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    Nines are the most patient and tolerant types in the enneagram. They have an innate belief that other people are similar to them underneath in a way they can't explain that makes them anything but megalomanic. They are truly accepting of peoples' faults and are biased to give others the benefit of the doubt. They are good listeners and one can talk to them about almost anything. They are able to see where others are coming from and can genuinely sympathize with what it feels like to not be listened to. They can make people feel good about even the deepest gloom.

    They are easygoing and low-maintainence. They enjoy relaxing and letting their minds wander. They like immersing themselves in their hobbies and are often drawn to the outdoors. They don't impose their preferences and aren't sticklers over little things. They don't need for things to be spelled out. They are good-natured and unflappable. They have the ability to stay hopeful as well as level-headed and calm during a real crisis. Whether they are anxious, fustrated, angry, excited, or enthused, they show less than most people and appear stable no matter what.

    They see being united and coming together in a positive light. They believe in "flow", whether it's going with the flow, idealizing a reality or philosophy that has flow, synchronizing themselves with the ebbs and flows of life, or being attracted to what naturally flows. They have a knack for waiting for the right time when things to come to them instead of them forcing the action. They have just enough of a positive outlook to favor letting things work out on their own but are anything but full of themselves. They have a good balance between being competitive and someone to simply hang with. All in all nines tend to be likeable.

    As gut types nines are very "present" in their bodies in a naturally grounded and inert way.From being in the center of the gut triad they are saturated with enough earthy energy to make staying in their comfort zone their main priority, to the point where they block out the harshness and complications of life, and whatever doesn't "jive" with them in general. They want as much as possible for things to go smoothly and resist what bothers them. Their autonomy is important to them and a lot of things that make life more complicated aren't worth the trouble. With their instinctive energy trapped inside them they tend to stick with what's familiar, sometimes to the point of inertia and complacency. They go with the flow and are reluctant to assert their preferences outside of their comfort zone. They like feeling invited and feeding off others' energy but not to the point of no longer being able to slip in and out seamlessly. They lack strong personal boundaries in that they rarely tell people to go away so they don't want to risk a level of involvement that could lead to unwanted obligations. When they don't take the initiative to make themselves heard it often leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy of others ignoring them. They hold back their fustrations although they may not realize how much they do this.

    On a much deeper level the underlying current of "anger" in gut types is traced to the eternal fustration of not being able to see themselves well due to being overly present in their bodies, similar to the fustration of groping in the dark. Inner needs like cultivating an identity have trouble being met with an unconscious sense of self, which in conjunction with being "held back" by their inertness makes it hard to get out from inside of them what they really mean and how they really feel. This constant low-idle "groping in the dark" rhythmic body-consciousness from which fustration and anger springs is the primary backdrop of the "overly present in their body" gut triad, similar to anxiety and shame for the head and image triads respectively. Although nines may deny their annoyance and irritation as forms of anger, they loathe being pushed or bothered, and especially anything that even faintly smells of obligation. Like eights and ones a nine's underlying fustration is there but instead gets redirected into less visceral forms like stubbornness and digging in their heels. If they are dragged into doing something they grit their teeth and make the best of it. Nines have an easier time accessing sadness, fear, hurt, confusion, numbness, than anger itself though ironically they get mad at themselves for saying yes when they didn't mean to.

    Nines being very present in their bodies comes at the expense of having a conscious sense of "self" or awareness of having a persona. This makes them seem the least "put on" and adds to their likeability. On the flip side this makes them prone to self-neglect and introjecting aspects of others without them realizing it. That's why nines have difficulty vocalizing what they want or how they are feeling. When they say yes to the possibility of something in general others misinterpret that as committing to a real yes. They also have difficulty saying no with enough conviction for others to get the message that it's non-negotiable, especially when they feel pushed to defend and justify the no to someone who refuses to take no for an answer. This is a source of frustration for them and only adds to why they think communicating their wants and needs isn't worth the trouble. In an external sense nines tend to believe "everything will turn out fine"..."no need to get panicky"..."there are ways to work around that and we'll find them", while on an internal level nines have lowered expectations and are less positive thinking. They tend to see a bland neutral world with many shades of grey and prefer to be positive as they find negativity draining. That is why nines are more positive outlook than pure optimists like sevens.

    Nines see the waves of conflict between them and others larger and more treacherous than they really are. They can be unnerved by focused negative energy and to a lesser extent relentlessness. What others see as a spirited discussion they see as a needlessly argumentative atmosphere. They don't like it when people feel compelled to fight over stuff in raised voices rather than try to discuss and merely understand each other. They feel people interrupt them and never give them an opportunity to say something important. They settle for an illusion that if they don't invite conflict or rock the boat everything will be okay. They bury their anger and frustration and are happy that their boat is still floating even if it's just drifting out of inertia. Steering the boat through problems would require a sense of direction so they are content to let it drift along. By ignoring problems they make them worse which causes them to ignore them even more and a negative feedback loop ensues. When there's too much swept under the rug to "numb out" any longer they finally erupt. This takes others aback and reinforces to them that anger is bad. On a more subconscious level they try to neutralize their anger by seeing the good in people.

    Much of a nine's issues surface in relationships where it's about two people getting what they want from each other. It's not uncommon for nines to seem apathetic and invest less of themselves in something to protect themselves emotionally in case things go bad. To others they can seem emotionally disconnected or "numbed out". In relationships they are often able to shrug off disappointments easier because they had already left internally to some degree. It's not a matter of them not being accepting enough for if anything they hold out too much hope. They feel that people ignore them as well as don't pay attention or listen to them. Once they've determined things are passed the point of no return, they try to get the other person to leave by being unavailable and unappealing so that they have a guilt-free conscience. They don't think they make waves or invoke strong feelings in others. This way they confirm to themselves that they are invisible enough to slip in and out of situations without making enough waves to be responsible for whatever happens. In prematurely resigning themselves to being less visible they underestimate the effect they have on others and are surprised at how blindsided close ones can be.

    Because nines are less "present" on the inside their cognition has less "form" or "definition" and therefore less of the restrictions that accompany them. This enables nines to gloss over negative scenarios just enough to think they can live a simple and easy life without disruptions, provided they don't invite conflict that could lead to estrangement from others(9w1), or make life more difficult for themselves(9w8). They especially fear being separated from loved ones(9w1), or losing loved ones permanently(9w8). Emphasizing they are distinctly separate individuals goes against their ego in not having self-importance(9w1), or in their self-importance not mattering(9w8).

    With their ability to subtly gloss over what's uncomfortable to think about nines are able to drown out what disturbs their peace of mind(9w1), or their rhythm(9w8). While the seven's jumping-the-gun cognition makes them clearly see positive scenarios before the future can disprove them, the nine's more elastic cognition makes them block out what they consider disruptive. Due to having less "form" or "definition" their cognition is often more in symbols and images and other things of a less conscious nature than concrete words. They can be complacent and selectively not remember things. Any one thing can possibly lead to anything, for unlike fives there are no dead ends or other cognitive restrictions to their thinking process. They tend to explain things in stories where one thought naturally flows to another. This type of internal wiring though can make it harder to discriminate between what is essential and what isn't, and makes it more difficult to find their calling in life and set priorities. Although their ability to see many shades of grey gives them a talent for mediating others' disputes, it makes it harder to isolate what they really want in life.

    In an everchanging world they are reluctant to commit on the spot as they feel a need to have something "jive" with them to tell if they really want it or not. They fear being swept up in the wrong thing and the obligations that come with it..."do I really want this or not?" Enough stress makes them hunker down and avoid everything as well as numb out. "Why bother?"..."which way to go?..."it doesn't really matter does it?"..."I don't know so I'll stay here and hope it goes away." Therefore their top priority remains to be as comfortable as possible with what's familiar, internally as well as externally. To achieve this their more amorphous cognition makes them block out what is outside of their comfort zone, particularly the harshness and complications of life.

    In enneagram theory nines are instinctive(gut) center primary at the expense of their thinking and identity centers. This leads them to become more "checked out" and numb to their feelings in response to conflict or another stessor, as well as overfocus on living comfortably at the expense of critical thinking beyond their comfort zone and a developed identity. However a sense of self even if it's false helps one "get out there" and have one's self-perception and version of reality regularly tested. On a deeper level nines take pride in their invisibility as otherwise it would be too much of a blow for their invisibility to be "confirmed" by others on top of not being able to see themselves. Twisting their perceived invisibility into a strength also enables them to use it as an excuse to do whatever they have to do to stay in their comfort zone. On a deeper level they want to be stay in their comfort zone and avoid taking responsibility for their true needs and desires. A person needs to be a part of themselves before they are a part of anything though. Hence nines need to see themselves as distinctly seperate to connect with greater humanity.

