SLEs and cars

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Why do SLEs on facebook always show off pictures of their cool looking cars and why am I always pathetically very impressed by this? It's pretty shallow and juvenile, objectively speaking.

[golden]

They do it obvs bc it's the ultimate shiny power object. You're pathetically impressed because the SLE would actually take you somewhere in that car and it would be exciting.

[Chae]

Very good question to discuss actually.

My take on it: Because they need something else in material shape to compensate for insecurity, an emptiness inside, feeling small, powerless, not masculine enough. Masculinity always has to be achieved, it's not inherent (pretty stupid - if you're a man, you're masculine, period). So: Cars are like second dicks to own.

You as an intuitive/ lead don't need these compensations but this opposite behaviour is terribly intriguing as it's flashy and different, so real. And as a gay person, you like anything phallic - so naturally there is an attraction even if you don't notice it's a masculine compensatory display of ownership going on.

Agreeing with @golden as well

[silke]

I haven't really seen this about SLEs. If you visit the ESTP Facebook group and go to "Recent Group Photos" on right side bar, you won't see a single post or picture of cars in there. A lot of the pics in there are actually about sex (fe hidden agenda? ) and photos they took while traveling.

The couple people that I've seen to regularly post pics of their muscle cars on FB are IEE 8w7 and ILE 7w8. I would guess this is because role Se is child-like and is easily impressed by shiny objects, so they get giddy and show them off as if saying "look at this new toy I have", while the 7/8 axis is very much extroverted and oriented at playing around with the outside world.

Whenever LSIs and SLEs bring up their cars to discussion, from what I have seen, it's usually to seek technical advice rather than to show off. "Shiny objects" are short change for the 4-dimensional sensing base function of a SLE. Its scope is much more extensive, and their outlook on sensory things at least by the time they near 30s has been mature.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Whenever LSIs and SLEs bring up their cars to discussion, from what I have seen, it's usually to seek technical advice rather than to show off. "Shiny objects" are short change for the 4-dimensional sensing base function of a SLE. Its scope is much more extensive, and their outlook on sensory things at least by the time they near 30s has been mature.

Yeah idk, there can also be a big diff between Se and Ti estps.

"My take on it: Because they need something else in material shape to compensate for insecurity, an emptiness inside, feeling small, powerless, not masculine enough. Masculinity always has to be achieved, it's not inherent (pretty stupid - if you're a man, you're masculine, period). So: Cars are like second dicks to own."

Interesting, but I think they are naturally already masculine and the cars are just already adding to the obviousness of this fact. But yeah it is typically masculine and campy gay porn-y and that's why I also am drawn to it. I don't think it's just a gay thing though- because if a SLE woman showed me her ride I'd most likely get a spiritual boner as well.

[Exodus]

I haven't really seen this about SLEs. If you visit the ESTP Facebook group and go to "Recent Group Photos" on right side bar, you won't see a single post or picture of cars in there. A lot of the pics in there are actually about sex (fe hidden agenda? ) and photos they took while traveling.

The couple people that I've seen to regularly post pics of their muscle cars on FB are IEE 8w7 and ILE 7w8. I would guess this is because role Se is child-like and is easily impressed by shiny objects, so they get giddy and show them off as if saying "look at this new toy I have", while the 7/8 axis is very much extroverted and oriented at playing around with the outside world.

Whenever LSIs and SLEs bring up their cars to discussion, from what I have seen, it's usually to seek technical advice rather than to show off. "Shiny objects" are short change for the 4-dimensional sensing base function of a SLE. Its scope is much more extensive, and their outlook on sensory things at least by the time they near 30s has been mature.

I could not disagree more with this. Showing off your shiny possessions is 100% an Se lead behavior.

[The Reality Denialist]

car / penis theorem
The relation between car size and penis size. The car / penis theorem denotes the relationship between a vehicle owned by a male and the size of his sexual organ. As the size and overall cost of the vehicle increases, the average penis size of that vehicle's owners decreases in a linear fashion.

No wonder, there must people with negative size.

[YXPR]

I could not disagree more with this. Showing off your shiny possessions is 100% an Se lead behavior.

Maybe you perceive it like that because you are Se polr?

From what I've seen it's more associated with strong Fe (Fe dom/Fe dem) or with Te super-ids who take great pride in showing off what they have achieved to possess through their "hard work".

It could also just not be related to sociotypes.

I know an SLE who really loves cars and drives a nice one himself. Still he is very secretive and don't want other people to see his belongings. Most beta Sts I know are like that actually.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think you can find representatives of every type who have never owned a car.

