Results 1 to 14 of 14

Thread: The suggestive element! Vs PoLR

  1. #1
    Tigerfadder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    844
    Mentioned
    21 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default The suggestive element! Vs PoLR

    The element of love!

    When the person is walking around people, communicating and exchange information or even processing the world around them they fail to metabolize elements with weak dimension. At least that is how I view suggestive! Lets go with weak Se, the person who value the element fail to pick up the pieces and metabolize it. Most of the information go past the person. So when dualizing the dual kind of enlighten the person of all this information, already metabolized by someone who also value it. But how is this different from the PoLR? Why is PoLR like "hitting you in the face" while suggestive is slipping by your consciousness?

  2. #2
    Chae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Germany
    TIM
    IEE-Fi SX/SO 3w4
    Posts
    6,902
    Mentioned
    534 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    The PoLR is weak and unvalued (rejected), so you are not and can not be attuned to it. Also, the HA sort of suppresses it. Example from my IM process: Chae gurl sits in advanced math class (TiNe) not getting anything because she thinks all the equations are redundant and have no purpose except if you want to choose that career. Comparison to biology class (TeSi): Chae really loves learning about the practical things and bodies because it helps her in life, epic win
    My face has changed, my heart is moving
    But my camouflage will hide it



  3. #3
    Tigerfadder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    844
    Mentioned
    21 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    The PoLR is weak and unvalued (rejected), so you are not and can not be attuned to it. Also, the HA sort of suppresses it. Example from my IM process: Chae gurl sits in advanced math class (TiNe) not getting anything because she thinks all the equations are redundant and have no purpose except if you want to choose that career. Comparison to biology class (TeSi): Chae really loves learning about the practical things and bodies because it helps her in life, epic win
    In this case the PoLR should not be viewed as a slap in the face but something that do not interest the person. I seen IEI's say they are indeed interested in what is efficient.

  4. #4
    Chae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Germany
    TIM
    IEE-Fi SX/SO 3w4
    Posts
    6,902
    Mentioned
    534 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerfadder View Post
    In this case the PoLR should not be viewed as a slap in the face but something that do not interest the person. I seen IEI's say they are indeed interested in what is efficient.
    Slap in the face is more of having your ego functions antagonized. The PoLR IE sort of slips by, you can only apply it to yourself as well so it's not a collective effort. It's more of a hassle than sth very crass, unless you are pressured into it so you fail through your valued functions.
    My face has changed, my heart is moving
    But my camouflage will hide it



  5. #5
    Tigerfadder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    844
    Mentioned
    21 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Slap in the face is more of having your ego functions antagonized. The PoLR IE sort of slips by, you can only apply it to yourself as well so it's not a collective effort. It's more of a hassle than sth very crass, unless you are pressured into it so you fail through your valued functions.
    From the past I seen it as something that does not support your hidden agenda therefor you suppress it to highlighten your hidden agenda. tbh I failed to understand most of what you said.

  6. #6
    Chae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Germany
    TIM
    IEE-Fi SX/SO 3w4
    Posts
    6,902
    Mentioned
    534 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerfadder View Post
    From the past I seen it as something that does not support your hidden agenda therefor you suppress it to highlighten your hidden agenda. tbh I failed to understand most of what you said.
    I said exactly what you summarized just with different words. What's your type? We probably had information element/HA-related confusion right now.
    My face has changed, my heart is moving
    But my camouflage will hide it



  7. #7
    Tigerfadder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    844
    Mentioned
    21 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I said exactly what you summarized just with different words. What's your type? We probably had information element/HA-related confusion right now.
    It would not make that big on an impact on the person. What type do you guess? Im open for suggestions!

