The Socionics Cycle of the Forum

[DirectorAbbie]

I was just discussing the forum with Brilliand, and I mentioned that we were now low on Alphas (even with an Alpha owner), whereas in his day there were many Alphas and much theorizing. He suggested that the forum was going downhill, and I agreed, "Always going downhill, never reaching bottom." Because it's been "going downhill" for several years but doesn't change much as far as I see. Then Brilliand mentioned this:

Alphas discover.
Betas fight over.
Gammas make use of.
Deltas enjoy.

The age of the Alphas was the age of theorizing. Ideas kept being offered. Some were interesting, some were dumb, some were unnecessarily complicated. But the theory side of the theory blossomed.

I agreed that the age of Alphas was over. Brilliand figured that meant we were in the age of Betas now. But I proclaimed, "We're in the age of Gammas!" Because from what I see, the most common forumites are Gamma. And it didn't used to be that way. But Brilliand remembered the Age of Betas.

The age of the Betas was the age of conflict. Fighting. Drama. Remember that? It wasn't too long ago. Yes, there's still drama. There always has been. But I'm thinking of the time when people were heading up rebellions. There were factions.

The Age of the Gammas is what we have now. People aren't adding to the theory, and the fighting has died down. Now people are taking the theory and considering what can be made from it. Some charts? A new online test? A roleplay? We will see what comes out of the Age of Gammas.

So when most of the forumites are Delta, you'll know the forum is truly dying. ...or maybe the cycle will be renewed.

[Grendel]

Now all these memories will be lost...like tears in rain.


Time to die.

[Raver]

I've been through the beginning from alpha to beta to gamma. Alpha stage was the stage where people actually cared about Socionics and the beta stage was when there is always some new explosive drama going on for the week. The gamma stage is pretty chill, which is hard to complain about.

[Exodus]

You may have something there with the general atmosphere of the forum. But I don't agree that "the most common forumites are Gamma." The plurality is Beta, and this is possibly even more true now than it used to be. We see a consistent pattern of intuitive types, and more often Ti valuers, being the predominant demographic in socionics forums, with a smattering of other types. Some Delta NFs, some SEIs, some Gamma NTs (less than you might expect), some Se egos (more than you might expect), hardly any LSEs, ESEs, or SLIs.

[Persephone]

LSEs and ESEs have a lot of stuff to fit into a day and SLIs are on the couch, taking a nap. I don't think there are that many betas over here, alpha quadra is more significant somehow.

[Chae]

Going merely by the quadra thread stats, Beta prevalence is still suggested - or are the Gamma types simply less redundant? Delta has the most posts in general, that doesn't make any sense

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@Raver - what kind of chill though? (I'm playing devil's advocate here)

[Raver]

Going merely by the quadra thread stats, Beta prevalence is still suggested - or are the Gamma types simply less redundant? Delta has the most posts in general, that doesn't make any sense

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@Raver - what kind of chill though? (I'm playing devil's advocate here)

There's very little drama in this forum compared to the past generally speaking. There's not as much hostility towards specific forum members. Don't get me wrong, there's still some, but it's minute nowadays compared to how it used to be.

[Chae]

There's very little drama in this forum compared to the past generally speaking. There's not as much hostility towards specific forum members. Don't get me wrong, there's still some, but it's minute nowadays compared to how it used to be.

Ahh, well that's superb.

[strangeling]

Isn't that just a natural cycle of thought though?

You get a new area of study, so people come up with lots of ideas to examine. People are going to argue and fight for their ideas, until the better ideas are generally accepted, occam's razor and all that. After that, there's not much left to argue about; people are just going to use what brings the most clarity. Don't all types do this? But yeah, I guess if group thought was typed into an overall quadra, this cycle makes sense. But I don't see how it would represent a demographic of types.

my opinion or whatever.

[Exodus]

Isn't that just a natural cycle of thought though?

You get a new area of study, so people come up with lots of ideas to examine. People are going to argue and fight for their ideas, until the better ideas are generally accepted, occam's razor and all that.

I wish that happened in socionics.

[Neokortex]

Don't know what was like before me but I sure do feel it's in some kind of really deep pit right now.

[summerprincess]

This forum is super dramatic at least imo. People don't seem to be able to be involved in a level headed discussion without getting insulted or offended about something. Not going to name any names but I can think of a few needlessly dramatic people who have arbitrarily decided not to like me . shrugs

[ashlesha]

lol, the complaints in this particular thread are so ironically amusing to me, because it makes me think that the more things change the more they really stay the same. <3

[strangeling]

I wish that happened in socionics.

imo, it does with long-time members that don't mind constantly refining their understanding of things. But I guess if you include everyone, then you're right. Oh well whatever.

[The Exception]

lol, the complaints in this particular thread are so ironically amusing to me, because it makes me think that the more things change the more they really stay the same. <3

One arrogant jerk is replaced with a different arrogant jerk.

[theum nathair]

Going merely by the quadra thread stats, Beta prevalence is still suggested - or are the Gamma types simply less redundant? Delta has the most posts in general, that doesn't make any sense

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being both decisive (Se-valuing creates a steeper slope) and democratic, gamma types would have the least group unity and the lowest sense of group loyalty. Those who are quite infatuated with 'being gamma' tend to come over as mistyped betas, on balance

Se-valuers also tend to be a bit less discursive; these two solid conclusions should explain the thread and viewing statistics despite a fair quantity of gamma forumites in 2016

[Sol]

Forums are used mainly for noobs flood and their naive types talks. Also noobs rarely are able to understand what is said to them due to lack of competence, when there are those who knows something, understands and says useful.
Who is interested in types and not in flooding have small interest in Internet talkings. It's rare when people with an experience in types use forums.

Linking of things alike new ideas about types with quadra values is funny.
It can be linked with T types to some degree. Which are interested in a knowledge more than in a chating.
Among evident criterions - look in what themes a human posts more, is it about types or other. People of F types, more often than Ts, mainly and sometimes with high overweight post not about types on typology forums. Even may whine to forbid to say opinions about types on typology sites, when those are not emotionally pleasant for them by any reason.

[necrosebud]

Forums are used mainly for noobs flood and their naive types talks. Also noobs rarely are able to understand what is said to them due to lack of competence, when there are those who knows something, understands and says useful.
Who is interested in types and not in flooding have small interest in Internet talkings.

^^^

[Expansion]

Stasis 'till sudden death.