    Nines attempt to reach a state of premature comfort and/or enlightenment. Seeing friction and a lack of fluidity in eights and ones next to them may awaken some nines to the possibility that an easy life without disruptions may lead to missing out on essential parts of the human experience like being involved. Other nines may immerse themselves in activities to feel more alive to counteract inertia. Yet other nines may be surprisingly intellectual and even indulge in introspection, though the latter is usually on their terms. Similar to sixes there can be a wide range of nines. While it's not uncommon for nines to seem like fours, fives, sixes, and sevens even, what all nines have in common is presuming that things will be okay if they stay in their comfort zone by minimizing conflict and tension as well as blocking out the harshness and complications of life, numbing out what's unpleasant, an attraction to "flow" or willingness to go with the flow, and an underdeveloped sense of identity so that they often feel "invisible".

    To get healthier nines need to wean themselves off autopilot mode or away from any delusion that they can ascend to a nirvana-like state without going through the arduous process of figuring out who they are and what they really want in life. They need to accept the reality that emotional pain cannot be numbed or escaped and instead comes with simply being present. They then need to learn to put themselves out there and allow for the discomfort that comes from being more emotionally honest and engaged with others. They need to stand by their own convictions and accept the risk that they will find conflict and come up against others' opinions. To live a more honest life they have to lay it out there and accept that whatever happens happens. If others reject their right to see things the way they do they are rejecting their truth which is unacceptable. Thus conflict can finally lead to closure. Once they see that anger is conviction in their truth they can see it as a constructive force that they could and should experience in realtime. When healthy nines are able to stay focused and rational during anger and let it run its natural course. They can then utulize their strength at seeing the merits of others' views without losing themselves in the process. With new self-assertion victories their sense of identity is developed enough to enable them to escape inertia instead of pain. They can become more "alive" and begin the positive feedback loop of engaging life more fully, releasing the logjam of instinctive energy that's trapped inside them.

    The instinctive triad seems to "just know" compared to the relatively ungrounded cognition of other types so being in the center nines present an interesting paradox. They are more in touch with less conscious processes and the collective unconscious, yet have a tendency to be disengaged and subtly gloss over things that go against their preferred way of seeing reality. They have a knack for going with the flow and waiting for things to develop instead of forcing the action, but are also more prone to seeing what they want to see and living in their own bubble. Being in the center of the instinctive triad they are saturated with enough of the less conscious gut energy(not to be confused with not being intellectual) that it can be difficult to overcome their inertia and "get up and go". It's similar to sixes who "what if" so much they fake themselves out and threes who try too hard to hit the right notes with people.


    9w8 is about calmness(nine) from a position of strength(eight). They choose to be calm as opposed to feeling they have to maintain being calm to avoid conflict or estrangement like a 9w1. They don't invite conflict but don't shy away from it either as they nip conflict in the bud as quickly as possible. They are the most "chill" of the instinctive triaders. They have the best balance in their personal boundaries as they are halfway in between being a doormat and dominating others. This is why they are generally the most likeable of all subtypes.

    9w8 is called the "comfort-seeker" and wants to make life easier for themselves. They are firmly grounded in their bodies with an emphasis on being physically comfortable. Hardly anything bothers them. They aren't nearly as hard on themselves as 9w1s. They are easygoing but can be direct with others if forced out of their comfort zone as they are much more assertive than their 9w1 siblings. While they have a bias towards letting things work out on their own they have no problem stepping in and settling things.

    9w8s have an ego in being grounded in reality. They pride themselves in being simple regular people. They take pleasure in noticing when there isn't any point to discussing something, often to the extent of exhibiting a "who cares" apathy. Asserting their self-importance certainly falls in that category. While they are realistic about themselves they have a tendency to be underestimated by others. Like eights they play down and trivialize what's not worth dwelling on as "no big deal". Not getting what they want is also declared "no big deal" and therefore not that important. They tend to be attracted to the outdoors and other physical activities. They mainly fear permanently losing loved ones.

    9w8s are more genial and practical. They are significantly less withdrawn than 9w1s. Although they are less intuitive than 9w1s, they have a natural sense of rhythm for the ebb and flow of things around them. They have an ability to make anyone like them even when they are being irreverent and mischevious. They have an "it's all good" attitude as nothing appears to bother them. In response to a prank they might go "nice one" whereas a 9w1 would initially seem dazed and taken aback before saying it's alright. 9w8s have an overt(eight) haze(nine) in comparison to the more repressed(one) haze(nine) of 9w1s. Like all 9s they have trouble expressing anger directly and become less focused when they do. Their 8 wing though makes them more able to blow off steam by expressing anger physically at least, like throwing stuff in fustration.


    9w1 is about keeping their inner peace(nine) intact(one). They avoid conflict externally and the reality of that conflict internally. They see conflict as an endless web of which any path could lead to estrangement so they hold their anger inside. They suppress their rough edges and conceal disagreeableness to seem accomodating. They have trouble saying no gracefully: "what do you mean?"..."answer to what?"..."I'm flattered you asked but I'll have to think about that as I have something else I gotta do"..."me participating would likely make no difference so you'd be better off asking someone else". They may also feel emotionally unsafe wanting something that's counter to the wants of the people around them. They'll either be wishy-washy and try to change the subject or find a way to go along while feeling they were sucked in. Basically they trade their comfort for others' comfort and hope and assume that by ignoring conflict they will maintain their emotional tranquility. To a 9w1 hope and assume are often close enough to be interchangeable. If they are in a safe and comfortable enviornment they can better explore disagreement.

    9w1s are sensitive and self-effacing as well as gentle and loving. While they have issues with expressing anger they can also feel crippled with anxiety. They suppress or ignore their wants due to fear. They "cocoon" under stress and their "positive outlook" is a defense against a deep-seated belief of an inability to have an influence or impact. The delayed anger responses from 9w1s result from an excessive buildup of intense long-term anxiety that never got dealt with. They are much harder on themselves than 9w8s. They are very sensitive to criticism because they take it as a judgement on them as people. This is why praise can have such a positive effect on them. The key is to try to relieve their anxiety directly and then anger issues will resolve themselves.

    9w1s have an "ego in having no ego", as opposed to the 9w8 ego in being able to be apathetic to what's pointless. They can be unusually intuitive and cerebral as well as creative and fantastical. They have a knack for synthesizing various theories and viewpoints. Sometimes they can seem like 4s and 5s except they idealize "flow" and don't take things to the same extremes. It's tough to narrow down the possibilities and discriminate the way they see everything as interconnected. They feel ambivalent and out of touch with what their instincts tell them. They repress and ignore negative urges in themselves but get fustrated with those who disturb the peace. In response to being disturbed themselves they might initially be taken aback or dazed and then say everything is okay.

    9w1s are high-minded types who idealize peace, harmony, healing, and union with others. They mainly fear being seperated from loved ones and on some level they feel like they don't matter as a distinctly seperate person. "United we stand divided we fall" resonates with them because on a deeper level seperation is equivalent to annihilation. They dream about formlessness as the perfect reality, where one is freed from struggles of the ego and anything else that detracts from fluidity. They feel drawn to being connected with the vastness and beauty of nature and are attracted to things like large bodies of water and celestial entities in the sky. The Way of the Tao is very 9w1, as are other eastern philosophies that aspire to a formless and egoless nirvana. "The answer will come to you in time my son" wiseman archetype is also very 9w1. In such a reality unnecessary details, pain, and anxiety are either drowned out or work themselves out on their own.

