Opposite Quadra Battles - Movie Examples

[Chae]

This seems to be a common way of creating conflict in a plot, letting opposite quadras clash.
I'm curious about everyone's examples - please write a short description, but as a spoiler

I'll start, Delta VS Beta: Mad Max - Fury Road (2015).

Se/Ti rebellion versus Si/Te conservativism. Beta characters fight against the absolutistic regime of an LSE (Immortan Joe) who has seized the monopoly on water and other rescources to subjugate the masses. By abducting one of these resources, female slaves, Beta manages to lure out and kill the Delta patriarch, also defeating his elite army. They then return to establish a new order and sovereign.

[lynn]

oh yes, mad max is super beta. the movie is also a clear example of syn-flow (max, furiosa, the wives, etc...) vs contra-flow ...

[Muddy]

I think the original star wars trilogy might be Beta vs Delta, the Empire being LSI and the rebellion being IEE.

[Exodus]

Honestly, the way I see it is that people view everyone as implicitly having the same quadra values as them. So people who act as opposing quadra members do are more likely seen as weird/crazy rather than actual enemies to oppose. Most actual fighting occurs between valuers (even Beta vs. Beta or Gamma vs. Gamma), and it appears to be the same in fiction.

[Chae]

Honestly, the way I see it is that people view everyone as implicitly having the same quadra values as them. So people who act as opposing quadra members do are more likely seen as weird/crazy rather than actual enemies to oppose. Most actual fighting occurs between valuers (even Beta vs. Beta or Gamma vs. Gamma), and it appears to be the same in fiction.

Interesting observation, can you list some examples?

[Exodus]

Interesting observation, can you list some examples?

Take for example The Matrix. It's a typical Beta story of good vs. evil, the underdog vs "the system." But "the system" is also essentially a construct, Agent Smith is sort of an LSI archetype. You see this pattern a lot in Beta thinking: there is the dominant system and then there are people who rebel against the system. But it's always about the system.

[Chae]

oh yes, mad max is super beta. the movie is also a clear example of syn-flow (max, furiosa, the wives, etc...) vs contra-flow ...

!!! That's a good way to see it. The overall synflow vibe is big on self-pres. Miller's "show don't tell" concept in the dialogues also strikes me as such. On top of that, the main topics align: gas, vehicles, shelter, controlling human resources like milk/blood/water, survival, ownership, pregnancy, desertification, weapons, racing.

[flames]

how'd u kno this my fav movie

[flames]

But ya, Joe is LSE, Max is LSI, Furiosa is something gamma I think LIE, Nux SLE, Rictus SLE, Splendid EIE?, Toast LSI, The Dag maybe SEE or something, Fragile Fe-ego, got nothing for the rest

Immortan is LSE but his whole army is pretty much Beta

[Chae]

how'd u kno this my fav movie

skillz

[ignition]

Se/Ti rebellion versus Si/Te conservativism. Beta characters fight against the absolutistic regime of an LSE (Immortan Joe) who has seized the monopoly on water and other rescources to subjugate the masses. By abducting one of these resources, female slaves, Beta manages to lure out and kill the Delta patriarch, also defeating his elite army. They then return to establish a new order and sovereign.

Si/Te conservatism looks more like Leave it to Beaver.
Building a conquering desert death cult is one of the least conservative (in that sense) ways you can possibly lead a society.

I'd agree with folks upthread that Joe's Warboyz are a heavily Beta society:
comfortable with struggle conflict, thrill-seeking
highly emotive, collectivist
powerful shared mythos
deliberately inefficient whenever it looks cool to do so


Gaia's Biker Gang is pretty Delta:
prudently avoids bad dudes for years, relatively non-vengeful
focused on plain, practical survival
try to preserve what they can from their old society

Of course, I have to agree with the folks upthread that the real conflict is Beta Joe vs. Beta Furiosa.
The Deltas, grandma bikers and arguably Max, end up getting involved but don't actually drive the conflict.

[Bertrand]

yeah I feel like mad max is mostly beta v beta

[mclane]

I would list here The Matrix series of movies, which consist mostly of Fi valuing types fighting a Ti system (the matrix). There is just one Ti type among the hero group in the first movie, and he turns out to be a traitor (Cypher - LSI-Se).