If it is a necessity I might some day but I don't even plan to. It's a money pit. Otherwise if I need those things occasionally then I use public transport or I'll borrow it. That's reasoning of people with high dimension of .

[Muddy]

It could also just not be related to sociotypes.

I can't really imagine an EII driving around in one of these...

[The Reality Denialist]

How about this?
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[YXPR]

I can't really imagine an EII driving around in one of these...

There I was only referring to the part about showing off what you possess.

[Eliza Thomason]

Very good question to discuss actually.

My take on it: Because they need something else in material shape to compensate for insecurity, an emptiness inside, feeling small, powerless, not masculine enough. Masculinity always has to be achieved, it's not inherent (pretty stupid - if you're a man, you're masculine, period). So: Cars are like second dicks to own.

You as an intuitive/ lead don't need these compensations but this opposite behaviour is terribly intriguing as it's flashy and different, so real. And as a gay person, you like anything phallic - so naturally there is an attraction even if you don't notice it's a masculine compensatory display of ownership going on. ...

Disagree. SLEs are very masculine; they don't have to work at it. I see it as an simply an expression of who they are. Masculine. In my observances, it offends some people (I don't mean you!) who seem to feel that expressions of masculinity should not be expressed, but suppressed, like it's a bad thing. Though, people feel that way about expressions of femininity, too).

[Chae]

Disagree. SLEs are very masculine; they don't have to work at it. I see it as an simply an expression of who they are. Masculine. In my observances, it offends some people (I don't mean you!) who seem to feel that expressions of masculinity should not be expressed, but suppressed, like it's a bad thing. Though, people feel that way about expressions of femininity, too).

Sure, sure. But what if that masculinity expression costs 800k bucks, isn't there something wrong with that?

[Chae]

I've seen this trend more so in SEE's than SLE's, tbh.




(Whether you think Justin Bieber is SEE or SLE is up for debate)

Waddup with that hair?

[The Reality Denialist]

Sad case of Werner Syndrome.

**hides**

[Olimpia]

In my experience, most guys who show off their cars are both Se ego (sometimes Se HA) and have a 3 fix.
The LSI and ESI usually have to be Se subtype to engage in it actively. LSI-Ti and ESI-Fi generally do not do this kind of thing.

Cars are stereotypical status symbols; something a (primarily male) Type 3 is usually concerned about, especially if they are Se valuing. And if you may remember, Se HA is about "to be rich", to come across as powerful (often in a monetary sense), and cars help with that – they are expensive and powerful, in the sense you could easily kill someone with one and you can reach high speeds.

The guys who show off their car on Facebook, as in take a selfie with one, are usually Se lead, followed by ESI-Se or LSI-Se, followed by anyone with a 3 fix and at least 2D Se. The last kind of guy rarely takes car selfies, but it happens once in a while, if they are reasonably active on Facebook and want to impress some girls/are single.

I'd argue SX blindspot is the least likely going to upload a car selfie, even if they are 3 fix. The sociotype least likely to upload a car selfie would be EII-Ne, followed by LII-Ne. Women in general are rarely going to upload a car selfie (and why should they, it is not going to "impress" any straight guys mostly); and those that would are probably mostly SLE-Se.

 

I think it is rather obvious those guys are Se ego...








This guy seems to be an LIE-Te who is just leaving his car. (Note: Almost all LIE men I have known were striving to own a "cool" car, but most of them would not take a selfie with it.)



And here is a candid shot of a woman who seems to be SEI and uncomfortable/awkward with the fact someone takes a picture of her with her car, haha. It looks "unnatural". It looks like she is saying "Okay, here is my car, take the picture if you have to, but do it quickly so we can move on."

[Singu]

I think it's mostly just a guy thing... and it doesn't necessarily have to be a car. They could be showing off anything that they think is impressive. I'm sure most are trying to impress the "chicks", but I'm sure they are also perhaps genuinely proud of owning their cars or whatever and want to show it off. It's kinda stupid to assume things like "Well an EII wouldn't do that" etc. imo.

[darya]

Lol now I want to post pictures of both me and my bf, who (seperately) took pictures in douchey poses with an expensive car we rented on vacation. Super embarrassing and juvenile, but we couldn't help ourselves One can dream...

[Eliza Thomason]

Sure, sure. But what if that masculinity expression costs 800k bucks, isn't there something wrong with that?

Most probably! None of the ones that I know have that kind of money, though.