    Source: http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-fo...ive-triad.html
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    Nines search for harmony and comfort and avoid tension and conflict. Symbolized by yin and yang, Nines try to reconcile oppositional ideas, forces, and perspectives as a way to have all perspectives considered.Relaxed, easy to relate to, and accepting, Nines perceive and honor multiple viewpoints and are usually excellent facilitators, drawing out the ideas of others so everyone gets heard. While they value harmony, seek comfortable ways of relating, and are often adept mediators of conflict between and among others, most Nines are extremely uncomfortable with conflict when it’s directed toward them and even more uncomfortable when they feel angry with someone else. As a result, Nines keep themselves from doing anything that might generate conflict or create disharmony; they keep themselves from being aware that they are upset; don’t express opinions or preferences that could cause discord or disagreements; and diffuse their attention by engaging in activities that comfort them, rather than focus them on their own desires or priorities. As examples, Nines may do some of the following: watch television for hours, flipping television channels on a regular basis; cut the grass or work in the garden when they have projects at work or home they should be doing; go shopping or walk the dog for extended periods of time as a way of avoiding what they should be doing; or even do the dishes in an overly thorough way rather than have a difficult conversation with someone or do work they don’t feel like doing.
    While Nines appear easygoing on the outside, many experience some degree of internal tension, and they are not always as non-judgmental as they appear. In addition, some Nines tend to satisfy their desire for comfort through the satisfaction of their physical needs – for example, eating, sleeping, and/or reading; some Nines submerge themselves in service of group needs by working extraordinary hours, which allows them to forget about their own desires; and other Nines find such comfort in fusing or blending almost completely with other people who are important to them that they lose a sense of themselves in the process.
    The Nine’s interpersonal style is agreeable, relatively unassertive, and non-invasive, and they are often able to talk with others about a variety of topics in an easy-going manner. For example, Nines often nod their heads in affirmation or say “Uh, huh,” which doesn’t mean they agree with the other person, just that they heard what was said. Affable and humorous, they express themselves indirectly rather than boldly or directly as a way to create and maintain positive relationships and reduce potential discord between themselves and others.
    While we can all prefer rapport and ease to discord, for Nines, the search for harmony and comfort and the avoidance of conflict is their primary, persistent, and driving motivation.
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    Short but really good descriptions...

    Nine-wing-One


    The Peacemaker
    With their pleasant, easy-going exteriors, Nine-wing-Ones are frequently underestimated. Some conventional Enneagram writers describe them as lazy and indifferent; however, many are quite industrious and effective. At its highest intensity, this personality melds penetrating insight into what makes people and societies tick with soaring visions as to what they may become.


    Probable examples of personality type Nine-wing-One are Barack Obama, Abraham Lincoln, Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell, Queen Elizabeth II, and Pope John Paul II. Other reported examples are Ralph Waldo Emerson, Walt Disney, Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, Garrison Keillor, Princess Grace of Monaco, Rose Kennedy, George Lucas, and the Dalai Lama.

    Nine-wing-Eight

    The Mediator
    Mediators have strong egos, but they also have the knack of winning the cooperation of others. Their good-natured, agreeable manner inspires trust. They are natural leaders who have the ability to smooth over differences and organize groups toward a common goal.


    Probable examples of personality type Nine-wing-Eight are Dwight D. Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Other reported examples are Gerald Ford, Kevin Costner, Gary Cooper, Woody Harrelson, Keanu Reeves, Ingrid Bergman, Geena Davis, Sophia Loren, Ringo Starr, Whoopi Goldberg, Janet Jackson, Bing Crosby, Walter Cronkite, Hugh Downs, and Lady Bird Johnson.



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    On thinking and talking style of Type 9.


    Nines – Confusion Techniques
    Flu Flu Logic & Virtual Life Obsessions

    - by Tom Condon

    Archers are familiar with what are called “flu flu arrows,” a specially made arrow used to kill birds at short range. Flu flu arrows are aerodynamically designed to fly at full speed for about 50 feet. Then they stop dead in mid-air and drop to the ground.

    In the trance of their Enneagram style, Nines practice “flu flu logic,” a kind of confused thinking that seems to go forward and then dead-ends. This is evident when Nines speak in rambling, saga-like stories filled with off-the-mark details that ramify like ivy. A Nine could begin relating a recent event, get part way into the story, veer off into an irrelevant sideline, double back to explain something they left out, then continue telling the story in long rolling sentences peppered with stray bits of coherence. The whole narrative is a segue, like a drug with only side-effects, a town with only side streets. As you listen to the Nine, you could become perplexed and frustrated and then tired and indifferent. At that point, you feel the way the Nine feels.

    In hypnosis, speaking this way is called confusion technique and it is often used to help a client with an alert, controlling conscious mind lose focus, grow tired and drop into a trance. To off-balance such a client, a hypnotherapist might tell an excessively complicated story, full of misleading clues, subtle puns and hard-to-follow plot points. Once the client grows mentally tired, it is easy for him to enter a trance-like state. In this same way, Nines use confusion technique to self-hypnotize, inducing in themselves a sleepy inability to think clearly that distracts them from their own priorities.

    NLP calls this speaking without a “referential index,” which means talking about something without reference or context. If someone says to you, “Jason went to the wrestling match the other night,” and you don’t know anyone named Jason, you will likely be confused and preoccupied as you search for the missing information in the remark.

    Confusion technique supports the way Nines can have “Virtual Life Obsessions,” (VLOs). VLOs are dissociated obsessions that Nines create about the direction of their lives that replace living their lives. These come about when a Nine is hiding, doubtful that the world has anything more to offer than it did in the past, but the people in the Nine’s environment expect her to have ambitions. Partially to placate others, the Nine obsesses about the goals she should have, the decisions she should make, the ambitions she ought to have. On a deeper level, meanwhile, she remains numb and non-committal.

    Some Nines express their VLOs externally, for example by living in a chaotic, cluttered environment. While many Nines are neat and orderly, some have packrat tendencies. One Nine had a house overflowing with books that he was reluctant to get rid of because he “might read them someday.” Another lived in a large house that she filled with debris – unopened mail, collections of her children’s toys and books, even garbage that had been accumulating for years. This is living metaphor, a Nine’s physical expression of her jumbled inner state.


    Reply from discussion: "In this same way, Nines use confusion technique to self-hypnotize, inducing in themselves a sleepy inability to think clearly that distracts them from their own priorities." Themselves and others. My older brother is a 9 and he uses this technique so much to get away with things. I used to watch him in amazement as a kid, as he would surround himself in a cloud of words and get away with things that other people, who were more linear and straightforward in conversation, would never have. If somebody noticed what happened and how he wrapped them around his finger, he likewise could quickly diffuse the impending conflict. This gives 9 a tactical advantage over others in situations of conflict of interests, not only a self-confusion puddle. Great description all in all. Very spot on!"



    Coaching Nines – Stretched Perception of Time
    - by Tom Condon

    Nines have what NLP calls a “long timeline,” meaning that their internal subjective sense of time stretches far out into the distance. A 55-year-old with a short timeline might think, “It seems like just yesterday I was 25 and now 75 is rushing towards me.” By contrast, a 55-year-old Nine could feel the future unfurling before him in a slow, languid way. If you ask a Nine the question, “To what age do you expect to live?” the answer is usually between 80 and 110 years old.

    Anticipating a long life can sap a Nine’s motivation to change. If the decades stretch out before him, a Nine might be in no rush to face a current problem or take corrective action. This lack of urgency makes procrastination an attractive path of least resistance. As one Nine said, “I feel like I have all the time in the world and yet no future.”

    Like Sevens, Nines have personality defenses that make them feel better, so they may have a flimsy hold on consequence. As with Sevens, it can be especially helpful to connect Nines to the long-term result of maintaining their defenses. Encouraging a Nine to flash-forward to the end of her life and imagine how she will feel if her present life goes unlived may be an especially useful exercise.

    You may have to “out Nine” some clients, giving yourself permission to lose interest if an unmotivated Nine client drones on about a problem that she never seems to solve. When I had a private practice, I would occasionally hit a late afternoon point of tiredness. I once had a Nine client whose motivation was faltering, who offered me a long rambling saga replete with confusion technique. Noticing both my own tiredness and lack of interest in what he was saying, I let myself doze off. A few moments later an annoyed – and motivated – client woke me up and demanded we get to work.

    Connecting a Nine’s behavior to its impact on others can also help. A Nine client, whose girlfriend paid for his appointment, described a ruinous financial history filled with bankruptcies, chronic debt and fiscal irresponsibility. He said his money issues had ended his first marriage and upset everyone in his life, especially his wealthy fiscally conservative parents. He told this story with a faintly satisfied tone which increased as he described the reactions of his exacting authoritarian father, his histrionic mother and his vengeful ex-wife. As he talked, he implicitly dared me to try and change him, but I affected a light disinterested manner.

    After he finished his tale of cascading disasters, I summarized, “So: Although your finances are still a mess, you’re basically fine with this pattern and state of affairs.” The man nodded. “All that really leaves is the example you are setting for your teenage son, the way you are modeling a lifetime of money troubles for him.” The man gulped and suddenly looked uncomfortable. Stammering, he said, “I..I.. hadn’t thought of that.” Although he was unwilling to change on his own behalf, he became more motivated to work on himself out of love for his son.
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    The Instinctual Stackings of Enneatype Nine

    Enneatype Nines are out of touch with the instinctual center. Because Nines are of touch with their instinctual energy they have a very conflicted relationship to the expression of the various instincts.


