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    Hello, I've been reading about socionics for a while but I'm kind of stuck right now. There's just so much information to take in and it would take me a long time to fully understand it. I've had some ideas about my type but the more I read about it the more confused I get and I'm back to square one so I could really use some external input right now and then go from there. if anyone could skim through this and tell me their general impression, it would be greatly appreciated.

    What is beauty? What is love?

    Beauty is the projection of a person's subjective worldview. What I see as beautiful is influenced by so many things and is constantly changing.

    Love is a mental connection between two people fueled by unconscious attraction. I've never been in love so I kind of have an idealized view of it and tend to be critical towards what other people consider "love". For example when I observe people who claim to be "in love" I have a hard time believing it because I can see all the potential problems they may encounter or how fundamentally wrong they are for each other, predicting how or when they are going to break up.

    What are your most important values?

    Honesty. If a person can't be honest with me or themselves I refuse to have anything to do with them.

    Goodness. I don't want to associate with "bad" people. With goodness I don't mean people who can do no wrong, but people who are "good" on a core level. I can sense that when I first meet someone.

    Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?

    I'm an atheist because god does not exist and I have a hard time taking religious people seriously even if I force myself to be more tolerant.

    Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?

    I think that war comes as a natural evolution of world events, there have been wars in the past and there will be in the future, even if the methods change.
    Never really thought about power, can't give it a definition as of right now.

    What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?

    I don't have a fixed set of topics that I only like to talk about. I'm usually open to any topic of discussion (sans small talk and gossip) if the person I'm conversing with is willing to dig deep. Some people find off putting how I have to google everything either to find out more about a topic or to confirm someone's claims.

    Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?

    No and I hate people who are obsessed with it. I'm not in tune with my body but it's not really an issue I'm concerned about. I have a hard time realizing when I'm sick and I also tend to overeat out of habit because I can't really tell when I'm hungry or don't really pay attention to it.

    What do you think of daily chores?

    I don't like them but I force myself to do them regularly and I feel a strange satisfaction seeing everything in order.

    Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.

    I'm currently watching Tarkovsky's filmography and quite like it. Partly because of the cinematography, it's aesthetically pleasing and I'd like to recreate a similar vibe in the photos I take and partly because his movies make me feel emotional even if I don't relate to the themes. At the same time I feel like I lack the ability to criticise them from a filmmaking point of view, which makes me feel inferior to people who can even without a background in cinema or whatever.

    I haven't read anything recently. If I do read, I stick to classics and some non-fiction. I don't really like fantasy/sci fi/etc.

    What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?

    As a teen I used to cry a lot, I was very sensitive and I still am but it's more repressed now so I don't cry as much. I cry when someone is trying to hurt me on purpose and they hit the right spot. In that moment I pretend not to care and have a ready reply too but then I have to hide in a bathroom to cry it out and reprimand myself for being so weak/sensitive. I also get randomly emotional when I'm alone contemplating the nature around me and i cry a lot at sad moments in movies and books too.

    I don't smile much. I feel like I have slow reactions and before I can bring myself to smile, the moment has already passed. I also don't see the point in smiling because it feels forced most of the time.

    Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?

    I feel like I only belong in my head. Most of the time I feel like I'm floating above the world, observing other people without including myself in the context of things.

    What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?

    I'm too quiet and shy. That's the only thing people tell me directly. If they dig a bit deeper they'd say I'm passive and indecisive, maybe boring and serious too. And if they go further they'll say that I'm too stuck on my opinions and that I always have to have the last word in arguments, even if I'm wrong.

    I dislike all of the above but at the same time I know those are all parts of me that I won't be able to really change completely.
    A weakness I have and that really frustrates me is my inability to formulate my ideas and arguments well.

    What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?

    People only give me credit for my apparent "intelligence" which is kinda sad. Especially because it's just apparent intelligence. I feel like I don't know anything at all and just fool people and myself into thinking that I'm smart. When people ask my opinion on something I'd put together information I've read from here and there and present it in my own way. It works but it makes me realize that I'll never master anything because I don't have the patience to stick to one thing for long enough to be considered actually good at it.

