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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Like #godz
    Have you read Gaiman's American Gods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    Have you read Gaiman's American Gods?

    I looked through the plot and I agree though, neverless, Ne is divine as much as Si is ambrosia hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post

    I looked through the plot and I agree though, neverless, Ne is divine as much as Si is ambrosia hehe
    Agree with what?



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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    Agree with what?



    The self love force is strong today.
    The thesis that the divine is the elevation of the human, gods are made by us. Understandable since drive for altering one's existence helps to evolve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    The thesis that the divine is the elevation of the human, gods are made by us. Understandable since drive for altering one's existence helps to evolve.
    I was curious because I think you might find a kindred spirit there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    I was curious because I think you might find a kindred spirit there.
    That would be nice On my list.
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    Calm me down or check me in 1 second.
    One look or a touch.
    "Relax" "quit it" or "what are you doing?" My 2 brothers have done this my whole life. ESI and SEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatesyardwork View Post
    Calm me down or check me in 1 second.
    One look or a touch.
    "Relax" "quit it" or "what are you doing?" My 2 brothers have done this my whole life. ESI and SEE
    Damn, I noticed a similar effect with my SLI dad My tempers and moods have zero effect on him, he suggests what I have to do and that's it, I feel at ease.

    Does this work the other way around with your brothers?
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    They seem so scary at first. But if you chat them up they are very kind, reasonable, non-judgmental, pro-active, and I just feel relaxed and calm around them. I'm astounded at how well they handle stress too. I think my communication skills improve being around them too because I have a hard time finding the words for stuff. I find myself being more organized and getting things done more too. I get stuck in my head a lot. I'm not happy about that, but that's who I am. Maybe I need to try and focus on Se more and lead with that if I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Damn, I noticed a similar effect with my SLI dad My tempers and moods have zero effect on him, he suggests what I have to do and that's it, I feel at ease.

    Does this work the other way around with your brothers?
    It does work but in a different way. I calm my ESI brother down by not trying to. Like your dad he has zero effect on me. I just let him rant and he calms himself down eventually. He rages and I let him and it calms him down. He realizes he's not getting a reaction and he just stops eventually.
    I need an abrupt stoppage and he needs to blow off steam. Strange. Don't know if that is socionics or maturation. I know how to or not to push his buttons because I can escalate him by needling him. Be unreactive, don't make it look like I am judging him. Neutral body language and expressions. He calms down.

    Is our behavior a difference in logics/ethics or using Fi differently.
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    Someone who to share with all encompassing view that everything is essentially just pure insanity. If not apparent at first you just need to work with it having it in mind.
    From me one can not demand and expect:
    • practicality of ideas;
    • punctuality and diligence;
    • consistency and completeness;
    • constant order in the home and in the workplace;
    • quality of routine work;
    • soft skills to adapt to the interlocutor.


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    So called false dual logic that actually reveals some remote potentials:
    "sure crocodiles can fly, but very, very close to the ground"
    Just think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullets View Post
    Oh they are good at sticking up for me in social situations, but its only because they wanna fuck me.
    maybe if you did some more squats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullets View Post
    Well they kinda do... so many SLEs are in prison and shit. The only thing they got going for 'em is their sex appeal.
    It's sad but true unfortunately. The other day I wrote out some thoughts on how there are 4 life tracks that SLEs can take, which can be mixed and matched:

    1) you are a criminal, drug dealer, or become an ex-criminal working serial minimum wage jobs
    2) you are That Guy who is deep down a chaotic good who is always pushed into lawful good Gryffindor Goku mode roles
    3) you are a regular worker bee, wimpy, moody and frustrated at your own inffectualness within your current position and you compensate by whipping your spouse at home or going on forums in your double life (usually the girlier, wimpier SLE guys are like this, or the actual women, especially at the start of their careers)
    4) you are a pro athelete
    5) stay at home mom

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    It's sad but true unfortunately. The other day I wrote out some thoughts on how there are 4 life tracks that SLEs can take, which can be mixed and matched:

    1) you are a criminal, drug dealer, or become an ex-criminal working serial minimum wage jobs
    2) you are That Guy who is deep down a chaotic good who is always pushed into lawful good Gryffindor Goku mode roles
    3) you are a regular worker bee, wimpy, moody and frustrated at your own inffectualness within your current position and you compensate by whipping your spouse at home or going on forums in your double life (usually the girlier, wimpier SLE guys are like this, or the actual women, especially at the start of their careers)
    4) you are a pro athelete
    5) stay at home mom
    I'd say this is a pretty grim assessment, except that I know six SLE's off the top of my head, and they sort into your tracks extremely well.