[Chae]

Lyrics from a rap song by an ILI hmu if you wanna know more I'll provide ya

[dot]

Uhm well it might be associated with being Se ego, my SEE stepsister and SLE stepbrother both liked to show off the fancy car of my stepdad as if it were their own. But I know an IEE rich kid who loves to brag with his car all the time, it's all over his snapchat and instagram stories. Like the car is basically his baby and it's a fancy car. I am pretty sure it is a guy thing. Not just a Se ego thing and I don't think the IEE is an E3 either. I could imagine him being so-last actually. I also know quite a few IEEs who love to brag with their possesions or achievements. Everyone likes to be appreciated for their achievements occasionally though.
But I couldn't imagine an EII in the yellow car either, but who knows they might be out there.

Edit: But I do think -some- SLEs have that tendency depending on their social environment as well. I remember an SEE girl friend of mine who drove around with that SLE guy who basially bragged with the fancy car from his grandpa (even on facebook.. it looked really pathetic). Some of the stereotypes do hold some tiny little truth to it. Yet they are still stereotypes.

But wouldn't an sp-last be the least materialistc to be honest? -> because of less focus on material accumulations

[The Reality Denialist]

Car selfies . Proper way of doing it is inside while being stopped in traffic lights having tongue out with someone else.

My LSE brother only buys used cheapest ones (when it is a good deal) and is very adamant that you treat it properly. Whereas I don't see much use for it because I'm very flexible with my time and prefer it that way.

Se valuing. Se devaluing usually just say nay on having eye capturing possessions. I think it depends on your social circle though. I think one can invite any ST in that competition.

I can see why expensive cars can be nice to have as lottery prize because you can sell them.

[Aylen]

Women in general are rarely going to upload a car selfie (and why should they, it is not going to "impress" any straight guys mostly); and those that would are probably mostly SLE-Se.

I don't know about any of that but driving sports cars (most of them red) over the years has gotten me tons of attention from attractive guys of all types. Also the attention of teenage girls (when I was younger) who disliked me just for having those cars. They do get the attention of some men I would rather not take an interest in me, as well.

I grew up around muscle cars and even now have several neighbors who have some extremely sexy cars, unfortunately they are not. The only surviving pics of me and my cars have been candid shots taken by other people. I have taken pics of my own cars without other people around them, when possible. I was raised to appreciate fast cars and motorcycles. My interest was not specifically status though. It was something I can't put into words.

Edit: Yes, straight men are impressed by certain cars.

[Aylen]

[Olimpia]

I don't know about any of that but driving sports cars (most of them red) over the years has gotten me tons of attention from attractive guys of all types. Also the attention of teenage girls (when I was younger) who disliked me just for having those cars. They do get the attention of some men I would rather not take an interest in me, as well.

I grew up around muscle cars and even now have several neighbors who have some extremely sexy cars, unfortunately they are not. The only surviving pics of me and my cars have been candid shots taken by other people. I have taken pics of my own cars without other people around them, when possible. I was raised to appreciate fast cars and motorcycles. My interest was not specifically status though. It was something I can't put into words.

Edit: Yes, straight men are impressed by certain cars.

Okay, fair enough.

I don't think attention and attraction are the same thing. A very overweight woman wearing a mini skirt will probably get more attention than a fit girl in baggy sweat pants, but that doesn't mean people are more attracted to her.

Same principle when it comes to women and cars...
A woman will get more attention with a nice sports car, but unless she is truly hot, men won't be that attracted to her.
Whereas men are actually going to be seen as more attractive if they drive a fancy car over a regular one. Because, well, women are more concerned with a man's ability to financially provide.

[ashlesha]

She didn't say it was attraction?

[Olimpia]

Yeah okay, nvm then.

[Aylen]

Okay, fair enough.

I don't think attention and attraction are the same thing. A very overweight woman wearing a mini skirt will probably get more attention than a fit girl in baggy sweat pants, but that doesn't mean people are more attracted to her.

Same principle when it comes to women and cars...
A woman will get more attention with a nice sports car, but unless she is truly hot, men won't be that attracted to her.
Whereas men are actually going to be seen as more attractive if they drive a fancy car over a regular one. Because, well, women are more concerned with a man's ability to financially provide.

You specifically said "it is not going to "impress" any straight guys mostly". They were totally impressed which has nothing to do with them finding me attractive although some found me very attractive too but it was the car that got their attention first. I have been asked out by guys in equally or nicer cars, even at stoplights. I took one guy up on it, because my friends thought he was the hottest guy they ever saw, so they pushed me into it. Three stoplights later I gave him my number. We had an on/off thing for 2 years.

Lots of guys approached me to look under the hood and yes they really meant under the hood of my car. Even old men wanted to. They would get so excited telling me what I had under there. I had guys beg me to drive my first car. I only let very few drive it and most of them had nicer cars than me or so I thought. Some of them were total bums and could hardly afford the upkeep of their own cars let alone take care of a family. If people use things like cars to determine someone's worth then they get what they deserve since looks are often deceiving. I wonder how many hot guys can barely afford the gas money it takes to run their nice cars.