    I'm not sure what I like about myself. I have a sort of superiority complex, thinking I'm above everything and everyone but at the same time I'm deeply insecure and have low self-confidence.

    In what areas of your life would you like help?

    Taking charge, having more of a presence, being more decisive, being less reflective.

    Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.

    Yes, constantly. It would actually feel weird if I was content and knew where I was going with my life because I've accepted it as my inevitable condition.

    What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?

    I like people who are decisive, open minded, intelligent, sane, have their own opinions and are not judgemental.
    I don't like people who conform to society just to fit in, have wrong beliefs, are manipulative and pessimistic.

    How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?

    I want someone who is decisive, assertive but also sensitive and deep. A well balanced person.

    If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?

    I don't want kids but if I were to have one I feel like I'd end up being too controlling. I'd start with the intention of being a good parent who lets their kid experience life and make their own mistakes. I'd read a lot of books about child development and the best approach to take, I'd think about the kids personality and act accordingly and I'd try not to make the mistakes my parents did. At the end of it though I feel like I'd become an overly present parent, trying to control their every move and decisions in a subtle way, directing them to the right path.

    A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?

    If it's a stranger I'd feel irritated but probably stay silent, unless it was something I really cared about.
    But since it's a friend, I don't hold back. If I don't agree I say it and I don't try to be nice or patient about it. I realise some people find that annoying though.

    Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.

    I feel like I can't really judge, there are obviously things I dislike but what I dislike is what other people like and vice versa. When I hear people criticising an aspect of society it just seems so... biased I guess. If every person fixates on a different thing, that basically means that there's nothing objectively wrong with society as a whole.
    What I can say I dislike about society though is that it makes even the most individualistic person play by the rules.

    How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?

    I don't choose my friends. Sometimes there are people I'd want to befriend but I don't because I'm too shy and insecure. The friends I have weren't made by choice but by circumstance. I'm a very detached friend and not the type of person people go to confide in because I don't try to comfort people. Instead if someone comes to me with a problem (rarely), I'm honest and try to analyze how they'd come to that and how to solve it, which seems to be appreciated as it's a different approach from what most people try to do. I need a lot of personal space and I rarely miss people. I keep things to myself and I can't say I've ever confided in anyone.

    How do you behave around strangers?

    I'm quiet around strangers if I know I'm going to be seeing them again in the future, mostly because I have to get a feel of what kind of person they are before I expose myself even a little bit. This strategy backfires because people tend to get the wrong impression of me. On the other hand if it's random people I'll never see again, I can be uncharacteristically outgoing.

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    @parruc: IxI for sure. ILI, in my opinion. Ni Base and Se Seeking are extremely obvious, especially the latter. Because of such an evident contrast, I believe that you're the Intuitive subtype (ILI-Ni). The reason why I think ILI and not IEI is that you dislike people who conform just to fit in, which is very Fe PoLR. Consequently, you need SEE (someone decisive, that will help you taking charge and having more of a presence) not ESE. The fact that you collect and put together information shows Te valuing (and not Ti valuing) in a Creative position. I also think Gamma > Beta (ILI > IEI). I see no problem is saying ILI-Ni.
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    I concur, ILI.

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    Thanks for replying, ILI was what I was leaning towards too, going by exclusion.
    I relate to Gamma quadra the most and Alpha quadra the least so I looked more into Gamma types, ignoring the rest and I considered both ILI and ESI.

    My problem with ESI is that I'm not moralistic on a conscious level. I'd imagine an ESI to have a strict set of values they adhere to and that they are constantly checking and reevaluating them. I don't have that at all, I have a hard time even establishing what I like or don't like and even if I have some ethical values I find important, it's not something I think about. I also think I have weak Se.

    My problem with ILI is Te. Mostly because even if I value it, I feel way less competent than what I imagine an ILI should be. I do gather factual information but I do it just so I can have something I can quote to justify my ideas and opinions or just to satisfy my curiosity. I tend to overlook a lot of facts because I think I already know them or because I don't see them as important and I also think a good use of Te would imply a greater ability in constructing arguments, which I sadly lack. Another thing is supposedly having demonstrative Ti. As I read, the demonstrative function should be apparently easy to use but I just can't use Ti, at all. I get really irritated when someone comes at me with purely logical arguments constructed on thin air but that make sense from a logical standpoint. Even entertaining the idea of using Ti repels me.

    When I think I could be ILI, I start self doubting myself because I read that ESI can be often mistyped as ILI. Then again I think that Te creative is more likely for me than Se creative and I also relate a lot more to Fe PoLR descriptions than Ne PoLR ones, so there's that.

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    Hi there! It's pretty clear-cut, ILI. Likely subtype.

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    @parruc: Using Te Creative (and Ti Demonstrative) not so confidently it's another sign that you're ILI-Ni and not ILI-Te. The former has, in fact, weakened Logics (Te and Ti). Don't worry about the ESI thing: a lot of people mistype as their Hidden Agenda (Fi). In your case it's even more possible to mistype, since you have strengthened Ethics (Fi and Fe) and, consequently, a more visible Hidden Agenda.
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    Well, ILI-Ni it is then. It seems like the most useless type to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parruc View Post
    It seems like the most useless type to be.
    What makes you think that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    What makes you think that?
    Probably has low self esteem

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    Quote Originally Posted by parruc View Post
    Well, ILI-Ni it is then. It seems like the most useless type to be.
    Hah?



    No type is useless! And come on, creative is the exact opposite of that. Show confidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitry Golihov
    Te as creative function in SLI (ISTp; Jean Gabin) and ILI (INTp; Balzac) - this person very skillfully uses knowledge and facts, applies them creatively, an ideal lecturer, excels at giving instructions (he can, for example, teach skills needed for auto-maintenance). He can creatively and originally manipulate external objects that require hands-on work, assembly and disassembly. Many people of this type, as children loved construction toys. Fixing complicated household items is their favorite hobby, as this, after all, requires active application of objective logic. If such opportunities are not present, he may even deliberately break or deconstruct something and then proceed to fix it. At times, they may use an object not for the purpose that it was intended (e.g. using a microscope to drive nails). Such people are ideal as specialists for modernizing or upgrading anything, especially in the physical sense, as such a person has a keen eye for trends and laws of the objective world and knows how to isolate them and use them well. Sometimes he will move to a place where objective knowledge is scarce, somewhere far from civilization, where he will have a chance to demonstrate his knowledge and skill. He is well-versed in the current laws and order, their advantages and disadvantages, and skillfully maneuvers within them. If he is stuck in traffic, he might plot a very original route using roadsides and sidewalks, and feels like a duck in water in this activity. Capable of holding a multitude of facts of the objective world and putting them to use. A very practical person, able to improve and modernize anything in surrounding territory, as to make it better and higher quality, "a jack of all trades." Such people have a set of rules for themselves, but they are very flexible - some of them can be gleaned over, some of them can be substituted - there is a somewhat manipulative view of these. He might follow one rule in the morning, but in the evening follow a very different rule, simply because the situation has changed. Because of this, it is very difficult to negotiate (do business) with him. If there is a contract, he may at some point cancel it, simply because it is no longer favorable for him. That is, he views rules as something that can be changed at any time upon request of the parties involved. Because of this, it is often difficult to deal with such people in a business capacity, as in the business sphere a contract is a contract, it is not subject to revision every day or week. But here, dealing with him, it must be a contract without penalties in the event of dissolution. It must be established beforehand that it is something impermanent - a temporary solution adopted for some short period of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    What makes you think that?
    Other types seem more appealing and interesting to me and like they can leave a greater impact on others and the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Probably has low self esteem
    I guess lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Hah?