    (1) in track #1. Spent ten years in Jackson prison for armed robbery, now is completely unemployable despite being a hard worker.
    (4) in track #2. One has a PhD & MBA but is not well-liked by his co-workers because he can be obviously exploitative and can't see that he's annoying people, the second is in theater and is supported by his GF but does not beat her, the third is in maintenance and does not beat his IEI GF, and the fourth is a cashier in a restaurant and is heavily tatooed with the front half of his head shaved and the back half gathered into a pony tail, has given up on women, and is probably the nicest guy of the bunch.
    (1) in track #3. Exactly as described, but does not go on forums.
    (0) in track #4. I need to expand my circle of friends.
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    Things that surprise me about my duals:

    They are easy to talk to. Time seems to fly by during our conversations.
    Some of them get incorrect ideas in their heads and seem to be unable to change or to let go of these ideas.
    I seem to inexplicably piss off most of them sooner or later, and I have no idea how this happens. Weirdly enough, they don't stay upset forever. Time to reconciliation has ranged from minutes to years, of the ones who have reconciled.
    Their negativity and practicality provides a surprisingly valuable counter-balance to my positivism and slightly impractical optimism.
    I feel happier when I talk to them for a while. This seems to apply to all of the one's I've talked to.

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    Their ability to make things happen and brazenly be themselves while doing it. That someone so different from me could possibly be attracted to my neurotic kook of a personality.

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    I relate. I think, how could someone need a loose cannon in their life But apparently I'm like @Slugabed's second soul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I relate. I think, how could someone need a loose cannon in their life But apparently I'm like @Slugabed's second soul




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    Quote Originally Posted by Slugabed View Post


    These made my heart go doki doki Ahhh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I'm like @Slugabed's second soul
    At this rate I think that we could do this...



    Or this if you prefer...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slugabed View Post
    At this rate I think that we could do this...



    Or this if you prefer...

    FuuSIOOOONNN <33333333 Well. We are now the official panda squad of 16types ^3^
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    Things that astound me about LSEs :

    - How they achieve professional success by being so good they can't be ignored; by producing things that are so undeniably useful such that employers just can't not hire/promote them (as opposed to achieving professional success by being uber charismatic and excellent at networking, which is the avenue that many successful people took) -- they build success on solid foundations made of stone, earth, and wood, not air -- they master their craft in painstaking detail instead of trying to skip steps -- their confidence is based on competence
    - Their incredible work ethic
    - Their instinct for when to do things like bribe hardware shops to duplicate keys that have "do not duplicate" written on them
    - Their sense of humor
    - How emotionally vulnerable they actually are, under the facade of success, ambition, and competence -- how much power they give someone as nondescript and gentle as me to affect them

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    The sheer quantity of things they can find to be precise about.
    Reason is a whore.

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    How much they seek attention by doing loud obnoxious things. My cold looks make my SEE flustered sometimes. Now that is wonderful.

    Other times he tries to interrupt me when I'm saying something, I stop, think about saying something else, then go on or change directions, in any case he laughs and heee heee hees at me that I'm flustered. That's so not true and my cool reply makes him mysterious and wondering.

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    - Can fix things exactly the way you ideally expected and hoped for without ever falling short in some form
    - Highly knowledgeable about practical matters in nearly endless detail
    - Easy to talk to about almost any subject on your mind
    - Defaults to being relaxed and easy going the vast majority of the time even if flustered at certain moments
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    Their social skills are basically witchcraft (in a good way).
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    I haven't known too many EIEs but here we go:

    - Instinctive social skills that didn't come from reading a book, it's simply part of their make-up
    - They are comfortable expressing emotion
    - They effortlessly network
    - They tend to be humorous
    - They are multi-talented, especially in artistic fields
    - They tend to appreciate a wide range of music from heavy metal to classical
    - They are mercurial, and that captures my attention
    - We can talk for hours with ease
    - They seem comfortable around me, despite my awkwardness
    - They have a sense of adventure
    - They have a knack for getting me to open up
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    SLEs do not really "astound" me, but there are a few things I could think of that I admire about them...

    Their persistence, dedication, and determination.
    They may suffer hardship in life, but they don't back down. They can be relentless and strong, both in mind and spirit. The lack of foresight they make up for by being proactive and doing whatever it takes. They don't feel sorry for themselves for long at all.

    Their combination of light-hearted emotionalism and cold, straight-forward logic.
    They can both be serious and incredible silly at the same time. They either mess around, or don't mess around. It's an interesting mix.

    Their profound realism, with an idealistic streak.
    They see the world as it is and focus on what matters. At the same time, they have an idealistic streak that can make them want to achieve greater in life or get closer to some kind of ideal that would benefit people they care about or humanity at large.

