Well I'm pretty sure I'm 4-6-9 sx/sp, I just don't pay much attention to it. I feel like it doesn't explain much past what my Socionics type explains. The two systems overlap too much to provide anything meaningful, and I like Socionics better.Originally Posted by Ghost
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Socionics doesnt say anything about core motivations and fears
Hmm, well if you would like to help then I appreciate it
Maybe I'll be in there later
This isn't Sensing where she talks about music: "I imagine being in another place and being another person."Just based on your questionnaire... i get that impression your inclination to music as a sense of sensation > concept, so perhaps ESI / SEI fits better. It's hard to distinguish between the two as I always picture SEI as less intense (I kind of agree with @Cassandra why she thinks 4s are most likely fit for IEI, ESI and delta NF). Somehow I think some parts of what you are projecting might be clouded by your depression (am i wrong here?), so to properly say which type fits you best is hard. All the best, Ghost.
Fe creative can hide Fe a lot too, like yourself.
OK, don't have time to read the whole thread, but my type guess for OP is IEI. Agree with @phantombride's analysis about beta NF but I see Ni Base>Creative and Ti HA>Ti DS.
True. I didn't see that part before. I think it's added afterwards, which is good. The more she reveals her inner world, the more I believe I'm seeing an intuitive person. IEI > ESI/SEI too.
I believe this itself is clearly Fe ego or strong Fe?Tell me about yourself.
I reinvent myself ever so often, but it's more my image that i reinvent.
Some other:
Perhaps not so much direct correlation but I could see her get along better with an SLE than a LIE.If I can tell you like me and you dont take initiative in any kind of way it turns me off, I want to deal with a confident person who is not afraid to be turned down.
I like when people get jealous and possessive/protective of me.
If this is not a quintessential ESI thread, I don't know what is.
Being interested in Main values etc. = Fi lead
"Do 5, because I said so" = low key Se Creative
Nope. Values are not just the domain of Fi. That tastes a bit like MBTI tbh...
For example Ti can also prioritize things, that's just going to work in a different way.
"Do 5, because I said so" is not really like Se creative, if I must assign it to type/position of Se in the function model, it sounds like provocative Se seeking. I've seen quite some IEIs do this a lot.
Why do you not consider the Beta NF things, I don't get it. Like the stuff phantombride analyzed earlier in post #32.
At some point, a Ni lead is going to say something about the future and bug Ni Polr types.
At some point, a Si lead is going to say something about sensations and bug Si Polr types.
So which is it?
My vote goes to SEI-Si and enneagram 6. Can't provide much more of a rationale.
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Is she really the quintessential ESI?
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I had not seen this when I posted above.Maybe you have to understand that I troll and I'm a very sarcastic person. If you were to talk to me one-on-one or have a serious discussion, you would learn something else. Sometimes things aren't what they seem.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
This article really needs to be rearranged, cleaned up, and shortened before it should be referenced in any type me threads. It is way too easy to misinterpret the information written like this.
That being said, I think Ghost is an Fi ego type.
Why?
Most of what you said seemed to relate to Fi valuing over Fe. You're definitely Se/Ni valuing either way, and either a beta or gamma ethical type, introverted from what you've said and which I agree with. I'm just leaning more towards ESI than IEI right now.
Fi is morals right? I said I'm annoyed at people who are too moralistic...
You have 4D Fi if you are ESI, meaning you go beyond norm of Fi which can be being annoyed/limited by too much morality ?
It's the ethical who are the best to break and create their own ethical rules, logician can break ethical rules but more by ignorance/oversight (otherwise logician prefer a predictable ethical world, because difficulty to respond to unexpected ethical changes).
It goes the same for Ti ego who can feel constrained by logician rules as long as it doesn't fit with their own created set of rules, which implies breaking the unliked rules as long as not caught.
The thing is I'm not a moral person, so i dont see how i can value Fi. If i'm IEI I still have 4D Fi which means I know what it means but I find it annoying since I don't value it. Im not a judgy person, my main way of living is focusing on me and my perception of things, aka Ip type. I definitely do not relate to the Ij temperament.
The only thing that I can see is Fi about me is the like/dislike aka attraction/repulsion which comes naturally with being sx first. The difference is im not judging it on the persons morals, its simply an instinctual attraction/repulsion. Also I dont see how I have Se anywhere as I have major trouble with being sensual and experiencing sensual pleasure, hard getting out of my head and my emotions.
I have met Se people and they are the opposite of me, just enjoying life to the fullest while I'm "trapped" in my world, both physically and mentally.
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Yes from your statements IEI is your best fit
Sorry but it's not quite the same saying "I don't care about logic" / "I'm annoyed about too much logic" as just breaking some rules using your own rules in place.
I just said Ti can feel annoyed/limited/constrained by some rules because of an ability to go beyond norm of Ti, so being able to break some rules consciously.
I was going more off of relations between things and people, which was something that came up in all/most of the questions you answered.
I think between base and creative you'll find some banality. It's probably because it is close contact with demonstrative which is the another's ignoring at the same time and therefore NOT as 'pure'.
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I was drawing the parallel between "I'm annoyed at people who are too moralistic" and between "I'm annoyed about too much logic". The former is to which you tried to draw the parallel of Ti breaking rules, which IMO is not the same.
We can agree a logical rule is supposed to be always true, but applying logical rules can be restraining and annoying sometimes, in some case respecting the rules is non efficient so logically the best move is to break the rule. But if you stay in an absolute logic mode, you miss the opportunity to be more efficient. Wanting too much regulate in a straight line of reasoning produce often a rigid system who isn't working optimally.
^ Acknowledging the minor importance of ignoring.
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Sounds like your Ne creative disliking Ne PoLR.
I do agree tho' that having some flexibility in a system is important in quite some cases, it's just, I'm not bothered by a rigid system either.
Now if it is not mine, I would often easily have a different opinion on things and thus break the rules of this system of someone else's.
But that's not the same as being annoyed by too much logic was my point.
Being annoyed by too much logic can work for Ti ego i think because it can restrain Ne who is looking for more, maybe not with Se ego though.Sounds like your Ne creative disliking Ne PoLR.
I do agree tho' that having some flexibility in a system is important in quite some cases, it's just, I'm not bothered by a rigid system either.
Now if it is not mine, I would often easily have a different opinion on things and thus break the rules of this system of someone else's.
But that's not the same as being annoyed by too much logic was my point.
But yes the parallel isn't working then.
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