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    Germany is the six of all sixes. You'd think we're ones but that's just a fix. The truth is: Here, people even manage to criticize criticism and cause panic over it, it's incredible. Not that I myself am criticizing the criticism in my country, that would be straight-up betrayal.

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    Heroism is weakness.

    I'm 6.

    Hello.

    Dostoievsky was the most representative of all 6. Work on faith, do I beleive, don't I ? Idiot thinking "super important work is necessarely 4" think he's a 4. His strength was his ability to please idiot. They will probably end to stop putting him on pedestal just because he's not like them. Idiot beta. When Freud was trendish, he would have been typed a 4. Now that he's useless, he's a 6. (freud : 6-4-1 imo)

    I agree with Germany, this is a 6 empowering culture. Simple, rationnal, efficient, seemingly permanent society management, no big change, only small step to small step. Merkel is 1 (ESTJ normalizing) or at least play very well the role. I would love to work in Germany, infinite life.


    Seriously, any take on "six are weak" ? I would like to listen to that ? I just read a thread about that at Perc, I think that in reality it's not a problem of 6 since they aren't into the power triad : this is just the beginning of some neurosis due to the "comparison with other" : six will compare themself with other, what they have, don't have, can't really pinpoint why they feel bad about their life, then they end to read post like that, wich say that they are weak. Then you have reaction wich is from utter imbecility like in the Perc thread, 6 defending themself, trying to find what is strong in them in the convenient cultural way, wich generally end with ultra valuing courage the wrong stuff, then it become only a cultural standard not necesseraly backed with act. For me, The take of 5 on life is even more idiot than 6, since they can be Se POLR and trying to be napoleon (on the premise socionic type are linked to enneagram, wich is, imo). The most idiot 5 Se polr end in depression bc they are aware logic is not something wich can make you napoleon tomorrow (depression is idiocy). Damn I can't be serious today.

    In all, I'm sorry to write all this but I can't stand when 6 (and so myself) want to defend themself as if they was strong and stuff : this is typically what lead to massacre in term of personality, relationship. For a 6 who have a problem with personnal power, I would like to invite them to reflect on their goal methodically : firstly, 6 goal generally have nothing to do with power, we have often the idea that we don't need this kind of stuff for meeting our goal. But, yes, as a 6 we have a need of power for accomplishing some of our goal. It's impossible without it because we are in a complex world, where there is unmet need, where there is various kind of people, where we aren't like if we was a small child with a mother doing everything for us. I say that because I would like to stop this junk phoniness some 6 have when they want to be seen as more powerfull than they are. The goal is to use power methodologically for yourself, for your goal and goal of other, but not trying to appear something you are not or defending yourself to death that "you are strong". This neurosis never existed in the first time, it's just you at the end admitting with the wrong word your weakness.

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    blah blah blah.

    I wanna ask too, do some six have a problem with the relationship beetween act and moral self righteousness or it's just me ? This is problematic for me and I'm annoyed with that. Take of other ppl could help, thx

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    649, cant tell if sp/so or so/sx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachne View Post
    649, cant tell if sp/so or so/sx
    The tritype of "triple doubt," the "introverted 6"...? That seems unlikely. 6 core I can see easily, but 4 fix I question heavily.

    Something about her reminds me of Milla Jovovich (possibly both of em being positive 9-fixed 6w7 SEE's).
    6 Sp/Sx

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    One-to-one


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    this is something like 6w5 sp/so - population control and engineering conspiracy theories

    "mind control cyber cages" spooky stuff


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    6w5



    I don't like guessing games
    Or when I feel things
    Before I know the feelings
    How am I supposed to operate
    If I'm just tossed around by fate?
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    Just watched that a few days ago @Viktor. Good example.

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     




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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachne View Post
    649, cant tell if sp/so or so/sx
    She does seem e6w7, and SEE, too, probably. I like her furniture and her use of space.

    She has another video called "It's Over", in which she agonizes about increasingly unlikely disasters. I had no idea that people worried like that.

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    Feat. E4


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    Tell me what if I'm bound for disaster?
    What if I fall off the cliff?
    Will I ever just learn how to live
    and not wonder what if?
    What if?
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    Oh, mirror in the sky
    What is love?
    Can the child within my heart rise above
    Can I sail through the changing ocean tides
    Can I handle the seasons of my life

    Well, I've been afraid of changin'
    'Cause I built my life around you
    But time makes you bolder
    Children get older
    I'm getting older too


    can I do this or that/am I strong enough for this/can I handle this=6

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    Disintegration to 3





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    a 6 supervising unhealthy 3s


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    Awesome description I just came across today that mentions things I haven't seen elsewhere

    http://enneagramsubtypes.weebly.com/6-wings.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    Awesome description I just came across today that mentions things I haven't seen elsewhere

    http://enneagramsubtypes.weebly.com/6-wings.html
    I feel vaguely infantilized by the 6w7 description, but it's pretty much all true...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellafera View Post
    I feel vaguely infantilized by the 6w7 description, but it's pretty much all true...
    It’s a really accurate description of an ESI-Se whom I know and really like. It saddens me a bit because it implies that she won’t settle down. With me.

    You’d think that LIE-ESI and 8w7 - 6w7 would be great, and to be honest, the chemistry is deep and wide. I actually told her she’s just about perfect. But she’s like an easily spooked horse, no matter how solid I am.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    It’s a really accurate description of an ESI-Se whom I know and really like. It saddens me a bit because it implies that she won’t settle down. With me.

    You’d think that LIE-ESI and 8w7 - 6w7 would be great, and to be honest, the chemistry is deep and wide. I actually told her she’s just about perfect. But she’s like an easily spooked horse, no matter how solid I am.