  8. #8
    Chae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Germany
    TIM
    IEE-Fi SX/SO 3w4
    Posts
    6,902
    Mentioned
    534 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerfadder View Post
    It would not make that big on an impact on the person. What type do you guess? Im open for suggestions!
    NAH! I wanna know the most popular suggestions for you first I didn't observe you properly so far, I want to be aware of the consensus instead.
    My face has changed, my heart is moving
    But my camouflage will hide it



  9. #9
    Schizophyllum commune (uA) Troll Nr 007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    dispersed into the cosmos
    TIM
    H-ILE-Ne 7w6-2w1-1w9
    Posts
    1,695
    Mentioned
    57 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    PoLR is conscious function. You know that you might cross boundaries with it anytime. It probably causes some anxiety.

    Many valuers see as essential component in your ethical realm. For me it is not as I operate on systemic level of understanding thinking cause and effect. I'm actually pretty level headed with my actions. People can trust in me. If there is rule in place I'm going to respect it. There can be certain actions where I can juggle around. Right or wrong? Depends on a judge. In this realm it is important that others acknowledge how that certain person works.

    OTOH if someone wants certain kind of treatment/response it is probably a dead end since you want to put creative in there.
    Enneagram 3 blindspot. Visual deficits in 4, 8. Triple instinctual blindspot.

  10. #10
    megedy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    TIM
    EII 9w1
    Posts
    3
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    In order to access your PoLR, you must first switch to your role function. Information must go through your weak role function before reaching your much weaker PoLR. Because of this filter, others can not influence your PoLR directly. This is part of why criticism to your PoLR is so painful. You know that you're not good at using it, it takes a considerable amount of effort to change it, and you would prefer to altogether avoid using it.

    On the contrary, your suggestive function is much more exposed. There are no similar barriers for information to cross, so it can be influenced directly by others. Because it compliments your base function, you actively seek information to stimulate it. Like the PoLR, you're aware that you don't use it well. But rather than being an effort to access, it feels more like a personal ideal that you're striving towards.
    "I do so dearly believe that no half-heartedness and no worldly fear must turn us aside from following the light unflinchingly." -JRR Tolkein

    INFj 9w1

  11. #11
    Breaking stereotypes Suz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    On a chatbox diet
    TIM
    IDK
    Posts
    6,460
    Mentioned
    166 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    My understanding is that the POLR being a conscious unvalued function is something that we are well aware of, weak in, and because we dont value it, get irritated by others' expectations of value for it and their judgement of us being weak at it.

    The hidden agenda is instead an unconscious function, which we do value, but because it's unconscious, we dont realize our weakness in it.

    I could be totally off about this.
    Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx

  12. #12
    Pookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    TIM
    IEI-Ni 6w5-9-2 So/Sx
    Posts
    2,068
    Mentioned
    86 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Contact/Inert I believe
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

  13. #13
    Tigerfadder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    844
    Mentioned
    21 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by megedy View Post
    In order to access your PoLR, you must first switch to your role function. Information must go through your weak role function before reaching your much weaker PoLR. Because of this filter, others can not influence your PoLR directly. This is part of why criticism to your PoLR is so painful. You know that you're not good at using it, it takes a considerable amount of effort to change it, and you would prefer to altogether avoid using it.

    On the contrary, your suggestive function is much more exposed. There are no similar barriers for information to cross, so it can be influenced directly by others. Because it compliments your base function, you actively seek information to stimulate it. Like the PoLR, you're aware that you don't use it well. But rather than being an effort to access, it feels more like a personal ideal that you're striving towards.
    Why is PoLR protected by role in that way? Your conflictor does have both your role and PoLR in their ego, how does that play out?

  14. #14
    Syynth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Location
    Deseret
    TIM
    INTj-Ti
    Posts
    111
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Contact/Inert I believe
    Something that I have observed about the contact and inert subtypes, is that the contact subtype is primarily focused on seeking stimulation for their suggestive function. This primarily manifests in them being attracted to people who have that function in their ego block. They are aware of their weak polr, but they are content to avoid using it whenever possible.

    The inert subtype is more concerned with shielding their polr. This can manifest in them trying to use it as a pseudo creative with their program function. They still don't value their polr, but they are more active in trying to address and or cover up the insecurities that it causes.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •