Nosiest types? Nosiness detector in other types!

[Zero]

Due to my recent observations, what I consider as being nosiness is not considered as such for some other people. Is there a standard behaviour in general which everyone considers nosiess? I think yes but on smaller scale these big picture standards provoke different parts of brains of different people.

For me a lot of things are considered nosiness. Specially someone who directly asks a question which has nothing to do with their lives, for example a way how some types like to be the first one to know the new events in other people's personal lives, and eagerly share it with others also.

But if someone has been observing me from afar and analyzing my behaviour quietly without telling me or others about it, just for the sake of finding me interesting or trying to learn my motivations then that is surprisingly ok with me. It even makes me feel good about myself to be a subject for research of sorts.

So overall I think our signal receptors differ widely. One sends a signal and the other receives it as nosiness and the other doesn't. How is this justified in terms of socionics?

[Exodus]

and are the "nosy" functions, more typically though.

"For me a lot of things are considered nosiness. Specially someone who directly asks a question which has nothing to do with their lives, for example a way how some types like to be the first one to know the new events in other people's personal lives, and eagerly share it with others also."

That does sound like a typical Gamma perspective, though I usually see a negative reaction to it more in Gamma SFs who tend to be more defensive (especially ESIs).

"But if someone has been observing me from afar and analyzing my behaviour quietly without telling me or others about it, just for the sake of finding me interesting or trying to learn my motivations then that is surprisingly ok with me. It even makes me feel good about myself to be a subject for research of sorts. "

This is more like so I'm not surprised that it doesn't bother you as much if you are LIE.

It seems to me that all NF types like to pry into people's lives and minds to some degree, and also ESEs. Fe leading types are somewhat pushier about it because of Fi ignoring so they don't really care if they are overstepping relationship boundaries.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I admit, I've sometimes wanted to be a fly on the wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RSlhNJFohI

[The Reality Denialist]

How the circle works? I think it is strategic gamma thing.

I don't know finding interest in stuff in things. Is that actually nosiness?

[Zero]

How the circle works? I think it is strategic gamma thing.

I don't know finding interest in stuff in things. Is that actually nosiness?

Humm?!

[wasp]

I ask everyone questions about everything all the time. I'll ask if you've ever groped a pair of fake tits on the first date while I scan your face for a reaction. I'll ask if you'd be down for a threesome next weekend that I haven't yet planned but don't worry, it'll happen. if you're interesting enough, I'll even read your post history from beginning to end and back again. I don't care that we're dating. I'll inquire about your past flings and relationships and what's your relationship with your parents like? what kind of porn do you watch? what was your childhood like? show me baby pictures. I'll "oooh" and "aww" at all the right moments. I'll ask who your best friends are and oh, what's your relationship with them like? I'll ask questions that no one else has asked you before because I know it's something you've always wanted to talk about but nobody ever gave you a chance, did they? then I'll wait for you to turn the tables on me so I can respond with a puzzled, "huh, that's a little nosy, don't ya think?" or, "good question!" I think it helps that I usually know the answers to most, if not all, of these questions so I'm mostly just seeking confirmation.

But no, I think I've mentioned before that my curiosity will be the death of me. I love to talk about myself so I'm open about nearly everything that goes on in my life, if I'm not then that's an (extremely rare) red flag on your end, and it's for this reason that people tend to be quite open with me as well. I have a strict policy against sharing personal information that other people have shared with me in private, though. the only time I'll break that policy is if the person in question shares with the public, what they've shared with me, then it's fair game. I'm just curious. that's all there is to it.

I'm not sure how this relates to IEs or types, though? it seems that I'm a curious Alpha chatterbox with strict Gamma loyalty principles.

[Pookie]

I read it as noisiest, and then saw it was nosiest but i already found my picture and so im going to choose to ignore my revelationa30e3c165a4f63645e3a95bf3fa00c75.jpg

[darya]

ESE's are the nosiest, followed by anything 4D Fe.

[Chae]

ESE's are the nosiest, followed by anything 4D Fe.

Subscribed. Also, is high on the list as it's related to curiosity/going after novel things.