    Self-pres/Social

    This subtype is the most self-effacing of type Nine, possibly the least assertive of all the enneagram types. They can feel as though they have been looked over and passed by. While they do desire attention and recognition, with the sexual instinct last in the stacking, they seldom actively pursue it. They feel as though it’s just not worth it. This subtype is usually very deliberate and methodical in their speech. They sometimes get frustrated because they don’t feel that they can say what they really want to say. They are therefore often very short and concise with their communication, not wanting to provoke any confrontation. But when given a chance and the time to express themselves, they can be quite talkative. While self-pres needs are important to this type, the fact that they are essentially Nines, sometimes causes them to put the needs of others before their own. When under stress, this type is likely to do busy work, anything that distracts them from their problems.
    In relationships, the self-pres instinct combines with the merging qualities of the Nine to make a person committed and connected strongly in areas of security, home and other practical matters. They merge their environment with their loved ones. On the down side, this subtype can be passive-aggressive and withdraw under stress, holding back affection. They could possibly go long periods of time without talking to their spouse directly.

    Self-pres/Sexual

    This subtype is self-effacing also, but is generally more assertive. They may be the subtype of Nine which is most aware of the boundaries between themselves and others and at the same time, possibly the most frustrated when those boundaries are violated. They can be aware of being walked over and they might even be aware of the anger it causes, but they become frustrated with their seeming inability to control this pattern. This is true, to some degree, of all Nines, but with the self-pres/sexual instinctual stacking, there seems to be a complex and interesting balance between the withdrawing energy caused by the dominant self-pres instinct and the assertive energy of the sexual instinct. This combination seems to raise consciousness of this dynamic.
    Getting healthy for this subtype, and for all Nines, involves becoming aware of this dynamic and realizing they do have the power to control their boundaries. Part of this must come from the realization on the part of the Nine that they have invited this overstepping of their boundaries from others by not defining them. Close relationships will usually work or not for this subtype depending on how well they deal with this issue.


    Social/Self-pres

    Social Nines feel the need for validation and for “fitting in” but they feel these indirectly. They move towards others in a way which can resemble Twos, but they are motivated by a desire to initiate and maintain contact without provoking conflict. On the high side, the social/self-pres Nine generally knows a lot of people and gets along with most everyone. They are helpful people who generally have a great sense of humor. They get involved with the social environment. They might be the soccer coach, or if politically inclined, they might join and participate in a political party. When in leadership roles, they lead by consensus and charm. Their skill is in conflict management. With the sexual instinct last, they tend to avoid intensity, but they are actively involved with people.
    Intimate relationships might be frustrating for the partner of this subtype of Nine because the Nine’s social engagements might make the partner feel as though the Nine is connected with everyone except them. Sometimes this subtype can use their social connections in a passive-aggressive way against the partner; they might withhold attention from the partner in lieu of spending time with friends.


    Social/Sexual

    This subtype is “everyone’s friend.” The social/sexual energy combines with the Nine’s merging tendency and conflict avoidance to create a subtype that is very charming and uses humor quite extensively to engage with the people in their lives. On the down side, they can be frustrating because they can easily lose focus when it comes to their life priorities. With the self-pres instinct last in the stacking, they have a hard time tending to their own needs. They drift, and tend to use their charm to get a lot of their self-pres needs met by the people in their lives. When the Eight wing is dominant, they sometimes even develop a sense of entitlement, though they are just as likely to return help to those they charm into helping them.
    In relationships, this subtype can suffer from some of the same problems as the other social subtype. They usually fall into a relationship in which the partner pushes them to “do more” with their lives. This can be positive for both parties, but often ends up causing resentment to build for both partners.


    Sexual/Self-pres

    The energy of the sexual instinct is at odds with the dominant type Nine energy and makes for a conflicted subtype. These Nines can appear to have a stronger connection to Three, for this reason. The assertive fiery energy engages in a constant push-pull with the calm peace-seeking energy of the Nine. This subtype can have an intense relationship with their environment. They are often drawn to solo sports or to an active engagement with nature that involves some risk and exertion. These Nines are drawn to peak experiences. They might enjoy outdoor solo sports or engaging in nature by way of hiking, rock climbing etc.
    With the social instinct last in the stacking, there can be an on/off quality when it comes to relating and these Nines are often somewhat moodier than the other subtypes. As with the self-pres/sexual, this subtype might not engage socially with the same smoothness as other subtypes of Nine. They seem to go towards others in a staccato fashion – they connect in bursts, then withdraw.
    When it comes to intimate relationships, this subtype can be needy. The merging of the Nine combines with the intensity of the sexual instinct to create a subtype that will always be in danger of losing themselves in a relationship. Their boundaries for themselves and their partner can become blurred which can lead to conflicts. This subtype might have a hard time judging clearly the degree to which they have merged.


    Sexual/Social

    This subtype of Nine may appear least like a stereotypical Nine because the outward sexual and social energies obscure some of the withdrawing and “zoning out” tendencies of the Nine. These Nines are the most connected and assertive of the subtypes of Nine, especially when it comes to relationships. There is still some internal struggle, as with the sexual/self-pres, but overall there is less of a tendency to withdraw. With the self-pres instinct last, this subtype can neglect self-preservational needs in favor of the intensity of their sexual instinct’s pursuits. Individuals of this subtype could easily be mistaken for the dominant wing, because the sexual energy tends to flow in a manner similar to the energy of the wing. A Nine with a One wing would therefore appear more One-like and a Nine with Eight might be mistaken for an Eight.
    The central conflict for these Nines will still be in the realm of close intimate relationships and these Nines will have many of the same issues and challenges as the sexual/self-pres Nines.

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    9w8 - Seeking Peace and Power


    • Awakened Nines with an 8 wing have a modest, steady, receptive core. They are charged by the dynamism of 8 - when focused on goals they often have great force of will. Get things done, make good leaders. May have an animal magnetism of which they are only partly aware. Can seem highly centered, take what they do seriously but remain unimpressed with themselves. 8 wing can bring a strong internal sense of direction. Relatively fearless and highly intuitive. Generally not intellectual unless they have it in their background. When more entranced, they manifest the contradictions of the two styles expressing them in sequence. Could be passively amiable like a Nine and then turn horribly blunt like an 8. One moment they are opinionated or nasty, next moment kindly and supportive. Often don't hear their voices when angry. Can have a sharp, grating edge. May be slow to anger and then explode. Or angry but don't know it; may confuse being assertive with being rude. Placidly callous - both styles support numbness. Tactless and indiscriminate and indiscreet. May be unwittingly disloyal, spilling everyone's secrets. Sexual confusion, sometimes they are driven by lust.



    9w1 - Seeking Peace and Rightness


    • Tend to have been "model children." Instinctively worked to please their parents by being virtuous, orderly, and little trouble. When awakened, they have great moral authority plus good-hearted peacemaking tendencies. Often have a sense of mission, public or private, that involves working hard for the welfare of everyone they are committed to. Principled expression of love. Desire to contribute, do little harm. May be well-liked, modest, endearing, gentle yet firm. Some have great grace and composure with bursts of spontaneity and sweetness. Elegant simplicity. When entranced, they tend to be self-neglectful. May go passively dead and operate from a dubious, fractured morality. Dutiful to what they shouldn't be. Play the good child, disappear into contexts, settle for being overlooked or just partly recognized. Passive tolerance of absurd or damaging situations. One-sided relationships where the Nine gives too much. Rationalize, minimize, tell themselves they had a great childhood, everything's fine. Placid numbness creeps over them. Intolerance of their own emotions. Gradually deaden their soul.

    Instinctual Variants

    Sexual 9 - Seeking Intimacy/Intensity

    • Udit Patel Merging (Ichazo's "Union")

      Sexual Nines seek a sense of well-being by finding something or someone to merge with. They want to be at one with the world, with beauty, with nature, but especially with a special, ideal lover. That being said, Sexual Nines have many anxieties about losing themselves by submerging their identity in the other. Thus, they can sometimes appear ambivalent and emotionally conflicted, like Fours or Sixes. They sometimes attempt to "solve" the inner conflict between their desire for merging and their desire for independence by "triangulation." They engage in two separate, simultaneous relationships that serve different needs while never completely showing up in either. Needless to say, this can create the kinds of conflicts that Nines are trying to avoid.

