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    @Aki http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...identification

    Idk how accurate this is but it correlates face shapes to DCNH, it works for my case though.

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    I have a vague heart-shape, so probably closest to oval, which fits me without referring to any existing DCNH system, since i type as the Creative subtype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crAck View Post
    What's interesting is it makes sense for humans to start out H-like. H is max adaptability, and when we are children we don't have any control so all we can do is adapt to survive. It also makes sense for D to be the final step.
    This isn´t how many families work in 2018 (or even before). Mothers don´t kill their children if they "do not adapt" to what they require.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crAck View Post

    2. this is where i err'd. im not sure if you caught it, but for a brief time i had a post up saying each DCNH has 2, not 1 like Tallmo's thread says, boosted functions. one is boosted more from what ive seen, but i'll get to that in a second. H boosts both PoLR and Ignoring. what is EII Ignoring? Fe. what does Sol strongly insist? a high Fe type. secondarily in your case it seems, EII PoLR is Se -> Sol's Se valuing claims from you (but your insistence you dont)
    Idk what you're saying lol, H have boosted mobilizing and demo


    3. it seems odd, though, if we go by that one subtype VI wikisocion page, if you do have a "soft" face, that seems to mean you must be an Inert type. Fi-EII doesnt fit for you, not from how you seem. but i have a possible explanation for that. in that deleted post, i attributed a sub-DCNH Temperament to each main DCNH. that is: H, for example, primary function boost is PoLR, secondary is Ignoring. H1, H2. H1 is just H, H2 is D-H ("like" D). if this division is correct, and you are indeed H2>H1 as you seem to be, this explains why you are not super introverted-introverted-introverted (Inert subtype + Introvert main type + Introverted DCNH).
    you've lost me at H1.

    IEI N (oval) doesnt make sense Temperament-wise* nor function-wise (*N i simplify to 'sticks up their ass/rules (for themselves - they are not Ds)' guys).

    but who knows.
    I thought I was C... but maybe H makes more sense, Idk.

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    When people think about functional boost DCNH they usually fall in trap at looking the function in its purest form.

    How I view it:
    D . To be in charge.
    C To go against the establishment.



    How about role in N?
    Has somewhat realistic view of the world. Knows how it functions what to follow. Takes it in form a societal norm.

    How about PoLR H?
    This person tries his/her best to tolerate pressure and possibly adapts to it.

    but very very different.
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    C = heretics (and quite happy to fit this lol)


    anyway, I agree with what YXPR said, that DCNH can almost be seen as it's own separate theory and using the IEs to describe causes more confusion all around.

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    Stewie and Brian: Beautiful C & N couple?
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    Just came on to say from my observations H type has increased Fe and C type maybe increased Fi but in the context of myself and my duals this has already been said as in CReative function and POLR.

    ALso H type eyes for me I recognise as not harsh but receptive and kind of deep/penetrable, able to take stuff in, whereas C is the opposite kind of hard and flatter and a literal inability to take stuff in.

    EDIT Also another observation C types are over-represented among mothers I meet, I suppose having a child is a creative act. It sometimes makes for lack of supportive conversations though.


    EDIT: The mothers I meet are stay at home mothers, probably D, N, and H are equally mother but are less likely to stay at home possibly, that whole I can do it my way C thing
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    Maria (who is part of SHS, interprets for Dr G and does a lot of the Model G translations) mentioned DCNH subtypes of IEI quite a bit in this hangout recently completed.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yhl...K9kNkQ&index=4
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    Creative subtype? From sluggish cognitive tempo article.
    Johnny Head-in-Air is an absent-minded boy who seems unaware of his surroundings.

    Last edited by Troll Nr 007; 10-01-2018 at 08:56 PM.
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    I'm thinking few ILE's I know who make good stark contrast to me.

    First:
    Super impulsive guy who still has his life together. He has a safe base. This make me think of D type. He really thinks similarly when compared to mine thinking and solves problems similarly (when you look beyond the superficial mask). He has far more energy than I do. His PoLR is very clear and his Ni tends to be very Wile E Coyote kind of Ni. He also lacks the depth of thinking I have but on the other hand he is more of a doer. He came to me and apologized his behavior, LOL. He is very bipolar when it comes to those modes.

    Second:
    Very bland kind of guy. It is like he has some organization but also lacks all the edges. Has similar interest to mine. Hard to figure what he truly is without knowing more. That said the self control is more of self established which is a good thing. I'm inclined to say strong N.

