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    If you could be any type, which would it be?

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    EIE!!!!!!

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    LSI 8.

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    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ld-be-any-type

    I think I said SLE or EIE in that thread but later deleted it because I choose none.

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    I would like to try out to be a male e8 so/sp SLE or LIE as these are the only sociotypes which seem to fit organically with e8. So/sp because this is the heartbreaker stacking. I am just a broken fading flower, call me poppy.

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    I have this lingering envy of sp/sx girls and how cat like and mysterious they seem to be. So i would be sp/sx. And a 7 fix would be cool. But wouldnt change my core type. Maybe to 3w2 subwing instead of 5w4 so i would feel less like an alien.

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    SLE 8w9 Sx/So.
    "The ENFp outlaw lives in the world of "chaos" meaning that he doesn't get surprised by the mayhem he causes or has to deal with in order to accomplish the goal of staying alive. Unlike the strong Si types who notice every tiny detail of pre-conceived madness, he will quite happily do whatever his experimental intuition dictates to survive even if he has to use himself as a "guinea pig" in the process. [...] Strong Ne types like the ENFp outlaw tend to make serendipitous discoveries like finding a creative way of defying death where others would have died if they stuck to "the rules". The long range vision of Ne with a drug-induced short-range Si tactical foreplay reveals the true nature of one's methodical madness i.e. using chaos to stabilize the chaos." x



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    This is interesting...so far it looks like Se types are favored. I would pick iei, IEE or EIE because I want intuition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrowsofyoungwerther View Post
    This is interesting...so far it looks like Se types are favored.
    This is usually the case when people ask this question, for whatever reason.

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    I would like to be an extroverted version of myself, or alternatively, I would like to be my dual with the caveat that I retain all my previous experiences. I may place a higher value on continuing to have the essence of my personality but without any of the flaws I have (not necessarily flaws that are representative of my type).
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    This is usually the case when people ask this question, for whatever reason.
    I have a couple of theories about this.

    1. People associate with Se base with confidence, strength, and accomplishing alot of great things. The positive of Se seems to be more emphasized than the negative side of it. Going into things too impulsively, too crude, too aggressive. Perhaps there is cultural influence here but in the United States, but the positive qualities are very much prized.

    2. People want what they perceive they lack in themselves. On a socionics group, you probably get a greater proportion of INXx types than in the real world. Socionics after all is a theory- its likely to attract more intuitive types. Also it requires alot of self-reflection and the interaction here is over the Internet, not in the real world. So more introversion. And all INXx types have weak, 1-D Se.

    Yes, I would also choose SLE or SEE for myself. I just feel that Se PoLR can be a real pain sometimes. I would like more confidence, more of the just get in there and do it quality.

    For non-Se ego types, I'd probably pick ILE or IEE. I like the Ne base alot and these types don't have PoLR Se either.





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    In general:
    ILI-Te So/Sp.

    Why? I can keep my , be more productive and accepted in career situations (my PoLR is typically looked down upon in a way), and climb the social ladder.

    Other than that:
    SEE 3w4 Sx/Sp (396) or
    ESI 9w8 So/Sx (946).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    8w9 Sx/So
    lol why

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    SLE 8w9 Sx/So.


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    I would be annoyed if my hard work to understand and untangle my current weaknesses was thrown away and I had to start all over again. Better the devil you know. Besides I rather like myself.

    That being said, some sort of 3/7/8 could be a nice change of pace.
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    For enneagram I would probably pick 7w8 or 8w7 sp/sx/so





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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post


    Lmao, he's my ideal type incarnate? The funny thing is, I used to watch a lot of his videos
    "The ENFp outlaw lives in the world of "chaos" meaning that he doesn't get surprised by the mayhem he causes or has to deal with in order to accomplish the goal of staying alive. Unlike the strong Si types who notice every tiny detail of pre-conceived madness, he will quite happily do whatever his experimental intuition dictates to survive even if he has to use himself as a "guinea pig" in the process. [...] Strong Ne types like the ENFp outlaw tend to make serendipitous discoveries like finding a creative way of defying death where others would have died if they stuck to "the rules". The long range vision of Ne with a drug-induced short-range Si tactical foreplay reveals the true nature of one's methodical madness i.e. using chaos to stabilize the chaos." x



