nana type who feeds others well, are hospitable, pulls off social events effectively, provides a warmth to others where they can be accepted straight into the family as a fully fledged member.

    Think of everything to do with holiday seasons...that’s their forte.
    Think Father Christmas.
    Think of that person after Christmas at the department store counter returning the faulty gift someone received which needs to be replaced or refunded for most of them will be of this type.
    I'm wondering, does a distinction to SEI need to be drawn more accurately here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I'm wondering, does a distinction to SEI need to be drawn more accurately here?
    That is what I was thinking. IMHO SEI is more of a caretaker than ESE (ESE is a "social" or "group caretaker". SEI is a family caretaker). SEIs have far more patience, calm, and attention to detail. ESEs are far too high-strung to be at home caring for family members full-time and long-term.

    ESE are energizers, SEI more caretakers, and don't mind staying home a lot more to caretake as in many cases they don't "need" social interaction as much as ESEs due to their dominant Si.

    I have several SEI friends and family members who are stay-at-home parents and maintain and organize their homes and family lives beautifully and with empathy. Some of which stay home full-time even after the children are in school to maintain the household and run it smoothly.
    An SEI sp/sx is the ultimate caretaker/spouse/guardian. It is literally their purpose.
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    Fe - emotional high state, social good/bad labels
    Si - comfort, beauty, health

    Fe is primary aim, Si - secondary
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrows View Post
    You just might not appreciate/understand their agenda but most ESEs have a very clear agenda about what their are doing with their life.
    Im thinking of agenda more in terms of ego functions. The person might have an agenda in his life of course but as a type the agenda might seem less clear.

    So FeSi might be something like expressing sensing-toned feeling or promoting sensations or maybe cooking with enthusiasm as in the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrows View Post
    ESEs don't pick fights and cause public scenes. Fe+si is about harmonizing, peacefulness and cooperation.
    Tom Cruise seems like a E8 though.
    ESE can be quite aggressive and demanding also. "Forceful harmonization." 😁 some ESE are a little crazy. All this Feeling trapped in sensation. Thats what I feel.

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    ESE's totally cause public scenes, lol

    dat fussiness. its okay though I know they mean well and wouldn't do it if they didn't think it was justified. its usually in reaction to someone else they perceive as having started it. the only way they'd cause a public scene out of nowhere is if they thought there was significant entertainment value. maybe they don't think of it as a "scene" as such, rather its just good old fashioned entertainment everyone should welcome and be grateful for

    which is fine, I bet LII loves it and everyone's got their foibles in someone's eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    I'm wondering, does a distinction to SEI need to be drawn more accurately here?
    Feel free to suggest something...
    I personally don’t for sure know an ISFp and how they function. I know a few ESFj’s from which I tried to sum up thier positive characteristics.
    On top of what I wrote they work hard and on the whole I have found them to be super nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    The top socialite.

    I know no other type that manages people better at a broad scale than ESE. Even SEE can't keep up because works face-to-face, nor can the Beta extroverts because they need to team up first (Zhukov has the energy and organizational skills but lacking ethics, while Hamlet is not hands-on enough).

    ESE with valued/strong and demonstrative is a powerhouse on his or her own to me: Ej temperament. Their purpose, simply put, it to rally and entertain the people within all sorts of activities. I call them the whirlwind of the socion. The key word here is: participation.

    My ESE sister chose to be a bartender for several reasons. One is that she loves being around people most of the time. At first she went to work as an activity coordinator for a nursing home, when she was still in high school, and she was very good at her job. She made an excellent patient advocate too even though it was not part of the job description. She would do things like notice patients who didn't have family and would buy them gifts for Christmas or their birthdays. Things they really needed like comfortable pajamas and slippers. She found out nurses were stealing these gifts and she was outraged and wanted to sue. lol We talked her out of it because it was not the way to resolve the issue. She also went to visit patients who were sent to the hospital since she knew most of them would not be coming back. The old people called her an angel (most people do). She did this on her own time, even after she quit the nursing home she continued to visit some of the patients.

