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    Based on the interview I would say ENTp.

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    I saw him on Howard Stern with a rabid fan. He was as diplomatic as could possibly be expected. So I say infp. Too wild to be a j!
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    Too wild to be a j!
    Actually, that is related to . Being crazy and eccentric is mostly about Extroverted Ethics. ESFj and ISFp are masters at this.

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    I have found most musicians to be introverted . . . they let their wild side out through music!
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    http://www.socionics.com/vi/vi.htm

    Looks exactly like the second INTP with dark hair and semi puckered lips in that thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido
    Too wild to be a j!
    Actually, that is related to . Being crazy and eccentric is mostly about Extroverted Ethics. ESFj and ISFp are masters at this.
    Really? I would have thought being crazy and eccentric has to do with being crazy and eccentric. :wink: Although I admit that one ENFj woman I know is great at this. And consider this from socionics.com about INFps:

    "theyre apearnce may seem kind of foppish".

    So maybe your right about him having in the ego block.

    The again the same is true for ENFps, from what Ive noticed, So I dont know. You have a good point, but Im not sure if I agree or not.

    However I dont think hes a sensing type. The face is too elongated to be sensing, at least from what I know about VI. Can anyone correct me if Im wrong?

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    Lots of drugs (weak Si)
    Lots of obscure beliefs (Strong Ni)

    Anything else? My guess would be INTp. I was just listening to an interview with him on a radio show, and his speech pattern and humor is REALLY similar to my INTp brother-in-law.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    He's even got the "victimized" look.

    Skinny as hell, too. 6'1", 140...yeesh.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Gilligan what about the parents? And I don't agree with INTP, he is not theoretical, nor religious
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
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    He's even got the "victimized" look.

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    Not as a child
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    And I don't agree with INTP, he is not theoretical, nor religious
    Is this a joke? He has really strong "religious" convictions about belief in self and "being your own god," is a priest in the Church of Satan, and claims to be influences by the philosophy of Anton LaVey (think Ayn Rand, Alastor Crowley). You could probably find a few chapters of his book, "Long, Hard Road Out of Hell" online if you looked.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Not as a child
    It's also a glamour shot, and he's smiling. I don't know anyone who looks victimized (even INTps) when they're smiling.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I heard he is a staunch conservative if that helps. Maybe he is an INTJ, though then he wouldn't be joining a satanic religion. I would say INFP or INFJ, I think he is a feeler, it's just so hard to tell behind his public image.
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    You want my guess? ISFJ
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    Even with all the drugs? He's about as non-traditional as they come, too...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Conservative? That fits with ISFJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    I heard he is a staunch conservative if that helps. Maybe he is an INTJ, though then he wouldn't be joining a satanic religion. I would say INFP or INFJ, I think he is a feeler, it's just so hard to tell behind his public image.
    I meant this
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    Oh.

    He's not a traditional conservative. More along the lines of Ayn Rand, who tends to appeal to the NT crowd.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Mr Cone has said one smart thing that I know of: Rand is ISTJ. And so is Mansoson's father I believe.
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    Mr. Cone has said plenty of other smart things. And Rand could very easily be ISTj (albeit one who wants to be an ENTp).

    I can see ISTj for the dad. However, I'm stuck on INTp for Manson. Religious, obscure beliefs, victimized eyes...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Gilligan what about the parents? And I don't agree with INTP, he is not theoretical, nor religious
    I'm anti religion, pro ethics, athough I am fascinated by religion. Donít fucking stereotype types. Actually I know two other INTps, only one claims a religion.

    Having said that I donít think Manson is INTp.

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    I've always thought of him as an INTj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sycophant
    Having said that I donít think Manson is INTp.
    Any reason? What would you propose that he is?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    ENTp!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Mr Cone has said one smart thing that I know of: Rand is ISTJ. And so is Mansoson's father I believe.
    I mean Cone has said at least one thing that I am sure of, he might have said many more of course, but I would not be sure. Its' a compliment!
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    I don't think INTj. I can't see the polr. Maybe polr?

    and i guess conservative and traditional is the same thing, dudes =p

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    NO, NO, NO!.

    Definitely not an INTJ. I know one, and they are just not likely to go all out crazy with makeup, and persona like this guy. They're more formal, and, just ... no.

    If anything, I'd say an INxP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
    NO, NO, NO!.

    Definitely not an INTJ. I know one, and they are just not likely to go all out crazy with makeup, and persona like this guy. They're more formal, and, just ... no.

    If anything, I'd say an INxP.

    Yeah, Manson......... INTj............. no.




    He seems like a cool guy and all, when he's doing his calm interviews.
    I don't know that an INTj would really find life as a "musician" to be interesting enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    Lots of drugs (weak Si)
    Lots of obscure beliefs (Strong Ni)

    Anything else? My guess would be INTp. I was just listening to an interview with him on a radio show, and his speech pattern and humor is REALLY similar to my INTp brother-in-law.


    Yeah, I could see that too
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    He's not an Alpha; he's far too concerned with getting his message out there. Having his music heard is the means to an end for him. He wants to deliver the message of disbelief in popular culture and "sheep" Christianity that's so prevalent; it seems that making "good" music is a secondary priority. In the interview, when the host remarks on all the negative attention he's getting, Brian says "Well, at least they're talking about me." An Alpha would be more likely to say "I know, and I wanna dispel all these rumors so the fucking pricks will leave me alone for two seconds."
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I think he's intp. I saw him once on Howard Stern; he was quite sensitive and diplomatic with an enthusiastic fan. Yet I still think he's hard on the inside, like intp's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    He's not an Alpha; he's far too concerned with getting his message out there. Having his music heard is the means to an end for him. He wants to deliver the message of disbelief in popular culture and "sheep" Christianity that's so prevalent; it seems that making "good" music is a secondary priority. In the interview, when the host remarks on all the negative attention he's getting, Brian says "Well, at least they're talking about me." An Alpha would be more likely to say "I know, and I wanna dispel all these rumors so the fucking pricks will leave me alone for two seconds."
    OK Gilligan I checked it and read a few quotes of his and they reminded me of some crap I heard from an INTP teacher I had, something about the evolution taking care of all the stupid people. So I will agree with you, but he is very outlandinsh for and INTP, sucking dicks on stage and stuff
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    I don't really like his artistic production or his behaviour, but he seems very EIE to me...

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    Yeah, I agree.

    Kristiina won't be happy -- she seems to be tired of seeing pop singers typed as EIEs.

    Let's make out our own rock band, Kristiina, and play in the London underground -- we'll starve, but it will have been for something we believe in.
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    lol, those subway musicians do pretty well, actually. Even just a $10 note every hour is above minimum wage, and these people get way more than that once they get a crowd around them at midday.
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    That's a hard life if you aren't talented. I think you could make money if get one of your friends to put on boxing gloves and then you beat the shit out of eachother in the subway. i bet you would make more than minimum wage before you get arrested or killed or whatever.

    manson seems EIE. I like him. He is very calm and reasonable despite what is typically derived from his persona and appearance.
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    Beta NF, at least. A respectable guy for sure, if you actually know anything about him or have seen/heard him speak.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly




    Beta NF, at least. A respectable guy for sure, if you actually know anything about him or have seen/heard him speak.
    Or could he be IEI, but he's more likely to be EIE, because Judgers are, on average, more verbally expressive than Percievers.

    MM seems to resemble Hitler (which is himself EIE) - very expressive and idealistic, but quite passive, doesn't seem "extroverted" outside sociability and expressiveness. EIE is the "extrovert" version of IEI.

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    He looks scary.

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