    No type is useless! And come on, creative is the exact opposite of that. Show confidence
    I'll keep that in mind, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by parruc View Post
    I'll keep that in mind, thanks

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    Some of my best friends are ILI's. When their Ni gets untethered from their Te, they can get a little weird, but otherwise, they are a great type. Actually nicer than me, usually.

    Plus, very, very smart, and once you get past the Fe-PoLR, very rational and funny.

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    I didn't mean for this to turn into a pity party, I feel uncomfortable now lol
    I'm okay with apparently being an ILl, I was just saying that if I had the choice I would want to be some other type.

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    Which type/s would you rather be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolnerd03 View Post
    Which type/s would you rather be?
    LIE, ESI, SEE, ILE... that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parruc View Post
    I didn't mean for this to turn into a pity party, I feel uncomfortable now lol
    I'm okay with apparently being an ILl, I was just saying that if I had the choice I would want to be some other type.
    It's okay!
    Now this could tell us something about valued/weak functions, what would be your dream type, and most importantly, why? (No matter the discrepancy between that and your actual type)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    It's okay!
    Now this could tell us something about valued/weak functions, what would be your dream type, and most importantly, why? (No matter the discrepancy between that and your actual type)
    This is going to be long. I'll try to describe what I like and don't like about each type and what I've observed about people of that type and my relationship with them. While we're at it please point out if I have some wrong understanding of a type or function.

    I wouldn't want to be any Fe type, ever. When I think of Fe I imagine an unidentifiable person with a smile taking up half their face scanning through the crowd, finding me hiding in a corner and running towards me creepily *shudders*.

    The only Fe type I would consider being would be ILE because... it would be fun and different, I don't know. On a side note all the ILEs I've met thus far (2 people) seemed to hate me for some reason. One of them bullied me in high school for being too quiet, he'd come in every day, tell me I'm too quiet and go about his business, it was weird. The other one is the boyfriend of a friend, every time we're in a group setting he singles me out from the group by pointing out how I don't fit in or he'll try to embarrass me in front of everyone. I guess what I admire about ILEs is how they seem to easily gain the attention of everyone and how they manage to socially fit in, having full control over groups. They are very confident and usually have a great intellectual ability too.

    The Fe types I get along with the most are IEI and SEI, although I have a love/hate relationship with the latter.
    SLE. Never had anything to do with them.
    ESE. They hate me, or maybe I hate them.
    LSI. My brother is one and he's cool but I don't think we would have had anything to do with each other if we weren't blood related. I know a whole lot about sports and videogames thanks to him.

    LII. I've only met one thus far and we were mentally attracted to each other (more like I was to him) but I felt like he was judging me most of the time. He was very unassuming and well liked by everyone, way more than I was. He was very focused on his goals, spent most of his time studying math and physics and excelling at it. I think I was a little envious of him. He just did whatever he wanted without caring about anything. We clashed once when I was telling him how being true to yourself and not falling prey to social pressure was the most important thing and him telling me that by doing that I would end up dying alone and that humans were after all social animals who had to follow social rules. It made me depressed for a week.

    EIE... I think my high school literature teacher was one but I'm not sure so I'll just describe our 'relationship'. I don't think I've felt more judged or "seen" as I was in front of him, ever. He was that kind of annoying teacher that insisted on having a personal relationship with all his students. He thought he could see everyone's weaknesses and elaborated a personal study plan for everyone, thinking he was helping when he was not. He played favorites, his favorite students tended to be of the Fe variety (an ESE, ILE, IEI and he liked to pick playfully at a LII). He ignored everyone else and he seemed to have a special aversion towards me. I hated the attention, I felt like I was being constantly watched. He praised my writing and my 'understanding' of things but he also wanted to have a say in my personal life, telling me I should be more social, that I should try to make more friends, etc. He made me hate literature and I never tried hard in his class. I remember one of the last days of high school I laughed out loud about something and he had to point out how he'd never seen me laugh before. I wanted to punch him in the face. Whatever his type was/is, I fully commit to hate it forever.

    ILI. I think I have one friend who is one. He's very Te focused and seems to be very emotionally challenged. He's never had a girlfriend and doesn't seem to have any interest in girls or boys. Now that I think about it he could be a SLI though. He doesn't seem very concerned about Se and he has no sense of fashion.

    SEE. Never interacted closely with one. There was this girl one time who took interest (not romantic) in me, but I felt too awkward to reciprocate her attempts at getting to know me, it felt too intrusive. Fundamentally I think we would never have anything to do with each other unless we were stranded on an island together. I would like to be a SEE in another life though.

    ESI. I'm not sure I've ever been close to one. I admire all fictional characters of this type though. I think it's a great balance of Fi + Se and I especially like people of this type who excel in creative fields.

    ILE. Never met one but I'd like to very much. I think it's the upgraded version of an ILI and it's probably the type I'd most like to be.

    EII. One of my closest friends is one. I think we're very different but at the same time we get each other. She seems to admire me and to put a lot of importance in my opinions. She often comes to me for reassurance but I most often than not stubbornly refuse to give it to her. I would never want to be a EII though, way too sensitive and easy to manipulate.

    IEE. Never met one. Don't think we'd have much in common. I might find them to be a little too much and they'd probably find me boring. I'd like to be one in a parallel universe, maybe.

    SLI. I find them too earthly, kind of cheesy in their interests, way too conventional and boring. We get along well usually.

    LSE. My mother's type. Never would wish to be one, ever. Too imposing and emotionally unstable, can't take any criticism, has blind confidence that masks her fundamental insecurity. It she wasn't my mother I'd take great pleasure in emotionally destroying all her artificial securities in less than a minute.

    In conclusion
    Type I'd most like to be: LIE
    Type I admire and would like to be: ESI, SEE
    Maybe, why not: IEE, ILE
    Kinda meh, but it's fine: ILI, IEI
    I'd rather die than be this type: ESE, EIE, LSE

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    @parruc: I confirm ILI-Ni. If you'd like to be (more of) a LIE, work on developing Te. Since you're the Intuitive subtype, you use more Ni and less Te than the average ILI. This could make you feel too much "unrealistic" or "impractical". But at the same time it reveals your strong need for Se.

    Your description of the SEE relationship shows that your Dual tried to closely interact with you, but your very strong Ni didn't feel at ease with such a high amount of Se and rejected her initiatives. Again, this is because you're an ILI-Ni, with a weakened Suggestive function. It means that you really need Se, but you may not appreciate too much of it, as it's very unconscious and you don't know how to react to it. I think that the Suggestive function, especially in Inert subtypes, should be treated carefully (I have the same problem with Fe).

    By the way, you seem to hate Fe, especially ESE (that I consider your Conflictor, at this point) and EIE (your Supervisor, you even talked about "feeling judged and seen in front of him", which is exactly what Supervision is about).

    Hope it helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    @parruc: I confirm ILI-Ni. If you'd like to be (more of) a LIE, work on developing Te. Since you're the Intuitive subtype, you use more Ni and less Te than the average ILI. This could make you feel too much "unrealistic" or "impractical". But at the same time it reveals your strong need for Se.

    Your description of the SEE relationship shows that your Dual tried to closely interact with you, but your very strong Ni didn't feel at ease with such a high amount of Se and rejected her initiatives. Again, this is because you're an ILI-Ni, with a weakened Suggestive function. It means that you really need Se, but you may not appreciate too much of it, as it's very unconscious and you don't know how to react to it. I think that the Suggestive function, especially in Inert subtypes, should be treated carefully (I have the same problem with Fe).

    By the way, you seem to hate Fe, especially ESE (that I consider your Conflictor, at this point) and EIE (your Supervisor, you even talked about "feeling judged and seen in front of him", which is exactly what Supervision is about).

    Hope it helps.
    Everything makes sense, grazie.

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