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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    lol why
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    "The ENFp outlaw lives in the world of "chaos" meaning that he doesn't get surprised by the mayhem he causes or has to deal with in order to accomplish the goal of staying alive. Unlike the strong Si types who notice every tiny detail of pre-conceived madness, he will quite happily do whatever his experimental intuition dictates to survive even if he has to use himself as a "guinea pig" in the process. [...] Strong Ne types like the ENFp outlaw tend to make serendipitous discoveries like finding a creative way of defying death where others would have died if they stuck to "the rules". The long range vision of Ne with a drug-induced short-range Si tactical foreplay reveals the true nature of one's methodical madness i.e. using chaos to stabilize the chaos." x



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    Not a person with Se or Fi in their ego. Just because I'm biased and conscious of those IE shortcomings while having bit hard seeing true positive side in them. '

    If it would be short only for reasonably limited time – then why not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuccessfull Alphamale View Post
    Not a person with Se or Fi in their ego. Just because I'm biased and conscious of those IE shortcomings while having bit hard seeing true positive side in them. '

    If it would be short only for reasonably limited time – then why not.


    Permanent change with no coming back or ability to shuffle through every possible options?
    I really don't want to be anyone besides who I am at all TBH. That's why I made the jokey post about how I'd be Batman, because I just can't seriously think about who I'd be since I really don't want to be someone else and I don't think it's actually logically consistent to change types. But you really don't like the idea of being ego unlike all these weak INxxs most people here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrowsofyoungwerther View Post
    This is interesting...so far it looks like Se types are favored. I would pick iei, IEE or EIE because I want intuition.
    Well, if you want , which is the more really "perceiving" one, IEE is not the way to go since that's more about generating possibilities. If you want both intuitions xIx (rational intuitives, basically) are strong in both, especially with a contact/producing/"creative" subtype. Ixx are adept in both but they sort of actively ignore the devalued one unless it's necessary, while xIx will actively use the other, sometimes even all the time, but as a means to an end rather than an end itself.

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    Si lead. SEI>SLI


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuma View Post
    Si lead. SEI>SLI
    It is good to want to be yourself.

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    I wouldn't mind trying out an SLE persona for some time. Also, having IEI's as duals would be nice.

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    EIE 4w3 sx/so 478 tritype



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Lmao, he's my ideal type incarnate? The funny thing is, I used to watch a lot of his videos
    Pretty sure the SuperEgo relation overrides this duality.


    I agree with a good 66% of what his videos said, minus the parts where he started bitching about "muh moral degeneracy" and whatnot. Let me tell you, the archives of his stuff aren't nearly big enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    lol why
    Because this type is superior in every way. At least the 8w9 part. sx/sp > sx/so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alioth View Post
    Pretty sure the SuperEgo relation overrides this duality.


    I agree with a good 66% of what his videos said, minus the parts where he started bitching about "muh moral degeneracy" and whatnot. Let me tell you, the archives of his stuff aren't nearly big enough.


    Because this type is superior in every way. At least the 8w9 part. sx/sp > sx/so.

    100% agreed. He was very informative, the "spiritual"(?) stuff going on was another thing. His type comparisons were on point, I wish he would've done more on enneagram and instincts, there wasn't much, just the humorous skits

    Mh... sx/sp has greater superiority in a sense of not caring about social norms that much, it's self-ordained independence, freedom. I chose Sx/So because superiority depends on rank (which SLE is the master of) within a social context, sp gets taken care of by the sensing base (they may be Si ignoring but anyway). The point was broader impact. I pondered a lot about the wing but 9 seemed more reasonable, it lends greater focus and willingness to sacrifice which caters to Sx. All in all, SLE-Se 8 Sx is the #1 typological powerhouse in every regard, the 4D Fe types are the runner-ups imo I know two guys of that type, they come on so strong and just do their thing, it's fantastic.
    "The ENFp outlaw lives in the world of "chaos" meaning that he doesn't get surprised by the mayhem he causes or has to deal with in order to accomplish the goal of staying alive. Unlike the strong Si types who notice every tiny detail of pre-conceived madness, he will quite happily do whatever his experimental intuition dictates to survive even if he has to use himself as a "guinea pig" in the process. [...] Strong Ne types like the ENFp outlaw tend to make serendipitous discoveries like finding a creative way of defying death where others would have died if they stuck to "the rules". The long range vision of Ne with a drug-induced short-range Si tactical foreplay reveals the true nature of one's methodical madness i.e. using chaos to stabilize the chaos." x



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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbrannte View Post
    But you really don't like the idea of being ego unlike all these weak INxxs most people here?