      The overall affect of Sexual Nines is one of gentleness, ease, and flow, and they seek these qualities in others and in the environment. They also tend to be highly sensual, enjoying tastes, textures, and sensations. Although they resemble Fours in this regard, being ethereal and dreamy, their sensuality is earthy and embodied, and they are not as self-aware or self-doubting as Fours. Sexual Nines tend to be more imaginative than the other Variants—often with elements of gentle whimsy and heroic fantasy. They see the world in magical terms, investing even ordinary objects with a warm glow. They seem to take in the world with a wide-eyed wonder and have a characteristic child-like aura about them.

      Focused on an ideal of romantic union. Get lost in one relationship or in the yearning to have one. High expectations of partner. Sometimes sound melancholy like a Four. Prone to jealousy. May settle on someone and then grow critical and have a wandering eye. Can also deny their partner's flaws and idealize them to stay in union. Another scenario involves multiple relationships, searching from one person to the next. Sometimes the Nine can't decide between two people. Triangulation. Paradoxically, this subtype can be fickle because they are so easily disappointed.


    Social 9 - Seeking Acceptance/Belonging/Inclusion/Status

    • Udit Patel One Happy Family (Ichazo's "Participation")

      Social Nines seek a sense of well being through social connection and friendship. People of this variant may often not seem like Nines because they are usually more outgoing, active, and involved in their world. There is more warmth and affection expressed by Nines of this variant. They tend to be idealistic and are often supportive of causes, acting as the "social glue" in many organizations and groups. But even in the midst of social activity, Social Nines remain strangely unaware of and unaffected by the problems of others. They are drawn to situations in which they feel they can belong, but they also internally hold themselves apart—usually by emotionally distancing themselves from others while maintaining an outward friendliness.

      Since Social Nines tend to be affable and cheerful and enjoy having different experiences, they can resemble Sevens. They also tend to be more task-oriented: they enjoy working on projects and being involved in meaningful activities with others, so they can also resemble Threes. Unlike Threes, however, Social Nines have difficulty sustaining efforts on their own behalf. They do not easily pursue their own goals and tend to get sidetracked by social interactions and others' needs and agendas.

      Social Nines tend to gravitate toward groups and then have conflicts about joining or staying apart. Can enjoy group energy and interests but may be also aware of the group's expectations. These the Nine will both play along with and resist. When immersed in a group, social Nines can lose themselves, trying to become all things to all people. Gregarious but may start to resist being too heavily influenced, to compensate for their sense of lost identity. Can sometimes resent how the group doesn't really see them. May fixate on what others think of them. Or resent the group and make fun of it. Some social Nines stay basically uninvolved but hang out at the group's edge. Frequently there's lots of activity. May get caught up in roles - a stronger connection to 3 goes with this subtype.


    Self-Preservation 9 - Seeking Saftey/Comfort

    • Udit Patel The Comfort Seeker (Ichazo's "Appetite")

      Self-Preservation Nines are perhaps the most easygoing Nines, but they are also the most likely to need time alone, untroubled by other people's influence and requirements. They seek a sense of well-being through comfort: familiar routines, "comfort foods," and a supportive, uncomplicated environment are all highly valued. Self-Pres Nines have their own way of doing things, their own pace, and their own philosophy of life, and they will stubbornly resist any effort to change any of these things. Self-Pres Nines are also people of few words, preferring to communicate in nonverbal ways. They often pretend to be less savvy and aware than they actually are, as if tempting other people to underestimate them—so that they will be left alone. Positively, they are grounded and patient, possessing a great deal of common sense. They tend to have problems with overindulging themselves in food and drink, or conversely with rigorously controlling their diets—this is especially true of Self-Pres Nines with the One wing. They may also lack physical exercise. In any case, having their routine and lifestyle change is very challenging for them.

      Preoccupied with physical comfort, maintaining habits and satisfying appetites. The image of the lazy couch potato goes with this subtype. Strategy for getting along is to ask as little of life as possible. Can have a love of the minimal and enjoy the repetition of known routines. Distract themselves with pleasant domestic activities. Live conservatively. Consume food and drink for anaesthesia. May have large appetites, drug addictions, be physically slow moving.


    Health

    Levels of Development
    Riso & Hudson's Levels of Development

    Level 1 (Most Healthy - The Level of Liberation): Become self-possessed, feeling autonomous and fulfilled: have great equanimity and contentment because they are present to themselves. Paradoxically, at one with self, and thus able to form more profound relationships. Intensely alive, fully connected to self and others.

    Level 5 (Average - The Level of Interpersonal Control): Active, but disengaged, unreflective, and inattentive. Do not want to be affected, so become unresponsive and complacent, walking away from problems, and "sweeping them under the rug." Thinking becomes hazy and ruminative, mostly comforting fantasies, as they begin to "tune out" reality, becoming oblivious. Emotionally indolent, unwillingness to exert self or to focus on problems: indifference.

    Level 9 (Most Unhealthy - The Level of Pathological Destructiveness): They finally become severely disoriented and catatonic, abandoning themselves, turning into shattered shells. Multiple personalities possible. Generally corresponds to the Schizoid and Dependent personality disorders.

    Levels of Integration and DisintegrationIntegration (Nine Goes to Healthy Three)


    • Udit Pate

      As Nines work through their belief that they are invisible and unimportant, they begin to recognize their true value. They see that others really do want them to show up and share themselves fully. Healthy Nines begin to understand that their very existence makes them valuable—God did not make a mistake in creating them. Their experience is much like the adventures of the Jimmy Stewart character in It's a Wonderful Life. They see that the world would be poorer without them and that they have much to contribute to their fellow human beings. They understand that the peace of mind they seek comes from fully sharing their talents, intelligence, and heart with the world. Thus, integrating Nines begin to invest time and energy in themselves, to develop their talents, and to feel a healthy degree of self-esteem. In short, they learn to take pleasure in their own value and goodness.
    • Wake-Up Call

      Awareness of the tendency to accommodate themselves outwardly to others—so that they can rise to a genuine remembering of themselves and their own strength, value, and dignity.

    Security (Nine Goes to Average Three)


    • Udit Patel

      Nines usually feel unimportant and may feel that their own needs and viewpoints are not worth mentioning. With trusted others, however, they may attempt to demonstrate their value, desirability, or even superiority, in the manner of average Threes. In secure situations, Nines will deal with stress also by working more and by being productive—even if their productivity is really "busy work" designed to keep awareness of more crucial problems out of awareness. This busyness is the Nine's way of trying to build a sense of confidence and value. Nines may also try to impress intimates with their accomplishments, status, or attractiveness—although, ironically, they are usually completely unaware of how they are coming across to others.

    Disintegration (Nine Goes to Average Six)

    Udit Patel

    Nines attempt to avoid anxiety and conflict by detaching emotionally from active participation and by not talking about their real concerns and issues. But they can only use this defense up to a point, beyond which they can no longer contain their anxiety, frustration, and fear. At such times, they will begin to exhibit many of the characteristics and behaviors of average-to-unhealthy Sixes. The usually stable, easygoing Nine becomes worried, testy, and defensive. They begin to see others as the source of their unease, complaining to anyone who will listen, and blaming everyone else for their distress. They may also have issues with authority, feeling put upon or controlled by those they see as having power over them. Under prolonged stress, Nines completely lose their placid demeanor and become more and more reactive and nervous. They may seek help and reassurance from others but may just as quickly disparage them for "dominating" or "overwhelming" them.


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    @Slugabed \o/ What about you?

    9w8:
    "Could be passively amiable like a Nine and then turn horribly blunt like an 8. "

    HAHAHA I have never done that, ... like ever ...

    Strictly speaking, my perception of how blunt I am is distorted. However I've *been told* I sound scary when I put some anger in my voice. I can tell that I've put pressure in, but can't necessarily gauge how strongly it will affect people (does depend on the person too ofc.)

    I'm honestly fine with the notion of scaring off people I didn't particularly want to have around, it's convenient. In that respect, I am not an open person. If I want to hear about different people I'm inclined to go read about it instead. However the data is then not as fresh and accurate; thus we have a dilemma.

    Do sometimes have to stop and think about I'm saying, I've unwittingly spread gossip before and try not to do that anymore.

    I was a model kid in a highly specific sense, and in other ways not concerned enough to be able to tell what to do to be model-quality. I'd have very good grades for eg, and at the same time turn up a half-hour late to class every morning, or would turn in work written in red ink (the teachers marked our work in red, so they could easily have rejected my submission.)

    Have gotten better with age at keeping people's flaws in mind as well as their good sides.

    "Sometimes they are driven by lust."

    Please, be more general, this could apply to no-one at all.

    9w1:

    Playing the good child, etc. - Tend to do that when I don't want anything specific from an interaction and try to give the person what I think they're looking for so they'll go away. (It often doesn't work, if you are nice to someone who wants to talk for eg. they end up sticking around for some reason. Lol at me.)

    "Placid numbness creeps over them. Intolerance of their own emotions. Gradually deaden their soul." - sometimes, moreso under perceived stress. It comes and goes.

    Stackings: gneh - both yes and no in too subtle a manner*. I'm doubtful of one-fits-all descriptions for instincts + enneatype, of all things, because the potential means of expression of these combinations seem too varied.

    Health levels: sounds right.

    *Let us not forget when reading about enneagram in general that the Forer effect is a thing, too.
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    @GuavaDrunk

    You seem kinda bittersweet and playfully abrasive, that's why I think of you as w8, the 9w1s that I've known are "good/correct kids" and they aren't playful at all (they don't dare to mess up with ppl like we do ). But there exists balanced wings too.

    On my case I fit almost completely in the 9w8 descriptions (also you need to know that my 8 and 9 are almost the same score on my tests so probably I'm a little bit more 8ish than other 9w8)...anyway, I fit principally in 2 (or 3 I don't remember) descriptions on 9w8 that I haven't posted yet in here (well actually 1 of them is already posted in this forum but I'd have to post it again guess).

    ...that's all I've to add for now.

    And more descriptions, but later.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Slugabed View Post
    @GuavaDrunk

    You seem kinda bittersweet and playfully abrasive, that's why I think of you as w8, the 9w1s that I've known are "good/correct kids" and they aren't playful at all (they don't dare to mess up with ppl like we do ). But there exists balanced wings too.

    On my case I fit almost completely in the 9w8 descriptions (also you need to know that my 8 and 9 are almost the same score on my tests so probably I'm a little bit more 8ish than other 9w8)...anyway, I fit principally in 2 (or 3 I don't remember) descriptions on 9w8 that I haven't posted yet in here (well actually 1 of them is already posted in this forum but I'd have to post it again guess).

    ...that's all I've to add for now.

    And more descriptions, but later.


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    That's fair re: my wings. I think balanced wings is probably the most accurate end-point.

    How do you differentiate between e9 and e8 for yourself then, if they are so close?

     


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    oooh geez, so gross!






    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    That's fair re: my wings. I think balanced wings is probably the most accurate end-point.

    How do you differentiate between e9 and e8 for yourself then, if they are so close?
    ...because of fears and motivations, why else? also I guess it's obvious... or have you ever seen me terrorizing people like an 8 would do?
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    A few more descriptions for instinctual variants of Nines.



    Self Pres 9

    Attention becomes fixated on secondary sources of gratification.

    Nines have a habit of replacing essential wishes (needs) with unessential substitutes, such as too much food, too much TV, or elaborate hobbies or interests.

    All nines have a tendency to replace essential goals with unessential substitutes, but self pres 9's can develop a voracious attachment to the replacement.

    Preoccupied with physical comfort, maintaining habits and satisfying appetites.

    A sense of personal security is associated with substitute, which is most commonly food, travel, TV, collecting.

    Find immediate relief in zoning out on food or books/magazines/movies. Easily becomes a couch potato, vegging out with the newspaper, chips and a drink.

    Store up a supply which clams them.

    Collects things which are never used, but are there in case needed.

    Cutting off a supply of the replacing substitute can feel life threatening because it represents the focal point of a holding patter that expends surplus energy in a predictable way.

    An appetite for the substitute habitually appears when there is time and energy for a personal agenda.

    Security minded 9's don't realizing they're shelving a personal agenda when they're gripped by an appetite like shopping fever. The rising interest in indulging an appetite doesn't feel lazy. It feels exhilarating. Something interesting to do that pulls you out of ambivalence even though it means a lack of commitment to yourself.

    Strategy for getting along is to ask as little of life as possible.

    Can have a love of the minimal and enjoy the repetition of known routines.

    May be physically slow moving.

    Consume food and drink for anesthesia.

    May have large appetites or drug addictions.

    Likes to collect objects and information. Sometimes has trouble throwing things away because they can't decide what really matters to them.

    Appetite emphasis (in all matters, not just food, hunger can be satisfied but not appetite).

    Very attached to rituals of watching TV, reading, working on the computer, sleeping long hours, going to movies, and so on. Feel anxious when anything interferes with routines.

    Resignation is somaticized. Obesity is a passion. Tend to be big and have a paunch (or thin yet substantial with 1 wing emphasis on health). Focused on wants of this world. "I eat therefore I am". Is a yearning for love. Feeding and having instead of being. Economic values, bankers, economist, creature comforts. Like a steamroller, more aggressive but doesn't know it. Certain unawareness of others.

    Pleasant easy going 9. Doesn't ask much from life. Built for comfort not speed. Simple pleasures-that can be relied upon. "The best surprise is no surprise". Slow inertia. Difficulty in mobilizing self on what really matters. Focus instead on comforts. Compensation for stuffing real desires. Sloth-take what comes along. Believe they can't get what they really want. Zone out in chairs. Least ambitious but often talented. Dry sense of humor. Comfortable, no hassles.. Puttering, routines, busy work. Pleasant complacent mood. Unhealthy prone to addictions, predilection to additions/overweight. Apathetic. Couch potato.

    With 1 wing can have emphasis on health matters. Thinner. Holistic approach. Obsessive about health foods, herbal remedies. Metaphysical orientation.

    The self pres 9 wanted this study to reveal they felt much stronger than Enneagram authors described them, as they do not go without their essential needs in life. They did however, explain that they were usually unwilling to be in a conflict to have their needs met. The stated that they would say "okay" and then privately make sure they got whatever it was they wanted, describing this as the power of patience, persistence, and resistance. Many of them were reluctant to share this aspect of their survival strategy because it went against their image of being the kind and loving peacemaker. Nevertheless, they wanted to break the stereotype of being percieved as the "non-person", clarifying that outwardly they may be soft but that on the inside they were hard as nails.

    Can have a strong connection to 6. When appetites won't be satiated, tends to focus on feelings of fear and doubt about needs ever being met.

    Everything metaphysical has to become a physical instead of being theoretical. Holistic methods/medicine. Yoga. Health foods, herbal remedies etc. "Heal yourself through the earth".

    Value resides in belief that what is to be had is in the real world.

    Talks a lot-occupy space by talking. Talk to fill a void.

    Invasive. Overwhelms through good intentions "are you hungry?"

    Goes along with the program outwardly, secretly makes sure all essential needs are met.

    Will not go without food or comfort for long.



    Sexual 9

    Union is the desire to completely merge oneself with a mate.

    Total merger with a partners inner agenda.

    Unite, Melt, or merge with significant others.

    Finding personal identity through taking on the life of another's as their own.

    Nines can absorb another's life into their own.

    "We are the same being"

    Personal goals are surrendered in favor of the needs of another such that the beloved emerges as the focalizer of life.

    Get lost in other person.

    Thoughts and feelings seem synonymous rather than separate.

    Union is the sense of living a mutual life rather than an individual one.

    Union is the sense of mutual existence rather than being a separate individual.

    The reactions of the pair are so merged that the partnership could be described as "inseparable"

    Union provides focus and energy. Lazy about their own direction. Nines' partners can focalize effort and become the reason for being.

    Can be listless and sluggish when not involved.

    Feelings of being overlooked and disregarded vanish in a psychologically undivided state.

    Focused on an ideal of romantic union.

    Perceive the feelings of others more clearly than their own, clairsentient, and physically sense exactly what the other loved on is going through.

    Psychic connections very astute.

    Make their partner happy and become happy themselves through the reflection of this happiness.

    The preoccupation can also extend to an absorbing wish to unite with the divine.

    High expectations of partner.

    Prone to jealousy.

    Can also deny partner's flaws and idealize them to stay in union.

    Another scenario involved multiple relationships. Searching for a fused connection.

    Sound melancholy sometimes like 4's.

    Can't decide between 2 people sometimes (triangulation).

    Can be fickle because easily disappointed.

    Difficult for them to leave a relationship because it's like leaving themselves.

