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    Quote Originally Posted by falsehope View Post
    The main economic drive of automation is that it is supposed to reduce costs, and if this would create the same amount of higher paying or same paying jobs than it would be irrelevant. The biggest savings in money are in workforce, and in some cases it's drastic. These companies have huge profits yet hire very little people, so their profits per hired person are even more ridiculous than their earnings. Such huge earnings come from mass usage of automation.
    Unless we're talking about two different employers. But even if we're not, I'm talking about the fact that jobs which can be replaced with automation are freeing up resources to create jobs that cannot. This is how it has always been with automation. The automation still reduces costs because if the company had to pay a workforce that can be automated but is not, and a workforce which is not automated because it cannot (yet) be performed by a non-human it would still pay more.

    The real question is whether AI is different from other forms of automation, if "this time is different" or if history will repeat itself. I don't know what will happen but while I do think it's good to be prepared for the worse, it's also not certain if this is what will happen.

    The most civilised countries are going to be hit most, as high paying jobs are more likely to be automated. In 10 years I think 1/3 of current jobs will be automated in western world, and these will be high paying and low paying jobs. Inequality will be even higher. And medical costs will be also higher because western societies are getting older.
    Low paying jobs are more likely to be automated, simply because there is more of them and thus they cost more. High paying jobs cost less because there is less of them. "High paying" and "low paying" are relative terms btw.

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    They're likely the only thing that exist if you aren't willing to believe in the more "derived" portions of socionics. It simply asserts there are different segments of reality that different people are more likely to pay attention to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallas View Post
    Is it really coherent to speak of IEs? I've said before that socionics seems like zooming in on parts of an overall system rather than putting things together (which Gulenko points out in his cognitive styles thread in the Holographic-Panoramic section, and all the Ti-ish socionics mathematician types tend to think of types like this as well) and in that case I don't think it is.

    For example, take , what people consider the most boring function. On the one hand I tend to be good at the arts and I like to keep my things "Ordnung muss sein!"-level neat because I think that's pleasing and helps with actually accomplishing things, but on the other hand even since I was young I've said "I don't think things can be real except that they stand for something else" (which is philosophical idealism in the non-Berkeleyian sense and very, very, from a Jungian perspective) and have a rather infamous tendency to not notice things like the temperature (including wearing sandals when it's below freezing outside, then someone says "You're wearing sandals? It's below freezing..." and I respond something like "...Oh. I didn't notice, but I'll go put on some real shoes if this is weird then,") or when I've been injured (like the times where I'd fall down, people would gasp and say "Are you OK?" and I would respond "Of course, why not?" and then later I'd take off my jacket and see that I have a 2-foot-long dark black bruise across my entire arm). People will often break up functions into positive and negative versions of functions, like in this case + and -, which are "enjoys positive aesthetic experiences, organization, etc." and "avoids discomfort" respectively in this case, and you could say that I'm good at + and frighteningly bad at -, but that seems like severely overcomplicating things to me, and people don't think like that in general and that gets into alternative models that are very, very far from classical socionics (as if people used classical socionics in the first place. People use Filatova around here generally).
    Yes - descriptions of the IEs literally give examples of things people do IRL.

    I don't study the signs personally, tend to cause a lot of confusion.

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