*moves Under the Red Hood and A Lonely Place of Dying up on my list of comics to buy*
Hmm, you convinced me on a lot of those. Think I'll revise:
Batman: Same as before
Dick Grayson: Same as before
Jason Todd: SEE Sp/Sx
Tim Drake: So-dom rather than necessarily So/Sp
Damien: LSI
Cassandra: No idea what I was thinking with a Se-PoLR type for her, ESI as my low-information guess
And some comments:
Originally Posted by
yifflord
Batman as I see him is very similar to how you see him - a man stuck in a single moment in time. Obsessive, brooding, cold, incredibly lonely but riddled with a paranoia that’s so deafening that it doesn’t allow him to trust anyone enough to let them in… except, of course, the children in his care who owe their life to him. Who need him. Batman needs to be needed.
Yeah, exactly.
EIE/ILI supervision also lends itself to the strife of the Bruce-and-Dick dynamic. Dick has a keen understanding of Bruce but he’s always trying to charge him up with his Fe, always desperate for an energy in Bruce that Bruce can’t give him. It’s the cause of so much of their friction.
*nods*
Straight up: do not trust Morrison’s Jason. IIRC Morrison admitted himself he wasn’t a fan of Jason, and wanted to make him less popular when he wrote him - adding the ginger hair that was actually a part of pre-crisis continuity, not post-crisis, giving him the acne, and the horrible suit redesign Jason has no reason to change to.
aw I enjoyed it
I don’t know about Lobdell’s N52!Jason because I read a few issues and decided I wasn’t a fan, but Lobdell’s Rebirth!Jason personally reads more as SEE more than SLE to me. I think he’s very incisive about the inner workings of the people around him. He can read people, he knows what they’re feeling, he can gauge changing psychological distance well. Not Fi-polr. Either way I can def get behind sp/sx for Rebirth.
Good point, good point. Most of my SLE thoughts came from Morrison but I think Rebirth!Jason's the better way to go here. I agree with your observations about Fi and I especially like your comment about him being Batman's dual. Their natural camrederie I think let Batman's guard down significantly in the past and makes their current relationship all the more painful. Switching to SEE.
I also agree that I see a strong love of, nay, obsession with symbols with Jason, which is part of the reason why I do NOT type him as EIE. He seems fascinated by Ni in a Super-Id way rather than a "business as usual" way you'd see with a Ni ego. Jason's Ni is very heavy on the flourish, which doesn't stop it from being insightful but does make it a lot more ostentatious.
(Tim) defines himself by his utility to others, what others' needs are, what he can do for others, what he can do for the mission. Tim is the rock of the family, the one who never makes any trouble because he doesn't want to trouble others, the moral support, the shoulder to cry on. Beyond being Robin, nothing is about his own wants or needs— they almost don’t exist.
Incidentially, all of this factors into why I type him as 6w5. I know you aren't familiar with Enneagram, but 6 is a member of the compliant triad (126) which is pretty much solid Tim:
People whose dominant Social Style is the compliant style are responsible, dedicated and want to do what's expected of them. They will do what they believe is best, even if it means sacrificing their own wants. They are committed to their promises, working hard to finish what they said they would do. They have a hard time relaxing or playing, because there is always work to do (and they would feel guilty resting when there is work to do). They have a sense of being a little superior to others, although this characteristic is very subtle. Under stress, they seek advice from their conscience to determine the right thing to do.
These people work great in groups where the rules or procedures are agreed upon. Within that structure, they work tirelessly.
These people are out of touch with their inner guidance. The inner guidance is a mental quality which effortlessly observes and understands what to believe and what to do. To compensate for this imbalance, these people seek belief systems or rules to help them deal with ambiguity and uncertainty. They consult their rules and beliefs to define their position on issues.
These people try to obey internalized rules and principles to get what they want.
I might've typed him as So/Sp from some of what I perceived as a reticent nature rather than true Sp. In any case he's very much a So-dom and I wouldn't type him as Sx/So at all.
We are dealing with a boy whose main concern when he got fired was 'will I still get to hang out with everyone?'
This is So-dom as hell, for instance (although I don't think I see/want to see yet what you're referring to).
By the way, I'm really hyped for when I feel like I've read enough to embark upon Red Robin. I bought some issues on Comixology around a year ago because I was curious about Tim, but I got a few pages in and realized I really wanted to see his earlier career first. I've still got a lot to work through, though!
Also, of course, Damian and Dick get along very well, and Dick's unique approach works very well for Damian. Maybe Damian could be LSI?
Now this I like. He feels too... judgy for SLE but the idea of him and Grayson as Beta duals makes way too much sense. He responds a lot better to Dick Grayson's Fe than Bruce Wayne's Fi as well.
Tim, who is Se-polr and says ‘sorry’ to thugs when he hits them
Ha, I love how Dixon writes Tim's fight scenes. Tim's fighting style reflects his personality even down to the weapon. He's patient and focuses on controlling the arena and the space (hence the staff) rather than on directly dishing out damage. Why jump with your own force when you can vault yourself from higher ground? It's all very tactical.
Batman and family!
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