Black sheep of each quadra

[Syynth]

In your experience, which type in each quadra most often acts in ways that contradict their quadra values? In other words, which alpha acts the least alpha, which beta acts the least beta and so on.

In my experience:
Alpha: ILEs
Beta: IEIs
Gamma: ESIs
Delta: IEEs

[Singu]

Alpha: LII if it means being kind of more serious, and ILE if it means being more offensive

[FDG]

strats said that IEI and ESI are "support roles" in their quadras, whatever that means. (but i dont even really think she was right since they both have a direct influence on the ExTx type of that quadra)

[Chae]

In your experience, which type in each quadra most often acts in ways that contradict their quadra values? In other words, which alpha acts the least alpha, which beta acts the least beta and so on.

In my experience:
Alpha: ILEs
Beta: IEIs
Gamma: ESIs
Delta: IEEs

You could make a chain out of that. ILE acts more Beta, IEI more Gamma, ESI more Delta and IEE more alpha. I think most of these are related to demonstrative function concerns

[Singu]

strats said that IEI and ESI are "support roles" in their quadras, whatever that means. (but i dont even really think she was right since they both have a direct influence on the ExTx type of that quadra)

The "perfector" or "corrector" type that decides that the quadra should end, are LII, IEI, ESI and SLI, which may have something to do with this.

http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t..._Benefit_Rings

It's interesting, because it says that the IEI actually reject most of the Beta things, and somehow crash the system.

[Mr inappropriate]

SEI : 1D Ne, can seem like Delta EII
LSI : most controlled one. IEI's are both into poetry and sucidal, what else can top their Beta-ness level ?
SEE : Hybrid between ESE / SLE
IEE : Alpha-ish, 4D Ne&Fe

[The Exception]

My rather surface impressions:

Alpha: LII, they seem more serious, more concerned with long-term implications of things. Almost gamma-like except they're not.
Beta: IEI, a lot more chill compared to the rest. Maybe that's why they can handle the SLE.
Gamma: SEE. Less serious and more 'fun loving' compared to other gammas. Can easily get mistyped as EIE or ESE.
Delta: LSE, a lot less chill compared to the rest. The demonstrative Se can be a force to be reckoned with.

[mclane]

Any type can be a black sheep provided they focus on a function that is not valued by their quadra (I think a person has a preference for one or more functions, and these don't have to be valued functions). For example; an ILE with a strong focus on their ignoring Ni.

[darya]

Alpha: LII
Beta: LSI
Gamma: SEE
Delta: IEE

[Syynth]

You could make a chain out of that. ILE acts more Beta, IEI more Gamma, ESI more Delta and IEE more alpha.

I like that idea. The opposite direction would be an LSE acts more gamma, SEE more beta, EIE more alpha, and LII more delta.

[Chae]

I like that idea. The opposite direction would be an LSE acts more gamma, SEE more beta, EIE more alpha, and LII more delta.

Yes! Perfect.

[The Reality Denialist]

Wherever your lies your desired definition considering the quadra. Subtypes are also huge contributors.

[Chae]

Another important mention: ENFx types are pretty good at regulating their personality so they can blend quadra boundaries. Their broad range and lack of consistency can make them "black sheep", so to say. Take me as an example, you know how difficult my typing history was (or is? wohahaaa) I can fit in any quadra - especially Eta aha - I just have to want it.

[noaydi]

I want to be the black sheep too :'( this sound badass

[The Reality Denialist]

Another important mention: ENFx types are pretty good at regulating their personality so they can blend quadra boundaries. Their broad range and lack of consistency can make them "black sheep", so to say. Take me as an example, you know how difficult my typing history was (or is? wohahaaa) I can fit in any quadra - especially Eta aha - I just have to want it.

It is probably quite common for beta NF to have some sort of diffuse identity especially with 1D Ti and 1D Si.

I have IEI sister who is not outwardly playing this but is mentally pretty much occupied with those kinds of issues (aristocratic traits with Ti). Trend is also observable on this forum as well.

So how diffuse are IEEs? EIIs are pretty well anchored to their relations so I doubt it is huge issue for them.

[Chae]

It is probably quite common for beta NF to have some sort of diffuse identity especially with 1D Ti and 1D Si.

I have IEI sister who is not outwardly playing this but is mentally pretty much occupied with those kinds of issues (aristocratic traits with Ti). Trend is also observable on this forum as well.

So how diffuse are IEEs? EIIs are pretty well anchored to their relations so I doubt it is huge issue for them.

1D Si does not diffuse personality, just bodily experience

Being IEI is much connected to identity search, esp. since they are often e4 and in quest of authenticity.

IEEs ARE THE MOST DIFFUSE TYPE HRGHHH imagine being completely without any cognitive structure in your head and you don't even notice it lmao that's how it's like

EIIs are nowhere near an issue in that regard, since they are ethical integrators they are even more sure about what they are

[Raver]

Alpha - LII - Too serious and calculated compared to the other alphas. At first impression, they do not appear to be motivated by Alpha ideals and they appear to have Delta ideals instead.

Beta - LSI - Like the LII, also too serious and calculated compared to their own quadra. On first impression, beta ideals don't coincide with LSI's need to follow rules and appears to be in sync more with Gamma ideals.

Gamma - SEE - Way too fun loving and comical compared to other Gammas. Gamma ideals almost seem contradictory upon first glance and appear more similar to Betas in behavior.

Delta - IEE - Like the SEE, also too fun loving and comical compared to their own quadra. Delta ideals don't coincide with IEEs on first impression either and they behave similar to Alphas.

Note: These are all surface short term impressions though. Upon closer inspection and long term understanding, their goals and mindset are actually akin to the quadra they belong to.

[The Reality Denialist]

1D Si does not diffuse personality, just bodily experience

Sadomasochism and such might come through unvalued Si.

[The Exception]

Black sheep round two:

Black sheep of alpha- LII
Black sheep of beta- IEI
Black sheep of gamma- SEE
Black sheep of delta- LSE

Which of these four is the most black sheep of them all?

[The Reality Denialist]

So the blackness (yay racism) is just fur deep? Bare naked they are all similar.?!

Round two: SEE

It just varies on basis on how one defines a quadra qualities priority level.

[chrys]

LII-Ti
IEI-Ni
ESI-Fi
IEE-Ne

[Wildelita]

Alpha:LII. Too serious.
Beta: IEI. Too soft, tender and easy-going.
Gamma: ESI. Too idealistic and too Gryffindor.
Delta: IEE. Too childish.

[Delilah]

ILE seems to be the black sheep of the whole socion, seems nearly a consensus