    No offense taken.
    As far as I know, there is no way to offend an SLE. You may say something that will make them think you are stupid or lame, but there won't be any personal offense taken. That is incredibly refreshing to me. I don't feel like I am walking on egg shells with them. I know I could say anything and not get some weird emotional backlash for it. I don't have to censor myself.

    Bonus points:
    Direct flirting. Makes me melt, ha.
    Physical presence.
    Sense of humour. Everything's all fun and games.
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    - They love music like I do. I can appreciate all the weird underground stuff they have in store and they appreciate shitty dancey rap and pop.
    - They're sassy like me, except they do it with depth and insight and logicz while I just make funny observations or say something in the ethical realm. It's like a game of who can be sassier.
    - They're so grumpy and I love how grumpy they are I just wanna hug them and/or slap the shit out of them.
    - They're a rare find while I'm everywhere.
    - They're so real and they don't give a fuck about social stuff.
    - They're easy to talk to.
    - I want to make them my slaves but the truth is that they'll probably mentally control me. Physically, I got it down, though.
    My only fear of death is comin' back to this bitch reincarnated.




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    Quote Originally Posted by handjob View Post


    - I want to make them my slaves but the truth is that they'll probably mentally control me. Physically, I got it down, though.
    This is how works. It's not accoutrement to . Not ILI but I mentally control people all the time and they don't tend to mind or notice. Then people are strong warriors who physically control people and Victims likewise don't mind being controlled that way at all (although they always notice due to having the ). Decisive duality is a mess.


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    I'm currently trying to deprogram a beautiful SEE who has been abused by IEIs and EIEs (because they're basically jealous and done a good job of dragging her down and disempowering her) and is super neurotic because of it, so yeah I can attest to beta mind control over gamma sensors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    I'm currently trying to deprogram a beautiful SEE who has been abused by IEIs and EIEs (because they're basically jealous and done a good job of dragging her down and disempowering her) and is super neurotic because of it, so yeah I can attest to beta mind control over gamma sensors
    "Program" - what is that about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    "Program" - what is that about?
    they've got her convinced in values that devalue her own good qualities and accentuate theirs, in other words, without any tangible or "real" reason she believes they're better than her and she's a peice of shit when its the exact opposite. they've basically ruined her self esteem by erecting a dominance heirarchy with them on top with their brainless flunkies enforcing it, when by all rights they should be on the bottom. they produce nothing, create nothing of value and in general lower the quality of everything around them, just so they can call the shots. they put all their effort into being good scammers and none into actual production of real quality or benefit for anyone but themselves and everything around them turns to shit

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    They can look quiet, studious, diligent, even a bit boring or mousy, yet the moment you pick up a little Fe-seeking clue and amplify it they suddenly look downright sunny and even cute =^.^=
    Reason is a whore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    I'm currently trying to deprogram a beautiful SEE who has been abused by IEIs and EIEs (because they're basically jealous and done a good job of dragging her down and disempowering her) and is super neurotic because of it, so yeah I can attest to beta mind control over gamma sensors
    I take everything you say with a huge grain of salt since I think you are clueless about people and tend to exaggerate so you can spread your Beta NF hatred. The only thing you can attest to are your own biases based on what you think someone's type is. That is about all since you aren't even sure of your own. People like you spreading disinformation is the reason why typology ultimately doesn't work.

    Eventually you will be self typing something else and realize the SEE probably wasn't. Maybe she is an EIE or ESE abused by and SF.

    But since you consider yourself such a decent human being that you are helping "deprogram a beautiful SEE" maybe you can watch this chick a bit and get some ideas on what an SEE responds to?

    I can tell already she is just your type too.



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    Bertrand is either a troll or insane, folks... I don't know how anyone can read things like that and not think that he is completely insane, possibly bordering on paranoid schizophrenia.

    Honestly, what IS up with this guy? Is anyone else not bothered by him?

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    betas are feisty today

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    At first I thought you were just taking the piss a bit with the beta hatred, but it's like the way some people get deluded and obsessed over the idea of duality but inverted, with sublime idealized antipathy in its place. I've seen a lot of cross-quadra scapegoating, but never anything quite like this.

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    As frequent user of open source programs I request beta NFs to share their source code to the public.
    I have deciphered some of it one thread (My thought process) and found it bit unimpressive/familiar but it lacks something critical.

    But yeah I have seen very badly programmed SEEs in the wilderness. One with bipolar and it was nasty...
    From me one can not demand and expect:
    • practicality of ideas;
    • punctuality and diligence;
    • consistency and completeness;
    • constant order in the home and in the workplace;
    • quality of routine work;
    • soft skills to adapt to the interlocutor.


    Anal Expulsive personality (no hyphens for you)

    So called false dual logic that actually reveals some remote potentials:
    "sure crocodiles can fly, but very, very close to the ground"
    Just think about it.

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    Probably the amount of tolerance for other people they have.

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