    I think she chose to be a bartender because it allowed her utilize more of her strength which is being very good at making people feel good emotionally even > than comfortable. Although I am sure she has some Si strengths they are not as apparent to me except in the way she chooses to make her home very comfortable for herself, her partner and their dogs. I don't even know how many dogs they have now. I suppose her caretaking is more directed toward pets than humans. Her Fe is what humans get more of.

    She does seem to have a knack for looking at complete strangers and guessing what type of drink they will love. She has a huge following and when she leaves one bar or club her customers come with her. I think that is due to Fe since I have experienced something similar, but not as wide reaching, by using my own Fe. Her second career also involves dealing with people. She is constantly messaging me on fb to share her posts. Thing is I know the people on my fb and doubt they are in the market for what she is doing anyway. I tried to tell her that and she was like you never know so sometimes I do it just so she feels I am supporting her. I just limit the audience to very close friend and family since it really is not something most people want or can afford. She messaged me three times yesterday to remind me to post. I still haven't. lol

    When she just visited me I was overwhelmed with the details of planning my mom's birthday party and what food to get. There was also the issue of having a lot of people over. Somehow she ended up buying way too much food that she sent people home with after the party. Some is still in the freezer. She took over everything and even helped me get a great deal on a patio dining set because I had not gotten around to it and the one I wanted was advertised for one price and double at the store. I get shy to ask about the price for some reason but she talked to someone and got me the price I wanted because she knew I really wanted it.

    She is a few years younger than me but much bolder in when it comes to some things. Her life is about fun and activity. She works hard but takes a lot of vacations with her partner and friends. After visiting me she went home, packed, then went to the Dominican Republic to attend a wedding of a friend. She traveled with a group of other friends which is usually how she does things. In groups. She is the one who likes to think up fun and interesting things for her group which is pretty large. She gets them excited about going to Pride events (half my immediate family turned out to be gay) and things of that nature. Kind of her "cause" but she is not as much into protesting things as she is into making people feel a sense of togetherness. so I see how it is about harmony. Not saying she doesn't have her bitch moments but to me they look kind of cute. She is more likely to bitch about someone behind their back to us, then try to be friendly when everyone is together. She does not really care for drama even though she has had a bit which is normal when your inner circle is huge. She can't seem to keep it small.

    She is very sweet, kind and all around special person. I think Fi ignoring is pretty obvious to anyone who knows her. She rarely excludes anyone even if she does not like someone she will not make a scene about it and makes an effort to get along. She will just complain to family or her partner. Her partner is SLE and will never let anyone disrespect her but allows her to do her thing. It is funny because my sister gets so much attention from both males and females so the SLE is often dealing with some issues of jealousy. I think they are good for each other since they match energy levels and both enjoy an active lifestyle. My sister is more outgoing than the SLE though so sometimes there is some friction but I have never seen them fight. They are cute together.

    One other thing I notice with her is everyone is a friend until they prove to be an enemy and it is rare for people to dislike her. I don't know what that is related to but she can go to a strange city and leave with a bunch of new friends who will keep in contact with her. I find the whole lifestyle exhausting but I have to admire her energy and spirit. My sister deals with a condition that zaps her energy and gives her chronic fatigue, I think it is EBV (something like that but she got it in her teens, at school, from drinking after friends and this is the result) which I didn't even know until recently. I was shocked since she is always doing something. I asked her if she ever just rests and she said on her days off she will sit on the couch and watch movies the whole day. I know I would not be able to push through like her. I admire that too. I asked her how she did it and she said she just does it. She doesn't know how but she can't just let her life fall apart because she is tired. She said being around people helps. I wonder if she will keep that spirit as she gets older. I imagine she will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    ESE can be quite aggressive and demanding also. "Forceful harmonization."  some ESE are a little crazy. All this Feeling trapped in sensation. Thats what I feel.
    Quite true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    participation.
    This is also a good ESE word.

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    To sing in a choir can be a good hobby for ESE.

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