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    Default LSEs and standing up for yourself

    This seems to come up often in my conversations with LSEs- the LSE seems concerned that I am not standing up for myself and offers advice on what is fair.
    I am wondering where this comes from? As an ESE I have the same amount of Se as the LSE, so I don't think it is their Se speaking.
    LSEs seem concerned about balance in relationships and fairness. I will skirt issues occasionally.
    Could this be the LSE's inferior Fi speaking to my Fe?

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    I've never thought an ESE needed to stand up for herself more.
    I've thought so with EIIs, but with them I also see it as my duty to stand on their behalf as their dual.
    And I value humility more than I value standing.

    I wonder whether this could be enneagram-related.

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    I think it might be the Fe- until really pushed I will try to "keep the peace". I pick my battles, because once I say something and I have been seething its like opening up flood gates.

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    it may be just how they give support—being , they are attuned to those matters and have no difficulty with it themselves. personally, when i observe people struggling with matters i feel inclined to offer my advice—it could be similar, whether or not they are accurately perceiving if you need advice or not.

    honestly, i could benefit from that advice... it's anxiety-inducing for me to assert myself or tell someone enough is enough. strong makes me into a doormat, i have a hard time saying "no" even when i really want to be left alone. but LSEs make being assertive seem so easy. i almost get a sense of comfort from being in their presence.
    “As a general rule, people, even the wicked, are much more naïve and simple-hearted than we suppose. And we ourselves are, too.” — Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

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    Um, I think LSE can be aggressive if need be. That is how they protect their dual's interests and take care of matters that require pushiness.
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    Well, LSEs have as their demonstrative function. Of course they can be aggressive when they have to.
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