    Quote Originally Posted by Persephone View Post
    It is good to want to be yourself.
    Honestly I do love being LII. I believe each type gives expression to something very profound and necessary. We each have all of the types within us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alioth View Post
    Pretty sure the SuperEgo relation overrides this duality.


    I agree with a good 66% of what his videos said, minus the parts where he started bitching about "muh moral degeneracy" and whatnot. Let me tell you, the archives of his stuff aren't nearly big enough.


    Because this type is superior in every way. At least the 8w9 part. sx/sp > sx/so.
    Being 8w9 sx/so is not superior. It's actually really bad. For many reasons. (I am an 8w9 sx/so which is why I asked.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    Being 8w9 sx/so is not superior. It's actually really bad. For many reasons. (I am an 8w9 sx/so which is why I asked.)
    Can you elaborate how? It's a thing of perspective so please enlighten us
    "The ENFp outlaw lives in the world of "chaos" meaning that he doesn't get surprised by the mayhem he causes or has to deal with in order to accomplish the goal of staying alive. Unlike the strong Si types who notice every tiny detail of pre-conceived madness, he will quite happily do whatever his experimental intuition dictates to survive even if he has to use himself as a "guinea pig" in the process. [...] Strong Ne types like the ENFp outlaw tend to make serendipitous discoveries like finding a creative way of defying death where others would have died if they stuck to "the rules". The long range vision of Ne with a drug-induced short-range Si tactical foreplay reveals the true nature of one's methodical madness i.e. using chaos to stabilize the chaos." x



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Can you elaborate how? It's a thing of perspective so please enlighten us
    Enneagram Eight usually comes from a position of some kind of deep feeling of betrayal, or neglect or abuse -- either real or perceived, from childhood. Therefore Enneagram Eights prefer to conceal weaknesses and vulnerabilities. I rarely trust anybody enough to talk to them about my childhood experiences as they relate to enneagram, and I would more than likely never post them publicly on this forum. Eight also associates with Anger (linked to its formative experiences) which is perhaps the most physically destructive emotion. So yeah I wouldn't "want" to be an Enneagram Eight. You don't choose, though. And it's a bit frustrating when people on the internet are like, either;

    (a) E8 is the coolest type! If you call being fucked up from things you experienced in your childhood so you find it hard to emotionally connect with the world, sure.

    (b) People just want to be E8 to be cool! Yeah ok. This is the one of the most idiotic things I see parroted about on typology forums.

    Just to be sure, I am not angry at you or this thread, I am only throwing out my perspective. All Enneagrams "start" from a bad position, but I think Eight is possibly the worst (or one of the worst) types to be. Could be a grass-greener problem. (!)

    As for sxl/soc. I think it's a really ironic type to be because to achieve sxl/soc goals, you actually want some self-pres direction, but it's in your blindspot. And depending on the type of person you are, the sxl and soc stuff might actually interfere with one another with a poor self-pres to balance it out.

    Also, mixing Eight with sxl can be dangerous. sxl is often looking for the highest intensity possible in a scenario, and if you combine this weight Eight Lust then you can come into some bad situations. I have been in some situations where I nearly died, or nearly got into some real trouble because of it. See:

    Summary of SX instinct
    primary concern - intense experiences, connections, and contacts, wide-ranging and exploratory, in order to find something to "complete" them inside (sky diving, deep conversations, exciting movies)
    primary focus - people and attractions promising intense energy and charge
    primary ambition - looking outside themselves for the person or situation that will complete them, and then obsessing over that completing element
    primary stresses - lack of intense mental or emotional stimulation, lack of an intense connection or experience
    coping methods (unhealthy) - scattered attention, lack of focus, sexual promiscuity, intensely avoiding intense experiences and connections with a fearful and dysfunctional attitude toward sex, intimacy, and other intense "completing" experiences, as is skewed by the secondary instinct