    Me:
    Kind of sluggish at times with peaks of energy. I have always liked philosophical thinking and understanding depths. Low level of impulsivity. Depressive episodes. I have been called kind and nice person. People still say that when they know me better it is like I do not really but emphasis on feelings. I still know that I have PoLR. It sneaks out from somewhere like in terms of keeping right distance all the times and saying something randomly weird that cuts relational ties temporarily out of the picture. The only person that really get carried away this has been my supervisor type (EII-N).

    So based on this who am I. I'm again between C and H and possibly D.
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    I tend to see people lots of people settled in their ways everything seem so settled around them. You really have push something through around them. These people are normalizing.

    Then there are those who are on the pulse of time and do not usually see big picture from idealistic viewpoint (I like to call those people D's). They try respect standard protocol and provide it to N's. They try to push those protocols to C's as well but C's just I take care of it later in their own way.

    Then there are C's. They just do things in their own way. Hardly follow things to the letter. When I'm around some sort educational thing I just don't listen or I laugh at it how it demeans improvisational qualities of life. I only want the gist of it. They are usually internally focused. For example when I speak I do not look at people by taking deep concentration. Therefore my video followed some sort of rehearsed script when I only faced webcam. I usually go all over the place with my analysis. C's do not play normal social games.

    H's. They usually have fun when C's prod other people and tear new holes to the fabric of reality.

    D's will make C's work for them and C's will push their views on N's, N's just kick H's ass and finally H's will put D's in order.


    So if we think that D will provide some help to C's it is usually seen as too obtrusive when it goes too far. It hinders freedom. When C's might complete things for D the help hardly goes both ways. D's see C as uniquely resourceful people but ultimately out of place. For example I have seen N's and D's doing things for each other. C is the odd one out. They get no networking help in D/N environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    H's. They usually have fun when C's prod other people and tear new holes to the fabric of reality.
    Sounds relateable, maybe I am H after all xD

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    Aren't these DCNH descriptions somewhat skewed towards northern European / Anglo-Saxon and related cultures?

    How would a N subtype look like in a multi-active culture?

    https://www.crossculture.com/the-lew...-of-behaviour/
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    Came across an idea explained HERE that reminds me of DCNH because like DCNH it is not personality type per se, but more of a working style. It's about how you operate in a group or working environment. Like DCNH people of all personality types can be in any of the "culture groups" and people can operate in different ones at different times as well. One of the issues with DCNH imo is the use of the elements to describe them because then people get a little caught up in trying to match it with types, when if you take it as a separate system, not really a subtype - but more like an additional layer, like enneagram or similar systems add a different spin on your type it is a lot more useful.

    There's a little test HERE that says which category you fit in, but imo the explanation and the test don't really go well together, as the test categorizes you without nuance, not showing where on the graph you fall. They should do a test with results like the political compass imo, a bit more involved than the rather simplistic test, and a better demonstration of where you end up. If they'd done it like that my dot would be way to the right on the self side rather than the team side, in the independent section, but towards the bottom closer to the organizer area. On the simple test my result was independent.

    Comparing it to DCNH, I propose that dominants are the fixers of this test, creatives are the independents, normalizers are the organizers, and harmonizers are the stabilizers. Like DCNH I relate the least to the stabilizers (harmonizers) and fixers (dominants), the most to the independents (creative) with a small side-helping of organizer (normalizer.)

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    I started to look those items and was bit confused at first but the key word there are drivers and fears. So yeah it is like I'm independent and then fixer.

    It is like I look for stability (not order) but it is hard to get. I tend to get in serious problems with fixed rules and environments. I do not want to follow it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post


    I started to look those items and was bit confused at first but the key word there are drivers and fears. So yeah it is like I'm independent and then fixer.

    It is like I look for stability (not order) but it is hard to get. I tend to get in serious problems with fixed rules and environments. I do not want to follow it.
    That makes sense, you'd be firmly in the chaos half, in the independent quadrant but your dot more towards fixer. I also don't like fixed rules and environments, because it feels restraining, suffocating, but I do like to create my own order. So, the order has to come from me rather than being imposed from outside.

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    it's very interesting why people take seriously baseless heresies as subtypes, which are another typology
    more to say, from a dude which is not an author of the typology and hence that heresy is not Socionics from any point

    then by the usages of random wrong ideas are gotten and rationalized wrong types
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    "INFP EII"

    EII is the rational type. The dichotomy of rationality has identical description as judgment. It's nonsense to assign yourself the both dichotomies. If you got and sure having P by MBTI methods, then you can't be rational type in Socionics. Also INFP is IEI by dichotomies in Socionics and has other functions. There can't be switching as MBT typing methods are mostly based on dichotomies.

    I'm tired to see the evident nonsense on typology forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    it's very interesting why people take seriously baseless heresies as subtypes, which are another typology
    more to say, from a dude which is not an author of the typology and hence that heresy is not Socionics from any point

    then by the usages of random wrong ideas are gotten and rationalized wrong types
    @Venus Rose
    "INFP EII"

    EII is the rational type. The dichotomy of rationality has identical description as judgment. It's nonsense to assign yourself the both dichotomies. If you got and sure having P by MBTI methods, then you can't be rational type in Socionics. Also INFP is IEI by dichotomies in Socionics and has other functions. There can't be switching as MBT typing methods are mostly based on dichotomies.

    I'm tired to see the evident nonsense on typology forums.
    The main hole in your reasoning is that you assume that everyone uses the dichotomies to type themselves in MBTI when on MBTI forums that's frequently looked down upon. Most are encouraged to type via the functions and then place dichotomies second. Moreover, the high level descriptions in MBTI are problematic since they place stronger emphasis on the extraverted function which doesn't make sense. And, rationality and judging are not the same thing in all respects, especially when it comes to temperament if you're using the high level descriptions as your guide. For example, whereas Ij in socionics is characterized by a need for and desire to obtain stability, stability is most commonly associated with MBTI Si. I personally disagree with the MBTI interpretation of sensing functions, but when you're using that system you have to abide by those definitions for it to be useful. Another example is that gamma types are characterized as having a plan to see their vision fulfilled. That's a very NJ idea in MBTI if we're going by the high level descriptions.

    This is the exact problem I've talked about before. If there is no standard for how to type in either system, then there will be inconsistency everywhere when trying to translate between them. So, when translating, unless you're being consistent with your mechanism of typing, it's completely pointless. For example, if you're just using high level descriptions, then I think it's very likely that most INTJs in MBTI will type as LSI in socionics.
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    @FarDraft
    Your avatar is inspired by Ti - your base function. Clear logical laws of the game with simple black/white dibs. That desk is the system. You like this.
    It's not the probalistic mess of Te.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    Obama is the best, hard for me to see him and the zucc being the same type though
    I have them as business relations EIE vs LIE but the autism is strong in zucc

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    https://www.tutorialspoint.com/indiv...p_behavior.htm

    Task-oriented Roles

    Roles allotted to individuals according to their work and eligibility is known as task-oriented roles. Task-oriented roles can broadly divide individuals into six categories initiator, informer, clarifier, summarizer, reality tester and information seekers or providers respectively.

    • Initiator − The one who proposes, suggests, defines.
    • Informer − The one who offers facts, expresses feelings, gives opinions.
    • Clarifier − The one who interprets, defines, clarifies everything.
    • Summarizer − The one who links, restates, concludes, summarizes.
    • Reality Tester − The one who provides critical analysis.
    • Information seekers or providers − The one who gives information and data.
    Relationship-oriented Roles

    Roles that group individuals according to their efforts made to maintain healthy relationship in the group and achieve the goals are known as relationship-oriented roles. There are five categories of individuals in this category − harmonizer, gate keeper, consensus tester, encourager, and compromiser.

    • Harmonizer − The one who limits tension and reconciles disagreements.
    • Gate Keeper − The one who ensures participation by all.
    • Consensus Tester − The one who analyzes the decision-making process.
    • Encourager − The one who is warm, responsive, active, shows acceptance.
    • Compromiser − The one who admits error and limits conflict.
    Individual Roles

    Roles that classify a person according to the measure of individual effort put in the project aimed is known as individual roles. Five types of individuals fall into these roles − aggressor, blocker, dominator, cavalier, and avoidance.

    • Aggressor − The one who devalues others, attacks ideas.
    • Blocker − The one who disagrees and rebels beyond reason.
    • Dominator − The one who insists superiority to manipulate.
    • Cavalier − The one who takes part in a group non-productively.
    • Avoidance − The one who shows special interest to avoid task.
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    Normalzing subtype. The source of putting toilet paper the right way and toothpaste squeezing jokes.

    Example of D+N pair. The woman (-N) tells her pseudo psychopathic husband (LIE-D) to pick up towels.


    Truly dominant extroverted people are extremely overwhelming (they basically make me shit my pants).

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