    Something I've noticed is that my 6 tendencies directly correlate with my overall level of self-confidence. If I feel overall good about things, the 6w7 spookedness drops considerably. Meanwhile, if my sense of self/my positive self-identity is threatened, it flares up considerably. If someone displays a lot of visible 6w7 behavior, it may well be a manifestation of other problems in their life. Anger, regret, sadness--6s convert most of these emotions into anxiety. I'm not mad, I'm extremely frustrated and worried that someone's going to continue with their incredibly destructive behavior and the consequences therein oh wait I am mad. I don't feel guilty, I feel anxious that I will continue making poor decisions. I'm not sad, I'm worried I won't be happy again.

    I think what 6w7s need the most is to feel like they are capable of handling the negative consequences of what life throws at them. 6s assume that they can't do that, hence anxiety. Promote the 6's intrinsic strength: "The worst case scenario happens? You can handle it. You're smart and you can figure things out". Provide evidence. Walk them through solutions to the "what if" rather than saying the "what if" won't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellafera View Post
    Something I've noticed is that my 6 tendencies directly correlate with my overall level of self-confidence. If I feel overall good about things, the 6w7 spookedness drops considerably. Meanwhile, if my sense of self/my positive self-identity is threatened, it flares up considerably. If someone displays a lot of visible 6w7 behavior, it may well be a manifestation of other problems in their life. Anger, regret, sadness--6s convert most of these emotions into anxiety. I'm not mad, I'm extremely frustrated and worried that someone's going to continue with their incredibly destructive behavior and the consequences therein oh wait I am mad. I don't feel guilty, I feel anxious that I will continue making poor decisions. I'm not sad, I'm worried I won't be happy again.

    I think what 6w7s need the most is to feel like they are capable of handling the negative consequences of what life throws at them. 6s assume that they can't do that, hence anxiety. Promote the 6's intrinsic strength: "The worst case scenario happens? You can handle it. You're smart and you can figure things out". Provide evidence. Walk them through solutions to the "what if" rather than saying the "what if" won't happen.
    @Stellafera, Thank you very much for writing that.

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    Default Phobic 6 (fix) moving to 9

    Quoting a woman I know of:

    I know the importance of feeling your feelings & they dissipate when they're ready & also to have no resistance. Today I implemented not having resistance & it was great. Yesterday I let my anxiety about going to the doctor get the better of me. Recently I've had a big anxiety fear about getting a pap (haven't had one since January 2016 after my gyno retired) because it seems everywhere I go all I hear is cancer cancer cancer. I feel like I can't watch TV without seeing the cervical cancer commercial. My paranoia wasn't about HPV since I know most people have it, it was because 5 years ago I had a pre-cancerous lesion & had the laser surgery....my paps were fine after that but lately I've been feeling terrified & paranoid that it may have come back while I haven't had a pap in 2 & a half years. When I think or hear about medical issues of that nature, I get extremely light-headed, have shortness of breath & almost collapse. I have always been this way. When I was younger in health class, hearing about medical issues in detail made me white as a sheet, my ears ringing, & about to pass out. It's not easy for me, it's a big anxiety trigger. But this morning, after having felt all my feelings the night before, I felt totally different. I made the appointment this morning. My appointment is first thing in the morning just how I wanted so that I wouldn't have to wait all day, July 14th. I discovered that my fear was actually calling to make an appointment!!After doing so, I no longer felt the anxiety about it. I love how having no resistance helped me to follow through with it when I didn't know how I was going to get to that point. I encourage anyone going through any sort of emotional difficulty, especially anxiety, to fully surrender to it & practice having no resistance. It works!
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    Type 6's anxiety can attach to anything. Phobic 6s can be afraid of anything. Imagine the most laughable thing, some phobic 6 out there is phobic of it.

    In contrast, the anxiety of 5 is focused on: not having enough knowledge or expertise to deal with the world; being intruded upon; having no space or time for themselves, etc.
    And the anxiety of 7 is focused on: running out of options, possibilities; experiencing pain and feelings of loss; loss of (perceived) freedom, etc.

    But with 6, their fear and anxiety is much more far-reaching and way less specific.
    So if you suffer from generalized anxiety (disorder), you are probably 6 core or fix.

    Most phobias are unhealthy 6 (fix) af.
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    Unhealthy 6: "The world is out to get me." Paranoia. Hyper-vigilance. Focus on rapid mobilization, if necessary. "Caught in a trap." Feeling persecuted. Preparation for possible attacks and catastrophes. Imagining the worst-case scenarios. Scary Kopfkino in overdrive. Friends turn into potential foes. "No one can be trusted." Counterphobic: lashes out. Phobic: lashes in.
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    Quoting another woman with a phobic 6 fix (could be core and Sx first):

    FEAR!!! Today I realized how much fear is running my life. Fear of the unknown, fear of being hurt, fear of truly being seen, heard and understood. Fear or rejection, fear of abandonment, fear of actually getting what I want. Fear of making the same mistakes over again, fear of ignoring the red flags AGAIN. Fear of mistaking attachment for true connection. As a result of this fear, I cope with it by constantly looking backwards. It’s safe, it’s known, it’s become more comfortable for me to obsess and long over something that happened vs being excited about what could happen next. Fear is keeping me stuck and frankly, it’s kicking my ass!!! It’s keeping me paralyzed in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post

    Most phobias are unhealthy 6 (fix) af.
    Eh, no.

    1) Any type can have their phobias (I have phobias of bees, wasps, needles etc)

    2) Phobias are not "unhealthy" 6. People at average and even healthy levels can still have their phobias; what matters is the intensity and preoccupation with instead.

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