# Thread: Function +/- signs: which model is correct?

1. ## Function +/- signs: which model is correct?

I've seen a couple of different models for functions of signs and am wondering which model you think is more 'correct' if either?

Sorry, I don't have the specific names for these 'models.'

Model 1:

Signs 1.jpg

Model 2:

Signs 2.png

2. It is an eternal swim in the greyland of overlaps. What I gathered earlier is ILI who been Ni- and Se+ which kind of work so that it use Ni to the bone and Se is the flesh. Duals share the same spins, at least in lead and suggestive. IEI is the opposite spin from ILI.

3. Is there a difference?

4. I don't see a difference between the Models themselves.
They order the functions a bit differently, but signs-wise they are the same.

I have looked a bit closer at them, and I believe both are half-wrong actually, haha.

Personally, I go by the signs Gulenko assigns to the IE.

For example, he says IEI has got: +Ni, +Fe, -Ti, -Se etc.
In the models above, it says for IEI: -Ni, +Fe, -Ti, +Se .

As far as I know, there are two different ideas on +/- in Socionics. I cannot remember which is which,
but it seems like those models represent the first idea, and Gulenko's take on it represents the second idea.

Having read Gulenko's work on it, and connected the dots to real-life people (including myself ),
I find Gulenko's take accurate and more valuable.

Gulenko +:- functions.jpg

5. Originally Posted by SisOfNight
As far as I know, there are two different ideas on +/- in Socionics.
The only idea Jung's typology and Socionics has - no difference between those + and -. The models above is external and unbased hypothesis.

I find Gulenko's take accurate and more valuable.
There are a lot of ones who find wrong even own types, not just tiny hypothetical functions variations.

6. Personally, this is my point of view:

Alpha: +(Ne/Si, Te/Fi), -(Se/Ni, Fe/Ti)
Beta: +(Ne/Si, Fe/Ti), -(Se/Ni, Te/Fe)
Gamma: +(Se/Ni, Fe/Ti), -(Ne/Si, Te/Fi)
Delta:+(Se/Ni, Te/Fe), -(Ne/Si, Fe/Ti)

7. Gulenko refers to those signs as representing something to public that trumps over quadra values momentarily or just overall way to function?

8. I prefer the model with the minus sign corresponding to the aristocratic quadras valued perception elements, and the democratic quadras valued judgement elements.