    Union (much more merging beyond sex) Spiritual unions.

    I like the feeling of being in union with a lover, family member, friend, mentor, famous person, guru, pet, nature, or the divine.

    When not in a relationship, melancholy yearning to be in one.

    Sweet and shy. Gain a sense of being through the other. Alpha/Omega. Union/fusion. Contact allows the awareness of difference.

    Can't create a space where there are differences, so no individuation. Lack of freedom to be oneself.

    Becomes lost in others. Lose tension. Merge with those who have qualities like aggressive types. Living vicariously through others. Merge with one more vital-mine by association-want others to rub off on them. Idealize others-security. Seek a complete partnership. Romantic can resemble 4's. Can become critical and demanding if others let them down. Other becomes center of gravity.

    Compliments and insults to other are equal to self. No individualization. Central object relations. Cinderella Wishful thinking.

    Unhealthy-disassociation, depressed, lack of sense of self. Self functioning of past relationship. Reversion back to ideal union. Deep fantasy breaks.

    The sexual 9 wanted to explain the experience of merging. They felt it was important to note that it happens automatically without their conscious intent, and as they become the other, the tension dissolves. It is only through merging with others that they can begin to discover who they are and what they want. First they merge and then they begin to say, "me, not me". It is only through the process of union that they find out what is "not me" and discover "me". They can fight for loved ones as "compliments and insults directed toward those with whom they have merged are felt as if directed toward them".

    Often can only feel a sense of self with the desired other.

    When totally merged with the other, has difficulty determining where self ends and the other begins.

    I need time alone to discover who I am.

    Contain someone's energy-merge until reason not to-invalidation.

    Merges with other to discover self. Who am I?



    Social 9

    Social 9's gravitate toward groups and then have conflicts about joining or staying apart.

    Social 9's are inclined to join groups and to attend on a regular basis without making a full inner commitment. The question stays open. Ambivalence is constant.

    9's are either totally aversive to joining groups, often expressing their ongoing search for personal goals with the inner question "Do I belong here or not?"

    Some social 9's stay basically uninvolved but hang out on the groups edge.

    There is an attraction to the energy of people doing something together, which provides a pleasant distraction but also provides a constant background of energy that the 9 can dip in and out of.

    Can enjoy group energy and interests but may be also aware of the group's expectation. These the 9 will both play along with and resist.

    High energy feelings are molded and contained by familiar group activities. A defined activity presents goals, procedures and an ongoing timetable that demand a predictable expenditure of energy. You know what you are going to do, how long it will last, and who will be there.

    Gravitate toward groups with meetings and agendas that allow memebrs to participate at a low level of energy and take responsibility and leadership when they have energy to burn.

    Participate in group activities can be comforting way to feel included and loved.

    It can also be the place of greatest laziness for social 9 because the energy that could be spent in meeting personal agenda is shunted instead of taking part in social activities.

    High energy feelings can be molded and contained by the requirements of group activity. A defined activity presents goals, procedures and an ongoing timetable that demand predictable expenditure of energy.

    Groups are often structured with meetings and agendas that allow members to participate at a low level of energy, or to assume responsibility and leadership when they have energy to burn

    Gregarious but may start resit being heavily influenced, to compensate for their sense of lost identity.

    Can sometimes resent how the group doesn't really see them.

    May fixate on what others think of them

    May resent the group and may make fun of it.

    When immersed in a group. social 9's can lose themselves, trying to become all things to all people.

    Participation (careful to avoid the center, don't want to get really involved)

    Community emphasis on participation.

    Frequently there is a lot of activity.

    May get caught up in roles-stronger connection to 3.

    In addition to wanting to further causes, I join groups in order to structure my time, to soak up energy and become enlivened, to see how I can best fit in, and to discover where to direct myself.

    Participation comes from group. Being a part of and bonded to a group. More gregarious. Desire to be something bigger. Narrow view-local, peasant mentality. Doesn't go beyond limits (the hobbit).

    Avoids conflicts. Participating withdrawn type. Tries to go along with plans. Likes to be involved with others. Don't like expectations placed on them. Doesn't want to be overloaded. Mediators. Balance interests. Most passive-aggressive. Difficulty saying no. What is expected of conscious of others opinions of them. Want to be respected. Afraid of not blending in. Anxious about losing identity. Participate from fringe. Fear of embarrassment-ruled by need to protect oneself from embarrassment. Difficult separating goals from social milieu. Can be scattered and disenchanted. Resigned and depressed. Neediness masked by emotional flatness. Doesn't want center stage.

    Social 9's did not feel slothful and often strongly identified with 3's because they were "very busy" and constantly on the go with lots of energy. However, they described their energy as dispersed and diffused without being focused on a single goal. Some felt that they were w workaholics and didn't sleep much at all. The more extroverted social 9's stated that they "belonged to groups to find themselves through connection and shared interest with others." Nevertheless they were reluctant to take on too much responsibility to avoid conflict. They would rather be a member of the board of directors than be in charge. The social 9 felt universally connected to everything and had the most difficult deciding on a type.

    Interest tend to be diverse to minimize time invested in one area.

    Can be very active in groups or social causes.

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    Bliss Stream's New Descriptions for the 9w8 Stackings

    9w8 sp/so

    They make good leaders based on their ability for grand strategy and a talent for co-operation. They excel at man-management and can handle/balance/maneuver a variety of personalities. Their minds are flexible and they improvise well under pressure without losing their strategic aims… Others may be surprised to know these 9s possess such qualities, for this stack enjoys being underestimated because it keeps others off balance.

    Their modesty, amiability, and ability to express a bigger vision in simple and straightforward language is often enough to exercise charm over most people who come in contact with them, making them suitable for positions of power and responsibility that require a cool and collected disposition. Their modesty, if not the result of disassociation, often belies a true confidence in themselves and others. There’s nothing grandiose or pretentious about them….Through their line to Six, they can virtually lose themselves in preparations for contingencies and future outlines. This type needs more downtime to refresh themselves and relax.

    They enjoy their leisure time as a way to keep themselves on an even keel. This style has both mental and physical discipline.... Despite the majority of them being introverts, they have a very externalized and pragmatic focus balanced off by ideals of conduct they try to abide by. They measure themselves to individuals of the past that have some subjective value to them. Their minds are factual and they know their areas of interest much deeper than they let on. They aren’t big personalities, but work their willpower without fanfare...

    9w8 sp/sx

    They have a stronger line to 6. They are the less trusting 9w8s and the more rugged...Puts comfort above all else and may lack a sense of fashion as a result. They have an exaggerated sense for the harmony between themselves and nature /animals, even wild animals. More transgressive of social norms than the other 9w8s. They have a natural affinity for the wilderness and also have the can-do attitude to chart a course towards a more simple lifestyle. Romance is where this 9w8's life is turned upside down from everything being manageable and rational to intense and stormy. Very low-maintenance partners.

    9w8 so/sp

    Often make good mentors for the lost, wayward or delinquent. Reliable individuals with good leadership ability but may wind up in supporting positions because their diversity of energy can make it harder to define themselves firmly...they have a sense of never being known in spite of their successes which they only wind up reframing as luck. May not be an intellectual in the traditional sense of the word but is the most intellectually-inclined 9w8...they often have a draw to sociology or physics and can make good problem-solvers. This can come with an absent-minded quality...Even if they aren't sociologists in the official sense, they are naturals at tuning into the voice of the faces in the crowd. They like the faces that go uncelebrated. Can justify their actions based on other people's responses and assess whether a choice is right or not by whether it gives them more sense of belonging. When it comes to group or political involvement, they'll dabble enough to feel like they belong to a larger whole while declining any hard-core involvement. Most inclined 9w8 to handle conflict diplomatically, in hopes of bringing others to a peaceful resolution.

    9w8 so/sx

    They have the most difficulty knowing who they are or what they value. They look for confirmation of their existence through their connections with others. They may seek out positions of leadership or influence to enhance the acknowledgement others give them. 9w8 most inclined to feel they are being taken advantage of when they find themselves doing and saying things they neither want to do nor say. When this happens, as it often does, they shift gears back down into a low energy passive pattern, trying to numb themselves out from the abuse they feel has been put upon them and their social image. When feelings of this abuse resurface, they shift gears into a more angry response and overset their boundaries.