[Olimpia]

You were taking me too literally then. Maybe that is just the language barrier. I was referring to "impressing" someone in regards to attractiveness.

[Chae]

But wouldn't an sp-last be the least materialistc to be honest? -> because of less focus on material accumulations

Yeah unless it gives social or attraction rapport --> it's rather one's own looks or demeanor then, not a car.

[Aylen]

You were taking me too literally then. Maybe that is just the language barrier. I was referring to "impressing" someone in regards to attractiveness.

You could also say the guys who are into sexy cars might be more impressed by attractive girls who also have sexy cars. Quick google search shows hot women and sexy cars go hand in hand when it comes to advertising. Who are those images targeting? It's not me. There is a special relationship that some men form with their cars which is different than the relationship, I, for example, have with my cars. I have seen them treat their cars better than their girlfriends, especially when their gf has to rely on him for transportation. Sounds like a teen mom episode now that I think of it.

I just have an appreciation for certain cars regardless of who drives them. Like I said, in my own neighborhood there are some beautiful cars. I am not attracted physically to any of the owners. Are you personally more attracted to a man with a nice car, than a guy alone in a selfie, if all you have is an image to look at? I feel most car ads are targeting men whether it is a female or male driver. In most cases I just want to see the car but I am not into looking at people's selfies in general. I try to do it quickly since I find it tedious. Like vacation pics are fine but after awhile the people spoil the natural beauty of the scene. I feel the same about car pics.

[Muddy]

I do think there is a gender difference when its comes to impressing the opposite sex with vehicles, but I think it mainly just involves the type of vehicles used rather then it just always being the guy impressing the girl.

For example, driving around in a big pickup truck is often perceived as masculine and attractive for guys and dyke-ish for women, whereas driving around in something like a sports car is more evenly attractive for both genders.


I don't think the girl here would look as good driving around in this truck compared to the guy:




Whereas this chick would impress people driving in this car as much as any guy would:

[ashlesha]

I'm the opposite of impressed by men with expensive flashy cars because I suspect they're compensating for something.

[Muddy]

I'm the opposite of impressed by men with expensive flashy cars because I suspect they're compensating for something.

I think you might find this funny around 0:55.

[Olimpia]

Yeah it is not like every woman is gonna fall for this.
Does not mean the guys aren't trying...
And often enough, it does work, so that is why they keep doing it.

[Chae]

Yeah it is not like every woman is gonna fall for this.
Does not mean the guys aren't trying...
And often enough, it does work, so that is why they keep doing it.

Important point concerning that: They also do it to impose/compete with other men. No point or need for impressing a female when the homies respect or envy you. That comes first. You know the saying, bros before...

[Chae]

I like it when people are rich but drive POS cars. They are my favorite kind of people.

Not all women find those kind of cars attractive. Like me, for example, but I might be in the minority.

Anyway, this may have in part to do with where I was raised (rural Indiana), but I think a tractor is a way sexier than a fancy car. Actually, looking at that picture of Justin Bieber, the words arrogant douchebag come to mind. It has the opposite impact on me that I think was intended, because it disgusts me. I think people look better without cars in pictures. It's like they are trying to associate themselves with something to portray a certain image, and something about it rubs me the wrong way. It's the reason why I avoid name brands on my clothes. And I hate when people wear suits (strange, I know).

I've known people that wouldn't get in certain cars because it made them 'look bad.' I'm not one of those people. I do like my cars to have personality, though, and they just have to be 'me'.

My husband and his family restore mopars. I've told them on several occasions I hate to be seen in them. They are just way too showy and I don't like people staring at me. And when you're in them, people try to race you. I hate racing. They honk at you. If you want attention, drive a mopar. lol. My vehicle of choice: our 1942 Jeep Willys.

Enneagram 4 realness is speaking up ^^^

[Adam Strange]

I do think there is a gender difference when its comes to impressing the opposite sex with vehicles, but I think it mainly just involves the type of vehicles used rather then it just always being the guy impressing the girl.

For example, driving around in a big pickup truck is often perceived as masculine and attractive for guys and dyke-ish for women, whereas driving around in something like a sports car is more evenly attractive for both genders.


I don't think the girl here would look as good driving around in this truck compared to the guy:

If that guy were a real man, his belt buckle would be rectangular and his hand would be on her ass.

Whereas this chick would impress people driving in this car as much as any guy would:

Only because her daddy is rich.

[Olimpia]

Whereas this chick would impress people driving in this car as much as any guy would:

Impressive indeed...