It's interesting being away from the forum, then returning, because each time I come back there appears to be drift in people's collective perceptions of type, as well as a different new subtyping system that people rely on to explain why the 16 discrete types don't seem to categorize everyone.
Right now the trend seems to be that people can be typed a type even if they don't manifest the ego functions of that type.
Exeunt.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Some methods of typing require more work than others.Originally Posted by golden
Not sure. Otoh he seems to value making an impact ().
His ideas are random and crazy but this could be because he is a creative subtype.
I don't think C-LIE is too far off.
seems unreal
Ok, the correct term has to be then... multi-layered socionics type... maybe?
Google Translator is my friend now... Now I can read the text of the linked website.
One thing that seems strange to me:
How can anybody have a strong valued cognitive function in the profile which is the PoLR function of the core?
that caption of "THIS IS EPIC" video is truly epic btw, his face <3 looks like the caterpillar from Alice in Wonderland
What is it with proactive posters and animal avatars?
good example of demonstrative sensing I think
Never underestimate the perceptive powers of an ESI.
However, you don't really know what she thinks. Maybe she just likes goats.
Have not been here in some time, but had to find out what people were thinking on Elon Musk. Watched most of a recent Joe Rogan interview......Rogan was goading him a bit with Beta type of Fe, Elon wasn't feeling all of it. Found out later Elon was bullied terribly as a kid. First guess is LIE, but to me he just seems more introverted, so ILI. Has the Ni gaze.....and clearly gamma Fi values vs beta Fe values.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
That's funny, because I watched that Rogan video too and thought Musk came across as ILE. I kept laughing at the blatant (imo) NiSe vs NeSi in the conversation between them. Musk seems so Ne to me. Guess it shows how different people's perspectives can be on the same person for whatever reason.
Edit: Reading thread from bottom up, and I suppose it's possible he's somehow faking ILE. . .but idk, I think he's most likely just another variety of ILE.
i liked how he kept saying ''we dug a big pit'' (for the hyperloop proof of concept or sth) at his interview with joe rogan
RJ repeating ''...for other people'' at 10:10. also, 12:02 pointing out ''franticness''.
Seems that JR is reading into something. it's not an equal-to-equal interview. Elon is sitting there waiting to be told what a smart boy he is?
Similar NT to Christopher Hitchens.
The Rogan interview left me feeling uneasy.
Something supremely off about him these days. Not the Elon I used to see a couple years ago. Almost haunted.
You know that the SEC made him quit his job as chairman of Tesla because of his reckless tweets? He's evidently not listening closely enough to his advisors.
Or, maybe he switched breakfast cereals. Who knows? Stuff happens.
I read it was stunt to buy back the shares at a lower cost, which he did.
What I am saying is different. Usually he is so chatty. In this he almost seemed on edged. Awkward. Like he was just coming off a week long drug binge, or something equally as psychologically traumatic.
Don't know hard to explain.
There was a electric charge station out on a remote highway here, recently built this summer.
I am starting to think he's an unhealthy Ni-LIE that is letting hisPoLR get the best of him. I remember reading about his work schedule and it was insane. The man is a multi-billionaire and he never gives himself any rest or leisure and is a complete workaholic that gets little sleep. Of course it's going to slowly degrade him mentally over time. I know he's highly motivated to achieve his dreams, but the man seriously needs to relax and take a hiatus for as long as he needs.
He's not going to achieve much if his mental state degrades because he can't take care of his basic needs. This is one of the reasons I don't think he's LSI. LSI's have 4D
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
That's LIE in a nutshell.I am starting to think he's an unhealthy Ni-LIE that is letting hisSpot on.
Most LIEs need to learn that they need to take more care of their health the hard way.
With LSx, it comes way more naturally.
According to Reinin, SLE are much more likely to be workaholics than other types
Source is Reinin, like i said. Here is a quote from what he has written on SLE's SE:
"Function #1- objective sensing (Se): the principle of existence: “I am active, therefore I exist”. His life’s principles are constancy of the external form, confidence in his appearance and actions. Those who criticize SLE's actions may experience his aggression.