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    It is not hard to see how mixing these two things can be bad for you. I am recently contemplating that I might be 8w7, though (altho I am more set on 8w9.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    Being 8w9 sx/so is not superior. It's actually really bad. For many reasons. (I am an 8w9 sx/so which is why I asked.)
    Well it's certainly better than being a pussy bitch with a deep-seated inner desire to kill shit but too much cowardice and lack of volitional strength to ever act upon these desires. Hiding all weakness is better than an inability to hide any weakness at all. And destructive anger that alienates people is better than genuinely intense but outwardly spastic anger that only makes you look retarded and even weaker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    Enneagram Eight usually comes from a position of some kind of deep feeling of betrayal, or neglect or abuse -- either real or perceived, from childhood. Therefore Enneagram Eights prefer to conceal weaknesses and vulnerabilities. I rarely trust anybody enough to talk to them about my childhood experiences as they relate to enneagram, and I would more than likely never post them publicly on this forum. Eight also associates with Anger (linked to its formative experiences) which is perhaps the most physically destructive emotion. So yeah I wouldn't "want" to be an Enneagram Eight. You don't choose, though. And it's a bit frustrating when people on the internet are like, either;

    (a) E8 is the coolest type! If you call being fucked up from things you experienced in your childhood so you find it hard to emotionally connect with the world, sure.

    (b) People just want to be E8 to be cool! Yeah ok. This is
    the one of the most idiotic things I see parroted about on typology forums.

    Just to be sure, I am not angry at you or this thread, I am only throwing out my perspective. All Enneagrams "start" from a bad position, but I think Eight is possibly the worst (or one of the worst) types to be. Could be a grass-greener problem. (!)

    As for sxl/soc. I think it's a really ironic type to be because to achieve sxl/soc goals, you actually want some self-pres direction, but it's in your blindspot. And depending on the type of person you are, the sxl and soc stuff might actually interfere with one another with a poor self-pres to balance it out.

    Also, mixing Eight with sxl can be dangerous. sxl is often looking for the highest intensity possible in a scenario, and if you combine this weight Eight Lust then you can come into some bad situations. I have been in some situations where I nearly died, or nearly got into some real trouble because of it. See:

    Summary of SX instinct
    primary concern - intense experiences, connections, and contacts, wide-ranging and exploratory, in order to find something to "complete" them inside (sky diving, deep conversations, exciting movies)
    primary focus - people and attractions promising intense energy and charge
    primary ambition - looking outside themselves for the person or situation that will complete them, and then obsessing over that completing element
    primary stresses - lack of intense mental or emotional stimulation, lack of an intense connection or experience
    coping methods (unhealthy) - scattered attention, lack of focus, sexual promiscuity, intensely avoiding intense experiences and connections with a fearful and dysfunctional attitude toward sex, intimacy, and other intense "completing" experiences, as is skewed by the secondary instinct

    Lust
    You have a lust for life and want to experience everything to the fullest. You believe that ‘too much of a good thing is almost enough’. Your vice is excess and going to extremes. Whatever you like, you want more of and whatever you do, you overdo at full speed. Quick to respond, you can over react and come on too strong. You can be too much, too intense, and unwilling to self-limit.

    It is not hard to see how mixing these two things can be bad for you. I am recently contemplating that I might be 8w7, though (altho I am more set on 8w9.)

    That bolded part Thanks a lot totalize, everything on point. What I saw in SLE Sx 8 when selecting was their potential for the positive. We're dealing with the enneagram so it's basically picking one out of 9 fuck-ups as you say. Each one's bad in their own way (You want to lose your identity? Self-worth? Sanity? You want to rip your heart and eyes out, peel off your skin and face mentally, day by day? You want to wreck yourself until you're standing in your coffin with one foot, completely empty? You want to leave your body and kick it until it's bleeding out? You want to feel ashamed for being alive? Come to 3w4 sx and enjoy it! As I said - perspective. To each their heavy cross), /unless/ we consider the integrated version so I want to add that. If we have 8 with the aid of e2 there is a silver lining. Just like 3w4 with the aid of 6. Sx and lust is largely problematic in that very same context, you said it well. I think the point is considering the ideal and actual version of enneagram/stacking combination in their state of health here And I see, why do you consider the 7-wing?
    "The ENFp outlaw lives in the world of "chaos" meaning that he doesn't get surprised by the mayhem he causes or has to deal with in order to accomplish the goal of staying alive. Unlike the strong Si types who notice every tiny detail of pre-conceived madness, he will quite happily do whatever his experimental intuition dictates to survive even if he has to use himself as a "guinea pig" in the process. [...] Strong Ne types like the ENFp outlaw tend to make serendipitous discoveries like finding a creative way of defying death where others would have died if they stuck to "the rules". The long range vision of Ne with a drug-induced short-range Si tactical foreplay reveals the true nature of one's methodical madness i.e. using chaos to stabilize the chaos." x



