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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    The pseudo-victim-y-ness can be compared to when an EII goes off the rails when they're upset, acting all aggressive. It's transparent and pathetic, and to anyone who actually is a victim/aggressor I imagine it's off-putting or confusing. To other caregivers/childlikes, especially same quadra, it can be an effective if somewhat eye-roll-causing call for help.
    To me it just comes off as tantrumy hatefulness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Among not close or familiar people LSE often play Fe-image "all is ok" part of what mb depreciation of problems, including through joking.
    Yes.


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    seems you were lucky to communicate with E-1 version
    Do you think other E types (of LSE) do not lecture?


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    To me it just comes off as tantrumy hatefulness
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    Do you think other E types (of LSE) do not lecture?
    In case there is the common conjuction of lecturing and anger, apprehension: criticism, trying to do better, giving advices, - points to E-1. Common lecturing in good or neutral mood points to other E-type.
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    @Minde
    Yea lecturing too I agree, I've witnessed what you describe here especially about the eye-rolling call for help.
    @Sol
    I think that Fe image is also heightened in the E-3 LSE, while some other LSEs could appear more anxious instead of "everything is good."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    I think that Fe image is also heightened in the E-3 LSE, while some other LSEs could appear more anxious instead of "everything is good."
    Role function is often used to make good image for not familiar people or to impress an auditory. Some LSE may to be _more_ anxious, but they use role function similarly.
    Also when you feel good - there is more of the force (and a wish) to use superego functions. So Fe can be supressed or expressed non-naturally because a man is tired or in bad mood, not only in relaxed conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Anyways, to get back to the topic. So LSE and EII duality is hit or miss? Is that what everybody is saying pretty much, like there's something there but it's not "always" there but when it's there it could be good for both people?
    There is nothing in socionics or any reasonable typology that actually indicates you will have anything other than hit or miss.



    IME something is there but I never got far enough to run into the problems. I am an EII guy though so with LSE women it might have a different twist to it maybe?
    @UDP got a link to your thread of meeting someone form your quadra in public?
    I'm not sure what you are asking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domr View Post
    That seems like a healthy EII-LSE dual relations and you sound like a dick for backing out of plans after a person completely rearranged their day for you. Did you at least apologize?
    The better question would have been more about the context of the situation.
    If I answered your question as is, the answer would be misleading.
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    Ok so there is an ESTj girl at my job. We got along pretty quickly, talking seems effortless, she seems to say out loud she prefers my company over another co-worker and asks me to stay on my shift a little longer before I leave, and she playfully touches me. She is very attractive and I'm all about trying to go after her, she has other qualities that I also like. But she has a boyfriend, they have been together for less than a year. I don't want to be a scum bag that tries to go after another guy's girl but like.......come on, I try to justify with the fact that they aren't married so it's fair game, but it does seem not right. Someone convince me I should do this lol. Please.




    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    There is nothing in socionics or any reasonable typology that actually indicates you will have anything other than hit or miss.




    I'm not sure what you are asking about.
    You said something about making a thread in previous pages but forget about it.

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    I am going to tell this ESTj girl plain and simple. If things do not work out between her and her man she has my facebook and my number, I'll take her to this resturant we talkd about. I have nothing to lose since I will never see her again. To me it's worth it because I feel an effortless attraction there. It's so natural that when I actually TRY anything that's not really me with her it seems like she notices and is not impressed, but when I just go with my gut she usually reacts quickly and positively, it's like I am almost being demanded to stay myself, and that is an awesome feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Ok so there is an ESTj girl at my job. We got along pretty quickly, talking seems effortless, she seems to say out loud she prefers my company over another co-worker and asks me to stay on my shift a little longer before I leave, and she playfully touches me. She is very attractive and I'm all about trying to go after her, she has other qualities that I also like. But she has a boyfriend, they have been together for less than a year. I don't want to be a scum bag that tries to go after another guy's girl but like.......come on, I try to justify with the fact that they aren't married so it's fair game, but it does seem not right. Someone convince me I should do this lol. Please.

    You said something about making a thread in previous pages but forget about it.
    Go for it. Female LSE's don't exactly grow on trees. You might not find another one anytime soon.

    Several of the women I have dated were seeing guys at the time of our first date. After we started talking, they ditched the BF. My first GF was like that and so was my ex-wife. Note that neither of them were duals, though, but I guess I just seemed like the better deal to them for some reason.

    Just hang around her as much as you can. She'll quickly notice that you guys "click". Ask her if she wants to go to church or to some other social event.
    Unfortunately, even though my mother is LSE, I don't know what it is that makes an LSE female decide on a particular mate. But whatever it is, you should have the best shot at providing it.

    Maybe ask @Director Abbie, or @Sol might give you some hints.

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    Hello, I have been summoned. What is the question? Do I need to read the whole thread?

    How to get an LSE woman to like you?
    "Just hang around her as much as you can."
    This is good advice.
    And I'd say don't make it clear that you hope it will be more. Let her get attached to you first.
    If you come on too strong, she might not push you away, but it would show her that she doesn't need to contribute much to keep your interest and won't be as emotionally invested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    asks me to stay on my shift a little longer before I leave, and she playfully touches me
    LSE do such only when like you indeed and want relations. Generally, LSE are not "playful" in other cases, as prefer serious relations, deep feelings. But she can be other type like ESE, SLI, SLE, etc. Or some chance you misunderstood her actions as "playful".

    > But she has a boyfriend, they have been together for less than a year.

    Another thing about LSE: we prefer clarity and faithfullness in relations. If she shows you special sympathy, not like to pal, - this means she' switching on you and other relations were broken. But in such case there would be a time at least monthes she came to norma to get the interest and show it to others. Probably that girl is not LSE.

    > I don't want to be a scum bag that tries to go after another guy's girl but like.......come on, I try to justify with the fact that they aren't married so it's fair game

    It's common concurency until they are not married. The relative exclusion may be is when people live together for long, especially if there are also kids.

    > Someone convince me I should do this lol. Please.

    Ask her - what relations she wants.
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    Being playful doesn't mean she's not LSE. LSEs are sometimes playful. We do value Ne, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Being playful doesn't mean she's not LSE. LSEs are sometimes playful. We do value Ne, after all.
    Thank you exactly.

    And she seems LSE because she seems Te first, but likes playful Ne. I imagine she wants me to stay around her at work because she has told me I help make her job less boring. In a playfully arrogant way she has said "You are here to entertain me."
    When she catches me slacking on the job she's quick to say "Stay on top of it!" And when she deals with customers she has a very neutral and calmly sure and assertive voice. This is actually what caught my attention, she forcefully but calmly demanded customers move out of her way, and my first words to her were teasing on her being mean to them lol. She quickly denied and then boom we just joked the entire time.

    Also when I tease her she playfully hits me or just bumps into me with a silent smile, and those moments are like a nice silent connection between us, like I get her or or something, perhaps it's her little Fi being touched.It seems like me teasing her is a guilty pleasure lol a playful weakness perhaps. And i love it. I also agree with the advice of not coming on too strong, I don't want to make it seem like she doesn't have to participate for this thing to work.

    And playfully touching I mean like she has grabbed my bicep to say hi to me, like a light squeeze, and she has slapped my chest when I make her laugh.

    I have also noticed like when I come around her work area during work and tease that I'm only there for something else and not there to see her, she acts playfully offended. But one time I said I was there to see someone else and even though she had a smile on her face she looked like she thought I was really being mean and her friend asked me why I was so mean. I thought to myself, if she has a boyfriend and indeed doesn't like me, she wouldn't care, but she looked like she cared, and that made me feel like I had a chance.

    Also my seasonal job with her has ended and I told her I would apply to the job across the street, she said I should, she'll be there, not sure if I should read into her mentioning that she'll be there, but I just took it as a sign that she likes my company.
    @Adam Strange Unfortunately I did not say anything along the lines of wanting to get with her. I said my goodbye and she said hers and it was very impersonal and she just told me to hit her up on social media. It made me sad that it was so impersonal, but I had to remind myself that perhaps it's just that she's LSE and I wasn't gonna get some emotional goodbye lol. I have an opportunity to meet her again at another job so perhaps I can hang around her as much as I can. Maybe I should have provided the emotion in the goodbye and said I was gonna miss her, in a playful but intentional way. And yea I think she is aware that we click. I wonder how she sees me in her head since she has a bf, perhaps a fun to be around brother? And that's interesting you said ask her to go to church, it's like you read my future plans or something. Thanks for the encouragement.

    Main reason I didn't not bring up my interest to her was because I told my LSE friend (who doesn't know about types and doesn't know the type of the girl) that I wanted to tell this girl who has a boyfriend that if she ever ends up single we should go out. Funny enough he told me, put yourself in the other guys shoes, would you want someone saying that to your girlfriend, have some respect for her relationship, don't do it, and if she leaves him for you she will leave you for someone else. And he managed to convince me. *sigh*

    I agree, LSE women do not grow on trees, the only other one I know, another mananger at my other job funny enough lol, is old enough to be my mom lol. She also found me funny when we first met.

    Thank you guys , I did not expect any responses but your responses helped give me more things to think about moving forward.

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