They are workaholics in the full sense of the word. A Zhukov just can’t sit still. They are active even when they should be still in the given circumstances. Socionists have a joke: "Can a Zhukov be quiet for 10 minutes in a company of friends? If he is quiet, then he is either mute, sick, or has passed away…"
A working Zhukov gives all of himself to a business never sparing his energy. It is an authoritative, strong-willed type, able to make others submit; also he can obey when working in rigid structures (army service, etc.). The habit of taking responsibility upon themselves makes them irreplaceable middle-level managers. However, they rarely make it to the top due to their excessive straightforwardness. But notice, that just like a Don Quixote, they (Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher) step forward during the periods of real danger in the history of humanity. "
Somehow I could have sworn you said Gulenko but I guess not. ö_ö
Fair enough... Though here is the potentiality of taking a translation too literally very high. Yes, EP types are known for being ADHD-like, not being able to sit still long, etc. What he describes as "workaholic" rather refers to the fact that Se leads need to "keep moving", which may or may not make them work more. It really depends. Moving more does not automatically mean that the person will work more, though adding the two together does make sense.
This still rather supports the view that LSE is more of a workaholic that actually works more and gets results and things done, for they are not only 4D Se and Te, but also EJ temperament. They are better at pulling through things, going through procedures, being responsible, and so forth. EPs are wild-cards, more unpredictable, and hence more unreliable in a way. EJ temperament does best at the workplace for those reasons.
I watched that yesterday. I really doubt he is burdened. It seems like a PR response. Musk is the kind of person who buys stuff, gets into debt, sells his stuff. He married twice before Grimes and has 6 children, he doesn't come across like someone who likes the simple life. He also tanked Tesla's stock by tweeting that it's not worth its current price. So who knows what is going on with him. He always loses control of any company he is involved with, which is a bit weird.
He's like that kid who got into detention due to getting bullied hard and trying to stand up but failing. It's almost weird as to why he's so unstable. Like dude, if it's really hard just hand it to someone else.
LSI-Se, it's funny when people call him erratic and strange when pretty much everything he does makes sense to me instinctively. There's plenty of good points that don't need repeating and a zillion anecdotes that I don't bother digging up for links but suffice to say a few things:
I don't understand how people can watch his interviews and think he uses Je instead of Ji. Also, it seems like typing him NT is just your typical MBTI "only intuitives can be smart and deep" bullshit. He's not really a visionary, but the Ni HA is strong. He's very good at making things happen and making sure it's done exactly like he wants, habitually using threats, ultimatums and prompt elimination of dissenters and traitors. Many micromanaged small design details in his cars are good examples of LSI controlling behavior and purity-seeking as well. The "ILE mask" is a pretty good explanation of the "inventor" behavior (actually effectively combining and improving existing good ideas and work of others), it's actually what I tend to do as well, it's a way of dealing with the Ne PoLR. But in the end, Se is still the ego function.
Why u gotta act like cliché Se ego all the time. I doubt you're actually like this.
Not when I'm kissing your sister, no.
God, you're seriously retarded.
LSI Se
Elon Musk - ESFP - Napoleon
You're judging someone you don't know and their intelligence on a comeback and I'm the retarded person?
LSI-Ti 6w5
How on earth is Tesla a Beta company? Because they forced their doors open early in times or Corona or because they don't hire non US citizens?
How can an LSI be so creative and try to be so funny on Twitter and so on?
What you say about deriving conclusions from historical mistakes and narratives being present in LSI and EIE, I have observed as well in all of them.
My father is LSI. Imagine we are walking on the streets in some far away city and I simply say: "all the people smell around here" and he will start talking about when the showers were invented and why there were cultural issues related to showering at home and also the technology was missing etc for 2 hours. True.
But what Musk does is different. In the definition of Ni is stated that a characteristic is monitoring the past events in a dynamic manner and trying to predict or conclude "the most prominent possible future scenarios" from it.
Similar to Machine Learning in Data Science.
You have a set of Data. You have machine learning algorithms (say decision making mechanisms for humans which have developed over time) and based on these 2 you actually make predictions for the future in a constant manner and that is usually the prominent function of Ni.
The difference is Ti is static and only offers a reason or a list of reasons for a phenomenon and the focus is not on predicting the future like Musk has. Musk is definitely strong in Ni.
Your understanding of LSI seems superficial at best. Unlike Fe valuers, Te leads don't know how to be funny except by accident.
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