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    That bolded part Thanks a lot totalize, everything on point. What I saw in SLE Sx 8 when selecting was their potential for the positive. We're dealing with the enneagram so it's basically picking one out of 9 fuck-ups as you say. Each one's bad in their own way (You want to lose your identity? Self-worth? Sanity? You want to rip your heart and eyes out, peel off your skin and face mentally, day by day? You want to wreck yourself until you're standing in your coffin with one foot, completely empty? You want to leave your body and kick it until it's bleeding out? You want to feel ashamed for being alive? Come to 3w4 sx and enjoy it! As I said - perspective. To each their heavy cross), /unless/ we consider the integrated version so I want to add that. If we have 8 with the aid of e2 there is a silver lining. Just like 3w4 with the aid of 6. Sx and lust is largely problematic in that very same context, you said it well. I think the point is considering the ideal and actual version of enneagram/stacking combination in their state of health here And I see, why do you consider the 7-wing?
    SLE 8 sx/so is probably even more dangerous than other 8 sx/so.

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    If I could be any type, I would probably choose to be ILI, ILE, IEI, or SLI. I've known lots of SEIs, SEEs, and SLEs. I have known some really attractive IEEs. Maybe if I were one of those types, maybe I would have already found a stable dual partner. >.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    SLE 8 sx/so is probably even more dangerous than other 8 sx/so.
    Yeah, count in cp 6 Sx/So or So/Sp.
    "The ENFp outlaw lives in the world of "chaos" meaning that he doesn't get surprised by the mayhem he causes or has to deal with in order to accomplish the goal of staying alive. Unlike the strong Si types who notice every tiny detail of pre-conceived madness, he will quite happily do whatever his experimental intuition dictates to survive even if he has to use himself as a "guinea pig" in the process. [...] Strong Ne types like the ENFp outlaw tend to make serendipitous discoveries like finding a creative way of defying death where others would have died if they stuck to "the rules". The long range vision of Ne with a drug-induced short-range Si tactical foreplay reveals the true nature of one's methodical madness i.e. using chaos to stabilize the chaos." x



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    sx/sp 6 is THE most volatile type.

    And please guys stop saying sx is "intense experiences". That's too general and can apply to many who aren't sx firsts. Sx is sexual, sexual and sexual.

    (SX): Besides the hunger for sex itself, this is the ‘need for heat’, the hunt for ‘electrical juice’, risky excitement and fevered decadence as a narcotic, pushing the envelope, the edge, seeking that peak something, simultaneously exposing oneself to total self-destruction. Also, ‘the World as a mating dance’, the compulsion to broadcast beautiful attractive ‘colors’, casting a net (or a pheromone) out for that special someone to complete an electrical circuit, a nose for the individualized scent of the soul we long to burn our imprint into, and they into ours. Chemistry, not intimacy. Involuntary attraction and repulsion. Archetypally, this Instinct rules the alchemical processes, transformation/transmogrification, base metals into gold, phoenix rising from the ashes, the wild-eyed shaman whirling in fire and blood and radical rebirth. Some authors have sought to tame this Instinct with new names, such as Intimate or one-to-one, butany attempt at reworking the Instinct into something wholesome/spiritual/romantic misses the mark: the Sexual Instinct is raw unbridled wanting, untethered by ethics/morality. Recklessness. A live wire longing to burn…and be burned to death. The classical image of Eros’s arrow (erotic attraction) shot through the heart accurately alludes to the danger here: potential ruin and destruction under the guise of Love.
    http://enneasite.com/instinctual-variants/

    Also read this:
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