    They will even stay silent for longer periods of time in a group just to amplify how badly they want to be listened to, heard and respected when they do finally decide to say something. It's important to them, because this 9 knows all too well how easy it is for them to lose their opinion in the sea of many opinions and agendas of those around them. This 9w8 may even expect others to look to them as the leader due to some of their presence and charisma; however, being the decisive leader is not something they can sustain for too long due to the stress of perceived agendas by others, most of which the 9 blows out of proportion... No other type on the enneagram can relate to the degree with which this type thinks it doesn't exist. They could jump off a building in broad daylight and feel like nobody would notice.

    9w8 sx/so

    This typewingstack is sometimes diva-esque. May often escape problems by creating a fairyland of beauty and dreams, reflecting how wonderful their life "really" is. Feels the 9's sense of anonymity clashing with the sx-instincts confidence and desire to escape it. Positive self-view, sometimes boldly confident, self-reliant, and won't judge thesmelves by the standards of society. The idea of a soul mate is somebody who can understand them without any words. May develop themselves as a sex symbol, can often come to symbolize whatever qualities they wish to brand themselves with...devoted to charity causes. unlike so/sx, this stacking not only has the ability to make friends with anybody they come in contact with but to entrance people.

    They have a natural instinct for what fits them best in terms of outer appearance, but neither through imitation of others nor adherence to fashion but simply an enhancement of their natural qualities. They may express an unsureness of themselves by trying to vary their appearance but they learn through trial and error on how to look natural without seeming contrived. They want their outer appearance to flow with the grain of their features. They don't want to use outer appearance as a mask to hide behind. Even though they will be receptive to newer fashions, once they find a basic style that suits them, it won’t change much in spite of current fashions.

    They can play host for others or groups. They commit totally to people. They give their trust totally, and hurt totally in the violation of their trust. They will then avoid the source of their pain to let their wounds heal and try again. It’s not that they are blindly trusting of others but they realize for practicality sake that’s the best way to find out whether someone is trustworthy or not. They can certainly suffer disillusionment….

    Romantic and vulnerable... Unions between themselves and others are the epic moments of their life and give them a position of power over life. They are the most inclined 9w8 to merge with aggressive or larger than life people who have a love for life and strength the 9 can admire. Most confessional in relationships and look for people with common emotional experience. They like to break through the others’ inner conflicts. Will put their feelings before morals when it comes to relationships and can fall into libertine patterns. Views sex as private and special. Gives the act an air of mystery and exalts, as opposed to degrade or cheapen, the role that sex plays throughout their life. Doesn’t link vulgarity with attraction. Beauty and mystery go hand in hand with sexuality...and they feel that exposure is less attractive than the right piece of clothing.

    Attracted to openness and strength. Ambitious and use their merging ability to meet the right people to advance themselves but will draw a line about how far they will go. Sometimes reframe the result of their own hyper-merging abilities with others as strong premonitions or eerie abilities of perception.

    9w8 sx/sp

    This 9 stack receives life without hesitation. They exert very little control over their emotional lives and prefer to give themselves total freedom to experience real responses and feelings. They can have an electricity about them that is both simple and regal, being able to unconsciously convey who they are without saying much.

    They don't try to walk or move in an artificial way. They often have a great sense of humour and will push themselves to enjoy the same things as their significant others. Playfulness is especially high with this stack. But they are more rigid about who they give their energy to and are drawn to people who have similar experiences as them. This type can relate to common experience at a nonverbal level, giving them room to create a sense of harmony with others even with those who speak different languages.

    They also have a savvy business sense. And in spite of their liberal attitudes, they can have an old-fashioned approach to raising family and will give more than themselves to those they care about, often finding it very difficult to break away...Can feel oppressed, as they don't often get to do what they want for long periods of time. Sense of being reincarnated in life all the time, redefining themselves out of necessity.

    This type views their realness as having a large potential to reach people who are going through the same problems. Just knowing that gives them more room to be a little 'crazy.' Because they know that they truly aren't alone in their 'craziness.' Fear of pretending in relatonships, just going through the motions. Loses a sense of identity by giving so much of their openness and love to family or lover. It causes them to be overly sensitive to rejection, so constantly looking to do the perfect thing, which can inevitably lead to a break down. The loss of a relationship can devastate them. They may break down into a zombie-like state for years upon end and ultimately do the inevitable unless they can find something to keep them sane.

    Source:http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-fo...#/topics/57983

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    Type Nine with a One Wing (9w1)
    In Integration:

    9w1s in health (or integration) are people who combine the desire for peace of a Type Nine with the responsibility and moral obligation of a Type One. They follow the rules and fulfill what is expected of them because they truly want to create a harmonious society — and feel they have a duty to do so. They desire to do good and be good. 9w1s have double body center. 9w1s are generally nice people, like all Nines, and the One wing adds judicious and tactful tendencies. The One wing helps the Nine have a sense of acceptable social behaviors and good conduct. This subtype is much more reserved and orderly than 9w8s. They are less prone to bursts of anger like the other subtype. 9w1s are often spiritually oriented people. They connect to the flow of the universe like the Nine, but the One wing allows them to channel their spiritual experiences into daily practices like yoga, prayer, meditation, the reading of sacred texts, and reflection. The One wing is so helpful to the Nine in this way because spiritual practices help the Nine to restore their inner balance when it’s disrupted. Peace (both inner and outer) is vital to a Nine’s well-being and the One wing creates a drive in a healthy Nine to devote energy to bringing peace into the world. They are adept and patient mediators, social justice initiators, wise sages showing others different paths to the Divine, and generally, they seek to create unity wherever they go. You will experience a 9w1 as a comforting, calm, person who has a firm belief that their efforts towards harmony are important in creating a better world.

    In Stress/Disintegration: In stress, 9w1s goes to the low side of both numbers. They are people who desire peace no matter what. Their anger, feelings, and opinions are repressed in order to sustain this peace, and they do their very best to ignore anything that will disrupt inner and outer harmony. They will put up with abusive behavior from others, they will disregard things that are unfair, and they become inert in the face of challenges. Nines in stress check out naturally, but the One wing compounds this desire to disconnect from everything, including themselves. This detachment can extend for many years, as long as 9w1s remain stressed and cope in unhealthy ways. This can lead to many 9w1s experiencing depression. A 9w1 in disintegration will also exhibit some of the perfectionistic tendencies of Type One. They can start to be obsessively organized, stubbornly insisting that things in life be done the right way and put in proper order. A 9w1 won’t get angry, but they will have attitudes of censure and bitterness.

    Type Nine with an Eight Wing (9w8)

    “When two brothers are busy fighting, an evil man can easily attack and rob their poor mother. Mankind should always stay united, standing shoulder to shoulder so evil can never cheat and divide them.” ― Suzy Kassem, Rise Up and Salute the Sun: The Writings of Suzy Kassem

    In Integration:

    9w8s in health are pleasant, agreeable people who also exude an innate sense of authority. They are also a double body center. 9w8s bring a stable, calm, firm, and solid energy into places and situations. The Eight wing brings an aura of strength to the easygoing Type Nine. Their strength is much more reserved and detached than the aggression and raw power of the pure Type Eight, though. The Eight wing helps the Nine to move through life with more common sense, directness, and a take-charge attitude. 9w8s can be leaders, CEOs of big corporations, or politically inclined. (I often wonder if President Obama is either a 9w8 or 9w1.) They are usually very cool under pressure and don’t resort to despair in the face of crisis. Other people truly like and follow 9w8 leaders because they are powerful and compelling, while also being kindhearted, serene, and pleasant.

    In Stress/Disintegration:

    In stress, 9w8s take on the low side of Type Nine and the low side of Type Eight. This creates a very strong internal tension because the Nine desires harmony at all costs and the Eight desires to express anger and engage in conflict. Usually, a stressed out 9w8 will be compliant and try to move away from conflict, except for the times when the Eight wing roars and the Nine suddenly explodes. These eruptions of anger serve to try to communicate to people in their lives that a Nine’s boundaries have been crossed. The Eight wing also propels the Nine to step into conflict at the very end in order to diffuse and wrap up a fight in a direct, efficient manner. This allows the 9w8 to then move back to a place of harmony as quickly as possible. 9w8s are not as upset by their anger as 9w1s would be, they don’t feel guilty about it. Their desire is to get back to inner and outer peace; their feeling of normal. One distinguishing feature of the disintegrated 9w8 is their tendency to dissociate from others and their own feelings, all while exacting revenge on people who have wronged them. They are dispassionately vengeful. And like a Type Eight, once you are on their bad side, you are blacklisted forever. They might seem nice and act socially polite, but any kind of relationship with them will be over for good.

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