[niffer]

ESE

most broken nosiness detector: Ni polrs (ESE and LSE) (well, depends on the person still ofc)

invading and investigating everything with Ne HA on the pretense of "caretaking"/"protecting" =_=

[Bertrand]

ESE

most broken nosiness detector: Ni polrs (ESE and LSE) (well, depends on the person still ofc)

invading and investigating everything with Ne HA on the pretense of "caretaking"/"protecting" =_=

ugh yes, right down to getting offended as if asserting your (totally appropriate, under the circumstances) right to privacy were a crime (mostly in case of ESE)

[Pallas]

If you want to test the nosiness of the types, you could stick one of each in a room with me and see how long it takes me to get irritated with each of them. That would make it empirical rather than people just speculating and arguing.

[mclane]

ILE is probably even nosier than ESE. -Fi PoLR = Unaware of personal boundaries. It's not so much a Ne thing because IEE's are actually very good at modulating their questions and interest on a person without coming off as intruding.

[niffer]

ILE is probably even nosier than ESE.

Not in my experience.

Simply being unaware of emotional boundaries wouldn't make one nosier necessarily.

[mclane]

Not in my experience.

Simply being unaware of emotional boundaries wouldn't make one nosier necessarily.

I have in mind a particular ILE. I'm not very social so my experience is limited. This ILE (Ne subtype) is completely unaware when something he says or asks is particularly intrusive on a person's private life. He offends people on a daily basis. He also talks about his private life and his sexual conquests (he has sacked about 400 people) to anyone he feels the need to.

[Singu]

ILEs are nosy... they have no awareness of personal boundary. And they're always barging into your room and touching your shit.

[niffer]

I have in mind a particular ILE. I'm not very social so my experience is limited. This ILE (Ne subtype) is completely unaware when something he says or asks is particularly intrusive on a person's private life. He offends people on a daily basis. He also talks about his private life and his sexual conquests (he has sacked about 400 people) to anyone he feels the need to.

ILEs are nosy... they have no awareness of personal boundary. And they're always barging into your room and touching your shit.

These both imply lacking a sense of boundaries and general social clunkiness, rather than wanting to find stuff out about people and mine for data about other people's business, the latter of which nosiness is about not the former.

[mclane]

ILEs are nosy... they have no awareness of personal boundary. And they're always barging into your room and touching your shit.

Not only touching them, but taking them as their own out of their own volition.

These both imply lacking a sense of boundaries and general social clunkiness, rather than wanting to find stuff out about people and mine for data about other people's business, the latter of which nosiness is about not the former.

Yeah, they're more clumsy than anything. ESE's are more intentionally nosy I guess.

[Exodus]

It's not so much a Ne thing because IEE's are actually very good at modulating their questions and interest on a person without coming off as intruding.

Wow, we agree on something.

But yeah, it's most common in Fe egos and Fe leading especially I would say.

[Bertrand]

I feel like with ILE you could just tell them straight up they're being nosy and they won't punish you for it, the way an ESE might

[Chae]

I feel like with ILE you could just tell them straight up they're being nosy and they won't punish you for it, the way an ESE might

ESE might try to smooth it over, comes when there's discomfort tho indeed. And yeah ILE would take it and would twist is around verbally (for fun or more intrusiveness, depends)

[Bertrand]

true, ILE likes to turn things into a verbal/logical game of cat and mouse. I'd just tell them to fuck off at that point if they started in, though. I guess ESE might do something similar so in the end perhaps its all a wash. I feel like thinking types do in some sense recognize boundaries better if formulated in terms they understand

[wacey]

ESE.

[niffer]

Somehow I find intuitive nosiness to be cute and benign usually, while sensor nosiness is like ... horrifying to me. They just won't leave, and they don't respond to telepathic signals either. And if they want to DO something about it where they alter the physical environment, closing in on me like a vulture or making me just like another object? The worst, my veins get popping. Don't touch me or give me food. Don't rearrange my furniture. I never asked.

Once in a while I'll meet the odd evil sado-maso LIE though and they'll be super innocuously nosy and psychologically invasive towards me.

[Exodus]

I'm not sure I would describe ILEs as nosy, or at least not the most nosy. They can be inquisitive and curious but they generally don't dig into people's psychology and feelings with the same insistence as Fe leading types (or even Fe creative types arguably). It's easier for them to simply go on to the next topic of interest.

[Bertrand]

not psychology or feelings, but they would be socially intrusive

I had an ILE roomate and I think it was the Fe seeking, but he'd constantly be bugging me and want to do stuff and if I said no it would be 20 questions, etc. sometimes it would be 20 questions just for fun or to force interaction it felt like, etc

the nosiness is more means to end with ILE than an actual end like in ESE

[Bertrand]

Idk, my ESE roommate would shut up and be apologetic whenever I told her she was being too loud. I always did it politely though. My ILE ex started crying once after my sisters boyfriend told him to stop yelling at me. He then cursed him behind his back and hated him forever (he had BPD, though).

true, ESE is not as bad as people with BPD

[niffer]

Idk, my ESE roommate would shut up and be apologetic whenever I told her she was being too loud. I always did it politely though. My ILE ex started crying once after my sisters boyfriend told him to stop yelling at me. He then cursed him behind his back and hated him forever (he had BPD, though).

Nosy, not noisy.

true, ESE is not as bad as people with BPD

Some of them have cut it close IME. That's off topic though.

[huiheiwufhawriuhg]

Any Se or Fe valuing types. Beta > Alpha > Gamma > Delta.

[wasp]

Ne leads are insatiably curious individuals but their methods are rarely, if ever, straightforward. it's more like, "you do x for a living, right?" [where "x" is a low-tier occupation that 90% of the population would find offensive and/or degrading] to which their conversation partner will respond with a long-winded explanation for why they would never do something like that, followed by an equally verbose explanation detailing what they actually do for a living. even if their initial assumption is wrong, your reaction to that assumption reveals so much more than being right ever could. they throw out generalized statements left, right, and center, then up and down and all around, to see what sticks and what doesn't. they disregard what doesn't and fill it in with more assumptions, all the while gauging your reactions to their generalized statements, then subtly adjusting their approach to the changing terrain. they're just as nosy as ESEs. the main difference lies in their intentions, so i imagine their methods can seem similar on the surface, but the amount of information they're able to extract/glean from your responses varies greatly.

here's an example:

IxE: "you work at the sex shop around the corner, yeah? I hear they sell great vibrators."
person: "uh, what? no. I would never work there. blahblahblah. I work at the bank across the street from there."
IxE: "huh, ok." (in a surprised tone)
person: (continues to justify themselves)
IxE: "yeah..." (abruptly changes topic) "oh hey, a squirrel!"
person: (scrambles) (continues to talk about their occupation to prove to the IxE that they actually do work at a bank)
IxE: (silence, coy smile)
person: (hands IxE their business card and several legal documents to verify their occupation)

ESE: "you work at the bank, right?"
person: "yeah, I do."
ESE: "oh, I know someone else who works there. do you know x person?"
person: "I do!"
ESE: "that's awesome. do you work together?"
person: "no, I work in..." (gives a brief explanation)
(and so on and so forth)

ILEs are infamous for their love-bombing techniques upon first meeting someone. IEEs do it, too, but there's a lower likelihood of them losing interest after they finally get what they want. IxEs are less likely to employ direct methods (unless those methods are driven by ulterior motives) and sometimes their choice of method is no method at all, inaction. they're trying to gain a holistic understanding of people, the world, even themselves - whereas it seems like ESEs just want to hear about you, specifically. the former is a little more self-serving in their approach to getting to know you.

TL;DR you're more likely to leave a conversation with an IxE feeling dazed and exposed, maybe even psychologically violated, not an ESE.

[Delilah]

I vaguely remember Ganin describing EIE as interfering/meddling etc, so i guess that's nosy and I suspect he's on to something imo.

I have witnessed ILE as nosy and yes it's a lack of personal boundaries imo but somewhat type related and they make me uncomfortable approaching them telling them "off' (in so many words) since I'm aware they're likely doing it unintentionally / 2 cents

[The Reality Denialist]

In terms of everday matter all SFs and possibly ESTx with their own flavours although even LSI can be into that kind of tracking mode.

I can break boundaries but not out of nosiness in common logistic matters. It is not personal just looking links in the chain of information.

The thing can be like this: I wonder how many times people flush their toilet and how much water it takes to take it away. I wonder what is standard deviation of how much water toilet can take in at once and how much excrement it moves. Graph would be cool.

[Rebelondeck]

Being curious is a fundamental human trait; nosiness is only a description of curiosity that has been perceived by others as having gone too far. The busybody next door would be perceived differently if a crime were thwarted by nosy behaviour. A lot of people, who are disenchanted with their own lives, will try to live vicariously through others; an indication of this is the popularity of reality TV. Everybody has the potential for being perceived as nosy but the excuses for ones nosiness would likely vary among the types.

a.k.a. I/O

[flames]

ESE by far.

[Olimpia]

Depends on how you define "nosy".

When it comes to knowing as much information and details as possible, I'd say Te HA - "to know" - is the winner.

For example, my SEE sister is the nosiest person I've ever known. She reads text messages of our mother, has read in my diary before, etc etc. She just wants to know it all. There are no boundaries to her curiosity.

I think Te is the most curious in terms of factual information. Te leads can be very curious/nosy as well. I've found Te leads collect information and facts like Pokémon, and that can make them nosy.

After Te leads comes Te Demonstrative (+Ne). So basically, ILE. My ILE brother is also very curious about... stuff, haha, including my own privacy, too.

Ne is curious when it comes to ideas, so EII and LII can also be quite curious or even nosy, but they usually respect other people's boundaries too much or won't push anyone so practically they are not too nosy.

Fe is curious about other people, and again, it depends on how you define nosiness. My ESE mother is very interested in what the kids of her friends are doing and so forth, basically how people's lives are going, but differently from other people I've known she does not pry... as much.

All in all, I'd say the nosiest people are Exxx.
To be more specific: ExFx > ExTx

[Adam Strange]

Depends on how you define "nosy".

When it comes to knowing as much information and details as possible, I'd say Te HA - "to know" - is the winner.

For example, my SEE sister is the nosiest person I've ever known. She reads text messages of our mother, has read in my diary before, etc etc. She just wants to know it all. There are no boundaries to her curiosity.

I think Te is the most curious in terms of factual information. Te leads can be very curious/nosy as well. I've found Te leads collect information and facts like Pokémon, and that can make them nosy.

After Te leads comes Te Demonstrative (+Ne). So basically, ILE. My ILE brother is also very curious about... stuff, haha, including my own privacy, too.

Ne is curious when it comes to ideas, so EII and LII can also be quite curious or even nosy, but they usually respect other people's boundaries too much or won't push anyone so practically they are not too nosy.

Fe is curious about other people, and again, it depends on how you define nosiness. My ESE mother is very interested in what the kids of her friends are doing and so forth, basically how people's lives are going, but differently from other people I've known she does not pry... as much.

All in all, I'd say the nosiest people are Exxx.
To be more specific: ExFx > ExTx

I work with an IEE bookkeeper, and I'm astounded at how she wants to know every detail of every financial transaction. At first, I was surprised that an IEE would be in a financial field, because I picture them running day care centers or being archeologists, but I guess this explains it.

In contrast, the ILI just lumps things together and glosses over stuff on his way to a goal (my own style) and doesn't care about details or much about what's happening outside of how the numbers look at a glance. He especially doesn't care about the morality of what's happening. The EII is more diligent about finding out about details (mostly to make sure that everything is auditable), but not like the IEE.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think nowadays it can can be measured based on Facebook/other social media usage agegroup <55 yrs.
I've been asked to make fake account to check out what is going over there. ["Cat fights" in cat owner's groups etc.] No way! I keep my all fake accounts under my own control.

I'm a very quiet person in social media. My disinterest is kind of worrying. Still I want to gather data to figure out certain kind of depencies and form theories.